Good video of belligerent taken down and pinned

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

Obligatory Didn't see this posted anywhere else, sorry if... ;)

BLUF: Seemingly inebriated Florida man videoed in a verbal with restaurant staff gets all head-butty, customer politely wraps him up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lAfzsQ3TM

Full story here: https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/joel-michael-singer/

Other than being a nice example of a shitbird getting his due, it's also a good look at a physical intervention gone right, where force was used I'd argue capably and proportionately, intervener maintained his cool, adjusted when necessary, worked effectively to control the situation and bring it down a notch if possible, and didn't get sucked in to taking it personally and losing advantage.

It certainly helps he was physically able and with some skill to rely on (high school wrestler, per article), which might be grist for our particular mill vis-a-vis what if those factors weren't in play, or if the douche brought more to the fight, or if the intervener was carrying and things hadn't gone in his favor, etc.

All the usual interesting things to observe, applaud or criticize, and play "what if" with that helps us think through these things, but with a good video to work from...

...but mostly just nice to see it go the way it did.

[blues]

Nicely done by the good guy. I don't think I'd want to spend six minutes on the floor with the idiot, however.

(Not that I could have handled the matter as coolly as demonstrated, nor that I would have gotten involved at that juncture.)

[pooty]

if anyone's wondering about the soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iXcEdIZQYI

[45dotACP]

Solid work.

The level of calm the guy displayed after taking the drunk down was great.

So many "street fights" seem to devolve into these ugly things with guys getting knocked out, bouncing their heads on the pavement, getting soccer kicked. Before you know it, someone is dead and all parties are worse off for it. Best to keep calm.

The grappler in question obviously could have ruined the guys day. I am pretty sure he deliberately swapped from what looked like a setup for a bulldog choke that, given the muscles on his arms, would have been devastating. Instead it looks like he opted for wrist control.

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[Sauer Koch]

As a long time Judo practitioner, we use pins like this extensively, and they will crush your ego and spirit very quickly! I love at the end, when the douche got more mad and began to squirm (well, he tried) and the good guy just simply rolled on top, applying even more of his body weight...nicely done sir!!

[45dotACP]

As a long time Judo practitioner, we use pins like this extensively, and they will crush your ego and spirit very quickly! I love at the end, when the douche got more mad and began to squirm (well, he tried) and the good guy just simply rolled on top, applying even more of his body weight...nicely done sir!!

I hate hate HATE getting stuck under a judo player in Kesa Gatame....it's effing miserable.

[Sauer Koch]

I hate hate HATE getting stuck under a judo player in Kesa Gatame....it's effing miserable.

Yes it is!

[JohnO]

A good illustration of how long you are on your own when you need a cop. And the video ended at 6 min.+ and the cavalry had not yet arrived.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

A good illustration of how long you are on your own when you need a cop. And the video ended at 6 min.+ and the cavalry had not yet arrived.Indeed, although in this particular case Good Guy seemed like he had a lot in the tank and many more compliance or sleep inducing options available to him if necessary, but your point is right on.

[BehindBlueI's]

I like how brave the headbutted guy got once his attacker was pinned by the bystander. Am I the only one wishing wrestler guy had offered to let him back up at that point?


A good illustration of how long you are on your own when you need a cop. And the video ended at 6 min.+ and the cavalry had not yet arrived.

Had the authorities been notified yet? I didn't hear any indication of it. A good reminder to instruct someone specific to call 911 unless you already know they've been called. Also a good idea to have someone on "your team" call if possible so responding officers know the suspect is the guy being held down vs he's the good guy losing or it's just mutual combat.

[camsdaddy]

I think at the end of the video there is a reflection of blue lights

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

I think at the end of the video there is a reflection of blue lightsGood spotting -- red-and-blues reflected in the maitre-d's station on the right.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

I like how brave the headbutted guy got once his attacker was pinned by the bystander. Am I the only one wishing wrestler guy had offered to let him back up at that point?Yeah, I feel a bit for Mr. Sucker-butted -- he either didn't read or ignored the warning signs, failed to maintain distance, and when the initial shock of getting tagged wore off the adrenaline kicked in and because it was safe to, a face-saving rage moment followed.

It's funny...we're still simians.


Had the authorities been notified yet? I didn't hear any indication of it. A good reminder to instruct someone specific to call 911 unless you already know they've been called. Also a good idea to have someone on "your team" call if possible so responding officers know the suspect is the guy being held down vs he's the good guy losing or it's just mutual combat.It can feel silly as shit sometimes (especially alone), but mixed in with dry-fire and striking and grappling drills, there's practical value in including scenario-based verbal drills that involve instructing folks from the crowd in things like calling 911 (and what to say), selecting and talking one or two hardier looking dudes (if any) through safely assisting in holding the problem until PD arrives, and deescalation talk for the problem himself.

"More you sweat, less you bleed" has a verbal analogue, basically -- nothing novel, just adding to the discussion.

[03RN]

Indeed, although in this particular case Good Guy seemed like he had a lot in the tank and many more compliance or sleep inducing options available to him if necessary, but your point is right on.

Lucky he didn't have friends