Harry Potter and The Fight for Trans Rights

[RevolverRob]

The title above - would have been a better title for the latest firestorm - JK Rowling authored a piece that has been viewed as Anti-Trans, last weekend and she is beset from all sides now, for failing to fall on the socially correct side of the argument. And now the world is mad at her and Harry Potter.

https://www.vox.com/culture/21285396/jk-rowling-transphobic-backlash-harry-potter

I believe all people should have their rights and choices respected. Including both trans people and JK Rowling. I find it silly on the part of the author on this piece, that they cannot separate an author’s personal views from their fiction works. I don’t agree with everything Ernest Hemingway said, but I don’t throw out my copy of “Old Man and the Sea”, because of that.

Anyways - I find it fascinating how fast people have turned on Rowling. Also how fast this particular incident with Rowling is gaining steam. The world has had enough George Floyd - Defund Hogwarts is the next big thing.

[Joe in PNG]

Cancel Culture is the new religion of the online era. You show your fervor via hate post and public virtue signaling.

Kind of like how Sister Bertha Betterthanyou loudly shouts hallelujah and gossips about the sins of others to hid her own shortcomings.

[Darth_Uno]

I can’t believe I clicked on a Vox link.

Damn, and I got the church crowd telling me to blacklist her after she made Dumbledore gay? Which is it? Maybe - and this is gonna sound crazy but hear me out - you should just enjoy a product without giving a rip about the creator’s personal opinions.

[blues]

If only I could be a television or film star. How wonderful it must be to have insightful and relevant opinions on everything from gender and medicine to politics and racism.

It really is magical.

[trailrunner]

Issues today are binary: either you are with us, or your are a Nazi homophobe hater. There is no nuance, no grey area, no critical thinking, no attempt to understand the other side.

And what's up with this:


But even before she published it, to me at least, the damage had already been done. I had officially ended a 21-year relationship and started to grieve.

She started to grieve because somebody had an idea that was different from her? Seriously? Grieve?


https://youtu.be/unkIVvjZc9Y

[JohnO]

I believe all people should have their rights and choices respected. Including both trans people and JK Rowling.

Yeah I agree. However don't expect society to be responsible for your decisions. We shouldn't have to pay for your latest gender whim. We shouldn't have to change our language to make you feel good about yourself. I don't want or need to hear about your preferred pronoun. Finally you don't get the right to dominate another sex's sporting events saying you are just the same as them.

[blues]

Yeah I agree. However don't expect society to be responsible for your decisions. We shouldn't have to pay for your latest gender whim. We shouldn't have to change our language to make you feel good about yourself. I don't want or need to hear about your preferred pronoun. Finally you don't get the right to dominate another sex's sporting events saying you are just the same as them.

Some might say that's a dick move. But how would they know? ;)

(sarcasm, sarcasm, put down the rope!)

[ccmdfd]

Some might say that's a dick move. But how would they know? ;)

(sarcasm, sarcasm, put down the rope!)

What?
You don't want to be well hung???

[JDD]

The title above - would have been a better title for the latest firestorm - JK Rowling authored a piece that has been viewed as Anti-Trans, last weekend and she is beset from all sides now, for failing to fall on the socially correct side of the argument. And now the world is mad at her and Harry Potter.

https://www.vox.com/culture/21285396/jk-rowling-transphobic-backlash-harry-potter

I believe all people should have their rights and choices respected. Including both trans people and JK Rowling. I find it silly on the part of the author on this piece, that they cannot separate an author’s personal views from their fiction works. I don’t agree with everything Ernest Hemingway said, but I don’t throw out my copy of “Old Man and the Sea”, because of that.

Anyways - I find it fascinating how fast people have turned on Rowling. Also how fast this particular incident with Rowling is gaining steam. The world has had enough George Floyd - Defund Hogwarts is the next big thing.

I am not fully read up on it, but I think a lot of it comes down to a feeling of betrayal.

J.K. Rowling wrote a series where love and acceptance are core themes, and that emphasizes that bigotry is wrong. She has been fairly active in social media, adding additional "context" to her books by saying that various characters were gay (I am not spun up on the details), but it was generally taken as support for the LGBT+ community.

Her statements about Trans folks are not in line with the current best understanding of those issues within the community, and are being taken by trans folks as an attack on the core of who they are. Again, I am not fully spun up on the issues, but there are more than a few folks who grew up with the books that she wrote as a source of comfort, and who are now feeling personally attacked. It's not stuff I understand, but if you are Trans, this stuff really matters to you.

If you want a rough analogy, think about what happened when S&W decided to make a deal with the devil and install internal locks.

[blues]

What?
You don't want to be well hung???

On the list of aspirations...I suppose there's always room for improvement.


https://youtu.be/GXtzKYmdTv0



https://youtu.be/UdL9wQdWZ9g

[AKDoug]

This thread is decidedly less sporting without Medusa around :D

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Just don't ask me to pay for it or swear an oath of allegiance to your cause so I can continue living and doing business.

Last year my business was asked to donate to the local Pride Parade. I handed the representative our standard donation form to fill out. The form asks details about the organization, a description of the event, their EIN number for their non-profit, and amount of cash or product donation requested, and how our business would be advertised to get a value out of the donation. It is also noted plainly that lack of an EIN or non-profit does not necessarily disqualify them from a donation, nor would a lack of advertising of our business disqualify a donation. The representative took the form, said thank you, and said she would bring it back the next day. The next day I awoke to several thinly veiled FB messenger threats to our business page angry that we were somehow being discriminatory because we asked them to fill out a form. All of the complainers were not local to our small town. I decided that I would not respond, lest my response get twisted somehow into an untruth. Luckily nothing ever came of it publicly. They never returned the form. The person who picked up the form wasn't one of the complainers, and she still frequents our business. I like to think that the local organizers had a shred of common sense and came to our defense. It is amazing these days how close you can come to being publicly destroyed over some trivial matter.

My daughter, who is 20, has several friends that are part of the LGBT cause. They say that the infighting among the "team" is every bit as bad as the discrimination they sometimes face. As a gun guy, I say welcome to my world.

[Suvorov]

Rowling was part of this whole cultural shift until it turned on her.

Pretty much the same thing going on as what happened in the USSR when you could go from Hero of the People to having your image removed from photographs for saying the wrong thing or winking when you should have nodded - except you don't end up in a ditch with a bullet in the back of your head (yet).

[Chance]

Anyways - I find it fascinating how fast people have turned on Rowling. Also how fast this particular incident with Rowling is gaining steam.

Rowling is just the highest profile individual to be labeled a TERF, and I don't find the reaction surprising at all. That particular schism is witheringly bitter, but few folks outside the LGBT community were even aware of it until now.

[blues]

Rowling was part of this whole cultural shift until it turned on her.

Pretty much the same thing going on as what happened in the USSR when you could go from Hero of the People to having your image removed from photographs for saying the wrong thing or winking when you should have nodded - except you don't end up in a ditch with a bullet in the back of your head (yet).

So, you mean like being a cop.

[RevolverRob]

This thread is decidedly less sporting without Medusa around :D

You mean civil with more discussion? I concur. :o


I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Just don't ask me to pay for it or swear an oath of allegiance to your cause so I can continue living and doing business.


This.

And apparently, for some, it’s not just a one-time payment. But a continual tax on your well being.

Sorry, continual “investment” on your part.

[SAWBONES]

...except you don't end up in a ditch with a bullet in the back of your head (yet).

Yeah, it seems in Russia lately that you somehow fall from a high window instead. :eek:

[ccmdfd]

Cancel Culture is the new religion of the online era. You show your fervor via hate post and public virtue signaling.

Kind of like how Sister Bertha Betterthanyou loudly shouts hallelujah and gossips about the sins of others to hid her own shortcomings.

Very true.

And if i remember correctly, Sister Bertha let her shortcomings be known after the intervention of a certain squirrel.

[ccmdfd]

Yeah, it seems in Russia lately that you somehow fall from a high window instead. :eek:

Yeah, kind of strange.

They seem to have suffered from some shoddy window construction. And it seems concentrated in buildings housing doctors.

[SAWBONES]

Yeah, kind of strange.

They seem to have suffered from some shoddy window construction. And it seems concentrated in buildings housing doctors.

And certain lawyers and diplomats...

It's truly a mystery how so many of these adult, professional people reach maturity, then somehow fall out of high windows.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

It's truly a mystery how so many of these adult, professional people reach maturity, then somehow fall out of high windows.

It's a mystery why adult, professional people who carry instruments of deadly force, worry about the blather of a kid's book author.

Ok, I read some of them and saw some of the movies. Most of their problems could have been solved with a 44 magnum and Harry Dresden.

[ccmdfd]

It's a mystery why adult, professional people who carry instruments of deadly force, worry about the blather of a kid's book author.

Ok, I read some of them and saw some of the movies. Most of their problems could have been solved with a 44 magnum and Harry Dresden.

Speaking for myself, I'm not personally concerned with the authors blather. I say that not having actually seen or read the supposedly offensive comments. Every link I've clicked on so far just shows someone else's interpretation of what she has said.

I read the Potter books well into my adulthood. I really enjoyed them. However I just viewed them as simple, good fanciful stories. I didn't take any deep meaning out of them.

Since this thread started, I thought about it a little more. If I were to try to take deep meaning out of the series, it would go something along the lines of the fact that the evil people are all about pure blood, which is the same thing as pure race. Anyone who isn't pureblood either needs to be subjugated to them or just outright exterminated. The heroes don't care one way or the other about bloodlines.

The smartest character, most intelligent, in the entire series is a female who also just happens to be non pureblood. She also goes on a big rant about being anti-slavery. We also learned that the world is full of magical, misunderstood creatures who just want to get along peacefully but who keep getting dragged back into Conflict by the evil white guys.

Now we are somehow supposed to tell everyone, especially our children that this is all immaterial because of some comments the author made??

I believe myself as well as most other posters in this thread are not so much discussing what she said but rather the entire cancel culture response that happens whenever someone doesn't toe the exact center of the line that someone else has drawn.

[blues]

I'm going to out myself...



I've never read a Harry Potter book.



Nor seen a Harry Potter movie.


I feel so ashamed...

[Half Moon]

I'm going to out myself...



I've never read a Harry Potter book.



Nor seen a Harry Potter movie.


I feel so ashamed...

*GASP*

I think you know what to do:

55881

[jetfire]

I actually really like the analogy to the sense of betrayal gun owners had over the S&W Clinton Deal/Internal Lock, actually. My generation really grew up with the HP books. I was a little old for them, at least I felt that way, but the first book came out when a lot of my generation were basically the same age as the protagonists. They aged with these books, watched all the movies, and like someone said earlier, found comfort in them if they were part of a marginalized community.

Now, especially if you're trans, this has to feel like a massive betrayal. Being trans is hard enough as is, and if you really care about A Thing, it's probably really tough to have the creator of that thing tell you that you don't matter, or whatever the hell Rowling did. So I can, in abstract, understand why people are mad.

The flip side of this is because I'm a conservative-ish gun owner, I gave up caring about the political beliefs of creators of fiction a long time ago, because if I only consumed fiction from people that exactly fit my ideology I'd run out of stuff to read real fast.

[mtnbkr]

Legit offer...
If you want to watch the movies, I have a region-free BluRay box set I ordered from the UK back when you couldn't get it here in the US. I thought the kids might like it, but they didn't get into it. I watched about half of the set, but don't feel compelled to finish it (the movies were fine, just kind of lost interest).

Anyway, should you want to scratch that itch, I have the appropriate scratching implement. Say the word and I'll send them your way to keep for as long as it takes to watch them all.

Chris



I'm going to out myself...



I've never read a Harry Potter book.



Nor seen a Harry Potter movie.


I feel so ashamed...

[mtnbkr]

The flip side of this is because I'm a conservative-ish gun owner, I gave up caring about the political beliefs of creators of fiction a long time ago, because if I only consumed fiction from people that exactly fit my ideology I'd run out of stuff to read real fast.
There's always Matt Bracken revenge porn.

Chris

[blues]

Legit offer...
If you want to watch the movies, I have a region-free BluRay box set I ordered from the UK back when you couldn't get it here in the US. I thought the kids might like it, but they didn't get into it. I watched about half of the set, but don't feel compelled to finish it (the movies were fine, just kind of lost interest).

Anyway, should you want to scratch that itch, I have the appropriate scratching implement. Say the word and I'll send them your way to keep for as long as it takes to watch them all.

Chris

Thanks, Chris. I feel it safe to say that that is a non-existent itch requiring no scratch. But I'm sure someone else more worthy would put them to good use.

Thanks, though.

[Trooper224]

I'm going to out myself...



I've never read a Harry Potter book.



Nor seen a Harry Potter movie.


I feel so ashamed...



You don't have to shoulder that burden alone.

[Darth_Uno]

The flip side of this is because I'm a conservative-ish gun owner, I gave up caring about the political beliefs of creators of fiction a long time ago, because if I only consumed fiction from people that exactly fit my ideology I'd run out of stuff to read real fast.

Same. I read a lot of sci-fi. Most newer authors wouldn’t go for Heinlein’s libertarian paradise. And sure, evil megacorps are a sci-fi trope staple. I can buy that. Even a few offhand anti-capitalist comments I can handle. It’s when the author (via the main character) goes on a rant that I lose interest.

If the author just rants on their blog then I a) don’t care, and b) won’t see it anyway.

[BehindBlueI's]

I've never read a Harry Potter book.

Nor seen a Harry Potter movie.



Me either.

[olstyn]

This thread is decidedly less sporting without Medusa around :D

I must have picked the wrong (or right?) time to not be paying attention to p-f, because I completely missed whatever led to her banning. I remember seeing some fairly heated discussion going on, and then a few days later, I noticed her name in a thread with "banned" under it and thought "hm, I wonder what exactly happened." I assume it was related, but I never saw whatever exact offense she apparently committed.

[RevolverRob]

Actually, the movies and books are quite enjoyable.

I watched all the movies first and enjoyed them all. I enjoyed them all, because I didn't read the books first (so many people complained, "the books are better"). I rolled my eyes at that and enjoyed each and every film for what they are...movies. And then I read the books and enjoyed them all for what they are...books.

If you like fantasy fiction then the Harry Potter series are great reads even if they are "kid's books". My father read them all, multiple times and enjoyed them. However, if you're not into fantasy fiction, you can skip them. And if you enjoy fantasy fiction the movies are a lot of fun.

I guess I can understand why some folks were hurt if they are big fans of following the post-completion 'canon' weaving done by Rowling (I have never bothered and never will), we all have our fictional fandoms - So I can understand that some folks are big Harry Pottery and subsequently J.K. Rowling fans.

Well...I guess I can understand the latter. While I have copies of almost everything Larry Correia has written, I don't have everything and have given up on his fantasy series, because I found it verbose and boring. And I don't religiously follow Larry on social media or even read his blog that regularly, because I don't care much what Larry has to say as a person, I prefer his fiction. Even though Larry and I are often aligned politically, I find his tone in his personal writing to be a bit...off-putting. No big deal, I'll still buy his books and read and enjoy them, because I can separate my enjoyment of something from the producer of it.

In fact...I've done exactly that in my new book: Harry Potter and Not Giving a Shit About What J.K. Rowling Says.

[Trooper224]

I must have picked the wrong (or right?) time to not be paying attention to p-f, because I completely missed whatever led to her banning. I remember seeing some fairly heated discussion going on, and then a few days later, I noticed her name in a thread with "banned" under it and thought "hm, I wonder what exactly happened." I assume it was related, but I never saw whatever exact offense she apparently committed.

Victim culture doesn't go around here.

[Greg]

Add me to the list of HP know nothings.

The left often eats its own.

[RevolverRob]

I must have picked the wrong (or right?) time to not be paying attention to p-f, because I completely missed whatever led to her banning. I remember seeing some fairly heated discussion going on, and then a few days later, I noticed her name in a thread with "banned" under it and thought "hm, I wonder what exactly happened." I assume it was related, but I never saw whatever exact offense she apparently committed.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?42908-Serious-Should-we-have-a-quot-serious-quot-tag-for-non-humorous-serious-discussions

[blues]

Victim culture doesn't go around here.

Savvy?

[olstyn]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?42908-Serious-Should-we-have-a-quot-serious-quot-tag-for-non-humorous-serious-discussions

Huh, that was decidedly less dramatic than I was expecting given the past history in question, albeit very much in line with my guess that it was a "mods are tired of it" situation. Thanks for the link.

[Coyotesfan97]

Savvy?

Yeah I heard you the first time. :D

[Totem Polar]

Neither here nor there, but: my wife has read all the books, as they rolled out, once. She therefore was interested in seeing all the movies, as they rolled out, once. Of course, I got to see the movies with her, as they rolled out, once.

Without reading the books, I felt that the movies were a bit of a god-awful lengthy acid trip. These heretofore unseen characters would appear out of nowhere and fill the screen for 12 seconds, and the whole audience would cheer. I’d turn to the artist formerly known as Mrs. Sidheshooter, and inquire “who the fuck was that guy supposed to be?!?”

“Oh, that’s a really important part of the book... if you’d read them, you’d get why, and why they could skip it in the movie...”

Uh, Ok. I felt like a Somali immigrant in a room full of gen-xers discussing Molly Ringwald and John Hughes films or Santa Claus or something.

Fortunately, as fate would have it, the second run theater here is also home to one of the better craft cocktail bars in the inland NW. All those Harry Potter films became perfectly acceptable after three Sazeracs.

[RevolverRob]

Neither here nor there, but: my wife has read all the books, as they rolled out, once. She therefore was interested in seeing all the movies, as they rolled out, once. Of course, I got to see the movies with her, as they rolled out, once.

Without reading the books, I felt that the movies were a bit of a god-awful lengthy acid trip. These heretofore unseen characters would appear out of nowhere and fill the screen for 12 seconds, and the whole audience would cheer. I’d turn to the artist formerly known as Mrs. Sidheshooter, and inquire “who the fuck was that guy supposed to be?!?”

“Oh, that’s a really important part of the book... if you’d read them, you’d get why, and why they could skip it in the movie...”

Uh, Ok. I felt like a Somali immigrant in a room full of gen-xers discussing Molly Ringwald and John Hughes films or Santa Claus or something.

Fortunately, as fate would have it, the second run theater here is also home to one of the better craft cocktail bars in the inland NW. All those Harry Potter films became perfectly acceptable after three Sazeracs.

Ah, this is why I never went on opening week to any of the movies, the superfans went early. I would always go see them in the second or third week of the running.

It was delightful to read the books after watching all of the films. Because when a character appeared in the book, I had an actor's face to put with it. There aren't quite as many characters in Harry Potter as Tolkein had in Lord of the Rings or as Tolstoy had in War and Peace, but Rowling wasn't fucking around with the character count. And having an face-based Rolodex in my head made reading the books more enjoyable (and frankly easier, as the books become significant more dense later on). I didn't have to imagine what Dumbledore looked like...he clearly looks like Michael Gambon with a long beard...

And due, I'm pretty sure Somalis have Santa Claus. I mean they probably call him "Captain Claus of the T.A.S.* Shipping Funded Piracy." - But there is a Santa.**

*The Anarchists' Ship, duh.

**That's not a racist statement...just an Ethnographic bias to imply all Somalis are anarchist pirates. :eek:

[Darth_Uno]

.....we all have our fictional fandoms -


I’d turn to the artist formerly known as Mrs. Sidheshooter, and inquire “who the fuck was that guy supposed to be?!?”


I was that way with MCU. I knew all the nerdy Easter eggs, and the D-list characters with 5 second cameos.

At the same time, I was a comic nerd when I was a kid (and adult). These are my guys. It'd be a huge slap in the face if these heroes, who a lot of guys really did look up to to an extent, did a 180 on the values we associate with them.

[JAD]

I read all of the HP books and watched the first 7 movies, several of them over and over with my boy who is a big fan. We like fantasy around here, and Rowling's milieu is pretty well put together.

I have checked carefully for significant allegory in HP, thinking of how my son would view it, and viewing it in the lens of the Middle Earth stuff which is some of the most profound religious allegory ever written, and the Narnia stuff which is more allegorical and less profound (and thus a really, really good thing for a kid to start reading at 9, which he has).

I honestly am not sure there's much to tease out of there. Rowling doesn't seem to actually stand for much in and of herself, and there isn't much projected in the books that I can tell. There's a good solid pile of ethics and reasonable social instruction, and there really isn't anything objectionable. It's just fine -- good entertainment with nothing too heavy that I have to sit down and talk to the boy about. Daniel Tiger was more problematic.

Given the incredible popularity of spectacular filth like Game of Thrones, I'm happy enough that the Potter books and movies are interesting to my kid and at least mostly harmless. I'm not super concerned with the author's comments outside the work, because I've raised the boy to not take stuff like that too seriously.

[ccmdfd]

Wow. These hurtful comments include;

"When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth,” she wrote.


And

“If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives.”

Taken from: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/10/jk-rowling-says-survivor-of-domestic-abuse-sexual-assault

That sure is some serious, hard core ultra right wing hate speech right there (sarc)

[Greg]

I formally nominate RevolverRob to be our new KweenOfWoke . :cool:

[RevolverRob]

I formally nominate RevolverRob to be our new KweenOfWoke . :cool:

NOT IT.

[Totem Polar]

And due, I'm pretty sure Somalis have Santa Claus.

“Krampusnacht in Somalia” would be a great album name.

[MistWolf]

Yeah, it seems in Russia lately that you somehow fall from a high window instead. :eek:

The Department of Defenestration has promised to look into that.

[Lex Luthier]

“Krampusnacht in Somalia” would be a great album name.

I can see half of the Somali-related guys under 35 suddenly change their Twitter handles to "#BlackPeter".

Some of them would definitely enjoy the joke.

[Wondering Beard]

The Department of Defenestration has promised to look into that.

Yeah, but they're all Czechs and the Russians don't trust them.

[MistWolf]

Yeah, but they're all Czechs and the Russians don't trust them.

Trust me- They'll be Russian to Czech

[Baldanders]

I actually really like the analogy to the sense of betrayal gun owners had over the S&W Clinton Deal/Internal Lock, actually. My generation really grew up with the HP books. I was a little old for them, at least I felt that way, but the first book came out when a lot of my generation were basically the same age as the protagonists. They aged with these books, watched all the movies, and like someone said earlier, found comfort in them if they were part of a marginalized community.

Now, especially if you're trans, this has to feel like a massive betrayal. Being trans is hard enough as is, and if you really care about A Thing, it's probably really tough to have the creator of that thing tell you that you don't matter, or whatever the hell Rowling did. So I can, in abstract, understand why people are mad.

The flip side of this is because I'm a conservative-ish gun owner, I gave up caring about the political beliefs of creators of fiction a long time ago, because if I only consumed fiction from people that exactly fit my ideology I'd run out of stuff to read real fast.

I see this a possible warning to fiction writers about keeping some distance between themselves and fan communities. If Rowling hadn't been so involved in providing "Word of God" (As TV Tropes would say) pronouncements about her fictional world (especially the whole Dumbledore thing) I doubt this would be as much of a thing.

(Obilgatory Baldie Heinlein reference= The Dean kept the fan community at a distance for a reason.....)

Who am I kidding? I'm just here to post this image of The Antichrist (Harry Potter) vs. God (Mary Poppins) in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Harry wipes out Hogwarts Columbine-style just a bit earlier.

55990

Me, I like reading authors who I can "argue" with, as well as draw inspiration from.

I don't read Moore for his alignment with my ideas, that's for sure.

[Totem Polar]

Trust me- They'll be Russian to Czech

I see what you did there.

OT, but, y’all know that I’m a musician, right? I have a really good Russian sound engineer that I like to use... and a Czech one, too

Czech, one, two...

Ch-ch-Czech! One, two!

:D

[BehindBlueI's]

I see what you did there.

OT, but, y’all know that I’m a musician, right? I have a really good Russian sound engineer that I like to use... and a Czech one, too

Czech, one, two...

Ch-ch-Czech! One, two!

:D

Reminds me of the novice backpackers, one from Russia and one from Czechoslovakia, who were eaten by a mated pair of grizzlies. Fish & Wildlife found the female and remnants of the Russian were in her stomach. They could only conclude the Czech was in the male.

[Wondering Beard]

I see what you did there.

OT, but, y’all know that I’m a musician, right? I have a really good Russian sound engineer that I like to use... and a Czech one, too

Czech, one, two...

Ch-ch-Czech! One, two!

:D

Is that a Russian two step?

[Casual Friday]

I just try to separate the work of the actor/author from their politics and enjoy the movies, tv shows and books as entertainment. Mention liking the movie Heat, and some Sean Hannity type blowhard has to bring up De Niro's politics. I just want to enjoy a cinematic masterpiece. I'm not trying to be his roommate.

[blues]

https://youtu.be/_rIYXfztyxA

[Totem Polar]

Reminds me of the novice backpackers, one from Russia and one from Czechoslovakia, who were eaten by a mated pair of grizzlies. Fish & Wildlife found the female and remnants of the Russian were in her stomach. They could only conclude the Czech was in the male.

Did you hear that they got the got the male the next year after he mauled and ate an avid historian with a huge library? The big Griz ran right by his spouse-who is an award-winning author. Didn't seem to surprise the F&G officers, who noted that readers digest and writers cramp.

[BehindBlueI's]

Did you hear that they got the got the male the next year after he mauled and ate an avid historian with a huge library? The big Griz ran right by his spouse-who is an award-winning author. Didn't seem to surprise the F&G officers, who noted that readers digest and writers cramp.

I just want you to know this post caused me physical pain and, despite that, I can only be impressed by your dedication to this gag.

[blues]

https://youtu.be/3wRVVGQTp_I

[Wondering Beard]

I just want you to know this post caused me physical pain and, despite that, I can only be impressed by your dedication to this gag.

Thank you for bearing that load.

[ccmdfd]

Reminds me of the novice backpackers, one from Russia and one from Czechoslovakia, who were eaten by a mated pair of grizzlies. Fish & Wildlife found the female and remnants of the Russian were in her stomach. They could only conclude the Czech was in the male.

Also,
The male got stuck with the Czech for dinner.

[blues]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/cD7PLGE1KWOhG/source.gif

[Borderland]

I can’t believe I clicked on a Vox link.

Damn, and I got the church crowd telling me to blacklist her after she made Dumbledore gay? Which is it? Maybe - and this is gonna sound crazy but hear me out - you should just enjoy a product without giving a rip about the creator’s personal opinions.

Dixie Chicks.

[RevolverRob]

Dixie Chicks.

He said enjoy the product.

If there was never anything to enjoy - it doesn’t matter.

Compared to the Dixie Chicks, Harry Potter is high-fucking-art. Like Da Vinci vs. a first semester art school drop out.

[Borderland]

He said enjoy the product.

If there was never anything to enjoy - it doesn’t matter.

Compared to the Dixie Chicks, Harry Potter is high-fucking-art. Like Da Vinci vs. a first semester art school drop out.

I'll take your word for it. My wife is reading the entire series, about 5 volumes I think. I can't read. :D

[Borderland]

I am not fully read up on it, but I think a lot of it comes down to a feeling of betrayal.

J.K. Rowling wrote a series where love and acceptance are core themes, and that emphasizes that bigotry is wrong. She has been fairly active in social media, adding additional "context" to her books by saying that various characters were gay (I am not spun up on the details), but it was generally taken as support for the LGBT+ community.

Her statements about Trans folks are not in line with the current best understanding of those issues within the community, and are being taken by trans folks as an attack on the core of who they are. Again, I am not fully spun up on the issues, but there are more than a few folks who grew up with the books that she wrote as a source of comfort, and who are now feeling personally attacked. It's not stuff I understand, but if you are Trans, this stuff really matters to you.

If you want a rough analogy, think about what happened when S&W decided to make a deal with the devil and install internal locks.

Ah jeez, that's just way too graphic. Have you no sense of decency?

[Baldanders]

He said enjoy the product.

If there was never anything to enjoy - it doesn’t matter.

Compared to the Dixie Chicks, Harry Potter is high-fucking-art. Like Da Vinci vs. a first semester art school drop out.

Philistine.

"Goodbye Earl" is a classic.

Then again, I wouldn't expect a Yankee to understand. 🤠

[Tamara]

At the same time, I was a comic nerd when I was a kid (and adult). These are my guys. It'd be a huge slap in the face if these heroes, who a lot of guys really did look up to to an extent, did a 180 on the values we associate with them.

Hail Hydra!

[jetfire]

Hail Hydra!

I understood that reference

[WobblyPossum]

Hail Hydra!

How much of a nerd does it make me that I thought the same thing after reading Darth_Uno’s post?

[Trooper224]

I suffered through Harry Potter due to my wife. It wasn't as bad as Twilight, but I wasn't a fan. I'm a lover of fantasy, but Lord of the Rings was more my jam, with swords, armored combat and end of the world angst. People waving magic wands and flying around on brooms doesn't do it for me. When people become so fanatical about a subject it's usually because they're using it to fill a hole in their lives. Rather than become so distraught when the creator of your magic unicorn winds up being less than perfect, it's better to examine why you're so fanatical to begin with.

[Borderland]

I suffered through Harry Potter due to my wife. It wasn't as bad as Twilight, but I wasn't a fan. I'm a lover of fantasy, but Lord of the Rings was more my jam, with swords, armored combat and end of the world angst. People waving magic wands and flying around on brooms doesn't do it for me. When people become so fanatical about a subject it's usually because they're using it to fill a hole in their lives. Rather than become so distraught when the creator of your magic unicorn winds up being less than perfect, it's better to examine why you're so fanatical to begin with.

You should get some hate mail from that one. :D

[Wondering Beard]

When people become so fanatical about a subject it's usually because they're using it to fill a hole in their lives. Rather than become so distraught when the creator of your magic unicorn winds up being less than perfect, it's better to examine why you're so fanatical to begin with.

Short version of the above: when you grow up, you should realize it's not about you.

[Darth_Uno]

Hail Hydra!


How much of a nerd does it make me that I thought the same thing after reading Darth_Uno’s post?

Yeah but between Skrulls, cloning, cyborgs, time travel, and the multiverse, I didn’t believe for a minute the real Cap was a Hydra agent.

[Baldanders]

Hail Hydra!
Cut off a limb and another will take it's place!

[Baldanders]

I suffered through Harry Potter due to my wife. It wasn't as bad as Twilight, but I wasn't a fan. I'm a lover of fantasy, but Lord of the Rings was more my jam, with swords, armored combat and end of the world angst. People waving magic wands and flying around on brooms doesn't do it for me. When people become so fanatical about a subject it's usually because they're using it to fill a hole in their lives. Rather than become so distraught when the creator of your magic unicorn winds up being less than perfect, it's better to examine why you're so fanatical to begin with.

My wife loves LOR.

Too cheery for me.

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I need a series were the protagonist shaves every morning with his Zweihander/Executioner's Sword Terminus Est by keeping the blade upright while he moves his face against it.

He wears fuligin, the color that is darker than black.

Also features steeds that move at 60 mph or so.