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HeavyDuty
10-01-2020, 07:53 AM
Before you get carried away, Agency testing on the 43X/48 indicates they are not as reliable as service size guns and that changing the equation via mag extensions or hanging lights / lasers off the gun degrades reliability even further. The one large agency I'm aware of which finally authorized the 43X is specifically prohibiting use of WML and mag extensions on them due to reliability concerns.
Interesting - I wonder if they’ve seen a difference between the 43X and the 48. I’m personally not a fan of mag extensions with the exception of Glock’s +2 for the full sized 9s, but reliability a WML is something that they need to figure out. I wonder if the added mass on the dust cover causes it to flex under recoil and drag on the slide?
Xhado
10-01-2020, 08:04 AM
If you have a TLR7 and a 3D printer you can run it on your 43X/48 MOS today
https://youtu.be/25x4EN7ThuM
https://grabcad.com/library/tlr7-adapter-key-1
I don't believe they've tested the railed version or the new lights, FWIW.
They also prohibit the use of the G2 ammunition in the 43/43X, and only authorize the Critical Duty.
I was told they were tested - but not approved. My agency has tested the rail models. We just updated our authorized list and the 43x/48 was not on it. In fact we stopped approving new G43s. Current 43s are grandfathered. No mas.
Interesting - I wonder if they’ve seen a difference between the 43X and the 48. I’m personally not a fan of mag extensions with the exception of Glock’s +2 for the full sized 9s, but reliability a WML is something that they need to figure out. I wonder if the added mass on the dust cover causes it to flex under recoil and drag on the slide?
The slimline guns are not intended to be replacements for a full-size gun for fighting/service use.
There is no free lunch, when you jam five extra rounds in the magazine or hang a light off the gun you are changing factors in the cycle of operation.
Not to mention that the slimline guns are less forgiving of grip issues and therefore more difficult to shoot well.
They have a roll to fill and they do that role reasonably well. But a G 48 is not a G 19.
HeavyDuty
10-01-2020, 03:20 PM
The slimline guns are not intended to be replacements for a full-size gun for fighting/service use.
There is no free lunch, when you jam five extra rounds in the magazine or hang a light off the gun you are changing factors in the cycle of operation.
Not to mention that the slimline guns are less forgiving of grip issues and therefore more difficult to shoot well.
They have a roll to fill and they do that role reasonably well. But a G 48 is not a G 19.
See, I’m not sure I can accept that. It’s a 19 sized weapon, just thinner. Assuming the mag engineering is solid, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to be made to run as well as a 19. Yes, I agree with this when it comes to the 43 and 43X due to the shorter barrel.
TC215
10-01-2020, 03:41 PM
I was told they were tested - but not approved. My agency has tested the rail models. We just updated our authorized list and the 43x/48 was not on it. In fact we stopped approving new G43s. Current 43s are grandfathered. No mas.
The word from DSU at the PFI conference regarding the lights:
"No lights are approved for the G43s or G3Xs, and may not be used with them in place. Glock knows and informed DSU that the pistols will not function to DSU standards with weapon lights in place."
I assume they're talking about something like a TLR-6. It also leads me to believe they weren't tested, and that DSU is just relying on info from Glock.
See, I’m not sure I can accept that. It’s a 19 sized weapon, just thinner. Assuming the mag engineering is solid, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to be made to run as well as a 19. Yes, I agree with this when it comes to the 43 and 43X due to the shorter barrel.
Yes, it's thinner, meaning less mass to function with the same round as a 19. Then start hanging things off it and change the mass and dynamics of the frame flex. We've seen that movie before with G22s.
These are trade off made to optimize it for it's intended purpose. You can tow a trailer with a Honda Fit but it's sub optimal.
Even if you get it to run as well as a 19 it's still going to be harder to shoot as well unless you have small to extra small hands.
DaBigBR
10-02-2020, 04:21 AM
See, I’m not sure I can accept that. It’s a 19 sized weapon, just thinner. Assuming the mag engineering is solid, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to be made to run as well as a 19. Yes, I agree with this when it comes to the 43 and 43X due to the shorter barrel.
I don't mean to be brash, but can't accept it based on what? Do you have an engineering background? There are a lot of things that one would think "they would be able to do", that just aren't.
HeavyDuty
10-02-2020, 08:08 AM
I don't mean to be brash, but can't accept it based on what? Do you have an engineering background? There are a lot of things that one would think "they would be able to do", that just aren't.
Have other manufacturers ever had difficulty getting lower mass, full or mid size but thin 9mms to run reliability? Example - my 3913 has never bobbled once in almost 30 years. And I’m an analyst.
Do you have information that would counter that overall industry experience with slimline 9s?
DaBigBR
10-02-2020, 04:52 PM
I don't know that comparing that a 3913 to a G48 makes a whole lot of sense. By that standard, the S&W Sigma or Remington R51 are proof that you can mess up a full-size or compact 9mm, but nobody is applying either to Glock specifically or pistols as a whole. Glock itself had trouble getting the RSA right on the 9mm Gen 4s and keeping Gen 3 .40s running reliably with many weapon lights. Here you have a gun with a new magazine design for Glock that is really a scaled up 43 as opposed to a scaled down 19.
Have other manufacturers ever had difficulty getting lower mass, full or mid size but thin 9mms to run reliability? Example - my 3913 has never bobbled once in almost 30 years. And I’m an analyst.
Do you have information that would counter that overall industry experience with slimline 9s?
Metal frame guns vs polymer frame guns is an apples to oranges comparison.
I’ve not heard of any metal frame service sized guns having malfunctions induced by WMLs but it is a known issue with certain Glocks.
Both metal frame and and polymer frame guns have inherent differences, strengths and weaknesses.
Another potential issue when comparing G19 to G48 is that the slide cycle of the G48 is significantly shorter. The G48, despite having a barrel length similar to the G19, uses the same recoil spring as the G43x, similar to the 34 vs 17. My guess is the short cycle length/time makes for very narrow margins of error for function as compared to a true midsize like the 19.
Wonder9
10-02-2020, 10:06 PM
What deficiencies showed up in testing the 43x/48 compared to the 19 in testing asides the extra recoil/snappiness?
Shellback
10-03-2020, 02:34 PM
Streamlight’s offering. I think it’s more appealing than the Surefire light.
https://i.imgur.com/2MTFVUi.jpg
Streamlight's response to my inquiry: This light is currently in its early stages of development. Please check back early next year for more information.
If you have a TLR7 and a 3D printer you can run it on your 43X/48 MOS today
https://youtu.be/25x4EN7ThuM
https://grabcad.com/library/tlr7-adapter-key-1
You can PUT a light on your 43X/48 whether it will run is another story.
What deficiencies showed up in testing the 43x/48 compared to the 19 in testing asides the extra recoil/snappiness?
The ones discussed in the last several pages of this thread.....
Wonder9
10-03-2020, 08:36 PM
The ones discussed in the last several pages of this thread.....
"Agency testing on the 43X/48 indicates they are not as reliable as service size guns."
The is what interests me, especially in a departmental setting. How did your department quantify the slimlines are not as reliable as the legacy Glocks?
Is it just the impact of mounted accessories or was there significant issues in stock form, especially since they were not approved?
"Agency testing on the 43X/48 indicates they are not as reliable as service size guns."
The is what interests me, especially in a departmental setting. How did your department quantify the slimlines are not as reliable as the legacy Glocks?
Is it just the impact of mounted accessories or was there significant issues in stock form, especially since they were not approved?
Both.
It’s not “legacy” Glocks it’s G43 pattern vs full size Glocks.
The 43/43x/48 all use the 43 recoil system. As mentioned that creates a narrow window for function and timing which apparently doesn’t do well with +p duty ammo like our 124 +p gold dot or 147 grain ammo like the FBI’s G2 Gold dot. The issues with the G43 system not liking +p have been well documented private users.
The G48 looks like a slimline G19 but it’s not, it really analogous to the G47 except with the G43 recoil system instead of a G19 system.
Adding lights and/or magazine extensions made the issues worse. Similar to the issues found in Gen 3 Glock .40s with WML.
The full details are covered by NDA.
The G 43 based guns are meant to be low profile concealed carry guns. Give them ammo they like and don’t try to make it into a service pistol and it will do its original job OK.
Guns are bullet launchers, The proper way to select a duty weapon is to pick a load or loads you want to launch and then look for guns that run those loads reliably. From an agency point of view if a gun doesn’t work with our chosen duty ammo then we find another gun.
HeavyDuty
10-03-2020, 09:06 PM
Metal frame guns vs polymer frame guns is an apples to oranges comparison.
I’ve not heard of any metal frame service sized guns having malfunctions induced by WMLs but it is a known issue with certain Glocks.
Both metal frame and and polymer frame guns have inherent differences, strengths and weaknesses.
My statement was more about your original comment that the slimlines weren’t as reliable as doublestack Glocks, not the issues caused by hanging WMLs off the dustcover. I’ve always been hesitant to use WMLs for that very reason.
Edit - you posted while I was composing addressing this in more depth. Thanks!
Another potential issue when comparing G19 to G48 is that the slide cycle of the G48 is significantly shorter. The G48, despite having a barrel length similar to the G19, uses the same recoil spring as the G43x, similar to the 34 vs 17. My guess is the short cycle length/time makes for very narrow margins of error for function as compared to a true midsize like the 19.
This is the kind of data that makes sense to me - I never compared the slimline cycle against a 19.
My statement was more about your original comment that the slimlines weren’t as reliable as doublestack Glocks, not the issues caused by hanging WMLs off the dustcover. I’ve always been hesitant to use WMLs for that very reason.
Edit - you posted while I was composing addressing this in more depth. Thanks!
This is the kind of data that makes sense to me - I never compared the slimline cycle against a 19.
Think of a G43 recoil system as a an Officers length 1911 recoil system vs a 5' or commander recoil system. The 48 is not a commander, it's a commander with an Officers ACP recoil system.
Colt eventually made a better officers length system in the Defender but it will never be 5' .45 1911 reliable. Nor is it intended to be.
What would it take for Glock to redesign the 48 with a 19 length RSA?
Both.
It’s not “legacy” Glocks it’s G43 pattern vs full size Glocks.
The 43/43x/48 all use the 43 recoil system. As mentioned that creates a narrow window for function and timing which apparently doesn’t do well with +p duty ammo like our 124 +p gold dot or 147 grain ammo like the FBI’s G2 Gold dot. The issues with the G43 system not liking +p have been well documented private users.
The G48 looks like a slimline G19 but it’s not, it really analogous to the G47 except with the G43 recoil system instead of a G19 system.
Adding lights and/or magazine extensions made the issues worse. Similar to the issues found in Gen 3 Glock .40s with WML.
The full details are covered by NDA.
The G 43 based guns are meant to be low profile concealed carry guns. Give them ammo they like and don’t try to make it into a service pistol and it will do its original job OK.
Guns are bullet launchers, The proper way to select a duty weapon is to pick a load or loads you want to launch and then look for guns that run those loads reliably. From an agency point of view if a gun doesn’t work with our chosen duty ammo then we find another gun.Reasons why I come to PistolForum.
What would it take for Glock to redesign the 48 with a 19 length RSA?
A big enough order.
The issue is the slimline guns are harder to shoot well so there is little incentive for institutions to dump G19/45/17 for G48s.
Wondering Beard
10-04-2020, 10:19 AM
Both.
It’s not “legacy” Glocks it’s G43 pattern vs full size Glocks.
The 43/43x/48 all use the 43 recoil system. As mentioned that creates a narrow window for function and timing which apparently doesn’t do well with +p duty ammo like our 124 +p gold dot or 147 grain ammo like the FBI’s G2 Gold dot. The issues with the G43 system not liking +p have been well documented private users.
Slight thread drift:
Do we have good documentation on what works well in the G48/43x/43?
Slight thread drift:
Do we have good documentation on what works well in the G48/43x/43?
Best source would be prior G43 threads here.
I would probably start with standard velocity 124 grain HST, gold dot or 124/135 critical duty.
pastaslinger
10-04-2020, 11:21 AM
For those of you with the G43x or G48 mos versions, with your current experience would you in retrospect have stuck with the full size 9mm guns or are you happy with the switch? I am contemplating a G48 mos with a holosun dot and possibly a light when the streamlight comes out, versus getting a gen 5 17/34 mos and putting a holosun dot on it with a x300u I already have. I've also thought of the p365 xl for the same kind of setup but had concerns about some reliability reports which actually prompted me to consider the G48, but it sounds like there's still potential for issues.
HeavyDuty
10-04-2020, 11:27 AM
Slight thread drift:
Do we have good documentation on what works well in the G48/43x/43?
Speaking only for function, I have just under 200 rounds of Gold Dot Short Barrel 124g +P through my 43 with zero issues. That’s not a very high count, but I’m not Scrooge McDuck.
Wondering Beard
10-04-2020, 12:02 PM
Best source would be prior G43 threads here.
I would probably start with standard velocity 124 grain HST, gold dot or 124/135 critical duty.
The info is scattered over tens of pages and even then is anecdotal. I was hoping for something more solid which is why I asked.
Still, you're right, regular pressure 9mm in mid to light weight bullets should do the job. I have a vague memory of the 115 gr Gold Dot doing rather well in test media but I can't remember where I got that from.
The info is scattered over tens of pages and even then is anecdotal. I was hoping for something more solid which is why I asked.
Still, you're right, regular pressure 9mm in mid to light weight bullets should do the job. I have a vague memory of the 115 gr Gold Dot doing rather well in test media but I can't remember where I got that from.
Agencies test guns to work with their duty loads not look for ammo that will work in the gun so anecdotes are going to be it. In the short barrel 9mm load thread DocGKR mentioned the 115 grain barnes all copper.
Wondering Beard
10-04-2020, 01:32 PM
Agencies test guns to work with their duty loads not look for ammo that will work in the gun so anecdotes are going to be it. In the short barrel 9mm load thread DocGKR mentioned the 115 grain barnes all copper.
I had forgotten about that load. As I remember it, it's pretty mild, even if it's rated +P.
Slight thread drift:
Do we have good documentation on what works well in the G48/43x/43?
Closest I could find is this discussion on the P365/43 (which might cover the 43X):
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?42443-Defensive-Ammo-Choice-for-Short-Barrel-9mm-(Glock-43-Sig-P365)&highlight=glock
Joe Mac
10-05-2020, 01:35 PM
Slight thread drift:
Do we have good documentation on what works well in the G48/43x/43?
The 'slimline' Glocks are very popular at the agency I recently retired from, and among firearms instructors we put a crapton of 124+P Gold Dot through them with no issues, including testing the 43X as a potential issue gun for detectives, etc.
No problems with 124+P with one exception, and I was the only one who experienced this: I bought a G48 from the first shipment that arrived at our PD range shop, and all three mags had a bizarre habit of failing to feed the last round in the magazine -- only the last round -- which would go nose up into the chamber hood. The feed lips of these three mags measured slightly wider than the other mags we had on hand, and I theorized that in the rush to get these out the door, some of the mags weren't quite right. Our Glock rep replaced my mags, I added 30+ more mags to my stash, and all of them have been 100% through several thousand rounds of 124+P in three different guns (two 43X and the original 48).
These guns continue to be fed mostly 124+P or 124 NATO ball, and work without drama. Now, I'm a large, knuckle-dragging ape and very experienced Glock shooter; the combination might not be ideal for those sensitive to recoil.
Coyote41
10-06-2020, 08:53 AM
Spring was GTG on my problematic G48, but I haven't shot it since glock sent it back to me a 2nd time. I'll take it to the range soon and see how it performs.
Any update? I may have a solution. I recently jumped into the 48 game and have been truing to resolve the weak returning to battery issue on my pistols (sample of 3, my new carry gun my wife’s new carry gun, and a spare). All 3, if you point them up, will not return to battery with the trigger pinned to the rear when slide is released slowly. This isn’t necessarily a problem. This is a clue. The pistol is going into battery more via inertia and not constant spring power. The pistols run, but they’re very much on the razors edge of function.
The power of the RSA is not enough to overcome the mass of the slide AND the striker. This is made worse with an optic. There are two options for more positive feeding. A stronger RSA or a lighter striker spring.
I’ve long been a believer in the 5# striker spring for a variety of reasons. In this case, it pulled through again and was just enough to allow a more positive feeding (non MOS). Remember if you go this route to change the striker spring more frequently.
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Any update? I may have a solution. I recently jumped into the 48 game and have been truing to resolve the weak returning to battery issue on my pistols (sample of 3, my new carry gun my wife’s new carry gun, and a spare). All 3, if you point them up, will not return to battery with the trigger pinned to the rear when slide is released slowly. This isn’t necessarily a problem. This is a clue. The pistol is going into battery more via inertia and not constant spring power. The pistols run, but they’re very much on the razors edge of function.
The power of the RSA is not enough to overcome the mass of the slide AND the striker. This is made worse with an optic. There are two options for more positive feeding. A stronger RSA or a lighter striker spring.
I’ve long been a believer in the 5# striker spring for a variety of reasons. In this case, it pulled through again and was just enough to allow a more positive feeding (non MOS). Remember if you go this route to change the striker spring more frequently.
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Interesting. I wonder, have any other folks besides you and Nephrology been seeing this FTRB?
My sample of one, black non-MOS G48, S/N BPZnxxx, purchased 9/15/20, reliably returns to battery when held vertically with the trigger pinned to the rear and the slide released slowly. I have a scant 120 rounds through it. I use SLIP 2000 EWL, and only mods are an SCD and a Ameriglo 0.180" front sight, with a stock RSA and striker spring (I assume the stock striker spring is a 5.5#?.
Coyote41
10-06-2020, 09:26 AM
Interesting. I wonder, have any other folks besides you and Nephrology been seeing this FTRB?
My sample of one, black non-MOS G48, S/N BPZnxxx, purchased 9/15/20, reliably returns to battery when held vertically with the trigger pinned to the rear and the slide released slowly. I have a scant 120 rounds through it. I use SLIP 2000 EWL, and only mods are an SCD and a Ameriglo 0.180" front sight, with a stock RSA and striker spring (I assume the stock striker spring is a 5.5#?.
Once in battery, with the trigger held to the rear, pull it slightly out if battery and try again. Like I mentioned, this isn’t a function check of the pistol, just an illustration of the weak spring at the end of its travel. My 3 examples all experience this and did before any changing for sights or addition of an SCD. Also using Slip2000 EWL. For the record, the two I’ve fired have all functioned okayish for the little I’ve shot them, 100 rounds each. One, the spare, did have an odd FTFeed of Federal 147 HST that appeared to be a magazine issue. My wife hasn’t gotten around to shooting hers yet.
S/N ranges: BLVP, BPZW, BPZH
Once in battery, with the trigger held to the rear, pull it slightly out if battery and try again. Like I mentioned, this isn’t a function check of the pistol, just an illustration of the weak spring at the end of its travel. My 3 examples all experience this and did before any changing for sights or addition of an SCD. Also using Slip2000 EWL. For the record, the two I’ve fired have all functioned okayish for the little I’ve shot them, 100 rounds each. One, the spare, did have an odd FTFeed of Federal 147 HST that appeared to be a magazine issue. My wife hasn’t gotten around to shooting hers yet.
S/N ranges: BLVP, BPZW, BPZH
Hmmm. The slide works almost perfectly on mine. Just spent 10 minutes attempting to get it to "stick", somewhere near the end of the return to battery. I found that if I held the slide just right, about 2-3 mm before fully returned, what happens is that as the barrel hood finally snaps up and locks, is where there is a slight hang up. Out of maybe 50 attempts, I was able to make it 'hang' right there. But as soon as I moved the gun slightly, the barrel popped up and it went finally all the way. Maybe its related to barrel to slide fitment, and some are tighter than others? I dunno. I do agree that the G48 in particular, using the G43/G43X RSA, on a longer slide and barrel with more mass, might be a bit on the iffy side for Glock. Certainly things would not get better if the gun was caked with carbon, or ammo was on the weak side, or a user did not grip tightly, etc. etc. I may not see that, given I (and I'm sure you do as well) use good quality ammo, clean the gun adequately, and don't limp wrist the grip.
Interesting discussion tho.
HeavyDuty
10-06-2020, 12:37 PM
Interesting. I wonder, have any other folks besides you and Nephrology been seeing this FTRB?
My sample of one, black non-MOS G48, S/N BPZnxxx, purchased 9/15/20, reliably returns to battery when held vertically with the trigger pinned to the rear and the slide released slowly. I have a scant 120 rounds through it. I use SLIP 2000 EWL, and only mods are an SCD and a Ameriglo 0.180" front sight, with a stock RSA and striker spring (I assume the stock striker spring is a 5.5#?.
My 48 suffers this occasional but has been decreasing with use. I have reseated the ejector spring onto the plunger, but haven’t been able to get to the range since. It passes the test reliably, but now I’m tempted to unseat the spring to see if it’s different.
It sure seems like the 48 would benefit from a slightly heavier RSA...
Nephrology
10-07-2020, 03:48 PM
Any update?
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Not yet- been busy. Hoping to hit the range next week, will be sure to bring both 48s.
23JAZ
10-11-2020, 10:55 AM
Looking for a 43X MOS. Anyone know where they’re in-stock?
Looking for a 43X MOS. Anyone know where they’re in-stock?
Me too, and $200/1,000 9mm ammo. :)
Is there a sense the 43X might be more reliable than the 48, as the RSA was designed around that slide length and mass?
ChknLivrNWsky
10-11-2020, 12:54 PM
Me too, and $200/1,000 9mm ammo. :)
Is there a sense the 43X might be more reliable than the 48, as the RSA was designed around that slide length and mass?
I'd like to know this as well, the reliability of the 43X vs the 48 - I know $200/1,000 9 mm doesn't exist.
Joe Mac
10-11-2020, 01:20 PM
Is there a sense the 43X might be more reliable than the 48, as the RSA was designed around that slide length and mass?
I dunno.. Other than the magazine issue I described above, none of my three (two 43X, one 48) have malfunctioned, but I do have a slightly warmer, fuzzier feeling about the 43X for that reason.
I think these guns are just slightly under-sprung in general, and I plan to change the RSA frequently in mine. I know from the Glock folks that the mothership is driven to fits by Americans' predilection for underpowered, mouse-fart 9mm practice ammo. The weakest fodder mine get is 124 Lawman, which is not so feeble as practice ammo goes (124 @ 1075-1100). If my guns malfunction I want to be able to eliminate crap ammo from in my diagnosis.
JBP55
10-11-2020, 07:19 PM
I dunno.. Other than the magazine issue I described above, none of my three (two 43X, one 48) have malfunctioned, but I do have a slightly warmer, fuzzier feeling about the 43X for that reason.
I think these guns are just slightly under-sprung in general, and I plan to change the RSA frequently in mine. I know from the Glock folks that the mothership is driven to fits by Americans' predilection for underpowered, mouse-fart 9mm practice ammo. The weakest fodder mine get is 124 Lawman, which is not so feeble as practice ammo goes (124 @ 1075-1100). If my guns malfunction I want to be able to eliminate crap ammo from in my diagnosis.
The 124gr Lawman runs 1090 FPS and 327 FT LBS Energy.
The 124gr American Eagle runs 1150 FPS and 364 FT LBS Energy.
The 115 Lawman runs 1200 FPS and 368 FT LBS Energy.
Me too, and $200/1,000 9mm ammo. :)
Is there a sense the 43X might be more reliable than the 48, as the RSA was designed around that slide length and mass?
Very small sample of two: When I traded it in, my G43X had 621 rounds, with zero malfunctions. Mix of maybe 90% AE 115 and 10% Federal HST 147. My current G48 just has 120 rounds, but it’s also been trouble free to date.
Dman514
10-13-2020, 03:05 PM
Per an email I received today from Ameriglo they are redesigning the trooper sights for the 43X/48 to work on the MOS models with no overhang. Should be available in about a month.
Shellback
10-17-2020, 09:44 AM
Our local blue label dealer has the standard G48 in stock. I inquired about getting the MOS version and he said he would try.
However, he basically blew off the vet discount offered by Glock, stating that after the discount he only made $40 and he would offer a 5% discount instead.
Anyone know what the blue label price is on the G48? Just curious what the price would be and if it's worth putting up a fight. Thanks!
peterb
10-17-2020, 10:55 AM
Anyone know what the blue label price is on the G48? Just curious what the price would be and if it's worth putting up a fight. Thanks!
http://www.gssfonline.com/gssf_pistol_purchase_program_information.pdf
Shellback
10-17-2020, 11:00 AM
http://www.gssfonline.com/gssf_pistol_purchase_program_information.pdf
Thank you!
WobblyPossum
10-17-2020, 11:09 AM
Our local blue label dealer has the standard G48 in stock. I inquired about getting the MOS version and he said he would try.
However, he basically blew off the vet discount offered by Glock, stating that after the discount he only made $40 and he would offer a 5% discount instead.
Anyone know what the blue label price is on the G48? Just curious what the price would be and if it's worth putting up a fight. Thanks!
I’ve heard of Blue Label dealers trying to pull this crap before. One would think that by agreeing to be part of this program they’re required to participate in whatever promotions Glock offers such as the Salute to Veterans discount.
peterb
10-17-2020, 11:23 AM
Thank you!
I think the GSSF pricing applies to other Blue Label sales, but I’m not 100% sure.
https://us.glock.com/en/buy/blue-label-program
I’ve heard of Blue Label dealers trying to pull this crap before. One would think that by agreeing to be part of this program they’re required to participate in whatever promotions Glock offers such as the Salute to Veterans discount.
Yes, I’ve heard of it before and thinks like that and stripping the third mag out of blue label guns is how dealers lose blue label status.
Hell want a dealer in KS prosecuted for re-labeling blue label guns and selling them at full retail ?
Shellback
10-17-2020, 02:45 PM
I’ve heard of Blue Label dealers trying to pull this crap before. One would think that by agreeing to be part of this program they’re required to participate in whatever promotions Glock offers such as the Salute to Veterans discount.
I'm with you and agree. If you don't want to offer it then don't be recognized as a dealer who participates in those programs.
They are a small mom & pop shop and I get it from a profitability standpoint, but as a consumer, it's not really my problem.
ETA: I did see this on Glock's site. Prices may vary and are not set by GLOCK. Most pricing will be $75-100.00 off the retail price depending on the model. Blue label pricing is only available on black frame pistols.
Our local blue label dealer has the standard G48 in stock. I inquired about getting the MOS version and he said he would try.
However, he basically blew off the vet discount offered by Glock, stating that after the discount he only made $40 and he would offer a 5% discount instead.
Anyone know what the blue label price is on the G48? Just curious what the price would be and if it's worth putting up a fight. Thanks!
I think there is a bit of confusion on these prices. I know I’m not certain exactly how this goes. I “believe” the ‘Blue Label’ aka Law Enforcement number is $358; ref link here:
https://www.gtdist.com/brands/glock/glock-48-black-fxd-5-5lb-blue-label-pricing-fixed-sights.html
As posted, you can also find a ‘GSSF’ price, which is usually a bit higher than the price available to LEO, or $380 in this case. I paid $380 for mine, using my GSSF coupon. I am not familiar with the veteran program.
It’d be great if someone could clear this up as I’m not sure about all this, and have always kinda wondered. Oh and the slimline Glocks all come with 2 mags (mine did anyway) from what Glock told me.
Det1397
10-18-2020, 01:31 PM
The shop that I’m familiar with and associated with here on Long Island is a GLOCK Blue Label dealer and the 43/43X and the 48 price is set at $380. The G42 is a bit less, I think $340. The other GLOCKs to include the Gen5s, MOS, G19X and G45 and others vary.
Interestingly, we have yet to see any MOS Slimlines in the shop. Our BL distributor in NY advises that they have not had any yet...
HeavyDuty
10-23-2020, 10:26 AM
The MOS cut was my main interest in these, not the 10 round capacity or light rail. Mine is probably going to be used like this most of the time once I prove it, which may take awhile with the current ammunition situation:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62157&d=1603466487
CDFIII
11-16-2020, 10:31 AM
Any updates on the mos versions and optic preference's on these? Will standard height sights work with the swamp fox?
HeavyDuty
11-16-2020, 11:29 AM
Any updates on the mos versions and optic preference's on these? Will standard height sights work with the swamp fox?
Following CarlK ‘s lead upthread, at the same time I mounted a Swampfox Sentinel I mounted a set of XS Minimalists that are slightly taller than standard height - they are just tall enough that I can see the entire orange ring on the front sight. I think plain front standard height sights would be very usable with the Swampfox Sentinel. The XS Minimalists are nowhere near the typical mainsail height suppressor sights.
For reference, the XS Minimalist front is about 0.220” tall. My usual Ameriglo Hacks are 0.160”. I rely on the orange ring, and having it cut off would probably drive me nuts so the XS height works well for me in this application.
newyork
12-07-2020, 11:37 AM
I’m selling my 19 to either get a duplicate 48, 43x, 43x/48 mos or a different platform. I’m in NY so I figured IF I lose the 19, it may be good to have a rail elsewhere with the 48 mos.
Anyone try that new Surefire on one?
Is there a path to using an rmr or RMRc on one of these yet?
TC215
12-07-2020, 01:57 PM
I’m selling my 19 to either get a duplicate 48, 43x, 43x/48 mos or a different platform. I’m in NY so I figured IF I lose the 19, it may be good to have a rail elsewhere with the 48 mos.
Anyone try that new Surefire on one?
Is there a path to using an rmr or RMRc on one of these yet?
The new Surefire won’t be out for a couple more months.
newyork
12-07-2020, 02:03 PM
Gotcha thank you!
psalms144.1
12-07-2020, 02:51 PM
The MOS cut was my main interest in these, not the 10 round capacity or light rail. Mine is probably going to be used like this most of the time once I prove it, which may take awhile with the current ammunition situation:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62157&d=1603466487Sorry for the drift, but is that Sentinel directly mounted (sans plate) to the 43X MOS slide? Or was that a 43 slide direct milled for the Sentinel?
Thanks!
CDFIII
12-07-2020, 03:34 PM
Sorry for the drift, but is that Sentinel directly mounted (sans plate) to the 43X MOS slide? Or was that a 43 slide direct milled for the Sentinel?
Thanks!
I think that is a regular 43X that has been milled unless he just swapped frames. I just got a 48 mos and I believe both the 43 and 48 have the rail on them. The sentinel will mount directly to the MOS slide. I went with a plate and the new Holosun 507K on mine I was torn between it and the Sentinel.
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HeavyDuty
12-07-2020, 04:23 PM
Sorry for the drift, but is that Sentinel directly mounted (sans plate) to the 43X MOS slide? Or was that a 43 slide direct milled for the Sentinel?
Thanks!
I think that is a regular 43X that has been milled unless he just swapped frames. I just got a 48 mos and I believe both the 43 and 48 have the rail on them. The sentinel will mount directly to the MOS slide. I went with a plate and the new Holosun 507K on mine I was torn between it and the Sentinel.
It’s a Sentinel direct mounted to a 43X MOS slide riding on my 43 frame.
BobLoblaw
01-18-2021, 09:23 AM
Anybody get numbness in their trigger finger pad from trigger time with these?
Mine has been numb for the past couple days just from dry fire with the 48 MOS. I've put way more work in other triggers without issue. The trigger tang rides in the distal joint which is where I assume a nerve is being pinched.
Also, the 48 MOS feels nose-heavy. No live fire yet so I'm not totally convinced that I should've waited on a 43X MOS. The gun was basically free anyways since they included a box of ammo.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/01/18/streamlight-tlr-7-sub-shot-2021/
"The light will be available for Glock 43X/48 MOS, SIG P365 and P365XL, and for 1913 short models (with keys for the Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 Subcompact, Beretta Px4 Storm Compact/Subcompact, Springfield Armory Xd-E, and Heckler & Koch Hk45 Subcompact handguns.)"
psalms144.1
01-19-2021, 12:47 PM
Anybody get numbness in their trigger finger pad from trigger time with these?
Mine has been numb for the past couple days just from dry fire with the 48 MOS. I've put way more work in other triggers without issue. The trigger tang rides in the distal joint which is where I assume a nerve is being pinched.
Also, the 48 MOS feels nose-heavy. No live fire yet so I'm not totally convinced that I should've waited on a 43X MOS. The gun was basically free anyways since they included a box of ammo.I didn't get numbness with my 43X, but did have the worst "trigger slap" where the reset would really abuse my trigger finger. Lucky for me, there's always a market for lightly used Glocks...
Savage Hands
01-19-2021, 01:22 PM
I didn't get numbness with my 43X, but did have the worst "trigger slap" where the reset would really abuse my trigger finger. Lucky for me, there's always a market for lightly used Glocks...
So I'm not the only one with trigger slap!
bigslim
01-30-2021, 01:18 PM
Just picked up a 48mos and the slide failed to go into battery with the vertical test every time. When I field stripped it to clean and lube the slide rails were very gritty. After clean and lube with Lucas HD oil the slide failed to to into battery once in 10 or so attempts. After 250 rounds of Freedom Munitions 115 gr fmj the problem as appeared to resolved itself. I did also notice if the rsa had slipped into the upper notch of the barrel it was more likely to induce the malfunction.
Mike
ECVMatt
01-30-2021, 02:23 PM
So is a Glock 48 MOS with Shield Arms 15 round magazines and a Streamlight TLR-7 sub the new Roland Special? Maybe the Rolandita?
I also hated the dongle on the G43 trigger abusing my finger.
Overwatch polyDAT transformed the gun for me and was cheap.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/overwatch-precision-polymer-dat-trigger-kit.html?_iv_code=2Q5-PTR-PDTK-28622
$50
breakingtime91
01-30-2021, 10:06 PM
I also hated the dongle on the G43 trigger abusing my finger.
Overwatch polyDAT transformed the gun for me and was cheap.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/overwatch-precision-polymer-dat-trigger-kit.html?_iv_code=2Q5-PTR-PDTK-28622
$50
Does it still work with a regular gadget?
Does it still work with a regular gadget?
Yes. But why wouldn’t it? Triggers don’t usually affect the rear striker movement. Am I missing something?
But yes. No issues.
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GearFondler
01-31-2021, 12:24 AM
Yes. But why wouldn’t it? Triggers don’t usually affect the rear striker movement. Am I missing something?
But yes. No issues.
The OP trigger removes some of the pretravel and this sometimes causes the SCD to not sit flush at rest... It still functions but there is less travel for the SCD to work with.
HeavyDuty
01-31-2021, 05:18 AM
I also hated the dongle on the G43 trigger abusing my finger.
Overwatch polyDAT transformed the gun for me and was cheap.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/overwatch-precision-polymer-dat-trigger-kit.html?_iv_code=2Q5-PTR-PDTK-28622
$50
I traditionally reshape the factory dongle to be less proud and have more rounded edges, but out of curiosity I’m trying out two polymer Vickers triggers - one in the 43X MOS, and the second in my 19.5 MOS. I’m liking them so far and may make them my normal trigger.
Yes. But why wouldn’t it? Triggers don’t usually affect the rear striker movement. Am I missing something?
But yes. No issues.
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Does it still work with a regular gadget?
The OP trigger removes some of the pretravel and this sometimes causes the SCD to not sit flush at rest... It still functions but there is less travel for the SCD to work with.
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Gotcha! I had not noticed any issue so I never read the instructions. I bought them for stock guns initially but then found a use for them with guns that I do fast draw and reholstering things and never noticed anything like that so didn’t know it was a potential issue.
Just goes to show that you don’t know what you don’t know. Thanks guys! Gadgets so far have worked on all the aftermarket triggers I have.
Here’s a function video of the gun in question.
https://youtu.be/cLzYMKqBYHg
23JAZ
01-31-2021, 10:43 AM
So is a Glock 48 MOS with Shield Arms 15 round magazines and a Streamlight TLR-7 sub the new Roland Special? Maybe the Rolandita?
That’s what I’m shooting for. PMM says they’ll have a comp and barrel combo for the 43 out by spring and it will bring the 43 to 48 length and Streamlight says spring release for the 7-SUB. Impatiently waiting.
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TC215
02-02-2021, 03:20 PM
The MOS cut was my main interest in these, not the 10 round capacity or light rail. Mine is probably going to be used like this most of the time once I prove it, which may take awhile with the current ammunition situation:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62157&d=1603466487
Have you been able to shoot it in this configuration yet?
HeavyDuty
02-02-2021, 04:35 PM
Have you been able to shoot it in this configuration yet?
No - I haven’t wanted to expose myself to the neckbeards and mouth breathers at the local indoor range until I’m vaccinated.
TC215
02-02-2021, 04:43 PM
No - I haven’t wanted to expose myself to the neckbeards and mouth breathers at the local indoor range until I’m vaccinated.
Totally understand, but at some point you're going to have to decide if you care more about yourself or the larger P-F community.
We await your decision.
Following Thread. I'm going to go back and read it all here soon.
Has there been a consensus on if the 43X is more reliable than the 48 due to the same recoil spring on both?
Totally understand, but at some point you're going to have to decide if you care more about yourself or the larger P-F community.
We await your decision.
TC215
02-02-2021, 06:28 PM
Following Thread. I'm going to go back and read it all here soon.
Has there been a consensus on if the 43X is more reliable than the 48 due to the same recoil spring on both?
Well, the 43X passed the FBI testing, and the 48 did not.
P226SAOFan
02-02-2021, 08:21 PM
Any way to read what the fbi said about the 48 & 43x?
TC215
02-02-2021, 09:02 PM
Any way to read what the fbi said about the 48 & 43x?
No, they don’t make their testing public.
Navin Johnson
02-02-2021, 10:17 PM
Well, the 43X passed the FBI testing, and the 48 did not.
So.......HCM said Glock was redesigning parts of the 43/43x because it didn't pass .gov testing. What am i missing?
TC215
02-02-2021, 10:40 PM
So.......HCM said Glock was redesigning parts of the 43/43x because it didn't pass .gov testing. What am i missing?
There are 43’s and 43X’s currently in service. The models agents order are unique to the FBI, and are purchased directly from Glock. The 48 didn’t make the cut and is not authorized.
There are 43’s and 43X’s currently in service. The models agents order are unique to the FBI, and are purchased directly from Glock. The 48 didn’t make the cut and is not authorized.
I’m mildly interested in the 43 again. Any idea how they’re configuring them? Are the primarily being used as ankle guns?
TC215
02-02-2021, 10:56 PM
I’m mildly interested in the 43 again. Any idea how they’re configuring them? Are the primarily being used as ankle guns?
They’re on (at least) the second version of the bureau 43. I believe I know what some of the changes are, but I’m not 100%, so I won’t post them until I know for sure.
I don’t know of anyone with a 43X yet, but those with 43’s are using them as primaries when not taking enforcement action.
octagon
02-03-2021, 09:40 AM
I wonder if the 48 having a heavier slide and using the same RSA is part of the issue? I can see why Glock might want to use the RSA for 43,43X and 48 but I also could see the 48 use a Glock 19 RSA. If not the multi spring set up like more current Glocks use at least a single spring like the earlier generations did. It could be done with front sight access still usable and if the spring rate was similar without another sku. It may even improve recoil response on the 48.
Shooting my 43, 43X and 48 compared with Sig 365 I can feel how the other guns seem more natural than the 48. I can shoot the 43X best but the 48 is slower to recover than it or the 365 for me even though the 43X/48 grip size and shape is the best for any gun I own for my hands.
Well, the 43X passed the FBI testing, and the 48 did not.
No, they don’t make their testing public.
If there's anything you can relate in terms of general comments on the reasons for the 48 "not passing" that would not violate an NDA or other restriction, it would be appreciated. If not, no worries, I can understand.
TC215
02-03-2021, 06:41 PM
If there's anything you can relate in terms of general comments on the reasons for the 48 "not passing" that would not violate an NDA or other restriction, it would be appreciated. If not, no worries, I can understand.
As of this morning, I signed some paperwork that will limit my comments. If I get any info I can pass on, I will.
HCM might be able to address it in slightly more detail.
As of this morning, I signed some paperwork that will limit my comments. If I get any info I can pass on, I will.
HCM might be able to address it in slightly more detail.
Not much publicly releasable about the FBI testing or the ice testing.
FBI has tested the 43 multiple times. And I believe it took more than one attempt for the 43X to pass.
On the ice side the 43 was initially approved a few years ago and then after the last round of testing for the 43X and the 48 we were told that the 43X and the 48 both failed testing and that no new G 43 would be approved. Previously approved G 43’s would be grandfathered.
Unfortunately all the specifics are covered by NDA.
Not much publicly releasable about the FBI testing or the ice testing.
FBI has tested the 43 multiple times. And I believe it took more than one attempt for the 43X to pass.
On the ice side the 43 was initially approved a few years ago and then after the last round of testing for the 43X and the 48 we were told that the 43X and the 48 both failed testing and that no new G 43 would be approved. Previously approved G 43’s would be grandfathered.
Unfortunately all the specifics are covered by NDA.
Do you think the issues with the slim line Glock pistols are related to design, the choice of FBI ammo, or otherwise related to the interaction between a lightweight semi auto pistol and the shooter?
Do you think the issues with the slim line Glock pistols are related to design, the choice of FBI ammo, or otherwise related to the interaction between a lightweight semi auto pistol and the shooter?
I think the fact that they all share the G43 recoil system. Just like shrinking a 1911 recoil system reduces the timing window for operation.
The FBI has two current duty rounds which can be used in G17/19/26: the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot and 135 grain critical duty. However only the 135 grain critical duty is authorized for the Bureau 43/43x.
G43s in general were known for not liking +P ammo and heavier bullets which is why I was surprised when ICE authorized it.
What ever the failings of the P320, the SIG P365 and 365XL's which pass armorer inspection have been 100% reliable IME.
There was an issue with some oversized rear dovetails and rer sights walking but the guns have all cycled and fired reliably enough that I wish SIG would do a scaled up P365XL as the 320 2.0.
Navin Johnson
02-04-2021, 01:31 AM
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....
octagon
02-04-2021, 10:30 AM
There was an issue with some oversized rear dovetails and rer sights walking but the guns have all cycled and fired reliably enough that I wish SIG would do a scaled up P365XL as the 320 2.0.
I could only like your post once but this is my thought as well. Extend the grip to flush fit the 15 round P365/XL mags and a little longer slide. If it was Glock 19 size or a touch smaller with the same capacity and likely improved reliability I might be swayed to move away from Glocks even more so. My hand size along with the modular design of the 365/XL make it a dream design.
LittleLebowski
02-04-2021, 10:30 AM
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....
If it were me, Glock all day.
luckyman
02-04-2021, 01:09 PM
I think the fact that they all share the G43 recoil system. Just like shrinking a 1911 recoil system reduces the timing window for operation.
The FBI has two current duty rounds which can be used in G17/19/26: the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot and 135 grain critical duty. However only the 135 grain critical duty is authorized for the Bureau 43/43x.
G43s in general were known for not liking +P ammo and heavier bullets which is why I was surprised when ICE authorized it.
What ever the failings of the P320, the SIG P365 and 365XL's which pass armorer inspection have been 100% reliable IME.
There was an issue with some oversized rear dovetails and rer sights walking but the guns have all cycled and fired reliably enough that I wish SIG would do a scaled up P365XL as the 320 2.0.
Thanks for this info, I wasn’t aware of or had forgotten about the ammunition sensitivity.
BehindBlueI's
02-04-2021, 03:25 PM
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....
The Shield is a "it just works" answer at a low price point and with good support. Glock has the ability to add the gadget.
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....
I like all of them, but most folks will not be agnostic — they will have a strong preference. You probably need to figure out which you prefer.
psalms144.1
02-05-2021, 01:05 PM
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....I've had all three. I never warmed to either the G43 or G43X - the 43 was too small in my hands, and both grips are too slick, IMHO, for optimal shooting at rapid pace. I have NO idea why GLOCK just doesn't break down and put the Gen4/5 texturing on these. My G43X also gave the worst case of "trigger slap" on reset of any pistol I've ever owned - not sure what that's about, but I'm not the only person who's experienced this.
The Shield feels great in the hand, but is significantly larger for the capacity it delivers. Trigger on it is the most "meh" of the three, but it still delivered better than Glock accuracy for me.
The P365 is magic fairy dust small given it's a 10+1 pistol - it makes the G26 feel positively enormous. Smaller than the G43, with nearly twice the capacity and a better trigger is a hard combination to beat. The only thing going against the P365 is it's a Sig, which, unfortunately, means I just don't trust it completely. It's significantly more complicated than either the Glock or M&P, and, in my experience, more parts = more probability of problems UNLESS the company making it has an absolutely unimpeachable track record for top quality material and construction. That does NOT apply, in any way, to the Cohen era Sig, more's the pity.
Currently the only "smallish" pistol I own is a P365XL. I find it to be just about the perfect size for all but absolutely deep concealment applications. It's extremely accurate, surprisingly soft shooting, and has been problem free through about 1,000 rounds so far. Unfortunately, it's still a Sig, so it very rarely comes out of the safe for any actual carry. Lucky for me, it's winter, so my Dan Wesson CCO or G19 are getting all my carry attention. Not sure what I'm going to do when it heats up - I might break down and try another G43X, just for the "comfort" factor of not having any nagging worries in the back of my head that my pistol won't work when I need it.
If one was choosing a slim 9 mm based on available information witch would one choose? A Shield or a 365 or a slimline G-lock?
Just asking for general information....
Probably depends on what you are looking for, either in general use (Carry? BUG? Home Defense?) or specifics (Features? Capacity?).
I am loathe to suggest "what gun" for somebody else, but I have bought and sold a few in the last 2-3 years including Walther PPS M2, P365, Glock 43X, and P365XL. I owned each for several months and shot at least 500 rounds before moving on to my current (and hopefully final) choice. My criteria were for a reliable, accurate, robust, compact, carry-able, safe handgun, with sufficient capacity that I could shoot accurately (clean FYL at 5 yards, 95 or better on The Test, 90 or better on a B8 at 25 yd), was easy to service/source parts and had adequate aftermarket accessories for sights, holsters, etc. A bonus would be if there was a bigger version of my EDC that I could buy to shoot USPSA (a family of guns, if you will.)
My first one was the Walther PPS M2. It was heavy for it's capacity. It shot well. The non-reversible mag release did not work for me; as a lefty I accidentally had the mag disengage while carrying, twice. It was versatile with 6/7/8 magazines. It had a "SCD"-like dingus that protruded out the end of the slide. I used this gun in a JM CK hip holster when I paid for a couple hours personal training in Clackamas OR with this dude named Gabe White in 2017. He was pretty smart, I wonder what happened to him? :cool:
After dabbling with a couple short round 10 round guns (HKP30SK LEM V1, Glock 26), I decided I did not like shooting short round guns and went looking for the "perfect" carry gun.
My wife bought a P365 summer of '19. It is small. Damn but it's small. Still, with a two-finger grip the sucker shoots like a laser. Steel night sights standard. Trigger press is very smooth. So far, our example (she still has it) has been malfunction free over 450 rounds.
Since the P365 was too tiny, I bought a Glock 43X. It immediately got a SCD and Ameriglo sights. And an Overwatch trigger, because you know. And a Glock store Tungsten guide rod: I was one of those people who perceived it to be snappy, really snappy. But, it ran with zero problems for 8 months and 600 rounds. I sold it because I did not enjoy shooting it.
Then followed a Sig P365XL. It was "optic" ready, but I wasn't ready for dots. It was reliable and accurate. Mags were an eye-watering $50+, each. It was malfunction free over 4 months and 641 rounds. I enjoyed shooting it. It pocket carried in a Desantis Nemesis (I'm not sure how, but it did.) I usually carried either in a Vedder Light Tuck or a JM CK IWB3. I had two issues: The FCU "rocked" in the frame slightly on my example. No biggie shooting, but it bugged me in Dry Practice. Second was at a USPSA match I shot it in; one of the mag followers barfed out of the top of mag tube, maybe after dropping it on a stage. I stuffed it in and carried on loading. But later I was able to pretty easily pry the follower out of the top of the mag. I sold it because I didn't think it was robust enough.
Also, I decided at this point I would not be getting a P320 to replace my Glock 19 in USPSA, either, because: doubts.
So I traded the XL on a black, non-MOS, non-Rail Glock 48. I put an SCD and Ameriglo sights on it. I've currently got a Talon rubber grip on it that I'm meh on. That's it. It is reliable and accurate. I scored 98-4X on The Test with it a week or so ago, a personal best score. I lost a bunch of weight recently allowing me to carry it AIWB in a Dark Star Gear Hitchhiker with a Dark Wing and a Junk Carry Pillow. I scored a bunch of 10 round mags from a p-f member, so I'm set there. Yeah the trigger is a Glock. But I can take it completely apart and put it back together using a punch and a roll of tape for an armorer's block. And it works afterwards.
I have had one malfunction which I attributed to the ammo I was using. Otherwise I'm up to mid-three figures (can't remember the exact count) rounds over five months now. I bought a Blue Gun G48 for manipulations. I love shooting it. I think the G48 is "the one".
Hope this helps.
Edit to add: I have rented both a Shield and a G43. Both were slipperier than a greased pig in a swimming pool full of Crisco. They jumped and bucked shooting. But that's with only a box or less of ammo through them; maybe they would grow on me. I did own a S&W M&P 9mm first gen full size (my first gun) and I did not like the S&W hinged trigger, at all. So I think the Shield has one of those; that would bug me, but they sure do sell a lot of them. They appear to not have any major issues. I just think there are better options these days.
1) I was in the LGS this afternoon and started chatting with another customer. Turns out he had a 48 MOS with a 507K on him, my wife had a 365XL with a K on her, and I had a 43X with a RMSc. Slimline pistols and red dots are become more common!
2) shot the four inch PC model Shield — easily the best shooting slimline I have experienced.
cornstalker
02-06-2021, 09:54 AM
Hope I am not beating a dead horse. Does anyone know what the pocket depth is on the 43x/48 MOS optics cut?
EricM
02-06-2021, 11:38 AM
Hope I am not beating a dead horse. Does anyone know what the pocket depth is on the 43x/48 MOS optics cut?
0.190"
cornstalker
02-06-2021, 05:03 PM
0.190"
Thank you!
Odd question -
I just purchased a 43x MOS and really like it. Is there any hope of getting this on the USPSA production list so I can compete with it in CO at Steel Challenge matches? Has anyone ever dealt with Glock on getting a gun added to the production list?
What sights is everyone running on these? I have a G48 MOS with a Swampfox Sentinel (https://www.amazon.com/Swampfox-Sentinel-Micro-Reflex-Pistol/dp/B08JHGPNFJ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=swampfox+sentinel&qid=1612797566&sr=8-1), so no optic plate required. I want a set of either all black or black rear / fiber front sights that sit in the lower 1/3 of the optic. Any idea what heights I should be looking for?
I can get a pretty low sight picture through the optic with the factory plastic sights. I'd like something a little taller. A rough measurement of those:
Front: .200 height
Rear: .250 height
Thanks!
Inkwell 41
02-07-2021, 09:17 PM
Seller’s market for certain. $799.99 for a G43X MOS @ local gun show yesterday. Vendor had 2. The second included a SIG Romeo Zero (https://www.amazon.com/SIG-Romeo-Zero-Reflex-3MOA/dp/B07XGMYQMN/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2XX32QSVQS057&dchild=1&keywords=sig+romeo+zero&qid=1612797603&sprefix=sig+romeo%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-2). A steal at $999.99.
Odd question -
I just purchased a 43x MOS and really like it. Is there any hope of getting this on the USPSA production list so I can compete with it in CO at Steel Challenge matches? Has anyone ever dealt with Glock on getting a gun added to the production list?
Last May, I emailed D NROI that the Sig P365XL was not on the USPSA production list. Mr. McManus replied stating that he was in the process of updating the list. The P365XL was subsequently added.
Last May, I emailed D NROI that the Sig P365XL was not on the USPSA production list. Mr. McManus replied stating that he was in the process of updating the list. The P365XL was subsequently added.
Yep, I just got a response back from Mr. McManus this evening myself. The G43x MOS is legal now (email attached).
23JAZ
02-08-2021, 10:07 AM
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TC215
02-09-2021, 08:47 PM
I can share this— all 43X’s with black slides have the updates that were put in place to pass bureau testing. I have no idea what the updates are, but the silver slide models don’t have them.
The changes made to the bureau 43’s will filter over to the commercial models, if they haven’t already. I have no idea what the updates are.
Thanks for this info, I wasn’t aware of or had forgotten about the ammunition sensitivity.
The mandated use of 135gr +P ammo in the bureau 43’s is due to terminal performance, not because of problems with the guns functioning with 147gr ammo.
HeavyDuty
02-09-2021, 10:07 PM
I can share this— all 43X’s with black slides have the updates that were put in place to pass bureau testing. I have no idea what the updates are, but the silver slide models don’t have them.
I wonder if this applies to the 48, too? Not knowing what the changes were...
Blackbag
02-24-2021, 04:17 PM
Just got the call for the 43X MOS from my dealer. I paid, did the paperwork, and should get to pick it up next week. It’s not a Blue Label but I didn’t want to wait. It felt really good in my hand. Looking forward to mounting the 507K and trying it out.
I can share this— all 43X’s with black slides have the updates that were put in place to pass bureau testing. I have no idea what the updates are, but the silver slide models don’t have them.
The changes made to the bureau 43’s will filter over to the commercial models, if they haven’t already. I have no idea what the updates are.
The mandated use of 135gr +P ammo in the bureau 43’s is due to terminal performance, not because of problems with the guns functioning with 147gr ammo.
What is the most effective ammo that is 100% reliable in the 43X? Sorry if I missed this in a previous post.
CarloMNL
11-05-2021, 08:49 AM
What is the most effective ammo that is 100% reliable in the 43X? Sorry if I missed this in a previous post.
I carry a 43X and candidly, I don't expect expansion from a barrel so short. From what I remember reading here on the forums, Chuck Haggard mentioned that HSTs expand out of a G43. Not sure if he was referring to the standard pressure or plus P loading.
G19Fan
08-20-2022, 11:41 PM
I think the fact that they all share the G43 recoil system. Just like shrinking a 1911 recoil system reduces the timing window for operation.
The FBI has two current duty rounds which can be used in G17/19/26: the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot and 135 grain critical duty. However only the 135 grain critical duty is authorized for the Bureau 43/43x.
G43s in general were known for not liking +P ammo and heavier bullets which is why I was surprised when ICE authorized it.
What ever the failings of the P320, the SIG P365 and 365XL's which pass armorer inspection have been 100% reliable IME.
There was an issue with some oversized rear dovetails and rer sights walking but the guns have all cycled and fired reliably enough that I wish SIG would do a scaled up P365XL as the 320 2.0.
The oracle was correct lol
Trukinjp13
08-21-2022, 11:29 AM
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This has been my favorite of all the slim lines I’ve tried. 10-8 sights with a tlr7 sub. It just shoots.
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diananike
08-26-2022, 08:59 PM
I just got my first malfunction with my G48 MOS (407k and Tlr7)
A failure to eject with Remington 115gr white box FMJ
That’s after about 1550 rounds without cleaning the gun.
1000 were my cheap plated reloads with mixed range brass
500 Federal aluminum case 115gr FMJ
And one 50 rd box of Remington
It choked once in the second box.
Now I’ll clean the gun and see when the next malfunction arises….
SW CQB 45
08-27-2022, 07:11 PM
tag for interest. I got me a new G48MOS some months back. Serrated factory trigger :( was heavy and very clunky break.
I bought an aftermarket trigger (Overwatch Precision), NP3 firing pin safety and their minus connector. Felt trigger press/break is only slightly improved.
I need to shoot it first to make a real judgement. The aluminum trigger face feel is a huge improvement over the factory plastic serrated.
I am not in any hurry for an optic as my money is focused on something else at the moment. So its plastic sights with the rear sight turned around.
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