U.S./ Texas Lawshield. .... worth the $$$ ?

[Brazos Dan]

I considering this due to current events.

1. I live just inside Montgomery Co., TX. We have a very pro 2nd amendment Sheriff. He declared our co. one of
the few 2nd amend. co.s in the country. I know its just a declaration and not a law, but it at least demonstrates his mind-set.

A few blocks over and my domain would be at the mercy of Houston's MAU-MAU mayor and his synchophant
police chief, Ass-evedo.

A most likely situation that might require use of force would be a necessary incusion into unfriendly territory. Such as, comming back from our Grandaughter's wedding in Galveston on Sat. night June, 20, travelling north on I45 to Houston/Kingwood. If traffic came to a halt and I had been pinned-in on 4 sides, I would have thought it was just another Sat. traffic jam at 10:30 P.M. It just occured to me it could have been something more serious.

Sorry, long story, but this has got me considering Texas Lawshield. First impression looks like possibly good protection for cheap.

Any opinions/reviews from the hive?

[Arbninftry]

I would be interested in hearing from someone that has this also. It is becoming more and more likely if you live in an urban area, that you may have to use physical means to get out of a situation that goes sideways. Just look at the couple in ST. Louis that just had their rifle confiscated by the police for trying to defend themselves from a mob.

[SeriousStudent]

I have considered it. I have several friends that carry it, but have never had to call them.

[TR675]

If it makes you feel better go for it.

If you want to pick your own attorney - and I suggest that you do - and I also suggest if you need a good criminal attorney you want one who doesn’t belong to a network like this - maybe give it a pass.


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[BehindBlueI's]

Did you read the contract? A few things that make me question if it's worth the cost:


d. This Policy specifically excludes legal representation in criminal or civil matters arising from the Covered Person's possession of a weapon in violation of local, state, or federal laws or in the commission of any crime for which justification under state law is inapplicable.

So if they decide your "Use of a Weapon" is criminal in nature, you have to fight them in arbitration to get them to cover you. Are you going to buy insurance to cover your legal expenses in presenting your case to the American Arbitration Association?


In none of these instances does the Insurer stand in the position of guarantor as to the honesty, proficiency, accuracy, or resourcefulness of the individual Plan Attorney or firm of Plan Attorney.

Interesting.


In the event that a Covered Person does not agree with the Plan Attorney's advice or recommendations, the Plan Attorney may terminate the representation if done pursuant to the Bar Rules or Code of Professional Responsibility. Member or Covered Person may at all times retain counsel other than the Independent Plan Attorney provided under this Policy, however, Member and Covered Person shall be responsible for all attorneys' fees, cost and expenses of this different counsel and shall receive no reimbursement under this Policy.

Also interesting.

So they don't guarantee you a good lawyer, and if you don't like the one they give you, tough shit. If they don't think your actions are legally justified, you can be cut loose as long as they convince the arbitrator. You think a lot of bad press might influence that decision? I don't know, maybe they are a 100/100 on the integrity meter, but that's a question I'd want answered before I gave them money.

[willie]

Certainly some of these plans must be worthwhile, but I wonder about some things. For example, if I were to get arrested in a city out of town, like a couple hundred miles from home, does this attorney get you out of jail by arranging for bond payment? I have personal knowledge over a four year period about court appointed attorneys serving inmates. All were paid based on guilty pleas. Most did nothing for the inmates. Zero. My fear would be drawing some joker with a mindset of being paid but not working for the client. There must be a good way to screen these companies.

[MGW]

If you want coverage like that I think CCW Safe is a much better company. I did a lot of research on both companies last year. US Lawshield seems to be a little on the shady side. Their literature is flashy and the talk a good game but I don't know if they would really come through if you needed them. I also had a difficult time finding any cases that they actually represented someone in.

[RoyGBiv]

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/support-plan-comparison

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/membership-benefits

Not involved with them in any way, except as a customer.

[blues]

If you want coverage like that I think CCW Safe is a much better company. I did a lot of research on both companies last year. US Lawshield seems to be a little on the shady side. Their literature is flashy and the talk a good game but I don't know if they would really come through if you needed them. I also had a difficult time finding any cases that they actually represented someone in.

That's who I'm with. I've got the HR 218 plan.

[the Schwartz]

The OP might wish to look into USCCA as well. USCCA offers coverage for non-LE that ranges from $22 per month for a basic policy up to $47 per month for a policy that has all the bells and whistles.

[Borderland]

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/support-plan-comparison

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/membership-benefits

Not involved with them in any way, except as a customer.

I think this is a good company. I've been a member for about 7 years. My situation was we had an RV and traveled about 6000 miles every winter. I thought it the best plan out there for that situation. WA state will no longer let me use that company ( anti-gun AG ) because I live in WA but I highly recommend it. I'm still active but will have to find something else this fall.

[OlongJohnson]

I was pretty annoyed when the instructor's shilling to get students signed up with Texas Lawshield took up about 45 minutes of my LTC class. That seems to be their deal: Get LTC instructors to use the required legal information aspect of the class to promote this one particular organization, presumably getting a commission for each student who signs up.

I may have even heard of someone starting a class-action suit against them related to that practice.

I think the word shady was used earlier.

[RancidSumo]

I looked into this when I got my CHL and briefly talked to the rep. I was told they do not get involved until you are charged. In my opinion, that makes them useless. It would be nice to be able to consult with a lawyer cheaply immediately after a shooting, but if I'm charged with a crime that will completely ruin my life if convicted, I'm not betting it all on a lawyer I can get for an inexpensive yearly subscription.

[TR675]

Guys, I want to expand on my previous post, from the perspective of a criminal defense attorney.

I can almost guarantee that the criminal defense attorney that you want in your area is not part of this network. Why would they be? They are in demand and can charge premium rates.

If you are signing up for one of these programs, and they are going to pay for your attorney, you are going to get whoever they give you. There is another name for this and that is an "appointed attorney". In this case it is insurance appointing the attorney instead of the government. This is similar to what happens when you get into a car wreck. Sometimes you luck out and you get a great attorney, usually they are pretty mediocre, sometimes they suck. The stakes are lower when it is a fender bender and not your liberty.

I am lucky in that I know the local legal bars well and thus who I would turn to if I had a legal problem in my county, and who I would turn to in surrounding counties. They are different people.

Like anything else, you are going to be best served by doing your homework. This may include vetting and meeting with an attorney in advance of any problems and paying them a "true retainer" to be available in case you need help bonding out, etc. But the members of this forum tend to be analytical and particular, and I know that the collective y'all have the ability to do the work, even if it's not as sexy as selecting the latest and greatest pistol mounted red dot.

As far as I am concerned, I will take the risk of a large financial hit in order to select counsel of my own choosing.

[blues]

Only a defense attorney could afford a good defense attorney out of pocket. ;)

(I completely understand the message, however.)

[RoyGBiv]

I can almost guarantee that the criminal defense attorney that you want in your area is not part of this network. Why would they be? They are in demand and can charge premium rates.

If you are signing up for one of these programs, and they are going to pay for your attorney, you are going to get whoever they give you.

From my earlier post...
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/membership-benefits


• While the Network greatly appreciates the contributions of our Affiliated Attorneys, Network members choose the attorney they want representing them after self defense; the Network pays the attorney the member designates, whether that is an affiliated attorney or not.

And... the deciding factor for me... YMMV



• Our Advisory Board is comprised of leading experts in the field of armed self defense including John Farnam, Massad Ayoob, Tom Givens, James Fleming, Emanuel Kapelsohn and Dennis Tueller. These industry leaders generously lend their expertise and knowledge to the direction in which the Network grows.

[TR675]

From my earlier post...
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/learn/membership-benefits



And... the deciding factor for me... YMMV

Then that might be looking into more, in fact, I think I even got signed up as one of its affiliated attorneys as a courtesy or something by Marty after a Rangemaster Tac Con maybe 10 years ago. YMMV, always!

[blues]

CCW Safe allows one to pick their own attorney. (They may have to be vetted by them first. I forget the details...but Don West is involved in the process, possibly along with others.)