Which CZ to test the waters?

[noguns]

I know I should focus on my 9mm glocks.

I shot a p06 years ago and I remember how soft recoiling it was for a .40.im hoping for something that can speed up my time between shots VS glock.

If I wanted to try a cz should I get a P01 or p07? I'm leaning towards an omega trigger so I can have the option to carry cocked and locked.
I sold some guns and now I'd like to toy around with something new. Thoughts? No cz rentals near me that I know of.

[TheNewbie]

I use the P-07 as a duty weapon. It’s boring but it works.

There are a few changes I would make to it, but not changes most would be interested in.

If I had to carry a current production gun, in its stock form, I’m not sure anything else would meet my needs the way the P-07 does.

Clusterfrack is the guy to ask about CZs.

[SSGN_Doc]

Neither is going to be a bad choice. If carry is in consideration, the P01 is a little “slicker” As far as contours, but the P07 is a little lighter. I don’t know that either will improve your split times on follow up shots, unless recoil recovery is your issue. The trigger reset is longer than most Glocks and may not be as tactile. Some custom parts can improve this, though.

That being said, the P07 is one that I carry and I get good follow-up times (split times) with it in practical drills. It does shoot flat, and just seems to come back on target almost automatically. I don’t have a P01 to compare shot times with, and have only shot one belonging to a friend. I do have an SP01 and a 75B but the comparison may not be fair there. I do shoot my P07 more than the metal frame CZs, but that is because it is a carry gun so I prioritize my ammo use there.

[TAZ]

No experience, but the P-10S Optic Ready jobber interests me as CCW gun.

[Clusterfrack]

I have a very strong preference for the P-07 over the earlier CZ compacts. The ergos are better for me, and the design has some significant advantages for a high round count carry or duty gun. The action is very simple and easy to detail strip--significantly more so than a CZ-75 decocker gun. I like the replaceable steel rail inserts of the P-07 better than an aluminum frame. It just has a more 'modern' feel to me than the P-01, probably because it is.

I've never used thumb safeties on my P-07s. I think I threw them away.

There are a few aftermarket parts that are worth putting in a new P-07, and the list can be found in the P-07 thread. As well, some lubrication and break-in smooths the action, especially in DA. If needed, I can dig all that info out of my notes and re-post.

FYI, I don't own any CZs other than P-07s and Shadow2s. I don't think either is at all boring.

About split times: They aren't very important, and I wouldn't buy a gun based on faster splits. On the other hand, fast splits can be an indication of a gun that returns naturally to the same point of aim, and that's what I find the P-07 does for me. It's not hard for me to rip 0.15-17s splits with it, and I don't find it easy to do that with a Glock 19.

[Oldherkpilot]

I like the traditional decocking CZs, so I like the P01. The safety models and the Omega switchable levers are just out of reach for my thumb so cocked and locked doesn't work for me (my hands are a bit small.) If you can't find one to live-fire, I would definitely check to see if you can manipulate the safety before buying the Omega model. Then be prepared to buy another, and so on!

[TheNewbie]

If you use the gun as a DA/SA vs a DAO, I think you’ll find the P-07 decocker lever easier to use.

[1911Nut]

My personal preference is the P-01 platform. I shoot them far better. The aluminum frame models are acceptable for EDC weight.

[daved20319]

Might consider posting what area you're in, might be a forum member nearby that is also a CZ owner/shooter. Might also do the same over on the CZ forum, most of us are always on the lookout for a new shooting buddy, and a chance to play enabler :D. I currently own a PCR, owned a P0-7 for awhile, but I just like the feel of the PCR better. That said, it's getting ignored due to my love affair with my Sig P220, I shoot it better, and just prefer .45 ACP to 9mm. Later.

Dave

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Might consider posting what area you're in, might be a forum member nearby that is also a CZ owner/shooter. Might also do the same over on the CZ forum, most of us are always on the lookout for a new shooting buddy, and a chance to play enabler :D. I currently own a PCR, owned a P0-7 for awhile, but I just like the feel of the PCR better. That said, it's getting ignored due to my love affair with my Sig P220, I shoot it better, and just prefer .45 ACP to 9mm. Later.

Dave

I second this advice, def worth it to try before you buy if possible.

If you found the P06 to be soft recoiling then that frame shape must work well with your hands, and I bet you would love a P01.

Whichever CZ you get, so yourself a favor and buy the improved firing pin retaining pin (FPRP) from Cajun Gun Works or CZ Custom. This simple mod is necessary to do large amounts of dry fire without parts breakage. Personally I put the Cajun short reset kit in all my CZs. It includes the FPRP and enables you to use a lower powered hammer spring and still get reliable ignition on hard primers.

[claymore504]

I have a P01 Omega and a P07. I really like both, but for the P07 just works better for me. Ergos are outstanding. I did have the backstrap stippled since it is kind of slick. Talon grips would also solve this. If it will not be for carry, I would highly recommend the P09. I own 3 of them and they are amazing. The P09 is very soft and flat shooting. I shoot better with it than my Sp-01 tactical 9mm and 75B omega. I would say it is my favorite polymer handgun period.

I will say with the P07 and P09 the out of the box DA trigger quality can be different from gun to gun. My first P09, an UG/SR model, had a good trigger out of the box and really turned out excellent with a few CGW parts. My next P09, an OD green model, had a rough DA trigger at first. The same CGW parts helped some, but the trigger did not really get nice until I put about 500 rounds through it along with dry fire. My third P09, a black standard model, had a very good trigger right off the start and really came around with the same CGW parts and a little polishing. My P07 OD green model had an ok trigger out of the box. With the same CGW parts and some polishing it was really good. I have several thousand rounds through it these days and it is excellent.

Also, like others have said. Post your location and see if a CZ owner can link up with you. I know for a fact I would for sure. I love letting shooters try out my CZs. 9 times out of 10 they love them.

[Arbninftry]

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My vote is on a P01 worked over by Cajun.

[psalms144.1]

I was very impressed with the P07 I test drove a while back, and, with a little judiciously shopping around, you can find them darn near dirt cheap.

The P01 is cooler looking, for sure, and aluminum framed, so not soulless plastic, but the P07 would be my first stop.

[noguns]

Appreciate all the replies. I'm in northern VA and go to sharpshooters just because it's close to home. Maybe when tall the Kung flu business is over I'd love to entertain a try out if any of you are close. I guess the right answer is to buy both! A range near me might have CZs for rental. That would be cheaper than buying a "long term rental".

Btw are both equally as easy to mill for rds? The sights on the metal legacy 75s look really tall. I think the p07s were a little deeper in the slide.

[Clusterfrack]

The P-07 suppressor-ready model seems well-suited for a RDS.

[GJM]

If I was going CZ, to shoot faster, I would pick the Shadow 2, as she is queen of the fleet! After a month plus of shooting the S2 with a SRO, I have come to the conclusion that I split the CZ faster but draw and transition a Glock faster, making for almost no difference. Just gets down to what you enjoy shooting more.

[Gumby]

Love my PCR!

[Trooper224]

Go big or go home, CZ97B. :)

[David S.]

I have 2 P-09’s with dots. You probably won’t use factory suppressor sights if you want a “lower 1/3 co-witness”.

I used Dawson front and had it milled for a Glock Ameriglo rear.

[falar]

I think CZs are best enjoyed with a steel frame, with a safety (instead of a decocker), and without a firing pin block.

I'd try out a Shadow 1 and go from there.

[TheNewbie]

I think CZs are best enjoyed with a steel frame, with a safety (instead of a decocker), and without a firing pin block.

I'd try out a Shadow 1 and go from there.

Why without a firing pin block?


I really wish they would make a single stack P-07 with a flush fitting/bobbed hammer.

[falar]

Why without a firing pin block?


I really wish they would make a single stack P-07 with a flush fitting/bobbed hammer.

Better trigger, no stupid roll pin to break, easier to clean firing pin channel.

[timotab]

You can't go wrong with a P07 or P09. The DA pull really smooths out with some shooting or a little polishing, the single action has a light rolling break. The ergos are excellent. CGW and CZ Custom offer parts to improve or alter the trigger pull, reset, sights etc. to your liking and to top it off they're affordable.

[rca90gsx]

I am partial to the P01, but the P07 is great as well. That said I have a P01 and SP01 that I really like both of because they compliment the Shadow for a range option. Fortunately or unfortunately both are going to be sold, as I have had a project in mind for to long that I am finally going to start! Either you choose will be a great option!




You can't go wrong with a P07 or P09. The DA pull really smooths out with some



shooting or a little polishing, the single action has a light rolling break. The ergos are excellent. CGW and CZ Custom offer parts to improve or alter the trigger pull, reset, sights etc. to your liking and to top it off they're affordable.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Appreciate all the replies. I'm in northern VA and go to sharpshooters just because it's close to home. Maybe when tall the Kung flu business is over I'd love to entertain a try out if any of you are close. I guess the right answer is to buy both! A range near me might have CZs for rental. That would be cheaper than buying a "long term rental".

Btw are both equally as easy to mill for rds? The sights on the metal legacy 75s look really tall. I think the p07s were a little deeper in the slide.

If you want to mill for RDS, you should probably go P07.

The P series was built around the .40SW cartridge so it is chunkoer all around, and the slide is wide enough to mount an RMR or Deltapoint with just a simple milling job, although you will need to pay extra to have a new rear sight dovetail milled in if you want BUIS.

The original CZ75s are built around 9mm, so they are thinner, about like a 1911 in the slide. This means an RMR will overhang the sides of the slide. Primary Machine has a service where they mount an adapter plate to a P01 or similar slide, to allow an rmr. Check out their website for pics, you will see it adds to the cost significantly.

On the other hand the newest mini pistol RDS's like the RMSc and Holosun HS507K should fit a CZ75 slide with no issue. I saw a P01 milled by L&M Precision that had an RMSc and still retained the regular CZ75 irons, front and rear. Very impressive.

[MGW]

I have 2 P-09’s with dots. You probably won’t use factory suppressor sights if you want a “lower 1/3 co-witness”.

I used Dawson front and had it milled for a Glock Ameriglo rear.

I didn’t realize P09’s could be milled for a dot. Who did the work? Have any pics?

I’ve owned two P09’s and I should have kept them. They shoot as flat as anything I’ve ever shot, are super accurate, and after break in great triggers. I have a small ergonomic issue that causes me to occasionally dump magazines while shooting them. Instead of working through it I dumped them for something else shiny. They’re really great guns.

[timotab]

I didn’t realize P09’s could be milled for a dot. Who did the work? Have any pics?

GJM has one in the for sale section.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I didn’t realize P09’s could be milled for a dot. Who did the work? Have any pics?

I’ve owned two P09’s and I should have kept them. They shoot as flat as anything I’ve ever shot, are super accurate, and after break in great triggers. I have a small ergonomic issue that causes me to occasionally dump magazines while shooting them. Instead of working through it I dumped them for something else shiny. They’re really great guns.

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Here are mine. Carry and competition. (P07 has been my competition gun so far, but hopefully this P09 will supersede it)

I bought both of these used.
-The RMR with forward BUIS cut was done by a small shop, ultra low cut. I beleive the BUIS height is the same as typical CZ suppressor sights. Conceals very well.
-Looking closely the RMR does overhang the slide ever so slightly, but not enough to feel/notice unless you are looking for it.

I just got the Deltapoint for the P09 and havent gotten to sight it in yet.
-The work was done by Primary Machine and the fit is so tight I needed a rubber mallet and some patience to get the Deltapoint in there.
-the Deltapoint is exactly flush with the top of the slide.
-the Deltapoint is so long there is no room for a rear sight dovetail. Of course you can buy the Deltapoint rear sight attachment.
-on rmr cuts, Primary can mill a Glock rear sight dovetail either in front of or behind the optic.

I almost bought a P07 from a forum member here that was cut by L&M precision. He had the BUIS in the normal position, and recut both dovetails to take SIG sights. Based on what I know, if I was getting a P-series cut, I would go with Promary Machine if I wanted to keep cost low and just wanted simple BUIS, or L&M if I cared about using aftermarket BUIS or might remove the optic.

[David S.]

Cajun Gun Works did one and Vulcan bought the other. The previous owner had the CGW do the optics cut. I did the Vulcan do the other. I have a few thousand rounds through each with no issues.

I would do Vulcan again because he’s local and seems to do solid work. If I was shipping anyway, I’d consider Vulcan among the many other shops that do fine work too.

[PNWTO]

I know there’s already a thread but since this one is more current: What is the hive mind AAR on the P-10 series now that it has been out for a while? I loved my cajunized P-07 (despite the occasional bump fire which was definitely a software issue on my end).

[TheNewbie]

I know there’s already a thread but since this one is more current: What is the hive mind AAR on the P-10 series now that it has been out for a while? I loved my cajunized P-07 (despite the occasional bump fire which was definitely a software issue on my end).

Bump fire?

[PNWTO]

Bump fire?

Early on with the P-07 I wasn’t intentional enough with learning the trigger reset and getting my finger in position while the gun was cycling; every so often I would wind up double-tapping.

Again, totally a software fault on the user and I probably should have “gotten to know” the P-07 prior to the CGW upgrades.