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What/Who is your go to for reverse edge knives. Just ordered CP 2.0 and was told china Disciples were going to be after the push knife.
And another question. Ban Tang makes a DE and SE Disciple and Clinch Pick. Why does someone pick on or the other DE vs SE?

[Guerrero]

What/Who is your go to for reverse edge knives. Just ordered CP 2.0 and was told china Disciples were going to be after the push knife.
And another question. Ban Tang makes a DE and SE Disciple and Clinch Pick. Why does someone pick on or the other DE vs SE?

DE might be illegal in your state.

[SouthNarc]

DE might be illegal in your state.


This.

[Cory]

For those not as up on blade lingo, what is DE? I'm guessing double edge?

-Cory

[Wondering Beard]

What/Who is your go to for reverse edge knives. Just ordered CP 2.0 and was told china Disciples were going to be after the push knife.
And another question. Ban Tang makes a DE and SE Disciple and Clinch Pick. Why does someone pick on or the other DE vs SE?

Ban and Joe Watson. I know there are others but I only have dealt with those two to my utmost satisfaction. With Joe retiring, that leaves ban.

As mentioned above, DE may be illegal in some places. Also, I find DE takes away from the knife's utility chores. For example, in some cutting I find it practical to put my index finger or thumb on the spine for some precise cuts; I can't do that with a DE knife. If you think of reverse edge knives as sort of reverse hawkbill knives, you can transfer the utility of a hawkbill knife to a "pikal" knife and DE can become a hindrance.

[Totem Polar]

DE might be illegal in your state.

That.

In addition to BT and Craig’s China projects, I’ve had good luck with Tom Halloran. Take your, er, pikal of them.

https://halloranknives.com/


I'm guessing double edge?

Yup.

[Wondering Beard]

For those not as up on blade lingo, what is DE? I'm guessing double edge?

-Cory

Correct.

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DE might be illegal in your state.


This.

Ok so one of each to satisfy the law wherever you are. It was more of a experienced user viewpoint question. Sorry I wasnt clear. So i am interpreting it as DE is preferred in a strictly defensive knife.

[Rex G]

Even if OK in one’s home state, double-edged might well be illegal in places one wants to travel.

Thankfully, the Texas Penal Code became double-edged-blade-friendly about two legislative sessions ago. (I am not a lawyer.)

[Wondering Beard]

Ok so one of each to satisfy the law wherever you are. It was more of a experienced user viewpoint question.

It depends on what your use for the knife is. If your use is a mix of chores and defense, the DE might just not be that useful to you, though that's often argued. Mine is mostly chores and "a hope that I never have to use for defense", so single edge works better for me. But if you envision defense only, then DE is a good way to go.



So i am interpreting it as DE is preferred in a strictly defensive knife.

Double edge penetrates more easily, like a dagger, so overall yes.

[RevolverRob]

I'm glad to note that there are a lot more reverse edge makers out there than their used to be, but nearly all of them are custom order.

Shivworks China-Pick and the Spyderco P'kal are the only reverse edge optimized blades I'm aware of that are production.

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In terms of custom - Well I just tore through my Instagram follow list:

Ban Tang
Joe Watson (who is retiring from knifemaking, so probably out of the running at this point)
Tom Halloran
JB Knife and Tool
Dirk Pinkerton
GMoffatt Knives
Kramer Custom Knives
Iron Side Edge Works
Tony Lopes Blades
Karambit Maker
Ken Brock (Brock Blades)
Sosby Blades
Trin Blades
Red Meat Steel
Shuhari Knife and Steel
Kopis Designs
Martel Blades
Echo.Delta.Charlie Knives
BGM Knives & Metal Works

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I'm sure I missed someone - but that's the list from my IG Follow of makers who have or do build pikal/reverse-edge knives.

[Clusterfrack]

Add:
Variant One (https://variantone.com)
Paul Moore
Spyderco -- The Reverse, with a reduced grip is one of my favorites. Unfortunately, it is no longer available.

[RevolverRob]

Add:
Spyderco -- The Reverse, with a reduced grip is one of my favorites. Unfortunately, it is no longer available.

Someone with more clout than me cough* SouthNarc *cough - should convince Spyderco to do a Sprint Run of Reverses, with short scales in S30V or S35V coated in DLC.

250 or 500 of those would probably sell out in a couple of days.

[Clusterfrack]

Someone with more clout than me cough* SouthNarc *cough - should convince Spyderco to do a Sprint Run of Reverses, with short scales in S30V or S35V coated in DLC.

250 or 500 of those would probably sell out in a couple of days.

Yes! And/or Joe Watson licenses his Pikal and CT-P designs to Spyderco.

[blues]

Someone will probably have to pay them up front to do a run. So it's going to require a cash outlay and might need to be secured by pre-orders if it was a design they found feasible.

[1slow]

Grayman Knives, Dinka Variation, Mini Dinka Variation are useful for reverse edge. Very solid knives but not light.

Laci Szabo's Omani is bigger but should work if you do not need a small knife.

[Clusterfrack]

Keen Edge TSD Reverse Cut P25 Trainer

[runcible]

From where I stand;

Shivworks' Clinch Pick is the go-to for first explorations of the concept, affordable and high-function as a carried knife, and it is eminently replaceable as needed on account of loss\theft\evidence-room\usage. I look forward to the production Disciples.

I own a more than small number of pikals\reverse-edged-knives, surprising even myself as I pack up the workshop. Some I own as elements of history, for curiosity, or to better understand the concept; a few, I own because they demonstrate tremendous worksmanship on the part of the maker, and I am very appreciative of such elements. I would not recommend ownership of a great many of them to others for any reason other than general collectorship; and certainly would not recommend carrying most of them for reasons generally related to excessive size, poor striking characteristics, or being generally non-competitive with the flagship options.

Joe Watson's pikals showcase some really nuanced design work that has changed first dramatically and then subtly across the years; I recommend these strongly. A titanium example of his original pikal pattern remains my tuxedo-knife of choice, for such times as there is froth and ceremony. He has made them in titanium and steel across the years; he has his original pikal pattern that once had matching blunt trainers, the follow-on pikal pattern in both single- and double-edged, the pikal variation of the CT short-knife (CT-P) originally in single- and occassionally in double-edged variations, and many custom variations of the theme along the way. I've got... a lot of these. They are excellent gifts, especially with custom sheaths, for friends and peers in the space when they get married; a friend moved far away got one of the customs that dropped a year or few ago, in advance of his first child's birth.

Ban Tang's pikals have had a pretty broad range of geometry across the years, and he's been making them for longer than almost anyone else that is still in the knife-making game to my knowledge: all of them depict a tremendous investment and appreciation of the craft. I'd still love to pick up some of his early pattern pikals for the nonce and to follow his designwork over time. His SAF Pikal is a bit larger than I'd carry for work or personal time, but I have a single-edged iteration of his otherwise always-DE present pikal template; and I very much intend to commission a similar such example of his Disciple.

DE pikals usually showcase incredible worksmanship - usually even more so than the SE iterations do. However, for me the SE particulars are preeminent for carry, access, and usage.

I like the Spyderco P'kal (https://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-SC103GP-PKal-Folding-Knife/dp/B01ALTPUX6) quite a bit and expect to be getting quite some miles out of mine in the near future. I look forward to the forthcoming Kizer Inversion and Emerson Knives' Elvia folder; but don't expect them to exceed the P'kal in my esteem.

[runcible]

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[Totem Polar]

runcible, that custom folder is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen.

[runcible]

https://www.bladehq.com/item--Kizer-Pinkerton-Inversion-Frame--106899

At $169, it was much more reasonably priced than I'd expected, and I forgive them for the long delay given the whole pandemic thing.

After the strangeness and $265 pricetag for the other option, it was refreshing; and I totally missed the Inversion going live, yet received it in short order.

https://emersonknives.com/shop/knives/limited-models/elvia/

[Totem Polar]

https://www.bladehq.com/item--Kizer-Pinkerton-Inversion-Frame--106899

At $169, it was much more reasonably priced than I'd expected, and I forgive them for the long delay given the whole pandemic thing.

After the strangeness and $265 pricetag for the other option, it was refreshing; and I totally missed the Inversion going live, yet received it in short order.

https://emersonknives.com/shop/knives/limited-models/elvia/

I appreciate it, R, but you’re too late. I’ll let you know how I like the Inversion. :D :D

PS. You saw this, yes?

https://www.knivesshipfree.com/kopis-designs/

[Joe S]

I appreciate it, R, but you’re too late. I’ll let you know how I like the Inversion. :D :D


I'd appreciate it if someone wants to chime in on the handle after some use. I love the blade shape, but in general, I find metal handled folders to be heavier and more slippery that once with another scale material and metal liners, for seemingly no reason, since almost always the blade or blade-handle junction is going to be the weakest point anyways.

But damn, I like that blade.

[UNM1136]

I'd appreciate it if someone wants to chime in on the handle after some use. I love the blade shape, but in general, I find metal handled folders to be heavier and more slippery that once with another scale material and metal liners, for seemingly no reason, since almost always the blade or blade-handle junction is going to be the weakest point anyways.

But damn, I like that blade.

Yeah, I have an Emerson licensed Kershaw CQC blade. One scale is G-10, the other is bead blasted stainless steel for the frame lock. While I love frame locks, the folder put the pocket clip on the SS/frame lock side. That knife slides out of the pocket, and is nowhere near secure. The only reason I am still carrying it it that it was, like, 30 freakin' bucks....

pat

[Clusterfrack]

Yeah, I have an Emerson licensed Kershaw CQC blade. One scale is G-10, the other is bead blasted stainless steel for the frame lock. While I love frame locks, the folder put the pocket clip on the SS/frame lock side. That knife slides out of the pocket, and is nowhere near secure. The only reason I am still carrying it it that it was, like, 30 freakin' bucks....

pat

Try the Kershaw Emerson CQC5k (https://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-Emerson-CQC-5K-Handle-Zombie-Survival/dp/B016SFJQDC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Kershaw+Emerson+CQC5k&qid=1593380614&sr=8-3). It’s got G10 on both sides. Best cheap knife I’ve found.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200628/d1d8cb54dbfa28ed0baf869e465b952e.jpg

[Joe S]

Try the Kershaw Emerson CQC5k (https://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-Emerson-CQC-5K-Handle-Zombie-Survival/dp/B016SFJQDC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Kershaw+Emerson+CQC5k&qid=1593380614&sr=8-3). It’s got G10 on both sides. Best cheap knife I’ve found.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200628/d1d8cb54dbfa28ed0baf869e465b952e.jpg

I definitely said this recently in another thread, but I wholeheartedly second this. I bought one on a lark, it's a good cutter and gets carried more than a lot of fancier knives with nice blade steels.

[Grey]

Does a non sharpened second edge get into grey territory?

[Joe S]

Does a non sharpened second edge get into grey territory?

I was hoping for someone with more legal expertise to hop in, but my layman's understanding is no. If it's not sharp enough to slice a piece of paper/there's no actual sharpened edge, I've never worried about it.

The thing I would be wary of is that some state's laws mention specifically dirks, daggers, bowies, that sort of thing. If you were concerned about that, I would avoid a blade shape that's commonly called that, or something too dagger like or very spear point like that looked like a dagger.

[runcible]

TP,

I haven't picked up one of the Kopis options and find myself dragging my feet on it. I have a pile of Ken Onion-designed paring knives that I picked up for ~$30ea for that size and general profile. They're functional enough that I can make sheaths and other equipment and send them out to wear-testers, without being so expensive that I'd miss them if they didn't return. https://www.amazon.com/Stratus-Culinary-Cascade-Reverse-Paring/dp/B00KM8IQFQ

[Totem Polar]

Guys, I’m busted. My wife is paying bills, and just poked her head in to exclaim: “someone's been bad. There are knifey charges on the bank statement again...”
:)

Fortunately, she digs folders with sculpted metal scales.
:D

runcible, the L-via is pretty cool, just because, but it’s not a screaming must-have. The aggressive curve to the blade means a lot of excess kydex shavings from the tip on each draw. As well, the sheath is sort of where the very first production runs of the China Pick were, back in the day: too much extra material around the handle. As shipped, it’s *really* hard to draw; a few minutes with a disc grinder or belt sander is absolutely mandatory. FWIW.

I’m probably about reverse edged up at this point. If you see something else cool, don’t post it.
:)