OIS Wisconsin, attack with blades

[LittleLebowski]

https://www.fox6now.com/news/da-no-charges-in-officer-involved-death-of-kevan-ruffin-jr-in-sheboygan-use-of-force-justified



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFanbnGwNk

[LittleLebowski]

The second video (within the YouTube above) is wild.

[blues]

My heart goes out to that officer. You can tell he's a decent guy and it really weighed on him to put the man down.

[HCM]

My heart goes out to that officer. You can tell he's a decent guy and it really weighed on him to put the man down.

He is lucky he was quick and did not fall. He had a very close call.

Attempting to tase the suspect without lethal cover almost cost him his life.

It seemed like both officers knew the suspect by name from prior encounters.

[RJ]

Geebus. Kept running at him after what, 4 or 5 shots...? Wow.

[HCM]

Geebus. Kept running at him after what, 4 or 5 shots...? Wow.

That’s actually not surprising. Pretty typical of handgun performance on a determined attacker. Hence Tom Givens comments about various capacity handguns guns being 1,2,or 3 “bad guy” guns.

The officer did a great job stopping him in only 5 rounds given the attackers determination and the fact that he did so while literally running for his life backwards in w circle.

[RJ]

That’s actually not surprising. Pretty typical of handgun performance on a determined attacker. Hence Tom Givens comments about various capacity handguns guns being 1,2,or 3 “bad guy” guns.

The officer did a great job stopping him in only 5 rounds given the attackers determination and the fact that he did so while literally running for his life backwards in w circle.

Yeah that was a pretty sobering reminder.

*looks over at my Ruger LCR*

Hmmm.

[Totem Polar]

Lord, what a ring around the rosie sandwich to deal with. I feel for all involved—I agree that it looks like both officers knew this guy.

Those were some big knives, too. Surreal, and a bad day all around.

[HCM]

Yeah that was a pretty sobering reminder.

*looks over at my Ruger LCR*

Hmmm.

Also a great illustration of how fast things happen.

[WOLFIE]

One of my first thoughts (I could be wrong) is the suspect has psychosis issues.

[ASH556]

Makes me think of Mr_White ‘s “off the X” or whatever drill. Sorry I don’t remember what he calls it, but the idea is to be moving, drawing, and shooting all at the same time. Very few people work on that.


https://youtu.be/Tb4HmV6pwJk

[peterb]

In the overhead video, it appears that when the subject turns towards him at the initial greeting, the officer moves away from his vehicle. I’m guessing to give himself an unobstructed sight line? What are the pros and cons of doing that vs. moving behind the vehicle?

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One of my first thoughts (I could be wrong) is the suspect has psychosis issues.

Damn I guess they havent taken funds away from the police to fund the social workers yet.

[WOLFIE]

Damn I guess they havent taken funds away from the police to fund the social workers yet.

Two Social workers: There he is. How big is he? Big. He is supposed to have a knife. I see two knives. (5 minutes later). Yeah boss. We couldn’t find the guy. He was gone by the time we got there.

[RJ]

Makes me think of Mr_White ‘s “off the X” or whatever drill. Sorry I don’t remember what he calls it, but the idea is to be moving, drawing, and shooting all at the same time. Very few people work on that.


https://youtu.be/Tb4HmV6pwJk

Having taken Gabe’s class once, I can say there is quite a lot in his curriculum to unpack, this drill in particular. I’ve got a pot of ammo dedicated in reserve till I can take his course a second time.

[Mitch]

Yeah that was a pretty sobering reminder.

*looks over at my Ruger LCR*

Hmmm.

Dude, I have the same thought. Frequently.

There are times when a j frame in the pocket is the only thing I can carry. But I absolutely hate being down to just that.

[JTQ]

https://www.fox6now.com/news/da-no-charges-in-officer-involved-death-of-kevan-ruffin-jr-in-sheboygan-use-of-force-justified]
Another statical point for racist cops and a disproportionate use of force.;)

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?43964-Race-and-police-shootings

[RancidSumo]

Kevan's family is reviewing hundreds of pages of police reports and conducting their own investigation, and will release a statement after they have reviewed all the evidence.

How often do you see that?

[RJ]

Dude, I have the same thought. Frequently.

There are times when a j frame in the pocket is the only thing I can carry. But I absolutely hate being down to just that.

Yeah, amen.

I went ahead and loaded up my G19 for carry. It's my USPSA gun and weighted down with a bunch of extra stuff to add weight, so it is a little porky. Full rig in a JM CK IWB 3 15+1 weighs in at 37.9 oz. Looking forward to getting my JM CK order completed with Tony for my IWB 3 for the Sig P365XL; I estimate the weight of the gun plus holster plus mag plus 12+1 to be about 30 oz.

Still, it was fairly reassuring to have my Glock 19 on yesterday. The LCR can go back to being my Netflix gun. I need to stop kidding myself that the Ruger is a good option being out and about these days, really.

[JHC]

https://www.fox6now.com/news/da-no-charges-in-officer-involved-death-of-kevan-ruffin-jr-in-sheboygan-use-of-force-justified



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFanbnGwNk

Listening to the LEO post shooting just breaks may heart. Good that it worked out like it did.