The PT-92 thread

[Baldanders]

My first centerfire pistol, as well as ToddG's, was a PT99AF. It worked fine but I traded it off to a guy for a Gold Cup because the magazine ban had just happened and he wanted the high cap mags.


Poor Seconds got burned, obviously. 😉

54074

My own joke that got the response above by SC.

I think I might be going back to the first centerfire pistol in my family. Why not? It shoots great, 30+ years of reliability, plenty of holsters, and the safety is in the right place. All it really gives up to a Beretta is finsh and a rougher DA trigger.

My question: what parts DON'T interchange with M92 parts? I doubt I will fill this sucker up with Langdon upgrades, but it would be good to know what I can swap out, especially as the gun closes in on 40 years.

I plan to replace all the springs in the gun in the not too distant future. Debating about new springs for the old mags, but I feel like buying new 17 rounders might make more sense, as I only have one.

Another question: should I preemptively replace the locking block? It seems fine. Gun is at 3000-5000 rounds, approximately. Bought used in 1988.

For a nightstand/carry gun, anything else I should be thinking about? No, I don't have money for a new M92 right now, although I would love a 92c! ($499.99 new at LNGS before the COOVID curse struck, underpriced IMO)

[45dotACP]

I would definitely replace the locking block. As far as parts compatibility otherwise I have no clue.

I'd laugh until I died if there was a PT-92 somewhere in the Langdon home that had been worked over by the man himself. [emoji23]

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[HCM]

Poor Seconds got burned, obviously. 😉

54074

My own joke that got the response above by SC.

I think I might be going back to the first centerfire pistol in my family. Why not? It shoots great, 30+ years of reliability, plenty of holsters, and the safety is in the right place. All it really gives up to a Beretta is finsh and a rougher DA trigger.

My question: what parts DON'T interchange with M92 parts? I doubt I will fill this sucker up with Langdon upgrades, but it would be good to know what I can swap out, especially as the gun closes in on 40 years.

I plan to replace all the springs in the gun in the not too distant future. Debating about new springs for the old mags, but I feel like buying new 17 rounders might make more sense, as I only have one.

Another question: should I preemptively replace the locking block? It seems fine. Gun is at 3000-5000 rounds, approximately. Bought used in 1988.

For a nightstand/carry gun, anything else I should be thinking about? No, I don't have money for a new M92 right now, although I would love a 92c! ($499.99 new at LNGS before the COOVID curse struck, underpriced IMO)

My first centerfiee Handgun was a Taurus PT-99. I had read multiple articles and gun magazines claiming the Taurus was just as good as a Beretta 92. I was already a little suspicious of guns and ammo but I believed an article in combat handguns by some guy named Ken Hackathorn who was supposed to be legit. At the time a Taurus was about $330 and a Beretta 92 was somewhere between $550 and $600.

I got rid of it after three major issues in less than 3,000 rounds. Two blown out extractors and a broken locking block. I sent it back to Taurus for repair twice and the third time had the extractor place locally before I got rid of it.

I figured it was a fluke and picked up a tourist model 85 38 special five shot revolver. That had an issue with the screw that held the cylinder and crane into the frame which Taurus was unable to properly fix it. The issue recurred several times and they refused to replace it. Sold it cheap with disclosure.

Following these experiences I warned my cousin who was getting into handgun shooting against buying a Taurus. So of course he bought a Taurus PT 99 with a silver (nickel ?) finish. He also had multiple issues which required multiple trips back to Taurus. The last one was a locking block that broke in such a way that we were not able to get the slide open or get the slide off the gun. Taurus replace that gun But that created another issue because he was living in New York at the time where your handguns are listed by serial number on your handgun permit and they shipped the replacement directly to his house. It took several weeks to get this issue and the disposition of the original fire him taken care of to the satisfaction of the local police departments pistol license office.

I’ve had no such issues in nearly 30 years of owning the Italian made Beretta 92F that replaced my Taurus 99.

[AdioSS]

I’ve used Taurus parts in a few of my Berettas. I actually prefer the trigger shape to what Beretta uses.

Beretta’s Gen3 locking block is a good upgrade. The newer trigger spring is a good upgrade. A lighter hammer spring will make a HUGE difference. Taurus uses a 1 piece firing pin, so you should be fine with a much lighter one.

[Poconnor]

My first centerfire semiauto pistol was a Taurus 99. I didn’t shoot it a lot but I never had a problem with it. I bought it because it was half the price of a beretta 92. I wish I still had it. Now that I think about it I turned 21 in 1988 and I bought a 4” S&W 686 CS-1 .357 magnum, a Ruger MKll 5.5” bull barrel .22lr , a 6” S&W 17 .22LR ( and case of 5000 rds of .22LR to go with it) to go with that Taurus. I bought an alessi holster for the Taurus and I thought I was set. What did I not do? I wrote to Fuzzy Farrant for his order sheet but did not buy his grips. I passed on a S&W 3” 686 CS-1 and a 3” S&W 64 NY-1.

[learnerpermitted]

I was going to post a picture of my notes taken during a training course with Mr Langdon. He talks about guns in general and how most mass produced semis are good to go. Except the PT92, he had some not so positive opinions about it. I thought it was funny I wrote down the quote. But nah decided against posting the picture, plus my average shooting is exponentially better than my handwriting.

[ReverendMeat]

I was going to post a picture of my notes taken during a training course with Mr Langdon. He talks about guns in general and how most mass produced semis are good to go. Except the PT92, he had some not so positive opinions about it. I thought it was funny I wrote down the quote. But nah decided against posting the picture, plus my average shooting is exponentially better than my handwriting.

Ok what was the quote

[Trooper224]

Yes, you should replace the locking block. In fact, you should do yourself a favor and order one that comes with a Beretta 92 attached to it.

[45dotACP]

Yes, you should replace the locking block. In fact, you should do yourself a favor and order one that comes with a Beretta 92 attached to it.I am deceased.

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[jnc36rcpd]

Unless you need a nice box, there is only one reason to purchase a Taurus.
https://www.taurususa.com/company/team-taurus/

[Hambo]

It shoots great, 30+ years of reliability, plenty of holsters, and the safety is in the right place. All it really gives up to a Beretta is finsh and a rougher DA trigger.


How many rounds through it in 30 years? Take the money you want to spend on parts, and put it in your Beretta fund.


Yes, you should replace the locking block. In fact, you should do yourself a favor and order one that comes with a Beretta 92 attached to it.

There you have it.

[Duelist]

Unless you need a nice box, there is only one reason to purchase a Taurus.
https://www.taurususa.com/company/team-taurus/

That’s not a reason to buy a gun. Movie, picture book, maybe.

[spinmove_]

How many rounds through it in 30 years? Take the money you want to spend on parts, and put it in your Beretta fund.



There you have it.

This. Just go buy a Beretta 92 of whatever flavor you want and drive on. The PT-92 is not worth the time.

[ccmdfd]

Yes, you should replace the locking block. In fact, you should do yourself a favor and order one that comes with a Beretta 92 attached to it.

Post of the month!

[Ingramite]

Then I started reading and learning.
Take a look at the pistols being puked out of their new Tennessee plant.
Then look at the Inox finish look alike on their alloy receivers.
But hey, you probably believe what you have been sold.....and that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone.
Haters will hate...I can dig it.

I'm NOT a cheap ass who can not afford to buy a Beretta. I have several.
My decision to buy a Taurus PT92 was an informed decision.

[Baldanders]

As I stated, this gun is at 3-5k rounds tops. It didn't much see shooting from the time I went off to college to when dad gave me custody in 2010 or so. It has maybe seen 500 rounds in the past ten years? 2FTEs, ever.

Magazines are pretty shot, tho. I don't think the ban era yellow follower low caps were worth much to begin with.

Mostly this line pf thinking has been inspired by the thought of popping a Langdon trigger bar in my px4, then wondering about one in the Taurus, then realizing the take-up and reset is shorter on my PT92 than my px4 with Beretta target trigger.

That led to me thinking: "why the hell should I keep dumping $$$ into my px 4 to try to equal my PT 92?"

My other question to myself: does any of this fretting about 'feel' translate to improved performance from me? And the answer is NO. I proved this to myself during two birthday parties of mine where a bunch of 9mm pistols were around. I pretty much shoot one TDA about as well as another. My skillset is not well developed enough to show the effect of small changes on pistols.

More than some lifetime commitment to going back to the PT92, this public declaration is more about completely embracing the fact that it's about me, not the gun, and other than durability (maybe 😘 ), my first pick at age 15 was a decent one.

If anyone wants to straight up trade a newish stock 92c for my garishly painted px4 w/ target sights and trigger, however, I will never mention it again.

(PT 92 is never getting sold as it has family history and it has depreciated in value anyway. According to an online calculator, $299.00 in 1988 =$651.56 in 2020 dollars. A new 9mm from one of the big boys hovered around 1k in today's dollars. Glock really changed the market. )

[Baldanders]

And my thinking above was affected heavily by finally absorbing more of the wisdom from Todd on P-T. Way overdue for me, obviously.

Although I sort of wish I didn't know "riding the reset" was a thing. And I am glad no one ever tried to make me shoot that way. Unlearning that would have sucked. It stikes me as the semi-auto equivalent of staging a DA trigger.

[Yung]

I don't have anything to trade you, but let's see pictures of that Px4 anyway.

[Baldanders]

I don't have anything to trade you, but let's see pictures of that Px4 anyway.

I think it's in my "ghetto gun" thread somewhere. Gotta go get a new water heater.

Black ceracoting on the slide to cover up a bald spot, all (probably too close to simunition-) blue controls , barrel, and buttpads.

[Jared]

Then I started reading and learning.
Take a look at the pistols being puked out of their new Tennessee plant.
Then look at the Inox finish look alike on their alloy receivers.
But hey, you probably believe what you have been sold.....and that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone.
Haters will hate...I can dig it.

I'm NOT a cheap ass who can not afford to buy a Beretta. I have several.
My decision to buy a Taurus PT92 was an informed decision.

Yeah...... I’ve got several TN Beretta pistols, Italian models, and MD models. My personal TN models are as good as the MD or Italian guns. Now, I guess if I wanted to I might (Might!) be able to find some minor cosmetic thing to complain about. However, what I really care about in a roughly $600 service pistol is two things:

1: Does it run reliably?
2: Does it put the bullets where I aim them when I do my part?

The TN guns that I have do that every bit as well as the guns from the other two plants that I have. My experience is all the complaining about the TN guns that goes on in other forums is blown WAY out of proportion, especially for guns made from 2019 on.

[Medusa]

My 3 tn 92s are good. So is my old md inox 92. What I believe is what I own and shoot. No more, no less. Ommv.

[HCM]

As I stated, this gun is at 3-5k rounds tops. It didn't much see shooting from the time I went off to college to when dad gave me custody in 2010 or so. It has maybe seen 500 rounds in the past ten years? 2FTEs, ever.

Magazines are pretty shot, tho. I don't think the ban era yellow follower low caps were worth much to begin with.

Mostly this line pf thinking has been inspired by the thought of popping a Langdon trigger bar in my px4, then wondering about one in the Taurus, then realizing the take-up and reset is shorter on my PT92 than my px4 with Beretta target trigger.

That led to me thinking: "why the hell should I keep dumping $$$ into my px 4 to try to equal my PT 92?"

My other question to myself: does any of this fretting about 'feel' translate to improved performance from me? And the answer is NO. I proved this to myself during two birthday parties of mine where a bunch of 9mm pistols were around. I pretty much shoot one TDA about as well as another. My skillset is not well developed enough to show the effect of small changes on pistols.

More than some lifetime commitment to going back to the PT92, this public declaration is more about completely embracing the fact that it's about me, not the gun, and other than durability (maybe 😘 ), my first pick at age 15 was a decent one.

If anyone wants to straight up trade a newish stock 92c for my garishly painted px4 w/ target sights and trigger, however, I will never mention it again.

(PT 92 is never getting sold as it has family history and it has depreciated in value anyway. According to an online calculator, $299.00 in 1988 =$651.56 in 2020 dollars. A new 9mm from one of the big boys hovered around 1k in today's dollars. Glock really changed the market. )

A ship is safe in port, but that’s not what it’s made for.

[HCM]

Then I started reading and learning.
Take a look at the pistols being puked out of their new Tennessee plant.
Then look at the Inox finish look alike on their alloy receivers.
But hey, you probably believe what you have been sold.....and that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone.
Haters will hate...I can dig it.

I'm NOT a cheap ass who can not afford to buy a Beretta. I have several.
My decision to buy a Taurus PT92 was an informed decision.

Beretta has had some teething issues with guns out of the TN plant. Myself and others here have posted about some of those issues experienced first hand as well as a problematic Italian 92a1 I purchased as a Christmas gift for my son.

That said, I don’t give a crap about what the finish looks like if the gun shoots reliably and accurately. I buy guns to shoot, not to fondle with white gloves.

[AJD21]

I got two TN made Beretta 92’s and they were put together quite nicely. I’ve probably owned close to a dozen 92 series guns. Honestly Beretta has always made there guns in such a way that poor machining, poor finishing and blemishes right out of the box are a way of life, not always but it’s pretty common in my experience but they have always seemed to maintain there functionality and quality where it counts.

[LockedBreech]

Then I started reading and learning.
Take a look at the pistols being puked out of their new Tennessee plant.
Then look at the Inox finish look alike on their alloy receivers.
But hey, you probably believe what you have been sold.....and that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone.
Haters will hate...I can dig it.

I'm NOT a cheap ass who can not afford to buy a Beretta. I have several.
My decision to buy a Taurus PT92 was an informed decision.

Your point about teething issues in the TN plant is accurate, though the TN Bobcat I briefly owned was very well done and Beretta seems to be improving the early QC issues there. The teething issues have been unfortunate, but not unexpected opening a brand new assembly line.

Your point about "that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone" is patently false. I own a 2008 PX4, 2013 92FS, 2017 92A1, and 2018 APX. I also owned a 2017 PX4 Compact and a 2015 92FS Compact no-rail.

Every single one of those guns was outstanding in fit, finish, and performance. My overall round count on Berettas is approximately 40,000, rather small considering all the ones I've owned. About 25,000 of that is on the PX4 and 2013 92FS alone. I can recall 4 specific stoppages, total, across all of the above-listed guns. Let's assume I'm forgetting a few and quadruple that number. 16 stoppages. That means I've had 99.99% reliability with my handful Berettas if my rough math is right. Not bad.

Todd Green and DocGKR have admonished us correctly, many times, that reliance on the manufacturer alone is not enough, you need to vet your own gun. They're right, but I'd put Beretta equal at the top of the stack with Glock and HK with guns I'd bet a significant sum of money on functioning right out of the box.

I'm glad you like your Taurus, I believe you that it's great, but your statements about Beretta are inaccurate.

Edit: In the interest of full disclosure and fanboy self-callout, I do also own a pair of Cougars, one in 9mm, one in .40. While I have not run them much at all, I am not confident they would post similar numbers to the above, given that the design is well known to be faulty. I also own a late 1970s Model 85BB Cheetah without enough rounds through to have formed an opinion.

[HCM]

I got two TN made Beretta 92’s and they were put together quite nicely. I’ve probably owned close to a dozen 92 series guns. Honestly Beretta has always made there guns in such a way that poor machining, poor finishing and blemishes right out of the box are a way of life, not always but it’s pretty common in my experience but they have always seemed to maintain there functionality and quality where it counts.

I have 3 TN made Berettas which I’m happy with. My only complaint being sharp edges.

The two with issues with TN guns were one I almost bought. Attempted to buy a TN made Wilson Brig Tac based on the display model. They wanted to sell me the other one NIB “from the back” which had an issue with the mag catch. You could insert a mag but mags would not lock in.

Second was an LTT 92 via commercial distribution channels. POI was far last of POA. 6”-8” off at 25. Front sight, which has a dovetail but is heavily staked in place but was visibly off center.

My Local shop had the LTT and it was an impulse purchase. My solution is to buy LTT guns from LTT.

[HCM]

Then I started reading and learning.
Take a look at the pistols being puked out of their new Tennessee plant.
Then look at the Inox finish look alike on their alloy receivers.
But hey, you probably believe what you have been sold.....and that is strictly the reputation of pistols long gone.
Haters will hate...I can dig it.

I'm NOT a cheap ass who can not afford to buy a Beretta. I have several.
My decision to buy a Taurus PT92 was an informed decision.

Brought this to mind.

““That’s why the philosophers warn us not to be satisfied with mere learning, but to add practice and then training. For as time passes we forget what we learned and end up doing the opposite, and hold opinions the opposite of what we should.” – Epictetus”

[Baldanders]

Well, crap or OK gun, if gunbroker is any indication, used PT92s got taken off the market in a big way by panic buying. There used to be pages, now less than 10 used as of yesterday. I guess the same might be true of a lot of "also ran" 9mm guns.

I was unaware of current Beretta QC issues. I have seen new M92s and one new Cheetah in the last year and they looked nice. (Of course at over $750, the Cheetah should look great, IMO. Not a great deal compared to the 92 or px4 series. ) Obviously, cosmetics aren't my first concern in a 9mm.

[Ingramite]

Brought this to mind.

““That’s why the philosophers warn us not to be satisfied with mere learning, but to add practice and then training. For as time passes we forget what we learned and end up doing the opposite, and hold opinions the opposite of what we should.” – Epictetus”

Another notable quote:

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger."

[HCM]

Another notable quote:

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger."

That phrase “sacred cow” I don’t think it means what you think it means. My posts about the aforementioned Beretta 92 issues, prior posts about the issues with the Beretta 96Ds I carried in the late 1990s (because I broke 3 of them) , and the issues I experienced with the PF darling, the PX4 Compact, are pretty far from a claim of “Beretta perfection.”

But those issues are minimal compared to the consistently problematic products I’ve seen out of Taurus over the past 30 years. The other part of the equation is customer service when there is a problem. IME Berreta also beats Taurus when there is an issue.

All of this excludes the military mess that is the M9 after years of failing to conduct required preventative maintenance and use of substandard third party parts (and magazines) when PM is performed.

IME there is an inverse relationship between satisfied Taurus customers and how much guns are actually shot.

Truth is most guns are either 1)never shot; 2) shot 50 rounds and never shot again; 3) shot once or twice a year. As such, Taurus decision to fix or replace the small percentage of guns that actually get shot vs investing in better intially QC across the board is smart from a financial perspective.

For a range toy, it’s fine just keep sending it in when it breaks. If you use guns as emergency tools, such failures can preclude you from having to worry about it (it or anything else) again. It’s all a matter of your frame of reference.

Tne most telling thing for me with regard to Taurus are the numerous issues with Taurus pistols and carbines issued the the Brazilian police. For many years Brazilian LE was required to “buy Brazilian” to support the domestic economy. There were so many failures and broken promises over so many years that Brazilian LE is now in the process of replacing all Taurus products with foreign made Glocks, SIGs etc.

[falar]

The TN Beretta situation is really a shame though because prior to them messing with the name I felt Beretta was a quality/dollar amount that was almost impossible to beat in handguns.

[HCM]

The TN Beretta situation is really a shame though because prior to them messing with the name I felt Beretta was a quality/dollar amount that was almost impossible to beat in handguns.

I think it was an inevitable consequence of moving the factory and the inherent loss of institutional knowledge sucha move entails. In fairness, voting with their wallet against the anti gun policies of Maryland was more than many other companies

[Jared]

The TN Beretta situation is really a shame though because prior to them messing with the name I felt Beretta was a quality/dollar amount that was almost impossible to beat in handguns.

I work in a large factory. I’ve seen machines moved 100 feet, staying under roof the entire time, and it take months to get them running like they did before. I’m not surprised at all that loading everything up on trucks and moving it across state lines, into a new place, with new workers, caused issues that took a long time to iron out.

Thing is, Beretta, just like EVERY gun maker out there, had lemons before the move. I’m not saying that they don’t have more issues now than they did before, they very well might. But straight up, no bullshit, if someone thinks they’ve got a better chance of getting a pistol that’ll last a long time on a high round count with few issues by buying a Taurus over a Beretta I don’t think there’s any point in trying to convince them otherwise. My personal TN made Beretta pistols have been excellent. I’d buy another TN made Beretta tomorrow if I came across the right one. I wouldn’t have a Taurus 92 up my ass if I had room for a steam shovel......

[Joe in PNG]

I once bought a Taurus PT-100 fotay.
I mean, you got your Just As Good As Beretta, plus the Added Power of Fotay Caliber, amirite?

It was one of my terrible, disappointing, not so great guns. A big, bulky beast that only held 10 rounds, and had massive trigger slap to boot.
Dumped it with no regrets.

[falar]

I work in a large factory. I’ve seen machines moved 100 feet, staying under roof the entire time, and it take months to get them running like they did before. I’m not surprised at all that loading everything up on trucks and moving it across state lines, into a new place, with new workers, caused issues that took a long time to iron out.

Thing is, Beretta, just like EVERY gun maker out there, had lemons before the move. I’m not saying that they don’t have more issues now than they did before, they very well might. But straight up, no bullshit, if someone thinks they’ve got a better chance of getting a pistol that’ll last a long time on a high round count with few issues by buying a Taurus over a Beretta I don’t think there’s any point in trying to convince them otherwise. My personal TN made Beretta pistols have been excellent. I’d buy another TN made Beretta tomorrow if I came across the right one. I wouldn’t have a Taurus 92 up my ass if I had room for a steam shovel......

Never said they were less than Taurus now. Taurus is shit, plain and simple.

I'm sure a few issues were bound to pop up with the move but the damage their brand has taken is unacceptable in my opinion as they didn't need to be anywhere near as widespread though I'll grant that usually they are just cosmetic (and yes, I owned 7 TN made Berettas so I also speak from experience) and rarely functional.

Thankfully lots of Italian guns have been available on the market in recent years.

[Baldanders]

That phrase “sacred cow” I don’t think it means what you think it means. My posts about the aforementioned Beretta 92 issues, prior posts about the issues with the Beretta 96Ds I carried in the late 1990s (because I broke 3 of them) , and the issues I experienced with the PF darling, the PX4 Compact, are pretty far from a claim of “Beretta perfection.”

But those issues are minimal compared to the consistently problematic products I’ve seen out of Taurus over the past 30 years. The other part of the equation is customer service when there is a problem. IME Berreta also beats Taurus when there is an issue.

All of this excludes the military mess that is the M9 after years of failing to conduct required preventative maintenance and use of substandard third party parts (and magazines) when PM is performed.

IME there is an inverse relationship between satisfied Taurus customers and how much guns are actually shot.

Truth is most guns are either 1)never shot; 2) shot 50 rounds and never shot again; 3) shot once or twice a year. As such, Taurus decision to fix or replace the small percentage of guns that actually get shot vs investing in better intially QC across the board is smart from a financial perspective.

For a range toy, it’s fine just keep sending it in when it breaks. If you use guns as emergency tools, such failures can preclude you from having to worry about it (it or anything else) again. It’s all a matter of your frame of reference.

Tne most telling thing for me with regard to Taurus are the numerous issues with Taurus pistols and carbines issued the the Brazilian police. For many years Brazilian LE was required to “buy Brazilian” to support the domestic economy. There were so many failures and broken promises over so many years that Brazilian LE is now in the process of replacing all Taurus products with foreign made Glocks, SIGs etc.

A friend of mine who works at his family's gun shop discourages Taurus auto sales because he's the one who has to deal with Taurus if the gun is defective. They only have the recent plastic guns, however. (He claims he hasn't seen a revolver return, but how many see heavy use?)

I have no idea how my PT-92 compares to current production models. I"m pretty sure mine never looked as good as the other one posted earler in the thread.

[Gun Mutt]

...I wouldn’t have a Taurus 92 up my ass if I had room for a steam shovel...

Q: How can you tell a PF thread is reaching conclusion?
A: Someone brings up shovel fucking.

Back in 1990 I turned 21 and had already been repossessing cars in NW Indiana for a few months. My ccw allowed me to carry one of the two "loaner" pistols in our office; my choices being a .45 Star PD or a 4" .357 Taurus and I'd usually carry both when we were snatching cars in Gary or East Chicago. (My partner in not-really-a-crime was my best bud from the reserves and good googly-moogly was that a fun way to make money for a couple of proud members of the Y, D & full of C club.)

I really, really, wanted a Beretta, but c'mon, in 1990 it was damn near twice the price of the PT and they were built on Beretta machinery anyway, so... Took almost two months to pay off the layaway on my brand new PT, but boy I did think I'd done it right, carrying that thing in a nylon Miami Classic knock off.

A year or so later, I installed one of the Uncle Mike's authorized version of Craig Spegel's 92 grip panels. Unfortunately, they made the first run too soft and the trigger bar could move out of place and leave you with a dead trigger. Freaked me out enough that the Taurus got traded for a Browning HP post haste and I never looked back. I would shortly become a Glock 19 kinda guy and never did buy a Beretta, but over the years I've often wished I'd held onto that Taurus.

This thread pretty has successfully quelled any such notions.

[Jim Watson]

Sample of one, but an eccentric club member here had a PT99 that he used almost exclusively because he didn't want to put the wear on his Berettas, Sigs, etc. On the rare occasion that he took out a name brand pistol, he put in a replacement barrel so he had no wear at all on the original matching numbered barrel.
But that old Taurus just shot and shot. Not without attention, I don't recall what all he had to repair or replace, but he fixed it and carried on.

[Stephanie B]

I bought a PT92 in 1988. It was a decent gun. I shot it fairly regularly. Twelve years later, I sold it to a friend who, for domestic reasons, needed a gun RTFN.

[JonInWA]

Both Beretta and Taurus have accumulated their reputations over time and fielding.

If I was to choose a Taurus, it would likely be limited to one of the early Brazilian contract pieces with the frame mounted safety/non-decocking models, that my understanding was built in Brazil by Beretta, with Beretta machinery; subsequently, if memory serves me correctly, the plant was turned over to Taurus for license-built production. Taurus subsequently modified the original design and profile, and added a decock function.

I believe that for a number of reasons the Beretta 92 to be a better product than a Taurus PT92; one is the huge accumulation of favorable reports both here and eleswhere by eminently qualified individuals and agencies. The second, it's after-deliver expeiriences in the field nonwithstanding, the M9 pistol quality control program for the USmilitary is very specific and detailed, both in terms of material composition, testing, fit and function and accuracy. That the M9 has had fielding issues has more to do with the US military's lack of effective operator and echelon use and maintenance protocols, or outright ignrance of them and a systemic lack of specified preventive maintenance, combined with apparently a haphazard mish-mash of substandard non-OEM components (such as replacement locking blocks).

Other than the original Brazilian trials, have there even been any qualified and systemic LEO/military testing programs/trials that the PT 92 underwent, and what were the results?

I suspect that it's no accident that proponents such as Wilson COmbat and Ernest Langdon at LTT are using Berettas as opposed to Taurus. And, hey, to make it really interesting, make it between three pistols: one Tennessee-plant produced 92, one Italian production piece, and a Taurus PT 92.

A comparison p-f 2000 round shoot-off between a Beretta 92 and a Taurus PT 92 would be one of the few 2K shoots I'd actually be interested in, to see how a contemporary 92 compares to a PT92.

Best, Jon

[Ingramite]

How about a Stoeger Cougar?
Can we dump on that one next?

No wait, how about a Taurus 1911?

I'm not a Taurus expert so I probably need the help of a Beretta guy to hold the flashlight and blaze the trail.

Would I ever buy a Taurus revolver?
Are you kidding? I'm a Smith and Wesson guy.
I heard they called em "Saturday Night Specials" because they couldn't spell Taurus.

[LockedBreech]

How about a Stoeger Cougar?
Can we dump on that one next?


Beat you to it in my post, and I'm a Beretta fanboy.

I didn't have any issue with you enjoying Taurus, and in point of fact took no jabs at Taurus at all in this thread even though I have some strong opinions on Taurus based on 3 different steaming hunks of gun I've had experience with from them. I took issue with your incorrect assertion that high quality Berettas are from days gone by despite that categorically being untrue. Teething issues at a new factory =/= Beretta being low quality.

I guess I'd turn your question around and ask why can't you enjoy your Taurus without bagging on Beretta?

[TheNewbie]

One thing Taurus does better than Beretta is the Safety/Decocking lever. Obviously that’s not enough reason to buy the Taurus, but I wish Beretta did it that way.

[Baldanders]

Beat you to it in my post, and I'm a Beretta fanboy.

I didn't have any issue with you enjoying Taurus, and in point of fact took no jabs at Taurus at all in this thread even though I have some strong opinions on Taurus based on 3 different steaming hunks of gun I've had experience with from them. I took issue with your incorrect assertion that high quality Berettas are from days gone by despite that categorically being untrue. Teething issues at a new factory =/= Beretta being low quality.

I guess I'd turn your question around and ask why can't you enjoy your Taurus without bagging on Beretta?

In reality, most 92s (Brazilian, Italian, or Tennessean) are probably better tools for killing people than 99% of the options availble 150 years ago.

I'm not really interested in defending Taurus, or slamming Beretta. My point is mostly, it doesn't matter to much to me anymore. The question of my marksmanship is at least 10x as important as the question of my gear selection. And I only really care if MY 1980s Taurus is reliable.

If anyone wants to do an endurance test between 92s, however, I am publicly announcing my support at the $30 level to buy ammo.

And if anyone is too worried about my death in a gunfight, the PT-92 is paired with my px4. I can deal with difference in decockers. And whenever money permits, I have a friend who is willing to sell me his Gen 4 G17. (Which has one magazine that used to be mine, but that's a long story.) And I just discovered that the G20/G21 is my "perfect fit." So given that a fall away from the The TDA Truth and a Fall into Soulless Combat Tupperware is probably inevitable for me, odds are good I will make it out of this foolishness alive. Just keep up your prayers for a few years, I'll see the Light.

Or maybe I'll completely lose my shit, go 4000% hispster and carry a .32 NAA-converted Cheetah or my Trooper with an old-school magnetic lock and matching unlock ring, or fufill my late 90s dreams and save up for a P7M13.

At least I'm not carrying a Remington "1911" .22 condition three like my dad. 🤣
(He has it unsecured in the middle of his vehicle when he's driving. I try, but he's as stubborn as his son.)

[LockedBreech]

In reality, most 92s (Brazilian, Italian, or Tennessean) are probably better tools for killing people than 99% of the options availble 150 years ago.

I'm not really interested in defending Taurus, or slamming Beretta. My point is mostly, it doesn't matter to much to me anymore.
The question of my marksmanship is at least 10x as important as the question of my gear selection. And I only really care if MY 1980s Taurus is reliable.

If anyone wants to do an endurance test between 92s, however, I am publicly announcing my support at the $30 level to buy ammo.

And if anyone is too worried about my death in a gunfight, the PT-92 is paired with my px4. I can deal with difference in decockers. And whenever money permits, I have a friend who is willing to sell me his Gen 4 G17. (Which has one magazine that used to be mine, but that's a long story.) And I just discovered that the G20/G21 is my "perfect fit." So given that a fall away from the The TDA Truth and a Fall into Soulless Combat Tupperware is probably inevitable for me, odds are good I will make it out of this foolishness alive. Just keep up your prayers for a few years, I'll see the Light.

Or maybe I'll completely lose my shit, go 4000% hispster and carry a .32 NAA-converted Cheetah or my Trooper with an old-school magnetic lock and matching unlock ring, or fufill my late 90s dreams and save up for a P7M13.

At least I'm not carrying a Remington "1911" .22 condition three like my dad. 🤣
(He has it unsecured in the middle of his vehicle when he's driving. I try, but he's as stubborn as his son.)

My post wasn't directed at you, it was in response to another fella. That said, I'm ALWAYS down to enjoy a 2K challenge.

[Baldanders]

My post wasn't directed at you, it was in response to another fella. That said, I'm ALWAYS down to enjoy a 2K challenge.

Oh, I was trying to add on to YOUR points. 100% in agreement. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

[Baldanders]

Lets face it, most centerfire handgun designs of the last 40 years are accurate, and totally adequate for their intended uses.

(Failures mostly evaporate)

The only important questions left are:how reliable/rugged is it? How much does it cost? Is it the proper size? Can I handle it safely? (I'm going to place all questions about safeties/actions in that last category.)

Everything else is a mix of individual preferences and prejudices which probably matter almost nothing to final results.

( But I love chatting about the minutiae)

[Baldanders]

One thing Taurus does better than Beretta is the Safety/Decocking lever. Obviously that’s not enough reason to buy the Taurus, but I wish Beretta did it that way.

This times 1000x.

I don't understand why they moved it. It's the only real issue I have with my px4. (I hate both the batwings and the slim profile, may fiddle with this more, but trying not to)

The only time a thumb safety has given me issues is the one on the S&W Victory .22. It's very easy to engage while shooting if you have big hands, if me and my friends are anything to go by.

I guess I could buy a police trade-in original 92, but then many of the same issues as buying a Taurus come up, due to wear.

[falar]

The slide mounted safety is vastly superior, it is nice and out of the way and does not interfere with a high hold.

Better yet is when it is just a decocker since a safety is useless on a DA/SA.

[Baldanders]

The slide mounted safety is vastly superior, it is nice and out of the way and does not interfere with a high hold.

Better yet is when it is just a decocker since a safety is useless on a DA/SA.

I like a decock without shifting my hold. The Taurus is my baseline for what a 9mm should feel like, so I guess I probably use a crappy 80s hold to go with my sloppy Weaver.

So my dad is gifting me with another 9mm from his collection.

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This one 'ill kill ya. 😎

Me, my mom, and my dad all had a hearty laugh on the phone when he told me. May lend it to a friend for a YouTube video.

Can you guess what my new 9mm auto will be?

[Baldanders]

How about a Stoeger Cougar?
Can we dump on that one next?

No wait, how about a Taurus 1911?

I'm not a Taurus expert so I probably need the help of a Beretta guy to hold the flashlight and blaze the trail.

Would I ever buy a Taurus revolver?
Are you kidding? I'm a Smith and Wesson guy.
I heard they called em "Saturday Night Specials" because they couldn't spell Taurus.

When I get my new 9mm, I plan a review for RR only.

And I feel confident P-F shall stand united for a few minutes of loathing. Which is nothing new here, but I also mean the gun.

[Hambo]

One thing Taurus does better than Beretta is the Safety/Decocking lever. Obviously that’s not enough reason to buy the Taurus, but I wish Beretta did it that way.

92X Performance.

[Caballoflaco]

One thing Taurus does better than Beretta is the Safety/Decocking lever. Obviously that’s not enough reason to buy the Taurus, but I wish Beretta did it that way.

I liked the location on the one a friend had in the late nineties, but if you try to ride it with downward pressure like on a 1911 it will give you a dead trigger, which made it no bueno for me since I was shooting a 1911 at the time.

[spinmove_]

I liked the location on the one a friend had in the late nineties, but if you try to ride it with downward pressure like on a 1911 it will give you a dead trigger, which made it no bueno for me since I was shooting a 1911 at the time.

This. A thumb safety that also decocks in a downward direction is no good for a proper freestyle grip on a pistol. It’s why the Beretta 92X doesn’t decock and why the rest of the 92 series is slide mounted. I greatly prefer my 92s to be decock only and hitting that lever for decock only requires the same shift of my grip that I do to hit the magazine release. Normally I’d just decock using my support hand which requires no shifting.

The only the slide mounted levers become an issue is when I have to rack the slide and use an overhand method to do so. I’ve found it quicker and arguably safer to flip the pistol 90 degrees to the left and slingshot that way with the muzzle pointed downrange which helps mitigate lever interference and also prevents the heel of my palm from getting caught between the slide and barrel.

[TheNewbie]

I liked the location on the one a friend had in the late nineties, but if you try to ride it with downward pressure like on a 1911 it will give you a dead trigger, which made it no bueno for me since I was shooting a 1911 at the time.

That’s interesting. I don’t remember having that issue with the HK USP, but maybe the decocking lever is stiffer than the Taurus.

[Baldanders]

92X Performance.

Yes, daddy want. 😣

[HCM]

I liked the location on the one a friend had in the late nineties, but if you try to ride it with downward pressure like on a 1911 it will give you a dead trigger, which made it no bueno for me since I was shooting a 1911 at the time.

Similar pressure on the decocking lever of SIG P series guns will also give you a dead trigger so it’s probably something worth testing on a newer Taurus.

[Baldanders]

This. A thumb safety that also decocks in a downward direction is no good for a proper freestyle grip on a pistol. It’s why the Beretta 92X doesn’t decock and why the rest of the 92 series is slide mounted. I greatly prefer my 92s to be decock only and hitting that lever for decock only requires the same shift of my grip that I do to hit the magazine release. Normally I’d just decock using my support hand which requires no shifting.

The only the slide mounted levers become an issue is when I have to rack the slide and use an overhand method to do so. I’ve found it quicker and arguably safer to flip the pistol 90 degrees to the left and slingshot that way with the muzzle pointed downrange which helps mitigate lever interference and also prevents the heel of my palm from getting caught between the slide and barrel.

It's not obvious from the pic, but if my grip on my PT92 went higher, I'd be riding the slide stop.

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OTOH, I must admit, with my grip, no room for a slide-mounted safety on my px4.

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I "need" the standard M92-style safety-levers, I guess. I have to pinch the two slim levers between index and thumb to use it comfortably now. I can do it one-handed with an awkward grip shift, but engaging the lever that way sets off my carpal tunnel issues.

[beenalongtime]

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I "need" the standard M92-style safety-levers, I guess. I have to pinch the two slim levers between index and thumb to use it comfortably now. I can do it one-handed with an awkward grip shift, but engaging the lever that way sets off my carpal tunnel issues.

In F or G style configuration? I have switched out all but one gun to the new G style levers. I may put one of two pairs of 92's on my full size PX4 (range/HD gun), but I have a spare G style set of 92 levers for the PX4 if you want them.

[Baldanders]

In F or G style configuration? I have switched out all but one gun to the new G style levers. I may put one of two pairs of 92's on my full size PX4 (range/HD gun), but I have a spare G style set of 92 levers for the PX4 if you want them.

Hell yes. I will PM you. Probably this evening. Thanks!

[Caballoflaco]

Similar pressure on the decocking lever of SIG P series guns will also give you a dead trigger so it’s probably something worth testing on a newer Taurus.

At least for me the SIG P series guns never caused a problem because the decocker is far enough foward and lower. But, if you put a safety in the same basic location as a 1911 I’m probably going to subconsciously ride it with my thumb and apply downward pressure.

I can easily actuate the slide mounted g-decocker on my M9A3 with a minimum of grip shifting.

[spinmove_]

It's not obvious from the pic, but if my grip on my PT92 went higher, I'd be riding the slide stop.

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OTOH, I must admit, with my grip, no room for a slide-mounted safety on my px4.

54275

I "need" the standard M92-style safety-levers, I guess. I have to pinch the two slim levers between index and thumb to use it comfortably now. I can do it one-handed with an awkward grip shift, but engaging the lever that way sets off my carpal tunnel issues.

I mean, if breaking your grip and actuating the slide mounted levers sets off carpal tunnel, then maybe the gun just doesn’t fit you? Not all guns fit all people.

[Baldanders]

I mean, if breaking your grip and actuating the slide mounted levers sets off carpal tunnel, then maybe the gun just doesn’t fit you? Not all guns fit all people.

More of the problem is the "slim profile" lever I have on now. The "batwings" are better, I think M92-style would be even better than that.

I have come to the conclusion that the G20/G21 is the closest thing to "perfect fit" for me in a semiauto, so just about every 9mm is a hair or many hairs too small for me. My px4 has the large backstrap installed with the Talon grip over it. Feels pretty good, probably another 1/4-1/8 inch added to the trigger reach would be perfect for me. I prefer the G17/G19 with the largest beavertail backstrap on it. I will probably try a Grip Adapter or whatever it's called when I get a 9mm Glock again.

Somehow, I mange a compact grip on a j-frame OK. But revolvers are magic. 😍

I probably should get a slip-on grip for the p32---but does the p32 "fit" anyone, really?

[HCM]

At least for me the SIG P series guns never caused a problem because the decocker is far enough foward and lower. But, if you put a safety in the same basic location as a 1911 I’m probably going to subconsciously ride it with my thumb and apply downward pressure.

I can easily actuate the slide mounted g-decocker on my M9A3 with a minimum of grip shifting.

Yup. With proper technique most can easily take off the slide mounted safeties of the 92 series as well.

[JonInWA]

Or just get a DAO D model/LEM/etc. slick slide so it's a total non-issue....:-)

Best, Jon

[Baldanders]

Or just get a DAO D model/LEM/etc. slick slide so it's a total non-issue....:-)

Best, Jon

I have considered converting my px4 to a DAO. But now I'm in a "lets actually master the TDA" phase, following my long "DAO" phase.

I was messing around with both my px4 and my PT92 last night, and I was able to work out a bit more comfortable transition to using the decocker on the px4, but it's never going to be as fast and natural as using the side of my thumb joint on my PT92.

Another realization last night: the px4 grip is nearly identical to the PT92 grip MINUS THE GRIP PANEL. As sad looking as it might be, I have a feeling I'm going to be using some skate/ladder tape to build up my px4 grip until I have identical trigger reach to my PT92.

Proof I'm crazy: I think I want my mag release on the right side of the gun, despite being right-handed. I prefer to use my index finger, not my thumb.

[Baldanders]

At least for me the SIG P series guns never caused a problem because the decocker is far enough foward and lower. But, if you put a safety in the same basic location as a 1911 I’m probably going to subconsciously ride it with my thumb and apply downward pressure.


I tried purposely riding the safety while dry-firing my PT92 and it requires an awkward and unnatural grip for my big ol' hands. It still took deliberate effort to engage the decocker.

Just curious: how many of you (who haven't related your nightmares with a PT92 already) have shot a PT92 or a Beretta 92 with a slide-mounted safety(92x, Billennium, the 70s original, etc.)? I don't have much time on 1911s, so they haven't impacted my shooting habits much.

[spinmove_]

I tried purposely riding the safety while dry-firing my PT92 and it requires an awkward and unnatural grip for my big ol' hands. It still took deliberate effort to engage the decocker.

Just curious: how many of you (who haven't related your nightmares with a PT92 already) have shot a PT92 or a Beretta 92 with a slide-mounted safety(92x, Billennium, the 70s original, etc.)? I don't have much time on 1911s, so they haven't impacted my shooting habits much.

I’ve shot a couple of PT92s over the years and shot one back to back against my Italian made 92FS. The frame mounted safety didn’t really get in my way too much, but I’m used to flopping my firing hand thumb over my support hand more from shooting Classic P-series SIGs and riding the slide release.

The quality of the trigger action was probably the biggest and most obvious difference I noticed actually shooting between the two (which was completely awful on every PT92 I’ve handled so far) followed by the sights. The sights on the PT92 are more akin to like 92S sights which are more low profile and difficult to see than even standard 92FS sights.

If I had my choice between a PT92 and a 92FS I would hands down buy a 92FS and then stick a D spring in it followed by a Pepperoni Rear Sight. A touch of orange matte paint on the front dot and the rest is just smoothing up the details.

[Baldanders]

I’ve shot a couple of PT92s over the years and shot one back to back against my Italian made 92FS. The frame mounted safety didn’t really get in my way too much, but I’m used to flopping my firing hand thumb over my support hand more from shooting Classic P-series SIGs and riding the slide release.

The quality of the trigger action was probably the biggest and most obvious difference I noticed actually shooting between the two (which was completely awful on every PT92 I’ve handled so far) followed by the sights. The sights on the PT92 are more akin to like 92S sights which are more low profile and difficult to see than even standard 92FS sights.

If I had my choice between a PT92 and a 92FS I would hands down buy a 92FS and then stick a D spring in it followed by a Pepperoni Rear Sight. A touch of orange matte paint on the front dot and the rest is just smoothing up the details.

I think my PT92 trigger is OK only because of the 10k + trigger pulls it has experienced.

SA is ok, but I must admit it is NOWHERE close to the DA pull of just about any Beretta-- which have the best factory auto DA pulls compared to anything close in price, IMO. Well, except for Kahr, but I don't want to deal with that can of worms. 😀

[Chuck Whitlock]

I had a PT-99 back in the mid-late 80's. It had two issues. One time, whilst firing, the magazine catch ejected from the weapon. I located the parts and reinstalled with an extra turn, and had no further issues. Mag release tension was very weak prior to that. Second issue, it would throw keyholes with lead bullets. In all fairness, these were $6/box of 50 lead reloads at the indoor range, and were dirtier than hell. Never saw it with jacketed bullets.

[Trooper224]

I have an early production 92 (1976-77) with the frame mounted safety. It has no hammer drop feature so it isn't really a good comparison to the Taurus. Ride the safety all you want, it has no effect. The trigger quality is shit compared to a new production 92. It is pretty though.

https://a4.pbase.com/g10/64/521964/2/165796370.GCW5EYlq.jpg

[john c]

I have an early production 92 (1976-77) with the frame mounted safety. It has no hammer drop feature so it isn't really a good comparison to the Taurus. Ride the safety all you want, it has no effect. The trigger quality is shit compared to a new production 92. It is pretty though.

https://a4.pbase.com/g10/64/521964/2/165796370.GCW5EYlq.jpg

I'm interested to hear more about this. You mention the trigger is bad. How so?

What are your other impressions of the gun?

[Trooper224]

I'm interested to hear more about this. You mention the trigger is bad. How so?

What are your other impressions of the gun?

Impressions?

Except aesthetics, it's inferior to a current production 92 in every way. The DA trigger is as gritty as sandpaper, something typical of TDA pistols of that era. The SA trigger isn't bad. The sights are beyond suck. It lacks a decock feature, something I consider mandatory on a TDA service pistol. The uncluttered slide, round trigger guard and polished blue finish make it sexy as hell. As a vintage piece it's high on the cool scale, as a weapon there are far better choices today.

[beenalongtime]

Impressions?

Except aesthetics, it's inferior to a current production 92 in every way. The DA trigger is as gritty as sandpaper, something typical of TDA pistols of that era. The SA trigger isn't bad. The sights are beyond suck. It lacks a decock feature, something I consider mandatory on a TDA service pistol. The uncluttered slide, round trigger guard and polished blue finish make it sexy as hell. As a vintage piece it's high on the cool scale, as a weapon there are far better choices today.

Makes you want a Langdon blued version of the Performance 92x though, don't it? (need a poke smiley)

[john c]

Impressions?

Except aesthetics, it's inferior to a current production 92 in every way. The DA trigger is as gritty as sandpaper, something typical of TDA pistols of that era. The SA trigger isn't bad. The sights are beyond suck. It lacks a decock feature, something I consider mandatory on a TDA service pistol. The uncluttered slide, round trigger guard and polished blue finish make it sexy as hell. As a vintage piece it's high on the cool scale, as a weapon there are far better choices today.

From a function perspective, it sounds a lot like a PT 92. Have you ever shot one to compare?

We tend to think that the PT 92 is crap compared to the B92, but maybe they're as good as the original B92, but never got better?

[Trooper224]

From a function perspective, it sounds a lot like a PT 92. Have you ever shot one to compare?

We tend to think that the PT 92 is crap compared to the B92, but maybe they're as good as the original B92, but never got better?

Yes, I've shot a PT92. I wouldn't have an opinion on it if I hadn't. I used to say it was the only Taurus that wasn't a complete piece of shit, only because it was essentially built on Beretta machinery. This old 92 is lacking in features compared to its modern successors, but that doesn't mean it's junk. It's well machined and assembled from quality parts, by people who knew what they were doing. I can't say the same about any Taurus handgun I've ever handled.

This old 92 is inferior because time has past it by, but I'd choose it over a Taurus. The PT92 started as a lower tier product and remains so.

[john c]

Thanks for the insight.

[LangdonTactical]

Poor Seconds got burned, obviously. 😉

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My own joke that got the response above by SC.

I think I might be going back to the first centerfire pistol in my family. Why not? It shoots great, 30+ years of reliability, plenty of holsters, and the safety is in the right place. All it really gives up to a Beretta is finsh and a rougher DA trigger.

My question: what parts DON'T interchange with M92 parts? I doubt I will fill this sucker up with Langdon upgrades, but it would be good to know what I can swap out, especially as the gun closes in on 40 years.

I plan to replace all the springs in the gun in the not too distant future. Debating about new springs for the old mags, but I feel like buying new 17 rounders might make more sense, as I only have one.

Another question: should I preemptively replace the locking block? It seems fine. Gun is at 3000-5000 rounds, approximately. Bought used in 1988.

For a nightstand/carry gun, anything else I should be thinking about? No, I don't have money for a new M92 right now, although I would love a 92c! ($499.99 new at LNGS before the COOVID curse struck, underpriced IMO)


Sorry, but I cannot and will not work on the PT-92. It is based on a Beretta 92 from 1975, but that is where it stops. We even bought a brand new one last year to check it out and see if any parts would interchange. The only part that I remember would interchange was the recoil spring and maybe guide rod. Nothing else does, not even the grips, mag button, sear, magazines, hammer strut, hammer spring, trigger bar...... NOTHING! . It's all different from the Beretta 92.

On top of that, once you get inside the gun, that is where the wheels start to come off. It is clearly not built to the same standards as the Beretta. You mention the finish, you should see the parts inside the gun.

My gunsmiths and I all took a hard pass after taking one apart.

[Baldanders]

Sorry, but I cannot and will not work on the PT-92. It is based on a Beretta 92 from 1975, but that is where it stops. We even bought a brand new one last year to check it out and see if any parts would interchange. The only part that I remember would interchange was the recoil spring and maybe guide rod. Nothing else does, not even the grips, mag button, sear, magazines, hammer strut, hammer spring, trigger bar...... NOTHING! . It's all different from the Beretta 92.

On top of that, once you get inside the gun, that is where the wheels start to come off. It is clearly not built to the same standards as the Beretta. You mention the finish, you should see the parts inside the gun.

My gunsmiths and I all took a hard pass after taking one apart.

Heh. I didn't actually expect a response. Don't worry, I am not sending in my PT92 for work at LT. Too bad parts don't interchange.

I will probably be ordering some items for my px4, however. I am waiting on a new firing pin block spring after somehow breaking one while putting in the M92-style safety (Thanks to beenalongtime for the donation!) earlier this week. Despite my earlier statements, a Langdon trigger bar is a "when" not "if."

And I would love a Langdon Tactical worked over 92c!

But I think my 1984 (if my research is correct) PT 92 will do OK as a back-up for training as I get back on the TDA wagon.

Thanks for the details!

[Baldanders]

Impressions?

Except aesthetics, it's inferior to a current production 92 in every way. The DA trigger is as gritty as sandpaper, something typical of TDA pistols of that era. The SA trigger isn't bad. The sights are beyond suck. It lacks a decock feature, something I consider mandatory on a TDA service pistol. The uncluttered slide, round trigger guard and polished blue finish make it sexy as hell. As a vintage piece it's high on the cool scale, as a weapon there are far better choices today.

The golden age is now.