Beretta 92 Elite LTT Compact vs. Sig p229 Legion?

[mhl6493]

Though I’m a long-time lurker, this is actually my first post - at least that I can remember. I’ve hesitated to post much previously, because it’s obvious to me that the level of knowledge of folks here is way above my pay grade. I just haven’t felt that I had anything of substance to add, and it can be a bit intimidating. But I do have a question I’d like to ask in order to tap into some of the knowledge that’s here.

A brief background. I’m 51 years old but only got into handguns about 5 years ago. In that time I’ve run the gamut looking for the “perfect carry gun” for me. I’ve been through striker-fired guns, 1911s, and DA/SA guns. I see advantages/disadvantages to each platform and like them all. From reading and listening to Ernest Langdon’s material, though, I’m beginning to lean more firmly toward DA/SA. He makes a pretty good case.

A while back I got a Sig Legion p229 9mm and have been carrying it quite a bit. Though not perfect for me (I can’t easily manipulate the mag or slide release), it’s a fantastic gun that has a lot going for it. I’ve recently considered getting a Beretta 92 Elite Compact directly from Langdon Tactical (trigger job, spartan sights, maybe np3 - not sure). I’ve gone back and forth about it, and I’m still not sure. It looks like a fantastic handgun.

My question is, for those with experience with both, how would the LTT compact compare to the Legion? Are there advantages or disadvantages to the Beretta decocker, etc? Is there anything specific I need to be thinking about?

I’m really close to ordering one, but before I spend that kind of money, I thought it might be good to pick the collective brain of Pistol Forum. I really have learned a lot from hanging out here, and I’m sure that will continue. Thanks!

[45dotACP]

I'll be the enabler here...

The trigger on the Langdon Beretta I own is far and above the best DA/SA trigger I've ever used.

Never shot a legion Sig personally so I don't know how the controls compare, but I never had difficulty with my Berettas...full size or compact.

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[GJM]

On PF the 92, and especially the LTT, is very popular because of Ernest and all his hard work. The Sig is incredibly unpopular because of Sig’s leader.

That aside, despite being similar in size and in their trigger systems, they have very different ergonomics, and I would encourage you to see which works best for you.

[JSGlock34]

I own a LTT Elite 92G and a Brigadier Tactical 92G that was tuned by Ernest. I've done some of my best shooting with these pistols - I'm definitely a Pizzagun fan.

That said, were I to commit to DA/SA pistols again, I'd give Langdon Tactical's PX4 series a serious look. The compact 92s aren't terribly compact and I find them the least compelling models in the 92 lineup, whereas the PX4 CC is a lot of pistol in a small package. Also, I've found the highly tuned 92s with light hammer springs to have great triggers but they can also be picky about what ammunition they'll reliably ignite. The PX4s don't seem to suffer from this problem.

No wrong answer here - any LTT Beretta is a solid choice.

[MGW]

Is there anything you don’t like about the Sig? Do you think you would benefit from taking a class before switching guns? Do you mind buying another set of holsters, mag pouches, and magazines.

The 229 and 92 compact can both be really great pistols. I personally feel like the Beretta shoots a little softer and carries a little easier. I haven’t not owned an LTT compact but all the LTTs I’ve shot have felt a little more refined than any of the Legions I’ve shot.

I’ve put a lot of rounds through Sigs and Berettas. I’ve taken classes with both platforms and really enjoyed shooting both. They accomplish the same thing in slightly different ways. Really it’ll come down to personal preference. If you like to train and don’t mind putting the time and effort into learning to shoot a Beretta well I think you will really like it. They’re pretty bulletproof and on the outside chance that you have an issue you’ll get great customer service.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

[Default.mp3]

It's gonna be a lot more difficult to mount an RDS on a 92 than a P229, would be my first concern, short of using a dovetail mount.

[beenalongtime]

The LTT guns have some differences. That said, I would rent a regular one (expect those would be easier to find then an LTT at the rental place), and just check general ergonomics for you. The trigger won't compare, the LTT will be less "sharp", but it should give you a good comparison.

While you might choose a metal gun, I would also recommend trying the PX4. The lighter weight, and already rounded design, along with how well it shoots, might be something to consider as well.
While those with experience can pass on what they know (I was supposed to borrow a friends 229 before this all hit), you still will benefit from hands on greatly.

[Medusa]

You didn’t mention being left handed, but one of several reasons i really like the 92 series is the ambi decocker, which is nice as well when i am shooting weak hand only. That’s why i never looked seriously at the Sig DA / SA guns. Then too, Langdon’s triggers are excellent and you have a first class place to obtain the weapon and have it serviced, so. That’s my experience, and i have owned 92s for many many years and i shoot them a lot - but GJM, who like many here has forgotten more than i will ever know, has it right, handle them both and see.

[OlongJohnson]

I have an M11-A1, which is basically a rail-less P229. It was assembled with a nickel-plated sear from the factory, and has broken in (with a little deburring and smoothing out of the box to help it along) to have the best DA press of any DA/SA pistol I own. And not by a little. I thought my P226 was good, but after focusing on the M11-A1, the P226 feels like there's something wrong with it. I particularly like the M11 with some Sig-branded Hogue G10 grips; the Legion should have the same basic geometry, just a different texture pattern, so you're good there.

Just for fun, try a few boxes of Winchester White Box 115gr ammo and see if your P229 extracts it reliably. My M11 has issues with the defective extractor groove geometry on a lot of WWB cases.

I haven't messed with any LTT guns. I have had a couple factory DAO pizza guns. Nice, but not on the level of the Sig for smoothness. I have a Wilson trigger bar kit (springs are included) to try in the 92D Centurion I acquired recently, but it's been sitting in the safe while I do other stuff.

I've gone back to back in the LGS with the 92 Compact and a USP Compact. The 92 FS feels great to me, but the Compact just feels weird and awkward in my hand. I think the reason is the kick-out on the front strap. The USPc feels very good, just right in my hands. It's what I'm focusing on right now. It's so far more reliable than the M11, as it has had zero failures. Round count isn't high enough for that to be a brag yet. It's also considerably thinner than the M11 at the top of the grip, which helps with concealment. The P229 grip is actually ~0.1 inch thicker across the part of the grip that covers the decocker pivot than the P226. And with X-Grip adaptors, USPc mag options range from 10 to 20 rounds.

[Doc_Glock]

With a short travel trigger I think I prefer the Legion trigger.

I prefer the Legion grip, but dislike the really tall slide.

I prefer the 92 decockers and slide release.

The 92 carries smaller.

There isn’t a bad answer. I would encourage you to check out the full grip 92s rather
than the compact as they conceal amazingly well, on a par with a 229 easily.

Ultimately, I own four 92 variants and zero Sigs. But that is total personal preference.

You should rent both before deciding. If you love the 226, the common holsters etc should sway you to the 229.

[LOKNLOD]

I own a LTT Elite 92G and a Brigadier Tactical 92G that was tuned by Ernest. I've done some of my best shooting with these pistols - I'm definitely a Pizzagun fan.

That said, were I to commit to DA/SA pistols again, I'd give Langdon Tactical's PX4 series a serious look. The compact 92s aren't terribly compact and I find them the least compelling models in the 92 lineup, whereas the PX4 CC is a lot of pistol in a small package. Also, I've found the highly tuned 92s with light hammer springs to have great triggers but they can also be picky about what ammunition they'll reliably ignite. The PX4s don't seem to suffer from this problem.

No wrong answer here - any LTT Beretta is a solid choice.

Good advice. I have them all and despite being really jazzed to get a compact to accompany my full size LTT I'm not overwhelmingly enamored with it yet. PX4 punches above its weight class.

[spence]

I'm a long ways from an expert. Just some idiot that likes to shoot. I can't cite much experience with Sigs, but I'm not a huge fan, especially at their price point.

I actually just got rid of the 92 Compact I had. It was very "Landonized", LTT grips, G kit, oversize mag catch, TJIB. Was a super nice gun, but I found myself wanting to stick with all full size grip pistols in 92's. This means as of this week I'm now EDCing my LTT Centurion, my M9 is about to take a back seat because I'm also going to primarily railed pistols. Got to pick up another LTT frame this weekend and making a bit of a Frankengun out of it.

Anyhow, the 92 compact is great, but it's really not all that terribly compact. I'd say take a gander at a Centurion, or as was mentioned check out a PX4 compact. I've got one of those, too, and it's a great carry size. For me, still a bit of gut going on, to carry it AIWB, I really need a full size PX4 holster so I doesn't fall out of my pants. However, for what they are, I really like the little guy.

[03RN]

229 vs Beretta compact? Pick one. There really isnt a substantial difference in their size or function.

There are some obvious differences in their form though. I prefer berettas. I think they're easier to work on, faster to shoot, have better triggers, and i just like them more.

Sig metal guns are solid though and like another poster stated will be easier to get a rds mounted lower which might be important to you.

[claymore504]

You have a great handgun with that P229 legion. The LTT pistols are the apex of the 92 series, so that would be an excellent choice as well. For me, out of those two I would pick the LTT Compact based on a few personal reasons. The major reason for me is my hand size. I have a P229 and with slim G10 grips and short reach trigger, the trigger reach on the DA pull is ok for me, but not ideal. With the 92 Compact Inox I own I have installed LTT grips and a WC short reach trigger. The reach is much better for me on the DA pull. My 92 compact also has a TJIB, so the trigger is outstanding. I have a G conversion kit that I am installing next as well.

So, to be honest I have a 92 Elite LTT full size along with other 92 series handguns. I have a Sig P229, MK25 and standard P226. Out of those I am more accurate with the MK25, but not by much. However, I also own several CZ P09 pistols and a P07. I shoot those more accurately with les effort that any of the Beretta or Sigs I own.

I guess in the end are you looking to replace the P229 Legion if you get an LTT? i f the Legion works for you just run and train with it. Get an LTT as well if you want one. You cant go wrong.

[Austin Millbarge]

I have both and by far the Langdon gun has a much better trigger. I find the 92 compact is a little too small for my hand, so I prefer the Centurion. If the compact fits your hand I’d go with that over a Legion.

I also have the LTT PX4 Compact, and it’s been my go to for off duty carry for a while now. Flawless function, and with the new LTT trigger bar it’s even better.

[BehindBlueI's]

If you love the 226, the common holsters etc should sway you to the 229.

My P229s' slides are slightly wider then my P226/P220 slides. IIRC, it's only .1" wider, but it is enough so that a tight fitting holster may not be compatible.

[Borderland]

I just sold a p229. I like Sigs and still have a p239. The p229 just didn't fit my hand that well and I never could shoot it. I think I'm moving to HK for anymore pistols. I just purchased an HK45 and I like it yugely. Very fantastic and amazing.

[BehindBlueI's]

I like "classic" Sigs and every DA/SA gun I own is a Sig P-series. I didn't particularly care for the Legion, personally. I like the grips and controls, but do not care for the sights or the trigger. A standard Short Reset Trigger and Sig's custom shop "action enhancement package" has had very good results for me. I have nothing against Beretta, I just don't want to bother with the logistics of another type of pistol. More magazines, more holsters, more spare spring kits, etc.

[LockedBreech]

I honestly like both of the guns listed, but if value for dollar is part of the calculation, Beretta is the easy winner. That disparity is especially flagrant in the base models, as a $550-600 92-series is easily the quality equal of an $800-900 P-series.

Also, just as an editorial note in terms of longevity, it seems like Sig is nudging aside their classic series every year to allow for the higher profit margins on the P320 series. Less classic P-series every year, the P220 is all-but-discontinued except for high end models, and it feels like the P-series guns days are numbered. Which is a damn shame. Whereas the 92-series is undergoing a renaissance and is not going anywhere anytime soon. Things to consider for future accessory and holster availability.

I'd choose the Italian, but as my sig line shows (hah, my sig line) I'm not exactly neutral here.

[mhl6493]

Also, just as an editorial note in terms of longevity, it seems like Sig is nudging aside their classic series every year to allow for the higher profit margins on the P320 series. Less classic P-series every year, the P220 is all-but-discontinued except for high end models, and it feels like the P-series guns days are numbered. Which is a damn shame. Whereas the 92-series is undergoing a renaissance and is not going anywhere anytime soon. Things to consider for future accessory and holster availability.

I've noticed that, and I agree - that's a shame. Definitely something to consider when one is evaluating things.

Thanks to all of you for your feedback so far. As expected, you've given me a lot to think about, and I appreciate it.

[45dotACP]

I have nothing against Beretta, I just don't want to bother with the logistics of another type of pistol. More magazines, more holsters, more spare spring kits, etc.

This is why I basically don't buy any guns besides 1911s and Beretta 92s lately.

I've briefly considered the PX4 series but every time I think about another holster, five more mags and all the other parts to upgrade I stop considering.

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[Bucky]

This is why I basically don't buy any guns besides 1911s and Beretta 92s lately.

I've briefly considered the PX4 series but every time I think about another holster, five more mags and all the other parts to upgrade I stop considering.

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Yeah, Beretta never did get that mag compatibility concept. The PX4 did need a wider magazine if it wanted to be competitive in the .40 world (which was more popular when that gun was released), but then the go an release the APX with yet a different magazine. :rolleyes:

[HCountyGuy]

I’ll add to the “give the PX4” a shot. An LTT PX4 is what a Sig Legion wishes it could be (or should have been) IMO. With the OP Trigger bar now basically giving the PX4 an even better reset than a P22X series with SRT I’d say it’s not even a competition between the two manufacturers.

Sig QC remains fairly spotty from what I’ve gathered, plus fuck Cohen and the company’s shady practices of late.

[mhl6493]

Sig QC remains fairly spotty from what I’ve gathered, plus fuck Cohen and the company’s shady practices of late.

I wasn't aware of that. I knew that Cohen's reputation when he was with Kimber was less than stellar, but I hadn't heard anything about any shady practices since he's been at Sig. I'll do some digging. Thanks!

[JTQ]

Yeah, Beretta never did get that mag compatibility concept. The PX4 did need a wider magazine if it wanted to be competitive in the .40 world (which was more popular when that gun was released), but then the go an release the APX with yet a different magazine. :rolleyes:
I see this complaint a lot on forums, but I often wonder "compared to what"? Heck, I don't think you can't even use the same mags in all SIG P229 variants, let alone in an SP2022 or a P320.

The 92/PX4/APX are all different guns. Logistially, it may be helpful if they all used the same mags, but I wouldn't have expected them too.

If design and technology moves along and they develop a better mag, I'm all for that rather than having a gun introduced in 2020 saddled with a mag design from 1980.

[David S.]

Specific to your OP. ASSUMING it's running reliably, it depends on if you're willing to put up with your ergonomic issues. You could try moving your mag release to the strong hand side and engage it with your trigger or middle finger. You could try engaging the slide catch with weak hand. Would the E2 grips reduce grip circumference and solve your reach problem?

Get a Beretta if you want to be one of the cool kids. Keep the SIG if you don't mind folks telling how much your gun sucks, and Cohen.

Non specifics.
Ergonomics. Some folks normal hand position decocks the P22X unintentionally. Some folks normal hand position engages the slide catch lever, preventing slide lock on an empty mag. If you don't have that problem, then I don't see that as a reason to change.

Red dot. LTT is developing a RDS mount for the 92 series. Like everything else they're doing, I'm sure it will be solid. It will also be untested by the broader market. There are thousands of TDA SIGs out there with RDS. It's established and just about any shop can do them.

I've "read" the finish on Legion series is weak.

Grayguns, The Sig Armorer, and I'm sure several other operations are offering upgrading SIG triggers.

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I like the CZ P-07 and PX4 for this size too. My Personal Experience of two each, others report differently: The triggers on MY CZ's were awful and grip texture is tolerable. The PX4 is the opposite. It needs more texture, but the trigger is pretty good with an inexpensive spring change.

[tlong17]

Get a Beretta if you want to be one of the cool kids. Keep the SIG if you don't mind folks telling how much your gun sucks, and Cohen.

This is spot on, lol.

[LockedBreech]

I see this complaint a lot on forums, but I often wonder "compared to what"? Heck, I don't think you can't even use the same mags in all SIG P229 variants, let alone in an SP2022 or a P320.

The 92/PX4/APX are all different guns. Logistially, it may be helpful if they all used the same mags, but I wouldn't have expected them too.

If design and technology moves along and they develop a better mag, I'm all for that rather than having a gun introduced in 2020 saddled with a mag design from 1980.

To me the gold standard for doing this right is HK. They developed a nearly perfect pistol mag for the P30 and made it work in the completely different VP9.

It's not something I expect, necessarily, but would have been a nice feature in the APX, since I have a zillion 92 mags. Then again, I got my APX for $324, and I'm definitely not complaining about the quality of gun I got for that much money. Even if it does look fugly as all hell.

[JTQ]

To me the gold standard for doing this right is HK. They developed a nearly perfect pistol mag for the P30 and made it work in the completely different VP9.

Yes, but what if HK was still trying to use the polymer mag from the full size USP 9/40 in the P30 and VP9? You wouldn't have ended up with that nearly perfect P30 mag.

I'm sure there were folks complaining when the P30 was introduced that they couldn't use their USP mags in the P30 and how dumb HK was for doing that. They changed out the mag, and HK fans ended up with a better mag, and guns with smaller grip circumference.

[farscott]

Others have hinted at a difference, but I think it needs to be said. The customer service and quality control of LTT are above and beyond whereas SIG's service and QC have been known to be less than stellar. That means choosing the LTT is much more likely to result in a pistol that runs out of the box. And, if there is an issue, LTT will make it right.

[Joe in PNG]

I'd go with the Beretta- and did, actually.

[Duces Tecum]

Regarding the PX-4, there have been several threads over the years. Here's one you might like:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?25341-Beretta-PX4-Storm-Underrated-is-an-Understatement!

Others are available by running a Search for PX-4.

[OlongJohnson]

To me the gold standard for doing this right is HK. They developed a nearly perfect pistol mag for the P30 and made it work in the completely different VP9.

Actually, they developed the mag for the USP Compact, used it in the P2000, then lengthened it for the P30 and also used that in the completely-different-but-basically-a-striker-fired-version-of-the-same-gun VP9. And it was really a smaller version of the USP45 mag.

Also, Glock has done OK using different-length versions of the same mag that work in pretty much all their pistols of a given caliber.

And even Sig shares mags and grip modules between the P250 and P320, which have completely different actions.

[JTQ]

Also, Glock has done OK using different-length versions of the same mag that work in pretty much all their pistols of a given caliber.

Well, they basically only make one gun, just in different sizes and calibers.

[mhl6493]

Regarding the PX-4, there have been several threads over the years. Here's one you might like:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?25341-Beretta-PX4-Storm-Underrated-is-an-Understatement!

Others are available by running a Search for PX-4.

Thanks! I’ll check those threads out. The PX-4 has never been on my radar at all. It just looks so... unique :o But it sounds like when you get past the looks, it’s very effective. There’s just a certain elegance about the 92 Compact that appeals to me.

[Medusa]

One thing I meant to add is, I’ve owned 92s for over two decades, have four 92 variants, three being LTTs I got from LTT and two Px4Ccs also from LTT, and the fourth 92 having had LTT trigger work since around the turn of the century. The one I carry every day now is the LTT 92c. They are all excellent and as i and several have mentioned LTT is a great place to deal with.

[newt]

Another plus for the Beretta. I pretty much started out in SIGs with old P228's which I really loved. Did the armorer's class. Carried and shot for many years. This past year I bought my first Beretta in the age of Wilson/LTT. Now I've got three, and I LOVE my compact. It's a wilson compact with LTT TJIB. And it's just great. I've got one SIG P229 left, and it's just become a gift to a friend.

Newt

[mhl6493]

For those of you who got your 92 model directly from LTT, did you choose to go with the NP3 option? If so, what was the deciding factor for you?

[Medusa]

Yes. I wanted the extra corrosion resistance provided by NP3 because I’ve carried all of them at some point so there is perspiration to deal with, and we shoot matches and train in PNW rain. It’s nice to have. Essential, idk, but I’m really glad to have it. That’s my experience, ommv.

[farscott]

For those of you who got your 92 model directly from LTT, did you choose to go with the NP3 option? If so, what was the deciding factor for you?

I bought one of the three 92 LTT pistols I have with NP3 in the event I ever would carry it as I live in the humid southeast and have lots of experience going back to the 1990s with NP3.

[JTQ]

...I live in the humid southeast and have lots of experience going back to the 1990s with NP3.
Are there any lube/cleaning restrictions for NP3 coated parts. For instance, I seem to recall seeing something recently that Ballistol could damage NP3? I don't use Ballistol on my guns much any more, but I still have it around.

[Welder]

I'll join the crowd and say to consider the PX4 CC as well. The 92 Compacts are not really compact, they're just smaller than full-size. Somewhat smaller. A little smaller. Slightly smaller.

Anecdotally, the 92 Compact with the curved mag floorplate is the only pistol that I never had to practice with to get the sights to come to eye already in alignment....they just always do. I have no explanation for this, but it's incredibly reassuring. It's also the pistol whose magwell and magazine floorplates have done the most damage to the bottom of my strong hand's palm LOL. It hurts just thinking about it. My poor hand.

[Bucky]

I'll join the crowd and say to consider the PX4 CC as well. The 92 Compacts are not really compact, they're just smaller than full-size. Somewhat smaller. A little smaller. Slightly smaller.


I hear this a lot, and have to disagree. There is a reasonable difference in grip size.

[farscott]

Are there any lube/cleaning restrictions for NP3 coated parts. For instance, I seem to recall seeing something recently that Ballistol could damage NP3? I don't use Ballistol on my guns much any more, but I still have it around.

I am not aware of any cleaning chemicals that are not compatible with NP3; in fact, one of the pluses is the chemical resistance of the plated finish. NP3 has PTFE (Teflon) in the finish and has a high lubricity; it can be run with no lube if needed.

[JonInWA]

At one point in the 1990's I had most of the catalogued SIG pistols; I continue to like and respect them, but today there's an elegance and quality with the Beretta 92 series that I think provides an exceptioal value-and that's before you consider the magnificent options provided by Ernest Langdon and Wilson Combat to the series.

As others here have recommended, try both (and/or the PX4, etc.) and see which resonates best with you, but in this case I personally recommend Beretta.

Best, Jon

[Welder]

I hear this a lot, and have to disagree. There is a reasonable difference in grip size.

Absolutely, I'm OK with disagreeing, no hard feelings. I just put a caliper on a Compact and a full-size, measuring from the bottom of the magwell to the underside of the slide. 4.064" on the full-size and 3.652" on the Compact, for a 0.412" difference, or between 3/8" and 7/16". I get a sliver of my pinkie on a Compact grip without a mag inserted, and almost a full pinkie on a full-size. With a Compact with the curved mag floorplate, I still get a complete grip.

Nothing wrong with a 92 Compact, like I said, I own one, but don't be expecting a 'compact' pistol when you open the box, or you'll be disappointed. It's not a tiny 92, at least not to me. I used to have more of them, but I don't see where they really do enough things different than a full-size 92 to keep a bunch around.

However.

If I set a PX4 Compact (non CC, my PX4's are all pre-CC availability) upside down on the table by a 92 Compact, the mag end of the grips are the same height off of the table, but the trigger guard on the PX4 is further up the grip by a tenth of an inch or so, giving you a little more grip area for the rest of your hand. If I forget which gun I'm holding, I do still slam my hand on a quick PX4C mag change.

The big size difference in a PX4C and the 92 Compact is OAL, which honestly isn't as big of a deal for most carry unless we're talking AIWB with a shorter holster to match. By my caliper the PX4C is like 0.900" shorter than a 92 Compact, almost a full inch. Sight radius is 0.68" shorter than a 92 Compact. The PX4 grip is noticeably smaller in circumference. And then there's the weight. I don't have an accurate scale, but yeah it's lighter.

To me, there's a truly noticeable size and weight difference when you go from a full-size 92 to a PX4 Compact, which is why it's been mentioned. In the end it's up to you...hope you can find one of each model to hold and try for yourself.

[Bucky]

Absolutely, I'm OK with disagreeing, no hard feelings. I just put a caliper on a Compact and a full-size, measuring from the bottom of the magwell to the underside of the slide. 4.064" on the full-size and 3.652" on the Compact, for a 0.412" difference, or between 3/8" and 7/16". I get a sliver of my pinkie on a Compact grip without a mag inserted, and almost a full pinkie on a full-size. With a Compact with the curved mag floorplate, I still get a complete grip.

Nothing wrong with a 92 Compact, like I said, I own one, but don't be expecting a 'compact' pistol when you open the box, or you'll be disappointed. It's not a tiny 92, at least not to me. I used to have more of them, but I don't see where they really do enough things different than a full-size 92 to keep a bunch around.

However.

If I set a PX4 Compact (non CC, my PX4's are all pre-CC availability) upside down on the table by a 92 Compact, the mag end of the grips are the same height off of the table, but the trigger guard on the PX4 is further up the grip by a tenth of an inch or so, giving you a little more grip area for the rest of your hand. If I forget which gun I'm holding, I do still slam my hand on a quick PX4C mag change.

The big size difference in a PX4C and the 92 Compact is OAL, which honestly isn't as big of a deal for most carry unless we're talking AIWB with a shorter holster to match. By my caliper the PX4C is like 0.900" shorter than a 92 Compact, almost a full inch. Sight radius is 0.68" shorter than a 92 Compact. The PX4 grip is noticeably smaller in circumference. And then there's the weight. I don't have an accurate scale, but yeah it's lighter.

To me, there's a truly noticeable size and weight difference when you go from a full-size 92 to a PX4 Compact, which is why it's been mentioned. In the end it's up to you...hope you can find one of each model to hold and try for yourself.

Looking at them side by side, may demonstrate the difference better. I know that I can make a compact disappear, where a 92 prints a little beyond my comfort level on my body shape.

http://www.rafire.com/members/bucky/92compactvfull2.jpg

Some consider the 19 as the target point of definition of "Compact" for semi auto pistol, I think the 92 Compact fits in OK, with just .25" more slide length, and slightly shorter grip. However, if you don't agree about the 19, then that's another thing. That part, what is a compact, is highly subjective. But the grip measurement amount is significant to me. YMMV. :) :)

[mhl6493]

Looking at them side by side, may demonstrate the difference better. I know that I can make a compact disappear, where a 92 prints a little beyond my comfort level on my body shape.

http://www.rafire.com/members/bucky/92compactvfull2.jpg

Some consider the 19 as the target point of definition of "Compact" for semi auto pistol, I think the 92 Compact fits in OK, with just .25" more slide length, and slightly shorter grip. However, if you don't agree about the 19, then that's another thing. That part, what is a compact, is highly subjective. But the grip measurement amount is significant to me. YMMV. :) :)

The picture is very helpful - thanks! “Compact” seems to mean different things to different manufacturers, but side-by-side comparisons help. The way I typically carry, I can conceal my Glock 19 or Sig p229 pretty easily. So it looks like the 92c wouldn’t be a problem if I were to decide to go that route. And the PX-4cc would certainly work as well.

[Welder]

http://www.rafire.com/members/bucky/92compactvfull2.jpg

Side note - Is that one of the old 92FS OD's? Kinda hard to tell in the pic. If so, cool man. I've got one, too.

[Bucky]

Side note - Is that one of the old 92FS OD's? Kinda hard to tell in the pic. If so, cool man. I've got one, too.

Yes sir. :)

[Greg]

I’m a fan of older West German Sigs, and for many years I thought the US had chosen the wrong pistol back in the 80s.

With that being said, I’d spend my money on an LTT 92 over any current Sig pistol.

[ReverendMeat]

I've been a SIG fanboy starting since I was a high schooler who thought it was the best pistol in Counterstrike and I've owned pretty much all of them over the years since.

I don't have any of them anymore and have settled on the Beretta. ymmv.

[Actsda]

Even though I have always been a Sig fan, use them for any DA/SA needs and am geared up with them, at this point in time I would steer anyone looking at TDA for carry to a Beretta. In addition to the QC issues with post Cohen production, they appear to be slowly moving away from DA/SA pistols and toward SFA only. Also, Beretta appears fully committed to supporting the 92/PX4 platforms and their relationship with EL and his support of there products is a huge selling point.
As a side note, if Sig would ever get their heads out of their rear ends, and make a compact polymer framed DA/SA pistol or even one around the size of the 365XL, they would sell very well. Even a P239 sized gun with a polymer frame using that small double stack mag from the 365XL would really do well.

[mhl6493]

Even though I have always been a Sig fan, use them for any DA/SA needs and am geared up with them, at this point in time I would steer anyone looking at TDA for carry to a Beretta. In addition to the QC issues with post Cohen production, they appear to be slowly moving away from DA/SA pistols and toward SFA only. Also, Beretta appears fully committed to supporting the 92/PX4 platforms and their relationship with EL and his support of there products is a huge selling point.
As a side note, if Sig would ever get their heads out of their rear ends, and make a compact polymer framed DA/SA pistol or even one around the size of the 365XL, they would sell very well. Even a P239 sized gun with a polymer frame using that small double stack mag from the 365XL would really do well.

That does seem to be the direction Sig is moving in, with the new military contract and all. Guns like he p239 are already discontinued, and mags and parts become somewhat more difficult to find year by year. You'd assume it would be a while before that would happen to the p229, but with the direction they're going (even with the p220 now) there are no guarantees.

[Beretta92x]

It's gonna be a lot more difficult to mount an RDS on a 92 than a P229, would be my first concern, short of using a dovetail mount.

Ernest Langdon in another thread has said they have mounted a red dot on a 92 and they are waiting on patents before they begin the service to allow it.

[mhl6493]

Ernest Langdon in another thread has said they have mounted a red dot on a 92 and they are waiting on patents before they begin the service to allow it.

I'm actually OK without the red dot, as I haven't tried those yet. It looks like something that, at least for me, I'd want to either jump completely into or avoid completely. With the limited training I do, I don't think bouncing back and forth between dots and irons is a good idea. So I'd be fine with the Beretta if the technology was never developed. But, I know a lot of people love them, so I'm glad they're working on getting it done.