Doubts about .32 ACP

[Baldanders]

Made you look! I have no doubts about the most amazing handgun caliber ever. JMB designed complete perfection for his own carry gun; he was forced to come up with all those other rounds to please the idiots.


You say you doubt 7.65 Browning?

You know who doesn't?

Hitler. Also a certain archduke.

Hell, when the US military tried to find WWI casualties caused by handgun, they weren't sure if .45 ACP was responsible for any, so they made an almost .32 ACP cartridge to replace it! .32 ACP is 100% responsible for starting the whole damn war!

And it sure put a period on the European part of WWII.

You know how you tell ANTIFA is full of shit? People who really hate fascism carry .32 ACP.

James Bond is fictional, but the very real Ian Fleming knew that the best way to show a character was going even more badass was to have the armorer come out and hand them a .32. "Brick through a window," mofos! So badass, Fleming had to make up SPECTRE, 'cause with a .32 PPK, Bond obviously would have kicked communism's ass all on his own, so he had to be kicking supervillian ass too.

You hate .32? I'm not saying you are an anti-Semite, but I hope you enjoy Stormfront and your ZOG theories, jerk.

.32 ACP, the handgun chambering so powerful it changes world history!


(I've made these points before, but cosmic wisdom needs a re-airing from time to time.)

[deputyG23]

Part of me wishes that Glock would chamber the 42 in 7.65 Browning....

[Baldanders]

Part of me wishes that Glock would chamber the 42 in 7.65 Browning....

The Time Police forbid it.

Can't have a bunch of Glocks in a caliber that changes history so easily.

[Trooper224]

Any round that killed Hitler gets value added points.

Early this year I acquired a Walther PP in .32acp. Previously, my only experience with them had been PPKs in .380. Time spent with the original, in its original chambering have caused me to reevaluate the concept just a bit. I find it to be an overall superior gun to the PPK in 9mm Kurz.

[Half Moon]

It's why JMB semi-rimmed it. Without rimlock it would give too much power for the average human... sort of a sword from the stone test, innit?

[Baldanders]

Any round that killed Hitler gets value added points.

Early this year I acquired a Walther PP in .32acp. Previously, my only experience with them had been PPKs in .380. Time spent with the original, in its original chambering have caused me to reevaluate the concept just a bit. I find it to be an overall superior gun to the PPK in 9mm Kurz.

In what ways?

[Trooper224]

In what ways?

The PP's slightly larger size really seems to make a difference in comfort, at least for my 2X hands. The slide abrades my hand, but not to the degree the PPK does. I can put a hundred rounds through the PP without bleeding. I could never say that with a PPK. The .32 is more comfortable to shoot with an almost complete lack of recoil, compared to the .380 which is a bit of a hand slapper in blowback guns. Finally, it's far more reliable than any PPK in .380 that I've ever spent time with. If anything, I think it reinforces the viewpoint that guns are usually at their best when chambered for the round they were built around, instead of being retrofitted for something else. I acquired the PP simply because I wanted a James Bond gun, not from any desire to make it a carry piece. However, from a purely academic view, it seems to be the superior choice of the two alternatives.

[Polecat]

Way under utilized for the little pocket guns nowdays. I have a little a little TCP in .32 which is sweet! Ruger supposedly was to release a .32 pocket gun of sort at Shot but we got the LCP .22 instead.

[Baldanders]

The PP's slightly larger size really seems to make a difference in comfort, at least for my 2X hands. The slide abrades my hand, but not to the degree the PPK does. I can put a hundred rounds through the PP without bleeding. I could never say that with a PPK. The .32 is more comfortable to shoot with an almost complete lack of recoil, compared to the .380 which is a bit of a hand slapper in blowback guns. Finally, it's far more reliable than any PPK in .380 that I've ever spent time with. If anything, I think it reinforces the viewpoint that guns are usually at their best when chambered for the round they were built around, instead of being retrofitted for something else. I acquired the PP simply because I wanted a James Bond gun, not from any desire to make it a carry piece. However, from a purely academic view, it seems to be the superior choice of the two alternatives.

Big hands here too. I had wondered if the PP might be a better gun, If I wanna get my Bond on, I will keep it mind.


I am biased towards using the original cartridge in guns as well. It's a factor in why my small collection doesn't include a .40/.357 SIG. There are only a few guns in those calibers that I am interested in.

[Joe in PNG]

One of the best 25 yard groups I ever shot was via the last three rounds out of my Colt 1903.

It so happened that I did it after the MOP grips on my Colt 1908 broke (I'm an idiot with that poor thing) as I had walked back the target. I had brought the 1903 for my nephew to shoot, and there was 3 rounds left. So, I went ahead and used them up.
The group was a bit high- right on top of the paper, but I could have covered them with a quarter.

[Baldanders]

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I didn't know Beretta made a PPK!


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/866260669

[Baldanders]

That gun looks like James Bond's gun in the cooler universe next door.

(If you're a Beretta fanboy.)

[Baldanders]

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Too bad the .22 Cheetahs will probably never be in my price range.

I haven't shot a .380 model, but I have shot a .380 BDA, and I thought it had 9mm para-like recoil, which seemed a bit pointless.

[Joe in PNG]

This is getting dangerously close to triggering my pre-war pocket auto fetish.

[farscott]

One of these is my "always" pistol. .32 is a lot better than no pistol.

[Half Moon]

This is getting dangerously close to triggering my pre-war pocket auto fetish.

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Since hand surgery wrecked her recoil tolerance, wife's number one shooter and the Buck 110 she got from her dad. Considering her love of Beretta 92's, I've tried to get her to upgrade to a double stack Cheetah or at least let me have Novak sights installed on the 1903. I've been told to mind my own business :-) When she claimed it as her own, it was mostly bare metal and pits. Once it became clear my nostalgia, safe queen '03 was now her '03, I at least got it re-blued and the cracked hard rubber grips replaced. 101 years old and it's still going strong.

[Doc_Glock]

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Too bad the .22 Cheetahs will probably never be in my price range.

I haven't shot a .380 model, but I have shot a .380 BDA, and I thought it had 9mm para-like recoil, which seemed a bit pointless.

Yeah the .380 BDA has some wicked recoil. I was very surprised given the size of the gun. Beautiful guns though.

[Trooper224]

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Too bad the .22 Cheetahs will probably never be in my price range.

I haven't shot a .380 model, but I have shot a .380 BDA, and I thought it had 9mm para-like recoil, which seemed a bit pointless.

I don't find the BDA's recoil bad at all.

https://a4.pbase.com/g12/64/521964/2/169660316.6SKJkifN.jpg

This one's a different story.

https://a4.pbase.com/g12/64/521964/2/169943855.gJMlgwfT.jpg

[Baldanders]

Most self defense shootings occur in terminals, primarily bus or airport. The "Sig" in .357 Sig stands for SIGnificantly better terminal ballistics than 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Believe me or not, that's your choice, but if you don't want to take my word for it, get out your calculator and divide 357 by 45. You'll see that 357 has 7.93 times more stopping power than 45. It's just math, people. Which is why I carry .380 -- even more stopping power than 357. Math. Just do it.

.32ACP + live Hitler = dead Hitler

I have trust in old school math.

Division? A calculator? Hold on there, Fermat!! Stop talking black magic.

BTW, ACP stands for "Always Correcting Problems." Like Hitler.

[Baldanders]

.32ACP + live Hitler = dead Hitler

I have trust in old school math.

Division? A calculator? Hold on there, Fermat!! Stop talking black magic.

BTW, ACP stands for "Always Correcting Problems." Like Hitler.

And by that, I meant "correcting problems, like Hitler was a problem."

Man, phrasing! Picking the right ammo is easier.

[Baldanders]

I don't find the BDA's recoil bad at all.

It wasn't so much bad as "about like 9mm from a G19." For a gun that isn't much smaller, seemed like not much gain for going to .380. But it was an irritating range session with my sister-in-law and her dipshit boyfriend (at the time.) BDA was overlubed and jamming a bunch. Dipshit boyfriend thought it would be funny to stick .357 instead of .38s in a J-frame for my SIL to shoot. It's possible I wasn't in the best frame of mind for evaluating a handgun.

If you'd like to lend me yours, I bet I might give it a "90s gun rags" type review. 😉

I want the tip-up .380 Cheetah bad.

[Half Moon]

Picking the right ammo is easier.

European, 73 grain, full metal jacket? :-P

[Baldanders]

European, 73 grain, full metal jacket? :-P

I figured I'd take your post to correct a general misperception about Euro .32. Many folks seem to think it is hotter than US loadings across the board. This is true of S&B and Fiocchi, but no one else, AFAIK. PPU is about the weakest .32 on the market. (Works fine in my wife's Alley Cat.)

[Half Moon]

I figured I'd take your post to correct a general misperception about Euro .32. Many folks seem to think it is hotter than US loadings across the board. This is true of S&B and Fiocchi, but no one else, AFAIK. PPU is about the weakest .32 on the market. (Works fine in my wife's Alley Cat.)

I'm pretty sure Geco is in the loaded hotter category as well. It's less about added power though and more about cartridge overall length. The European rounds, including PPU (both in PPU FMJ and surprisingly PPU's hollow point), tend to be loaded longer which helps minimize rimlock in MOST .32's. Immediate exceptions are for instance: the Seecamp which was optimized for the short OAL of a Silver Tip, and Beretta Tomcats which tend to crack frames using the CIP max spec loads.

[WDR]

.32 ACP Best ACP!

[Baldanders]

I'm pretty sure Geco is in the loaded hotter category as well. It's less about added power though and more about cartridge overall length. The European rounds, including PPU (both in PPU FMJ and surprisingly PPU's hollow point), tend to be loaded longer which helps minimize rimlock in MOST .32's. Immediate exceptions are for instance: the Seecamp which was optimized for the short OAL of a Silver Tip, and Beretta Tomcats which tend to crack frames using the CIP max spec loads.

In my p32, it's all about mo' power. The hotter the better.

Of course it's a locking action and the owner's manual says non-SAAMI spec ammo is OK if you don't go too crazy.

Unsure on Geco myself.

[Half Moon]

In my p32, it's all about mo' power. The hotter the better.

Of course it's a locking action and the owner's manual says non-SAAMI spec ammo is OK if you don't go too crazy.

Unsure on Geco myself.

No disagreement - the extra power is nice. And by nice I mean: if the wife ever has to reach for the 1903 to defend herself I want the the most hell ripping, .32 ACP she can handle to maximize penetration. Like a mosquito with roid rage load :-) Looks like the Geco is way up there in Golden Loki's testing through a Keltec:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130320185813/http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

The velocity numbers look off for my recollection of Fiocchi but then again, I vaguely recall - blue box versus red box are loaded different and I don't know which he tested. Or maybe it's powder takes off in the velocity curve with a longer barrel.

The site is long gone but lives on in the Wayback Machine. Thought you might find it of interest.

[Baldanders]

No disagreement - the extra power is nice. And by nice I mean: if the wife ever has to reach for the 1903 to defend herself I want the the most hell ripping, .32 ACP she can handle to maximize penetration. Like a mosquito with roid rage load :-) Looks like the Geco is way up there in Golden Loki's testing through a Keltec:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130320185813/http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

The velocity numbers look off for my recollection of Fiocchi but then again, I vaguely recall - blue box versus red box are loaded different and I don't know which he tested. Or maybe it's powder takes off in the velocity curve with a longer barrel.

The site is long gone but lives on in the Wayback Machine. Thought you might find it of interest.

Somewhere I remember reading formulation/manufacturer of Geco had changed in the past five years or so.

That's possibly a false memory implanted by liquor, however.

[Torsius]

.32 ACP-Two World Wars!

It can start or finish a war! Because they don’t make a .31! God and JMB got it right in 1903!

I could go all day. Kinda want a 32 now.

[BehindBlueI's]

It's a pretty reliable suicide gun, so it's got that over the .25 which is often a 'flop around for a surprisingly long time post-attempt' sort of suicide gun.

[deputyG23]

Has anyone gotten one of the M81 7.65 Beretta Italian prison surplus guns that are being sold now?

[Duelist]

It's a pretty reliable suicide gun, so it's got that over the .25 which is often a 'flop around for a surprisingly long time post-attempt' sort of suicide gun.

Kind of like a rabbit...

[Baldanders]

Has anyone gotten one of the M81 7.65 Beretta Italian prison surplus guns that are being sold now?

The pic I posted is one of those, an 81BB

ETA: worth more than the price! Carried more than shot, etc.

[Baldanders]

It's a pretty reliable suicide gun, so it's got that over the .25 which is often a 'flop around for a surprisingly long time post-attempt' sort of suicide gun.

Guess I'll keep that in mind if the Zombies come to eat me.

BTW, if I'm ever found with a .32 bullet in my brain, I probably just really pissed off Mrs. Anders. Most likely, I earned it.

I wonder if RevolverRob's better half has a nightstand gun?

[deputyG23]

The pic I posted is one of those, an 81BB

ETA: worth more than the price! Carried more than shot, etc.

I obviously missed the caption on top of the photo...
LGS two counties north of me shows some GC ones on his page for $229 with new factory mags available for $39.
Target Sports shows no Euro 7.65 in stock...

[Baldanders]

I obviously missed the caption on top of the photo...
LGS two counties north of me shows some GC ones on his page for $229 with new factory mags available for $39.
Target Sports shows no Euro 7.65 in stock...


https://www.sgammo.com/product/32-auto-acp-ammo/1000-round-case-32-auto-73-grain-fmj-ammo-made-geco-hungary

SG is good to go!

[Baldanders]

Behold the GASP.

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With ghettosnipe.

(Manufacturer is seeking a more durable paint)

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Real metal guide rod upgrade and partially-logo-obscuring Talon grips.

My Yeet Petunia!

I call her Darlene.

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[Joe in PNG]

Isn't a Sharpie enough for the project?

[Baldanders]

I probably should have pushed for an "ugliest gun actually carried by a member" contest, then posted those photos at the last second before the deadline.

Someday, COTM award, someday.

[Baldanders]

Isn't a Sharpie enough for the project?

Failed pocket durability tests.

[Joe in PNG]

I probably should have pushed for an "ugliest gun actually carried by a member" contest, then posted those photos at the last second before the deadline.

Someday, COTM award, someday.

The KelTec P32- the PF.com love that dare not speak it's name.

[Baldanders]

The KelTec P32- the PF.com love that dare not speak it's name.


Oh no this link will probably break P-F:

https://www.thektog.org/threads/p-32-break-in-questions.268435/

[Half Moon]

Well, ya know, in WW 1, Americans used shotguns for trench sweeping. The French and Belgians used a variety of .32 ACP's. That means by a 2 to 1 statistical sampling: .32 ACP > 12 gauge buck. It's just science! :-P

(Really just an excuse to post a cool article:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-6/200964124832-pistolsingreatwar.pdf )

[Baldanders]

Well, ya know, in WW 1, Americans used shotguns for trench sweeping. The French and Belgians used a variety of .32 ACP's. That means by a 2 to 1 statistical sampling: .32 ACP > 12 gauge buck. It's just science! :-P

(Really just an excuse to post a cool article:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-6/200964124832-pistolsingreatwar.pdf )

You and Kanye Wyoming, PF's mathematicians. 😃

Thanks for the link, been watching C&R Arsenal.

[Sal Picante]

One of these is my "always" pistol. .32 is a lot better than no pistol.

I hate the Seecamp. But they do look really nice...

[Baldanders]

I hate the Seecamp. But they do look really nice...

Pretty. But no sights at all really makes them less interesting to me.

The North American Arms .32 is similar, but it at least has some sights. I haven't actually shot either. I imagine the my p32 is probably a softer shooter. Heck, the p32 is softer than a Tomcat.

Like many .32 fans, my big wish is "more locked breech designs." A .32 doublestack G42-type gun seems to be the reoccurring hivemind wish, but I think Tam or some other PF smartie has proved that doublestack .32 ACP won't fit in a G42 grip.

Among cartridge nerds, the wish is often for a true rimless .32 auto loaded about 100 fps hotter than .32 ACP.

I think of the .32 NAA as a .380 replacement. But that is another can of worms.

Rambling. I think I will end by saying my most wished for .32 ACP blowback would be a .32 Ruger Mk.IV. Why? I guess I want an American verson of the pistols like the Benelli .32. Just classy.

[Half Moon]

Pretty. But no sights at all really makes them less interesting to me.

The North American Arms .32 is similar, but it at least has some sights. I haven't actually shot either. I imagine the my p32 is probably a softer shooter. Heck, the p32 is softer than a Tomcat.

Like many .32 fans, my big wish is "more locked breech designs." A .32 doublestack G42-type gun seems to be the reoccurring hivemind wish, but I think Tam or some other PF smartie has proved that doublestack .32 ACP won't fit in a G42 grip.

Among cartridge nerds, the wish is often for a true rimless .32 auto loaded about 100 fps hotter than .32 ACP.

I think of the .32 NAA as a .380 replacement. But that is another can of worms.

Rambling. I think I will end by saying my most wished for .32 ACP blowback would be a .32 Ruger Mk.IV. Why? I guess I want an American verson of the pistols like the Benelli .32. Just classy.

I saw an NAA Guardian 32 ACP in the flesh for the first time last year. TINY! The sights though are useless. So tiny, my eyes had trouble picking them up against a white wall 2 yards away. I have an inherited top break Lemon Squeezer snub that has better sights and the Lemon Squeezer had what I thought were the worst sights possible. Then again NAA's custom shop will do Novak or Big Dot XS sights.

[WDR]

I had, and carried a P-32 as a BUG/pocket/can't manage anything else gun for quite a while. I put probably 1000 rounds through it over the years I had it. I actually started with a 1st generation P-32... but sold it to a friends sister. To my knowledge, she still carries it. A year or two later I bought the second one that I put more rounds though. Both were reliable with hot euro Fiocchi 73gr ball ammo, even when full of pocket lint and dust. Extraction/Ejection was always "brisk"... pretty sure a few of the empties launched into low earth orbit.

I had dies and tried to load it once, but odd brass measurements and bullet sizing seemed to be an issue, and I gave up that project, and sold all of my .32 brass, bullets, and the gun and spare mag for a heck of a deal to an older gent that wanted to tinker with loading .32 ACP more than I did.

Every once in a while... I can hear a 1903 Colt ... speaking my name from somewhere far away, and mysterious.

[Baldanders]

I had, and carried a P-32 as a BUG/pocket/can't manage anything else gun for quite a while. I put probably 1000 rounds through it over the years I had it. I actually started with a 1st generation P-32... but sold it to a friends sister. To my knowledge, she still carries it. A year or two later I bought the second one that I put more rounds though. Both were reliable with hot euro Fiocchi 73gr ball ammo, even when full of pocket lint and dust. Extraction/Ejection was always "brisk"... pretty sure a few of the empties launched into low earth orbit.

I had dies and tried to load it once, but odd brass measurements and bullet sizing seemed to be an issue, and I gave up that project, and sold all of my .32 brass, bullets, and the gun and spare mag for a heck of a deal to an older gent that wanted to tinker with loading .32 ACP more than I did.

Every once in a while... I can hear a 1903 Colt ... speaking my name from somewhere far away, and mysterious.

I have shot a 1903 once and really liked it. Beyond classy.

[Baldanders]

I saw an NAA Guardian 32 ACP in the flesh for the first time last year. TINY! The sights though are useless. So tiny, my eyes had trouble picking them up against a white wall 2 yards away. I have an inherited top break Lemon Squeezer snub that has better sights and the Lemon Squeezer had what I thought were the worst sights possible. Then again NAA's custom shop will do Novak or Big Dot XS sights.

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I wish my p32 had sights like my wife's Alley Cat. Need to get new Tritium for that sight.

BTW, I like the Alley Cat much better than standard Tomcats, due to the sights. Too bad neither is a pocket pistol by my standards.

The NAA sights (super thin) are pretty bad.

[Half Moon]

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I wish my p32 had sights like my wife's Alley Cat. Need to get new Tritium for that sight.

BTW, I like the Alley Cat much better than standard Tomcats, due to the sights. Too bad neither is a pocket pistol by my standards.

The NAA sights (super thin) are pretty bad.

How do you like the Big Dots? Any particular pros or cons? I'm going through my recurring phase where I start wanting something smaller than a J Frame for certain carry scenarios. Which means I'm looking at I frames, Guardians, and P-32's again. I've successfully resisted until the urge fades before but maybe this time... :-) Since we already keep .32 ACP ammo for the 1903's, a Guardian with Big Dots sounds promising but I've never actually seen Big Dots to look at.

[Baldanders]

How do you like the Big Dots? Any particular pros or cons? I'm going through my recurring phase where I start wanting something smaller than a J Frame for certain carry scenarios. Which means I'm looking at I frames, Guardians, and P-32's again. I've successfully resisted until the urge fades before but maybe this time... :-) Since we already keep .32 ACP ammo for the 1903's, a Guardian with Big Dots sounds promising but I've never actually seen Big Dots to look at.

I've never messed with a proper Big Dot, but they look quite similar to the front sight on the Alley Cat, and I like that a lot. But my eyes are total shit and I am completely willing to sacrifice precision for speed.

(Sad member of the PF Magoo Crew. )

I agree with Jack O'Connor. Best irons for me are shallow v rear, big dot up front.

[Baldanders]

How do you like the Big Dots? Any particular pros or cons? I'm going through my recurring phase where I start wanting something smaller than a J Frame for certain carry scenarios. Which means I'm looking at I frames, Guardians, and P-32's again. I've successfully resisted until the urge fades before but maybe this time... :-) Since we already keep .32 ACP ammo for the 1903's, a Guardian with Big Dots sounds promising but I've never actually seen Big Dots to look at.

I have never heard anyone claim they shot a Guardian much and had good reliability. Recoil has to be worse than than the p32.


Yes, I'm biased.

[farscott]

I hate the Seecamp. But they do look really nice...

The Seecamp design is sort of the antithesis of everything P-F.com does due to the lack of sights, but it has a place as a last-ditch, up close backup. It also allows one to always have a concealed pistol. Getting and staying on target with one is a lot more work than a pistol with sights. I have learned to aim using the top of the slide, but the POI changes as the light changes. It is a five yard, at most, pistol for me.

The draw is something else that takes a lot of practice to not fumble as the grip frame is short, even for my small hands. The Aker rear pocket holster is a good unless the pocket is too wide; if so, the gun can tilt in the pocket as the loaded pistol has the center of gravity in the grip frame.

The reload is dead slow; the magazine catch is a bit hard to use and the magazine does not drop free. It pops out about one half of an inch and then has to be pulled from the grip frame. The magazine is slim, lacking any real taper to guide the magazine into the grip frame. The magazine well is not beveled, making reloads even harder. I would not consider reloading under pressure feasible. I assume others may, but I do not.

It is definitely not an easy gun to use and shoot, but it is a very easy gun to wear. It is a last-ditch, five-shot pistol for me.

[Sal Picante]

Innovative arms can put real sights on a P32. It makes the gun really useable and still pocketable.

p/B_qVlhAJGf_

[Sal Picante]

The Seecamp design is sort of the antithesis of everything P-F.com does due to the lack of sights, but it has a place as a last-ditch, up close backup. It also allows one to always have a concealed pistol. Getting and staying on target with one is a lot more work than a pistol with sights. I have learned to aim using the top of the slide, but the POI changes as the light changes. It is a five yard, at most, pistol for me.

The draw is something else that takes a lot of practice to not fumble as the grip frame is short, even for my small hands. The Aker rear pocket holster is a good unless the pocket is too wide; if so, the gun can tilt in the pocket as the loaded pistol has the center of gravity in the grip frame.

The reload is dead slow; the magazine catch is a bit hard to use and the magazine does not drop free. It pops out about one half of an inch and then has to be pulled from the grip frame. The magazine is slim, lacking any real taper to guide the magazine into the grip frame. The magazine well is not beveled, making reloads even harder. I would not consider reloading under pressure feasible. I assume others may, but I do not.

It is definitely not an easy gun to use and shoot, but it is a very easy gun to wear. It is a last-ditch, five-shot pistol for me.

... and that's why I hate them...

The idea that someone is going to use it as a last-ditch, up close back-up pistol when it is near impossible to draw is, well, in the realm of pure fantasy.

[Sal Picante]

Heck, the p32 is softer than a Tomcat.

Ya.


Like many .32 fans, my big wish is "more locked breech designs." A .32 doublestack G42-type gun seems to be the reoccurring hivemind wish, but I think Tam or some other PF smartie has proved that doublestack .32 ACP won't fit in a G42 grip.

Yes...


Among cartridge nerds, the wish is often for a true rimless .32 auto loaded about 100 fps hotter than .32 ACP.

YES!!!

You are so really speaking my lingo... LOL

[Wheeler]

Did someone mention Pre-War .32s?53200

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[Mike C]

Innovative arms can put real sights on a P32. It makes the gun really useable and still pocketable.

p/B_qVlhAJGf_

Funny you mention them. I just talked to a Gentleman from there this morning, I'm guessing the owner. I wanted to grab a .32 ACP conversion barrel for the LCP for the wife to practice with since she loves the LCP but isn't crazy about the recoil. Guess I might just have to pickup another KT P32 again because IA is swamped with suppressor orders. I'm happy for them, they seem like good people and are just down the road from me. I hope I can do business with them at some point soon.

Baldanders, like NAA .32? You can get a conversion barrel for the LCP. Hell after talking to IA this morning and hearing about an interesting carbine project converting a 9mm to .32 ACP I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they could make a G42 .32 ACP barrel. We'd just need to talk Shield arms into making a metal bodied mag and a mag catch. Seems doable. Someone on this board with some pull could probably make this happen.

[RevolverRob]

FUCK.

I didn't actually need to know Innovative Arms had .32 NAA LCP barrels in stock.

I don't even have an LCP right now...but I've always wanted a .32 NAA that didn't suck...

I really think that is a cartridge underrated and I would love to see Walther do a limited run of PPKs in it too.

Now I've got a stupid reloading press - I could actually roll my own .32NAA ammo...

[willie]

I had so many problems with Kel Tec handguns that I became self conscious about calling the company. I had other people test firing them to rule out my bias. I did all the fluff tricks. I observed that on the KT forum posters who complained about the product got in trouble. The company could have done it right but did not at the time I was wasting my money. I think that HiPoints have a better record. I would like to have a K .32 that worked.

[Sal Picante]

I had so many problems with Kel Tec handguns that I became self conscious about calling the company. I had other people test firing them to rule out my bias. I did all the fluff tricks. I observed that on the KT forum posters who complained about the product got in trouble. The company could have done it right but did not at the time I was wasting my money. I think that HiPoints have a better record. I would like to have a K .32 that worked.

Pro Tip: The trick is to buy used P32 and just vet them out. Sell the dogs, keep the gems. Don't bother calling KT.

[Sal Picante]

Hmmm... I wonder if I could make 32 rimless brass that'd support some more FPS...

[Nephrology]

I had so many problems with Kel Tec handguns that I became self conscious about calling the company. I had other people test firing them to rule out my bias. I did all the fluff tricks. I observed that on the KT forum posters who complained about the product got in trouble. The company could have done it right but did not at the time I was wasting my money. I think that HiPoints have a better record. I would like to have a K .32 that worked.

I had a friend in college who loved Kel-Tecs. Pretty sure I once saw him drop $1200 on Kel-tecs in one day (it was a lot of Kel-Tecs). they always felt like they were made of the same plastic as the Super Soakers I had when I was a kid.

[willie]

Hmmm... I wonder if I could make 32 rimless brass that'd support some more FPS...

32 French Long is a lengthened ACP case which would be a place to start. However, I do not see how any gains could be significant. Years back Corbon necked down the 380 case to 32 caliber. Of course, it was faster, but my question is for reason? I like the little autos but have never fooled myself about their effectiveness. Once I killed a hog with a .32 ACP. The rest of the story was that we were killing hogs at home to butcher. I shot my pet 4H club hog in the top of the head from 2 feet. When I was a kid, one custom ammo company sold armor piercing handgun rounds to cops. 25 and 32 Auto were two offerings. When I was 14, I sent cash money to this outfit and received 6 rounds. I used one of these on the hog. The bullet did not penetrate its head.

[Joe in PNG]

I always thought a shortened .30 carbine cartridge pushing a 115grn bullet at .327 mag velocities could be something- but others have tried something similar and failed apparently.

[Doc_Glock]

M
You know who doesn't?

Hitler. Also a certain archduke.

Gonna nitpick. The Archduke was killed with the "much more powerful" 9X17 or .380.

[Baldanders]

You are so really speaking my lingo... LOL

Unfortunately, despite the fact that you, me, and maybe a thousand others are in the market for all this, we don't seem to be enough of a market to interest a manufacturer beyond NAA.

Thirty-something me was more interested in .32 NAA than current me, but if it could run in a LCPish sized gun well, and ammo wasn't crazy expensive, I would give it a try. It would be interesting to see it in a gun designed around it. I could see it as a main caliber as my hands get worse in my golden years. I find it a more interesting lil' bottleneck than 5.7x28.

[Baldanders]

Gonna nitpick. The Archduke was killed with the "much more powerful" 9X17 or .380.

No, that's a total fuck-up on my part. Too big to be a nit. But probably appropriate, given my starter rant was similar in tone to a certain rant in "Animal House."

Yeah, I meant to do it, for comedic effect. That's the ticket!

But I'm happier with it as just a Hitler-killer.

Now I'm going to argue it beats .380 because it ends wars; it doesn't start them.

[Wheeler]

32 French Long is a lengthened ACP case which would be a place to start. However, I do not see how any gains could be significant. Years back Corbon necked down the 380 case to 32 caliber. Of course, it was faster, but my question is for reason? I like the little autos but have never fooled myself about their effectiveness. Once I killed a hog with a .32 ACP. The rest of the story was that we were killing hogs at home to butcher. I shot my pet 4H club hog in the top of the head from 2 feet. When I was a kid, one custom ammo company sold armor piercing handgun rounds to cops. 25 and 32 Auto were two offerings. When I was 14, I sent cash money to this outfit and received 6 rounds. I used one of these on the hog. The bullet did not penetrate its head.

The flip side to that is the French and Belgian troops that were Trench Cleaners carried .32s out preference due to reliability. Apparently they were effective enough against German soldiers who aren't nearly as tough as hog skulls. :)

[willie]

In my instance the bullet did not exit the skull from top to bottoms I thought it would have.

[RevolverRob]

Hmmm... I wonder if I could make 32 rimless brass that'd support some more FPS...

I mean, .32 NAA is gonna give you 1200 fps from an LCP-sized gun, and the Hornady Crit Defense load launches an 80-grain bullet that gives you full 15" of penetration and expansion.

[Baldanders]

I mean, .32 NAA is gonna give you 1200 fps from an LCP-sized gun, and the Hornady Crit Defense load launches an 80-grain bullet that gives you full 15" of penetration and expansion.

Anyone shot that Hornady load from an LCPish gun?

[RevolverRob]

Anyone shot that Hornady load from an LCPish gun?

Check with me in 3-months. I ordered the barrel, now I have to get an LCP, which has to wait until I can get back to the FFL in Tejas.

Edit: PS - Thanks Mike C for spending MORE of my money. If you hadn't pointed out that IA had .32NAA barrels for LCPs...I'd still have $276.50 in my bank account. :mad: :eek: :rolleyes:

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[Mike C]

Check with me in 3-months. I ordered the barrel, now I have to get an LCP, which has to wait until I can get back to the FFL in Tejas.

Edit: PS - Thanks Mike C for spending MORE of my money. If you hadn't pointed out that IA had .32NAA barrels for LCPs...I'd still have $276.50 in my bank account. :mad: :eek: :rolleyes:


So you're the culprit! I was going to buy both but just hadn't had the chance to hit the buy button and checkout when I finally did, not enough in stock. At least I got one even though the OCD part of the brain isn't satisfied. I will take only partial blame because if Baldanders and LesPep didn't bring it up I wouldn't have started looking. Besides what would PF be without a little enabling? If you find and LCP to shoot it out of I'll drop a box or two of ammo in the mail to you if you like.

[RevolverRob]

So you're the culprit! I was going to buy both but just hadn't had the chance to hit the buy button and checkout when I finally did, not enough in stock. At least I got one even though the OCD part of the brain isn't satisfied. I will take only partial blame because if Baldanders and LesPep didn't bring it up I wouldn't have started looking. Besides what would PF be without a little enabling? If you find and LCP to shoot it out of I'll drop a box or two of ammo in the mail to you if you like.

Well, at least I know who I'm going to sell it to if I don't like shooting it. ;)

I'm good on ammo. I going to hit up CH4D for reloading dies, they have both standard sizing and forming dies for forming from .380 brass available, along with seating and expander dies. Doesn't look like most folks bother with a crimp, I'm debating but may go ahead and order a taper crimp die too. Good news is, since it uses a standard .311" bullet, there are plenty of bullet choices out there.

Here is .32 NAA load data for Bullseye - https://www.makarov.com/32naa/Bullseyeloaddata01.pdf
Here is some more Bullseye + VV N310 - http://www.brassfetcher.com/Handguns/32%20NAA/32NAA%20Load%20Data.pdf

Looks like I should be able to cook up something close to the Crit Defense load for practice. In fact, I might be able to size down the Missouri Bullet Co. .32 H&R 78-grain round nosers - https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=184&category=5&secondary=20

Fortunately, Target Sports USA - has .32 NAA fairly cheap - https://www.targetsportsusa.com/hornady-critical-defense-32-north-american-arms-ammo-80-grain-flex-tip-expanding-90070-p-3902.aspx - I mean it's not 9mm cheap, but whatever. I figure I'll order a half-case after I try a few boxes to confirm function.

[vaglocker]

Innovative arms can put real sights on a P32. It makes the gun really useable and still pocketable.

p/B_qVlhAJGf_

Mother of God, how did I not know this was possible?

[Wheeler]

So I picked up a Savage 1907 to keep my Savage 1915 company. Now I need to find a 1917.

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[Sal Picante]

Mother of God, how did I not know this was possible?

I'm happy to waste your time and money!

:)

[Baldanders]

Mother of God, how did I not know this was possible?

Once I have enough cash to buy another p32, then I will save up the cash for this conversion, maybe.

Can't send my current p32, because I carry it daily, and no other gun in the house fills the same niche.

I wish a metal trigger was still available for the p32.

[Baldanders]

So I picked up a Savage 1907 to keep my Savage 1915 company. Now I need to find a 1917.

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Thanks, forgot I "needed" one of these. 🤗

[Wheeler]

Thanks, forgot I "needed" one of these. 🤗

I know where there another 1907 for sale in about 80% condition...

:chuckles in enabler: :)

[RevolverRob]

Once I have enough cash to buy another p32, then I will save up the cash for this conversion, maybe.

Can't send my current p32, because I carry it daily, and no other gun in the house fills the same niche.

I wish a metal trigger was still available for the p32.

Might as well go big and do an LCP and .32 NAA.

If you're gonna blow stupid cash on stupid things...

Let's see:

$280 for a IA .32NAA barrel
$220 for an LCP (w/transfer fee)
$200 for night sights installed from IA
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$700 for a .32 NAA LCP

Then for ammo:

$110 for CH4D 2-die set
$68 for CH4D Forming Die (.380 -> .32 NAA)
$68 for CH4D Taper Crimp Die
$300 for 500 rounds of Hornady Critical Defense
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$546 for dies and carry ammo

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So, I'm at $1246 for a f'in LCP in .32NAA. Wow, I probably should have thought this through.

Fuck it, in for a penny in for a pound.

[Mike C]

RevolverRob, guess I'll be selling you my barrel not the other way around. You're in deep dude.

[RevolverRob]

Oh dis hotness showed up a day early...

p/B_3FJP0pspz

[Mike C]

RevolverRob I finally got mine today. The barrel seems well finished and well machined. I've got it parked in an LCP II and plan to try it out on an older LCP as well that I have sitting around. Hopefully I can get some velocity numbers when I go out to check function Sunday and see what POA/POI looks like. This little bottlenecked cartridge is interesting, even if it doesn't bear any fruit it may be fun just to tinker with. I may end up down the rabbit hole with you and load for it.

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ETA: Either way I think this gun and barrel combo will make a nice running/biking partner. I've been carrying the G42 but found the LCP to work a little better.

[RevolverRob]

RevolverRob I finally got mine today. The barrel seems well finished and well machined. I've got it parked in an LCP II and plan to try it out on an older LCP as well that I have sitting around. Hopefully I can get some velocity numbers when I go out to check function Sunday and see what POA/POI looks like. This little bottlenecked cartridge is interesting, even if it doesn't bear any fruit it may be fun just to tinker with. I may end up down the rabbit hole with you and load for it.

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Solid Mike!

I definitely would love to hear how it works in the LCP I in addition to II. Since I haven't bought a host, if it works better in one or the other, that could influence me.

Also excited to hear what the velocity is on the Hornady.

[Mike C]

RevolverRob I will post the numbers as soon as I have them.

[Baldanders]

I would love to see some split times between. 380/.32 NAA on a drill or two, but I am a needy individual.


It's increasingly looking like RR was the wrong place for this, but I guess real gun talk is OK in RR too.

[Mike C]

I would love to see some split times between. 380/.32 NAA on a drill or two, but I am a needy individual.


It's increasingly looking like RR was the wrong place for this, but I guess real gun talk is OK in RR too.

No problem.

[Ingramite]

Both of these shoot .32acp

[Baldanders]

That SP-101 out-pimps my mirror-finish 640.

.32 H&R?

[Baldanders]

It's like a centerfire .22lr that comes in FMJ.

20-37 extra grains can't hurt.

My wife likes it.

My own fixation on it? I think it comes from reading about the CZ 82/83 in the book "Great Combat Handguns." A review by Rene Smeets.

Actually, I blame MUCH on tbat book. Including some actual learnin'.

[Ingramite]

That SP-101 out-pimps my mirror-finish 640.

.32 H&R?

It's a Ruger SP101 in .327 Federal Magnum.
An interesting chambering that accommodates 5 different. 32 caliber cartridges. The. 32 H&R Magnum being one on them.

There was some speculation about the ability to fire .32acp from a revolver. I remember the advice of one afficiandio who told me to zip tie the revolver to a tree and pull the trigger with a long piece of string.

The action and trigger pull was horrible. I 've always been a S&W revolver fan. I buffed every piece of this pistol in an unsuccessful attempt to get it in at least the same zip code of a useable trigger. I managed to get it from an unusable boat anchor to the precision of a Russian dump truck.

I was able to fire .32acp from this revolver but without acceptable level of accuracy.

[farscott]

Send the SP-101 to Gemini Customs and it will be returned to you with a much batter trigger. The basic package minus the Hybra-Port is a a great value for world-class gunsmithing. https://www.geminicustoms.com/ruger-revolvers/

[Baldanders]

It's a Ruger SP101 in .327 Federal Magnum.
An interesting chambering that accommodates 5 different. 32 caliber cartridges. The. 32 H&R Magnum being one on them.

There was some speculation about the ability to fire .32acp from a revolver. I remember the advice of one afficiandio who told me to zip tie the revolver to a tree and pull the trigger with a long piece of string.

The action and trigger pull was horrible. I 've always been a S&W revolver fan. I buffed every piece of this pistol in an unsuccessful attempt to get it in at least the same zip code of a useable trigger. I managed to get it from an unusable boat anchor to the precision of a Russian dump truck.

I was able to fire .32acp from this revolver but without acceptable level of accuracy.

I find the .327 interesting and I wish it was more popular.

[vaglocker]

I find the .327 interesting and I wish it was more popular.

As do I. There may be a .327 Ruger LCR in my future.

[Borderland]

I find the .327 interesting and I wish it was more popular.

I would have a 327 S&W 3" J frame, except they don't make those anymore. I already load 32 Long for a Model 31. It would be for reloaders like the other 32's but what de hell, that's cartridge discrimination.

[RevolverRob]

I was able to fire .32acp from this revolver but without acceptable level of accuracy.

That makes sense. .32 ACP uses a .310-.311" bullet, but .32 Long and all of its derived cartridges (up to .327 Magnum) use a .312-.313". That's enough to produce poor accuracy (think firing a .355" 9mm bullet in a .357" revolver).

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I keep thinking a .327 LCR would be a good choice for my mother, who prefers revolvers to semis. Lighter in weight than the 3" Detective Special she stole from me, and I could load it with .32Long wadcutters at target velocity and it would literally basically be a .22 in centerfire. And light enough with a DSG Apollo, I think she might actually carry it with her when she goes out and about.

[Mike C]

Baldanders and RevolverRob

I couldn't get the drills I had planed done because I ran out of time since I needed to chronograph a bunch of 300 Blackout loads as well. I captured as much .380 as I could scrounge to give a few other comparisons against the Single Hornady load in .32 NAA. I will get some drills shot on a timer for you Baldanders when I can get to the indoor range early next week. I hope for it to be by Tuesday at the latest. Here is what I was able to obtain.

1235R09MAY20
64 degrees Fahrenheit
400’ Above sea level
Ruger LCP II 2.75” Barrel (same length for .32 NAA conversion barrel).
Measurements taken at 10’ from Caldwell Chronograph


Federal HST 99gr .380 ACP Notes: Most recoil intensive. Forgot to record ejection pattern but was brisk.
AVG MV 939.8 FPS
AVG ME 194.11 FT-LBS
SD 9.7

Fiocchi 95gr FMJ .380 ACP Notes: Mild recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 814 FPS
AVG ME 125.03 FT-LBS
SD 20.1

Fiocchi Extrema 90gr XTP .380 ACP Notes: Really soft recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 838.2 FPS
AVG ME 140.37 FT-LBS
SD 9.4

Precision One 90gr XTP .380 ACP (Standard Pressure) Notes: softest recoiling round. Concerned it would not cycle proper but cycles fine. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 796.4 FPS
AVG ME 126.72 FT-LBS
SD 15.4

Hornady .32NAA Notes: Such soft recoil it is ridiculous. SD is lowest I've ever seen from a factory load.
AVG MV 980.4 FPS
AVG ME 170.7
SD 3.4

At first glance the .32NAA looks like a good go between in terms of performance of the HST 99gr stuff, (on paper) and the weaker preforming .380 ACP loads without the recoil. It is a very interesting concept but I would have liked to see more velocity. I bet we'd see it out of a slightly longer barrel but that would defeat the purpose for me. I want a super small pocket rocket with the best possible performance. I need to shoot it on a timer and some various distances.

[RevolverRob]

Baldanders and RevolverRob

I couldn't get the drills I had planed done because I ran out of time since I needed to chronograph a bunch of 300 Blackout loads as well. I captured as much .380 as I could scrounge to give a few other comparisons against the Single Hornady load in .32 NAA. I will get some drills shot on a timer for you Baldanders when I can get to the indoor range early next week. I hope for it to be by Tuesday at the latest. Here is what I was able to obtain.

1235R09MAY20
64 degrees Fahrenheit
400’ Above sea level
Ruger LCP II 2.75” Barrel (same length for .32 NAA conversion barrel).
Measurements taken at 10’ from Caldwell Chronograph


Federal HST 99gr .380 ACP Notes: Most recoil intensive. Forgot to record ejection pattern but was brisk.
AVG MV 939.8 FPS
AVG ME 194.11 FT-LBS
SD 9.7

Fiocchi 95gr FMJ .380 ACP Notes: Mild recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 814 FPS
AVG ME 125.03 FT-LBS
SD 20.1

Fiocchi Extrema 90gr XTP .380 ACP Notes: Really soft recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 838.2 FPS
AVG ME 140.37 FT-LBS
SD 9.4

Precision One 90gr XTP .380 ACP (Standard Pressure) Notes: softest recoiling round. Concerned it would not cycle proper but cycles fine. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 796.4 FPS
AVG ME 126.72 FT-LBS
SD 15.4

Hornady .32NAA Notes: Such soft recoil it is ridiculous. SD is lowest I've ever seen from a factory load.
AVG MV 980.4 FPS
AVG ME 170.7
SD 3.4

At first glance the .32NAA looks like a good go between in terms of performance of the HST 99gr stuff, (on paper) and the weaker preforming .380 ACP loads without the recoil. It is a very interesting concept but I would have liked to see more velocity. I bet we'd see it out of a slightly longer barrel but that would defeat the purpose for me. I want a super small pocket rocket with the best possible performance. I need to shoot it on a timer and some various distances.

Definitely the velocity seems a bit on the low side, but that low standard deviation overall provides some confidence that the Hornady is at least under good QC. I admit with the last round of American Eagle differences, I've been getting a little...anxious over the quality of Federal's QC lately.

Thanks Mike!

[Mike C]

Definitely the velocity seems a bit on the low side, but that low standard deviation overall provides some confidence that the Hornady is at least under good QC. I admit with the last round of American Eagle differences, I've been getting a little...anxious over the quality of Federal's QC lately.

Thanks Mike!

FWIW Hornady’s loads IME have typically been rather conservative but have always yielded excellent accuracy and above all consistency coupled with an extremely high level of QC. Speer ammunition and Hornady are honestly the best and most consistent I’ve seen across the board. Hornady won’t always have the highest expansion when used on live game but it is dependable as heck.

[RevolverRob]

Since this thread actually turned out to be a technical thread - I'm going to ask BehindBlueI's and/or LittleLebowski to move it to the Semi-Auto Forum. Maybe we want to change the thread title to: "P-F's Secret Love of .32 Caliber Autos" or something. Since really, there are no doubts about .32 expressed in this thread.

Sorry Baldanders - next time try creating a technical thread and we'll shit post it up and get it moved to the Romper Room. ;)

[BehindBlueI's]

Since this thread actually turned out to be a technical thread - I'm going to ask BehindBlueI's and/or LittleLebowski to move it to the Semi-Auto Forum. Maybe we want to change the thread title to: "P-F's Secret Love of .32 Caliber Autos" or something. Since really, there are no doubts about .32 expressed in this thread.

Sorry Baldanders - next time try creating a technical thread and we'll shit post it up and get it moved to the Romper Room. ;)

There's such a mix of technical and shit posting that I'll meet you in the middle and move it to General Discussion. I'm sure this will satisfy nobody, which coincidentally is the name of my porn tape.

[Baldanders]

Baldanders and RevolverRob

I couldn't get the drills I had planed done because I ran out of time since I needed to chronograph a bunch of 300 Blackout loads as well. I captured as much .380 as I could scrounge to give a few other comparisons against the Single Hornady load in .32 NAA. I will get some drills shot on a timer for you Baldanders when I can get to the indoor range early next week. I hope for it to be by Tuesday at the latest. Here is what I was able to obtain.

1235R09MAY20
64 degrees Fahrenheit
400’ Above sea level
Ruger LCP II 2.75” Barrel (same length for .32 NAA conversion barrel).
Measurements taken at 10’ from Caldwell Chronograph


Federal HST 99gr .380 ACP Notes: Most recoil intensive. Forgot to record ejection pattern but was brisk.
AVG MV 939.8 FPS
AVG ME 194.11 FT-LBS
SD 9.7

Fiocchi 95gr FMJ .380 ACP Notes: Mild recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 814 FPS
AVG ME 125.03 FT-LBS
SD 20.1

Fiocchi Extrema 90gr XTP .380 ACP Notes: Really soft recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 838.2 FPS
AVG ME 140.37 FT-LBS
SD 9.4

Precision One 90gr XTP .380 ACP (Standard Pressure) Notes: softest recoiling round. Concerned it would not cycle proper but cycles fine. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 796.4 FPS
AVG ME 126.72 FT-LBS
SD 15.4

Hornady .32NAA Notes: Such soft recoil it is ridiculous. SD is lowest I've ever seen from a factory load.
AVG MV 980.4 FPS
AVG ME 170.7
SD 3.4

At first glance the .32NAA looks like a good go between in terms of performance of the HST 99gr stuff, (on paper) and the weaker preforming .380 ACP loads without the recoil. It is a very interesting concept but I would have liked to see more velocity. I bet we'd see it out of a slightly longer barrel but that would defeat the purpose for me. I want a super small pocket rocket with the best possible performance. I need to shoot it on a timer and some various distances.

Thanks!

Nice to see the Hornady load is close to factory velocities.

.380 results are interesting. Confirms my suspicion that the .32 fmj load is Fiocchi's only "warm" load.
(I have found their various .357 loads to feel pretty light)

[Baldanders]

There's such a mix of technical and shit posting that I'll meet you in the middle and move it to General Discussion. I'm sure this will satisfy nobody, which coincidentally is the name of my porn tape.

I was about to ask for a venue change, thanks.

And you always satisfy, BBI. (NOT the name of my porn tape.)



I really intended this to be 80% groofy, but I failed. I'm OK with that.

[Baldanders]

Definitely the velocity seems a bit on the low side, but that low standard deviation overall provides some confidence that the Hornady is at least under good QC. I admit with the last round of American Eagle differences, I've been getting a little...anxious over the quality of Federal's QC lately.

Thanks Mike!

Isn't Hornady's stated velocity 1000 fps from a 4" test barrel? The velocity from a sub 3" doesn't seem too bad to me.

80 grains @1000 fps strikes me as fitting what I want in a pocket .32 cartridge.

I have seen some crazy quotes on .32NAA on some other sites, like warm .32 H&R.

[Stephanie B]

I could carry this:

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In it's issue holster, even!

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[Half Moon]

There's such a mix of technical and shit posting that I'll meet you in the middle and move it to General Discussion. I'm sure this will satisfy nobody, which coincidentally is the name of my porn tape.

The veritable wisdom of a Solomon... :-P

Half technical, half shit post - it's the platypus of threads!

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[Rex G]

For the time when .38 becomes too much, there is an SP101, 4”, .32 H&R, with a quite smooth-action, in the safe. In the case of my right thumb/hand/wrist, that time might not be so far in the future. I have long carried “primary” at 0300, but, fortunately, I am functionally ambidextrous, with most handguns. (I was born left-handed, but right-armed.)

We have hers-and-his .32 H&R J-Snubs, too. She claimed the first one I found, so, yes, her-and-his. She carries hers somewhat often.

We rarely carry them, but have have his-and-hers Seecamp LWS-32 pistols. When I shot my “off-duty/back-up” quals at two, five, and seven yards, I could keep a decent group. When the rule changed to included 15 yards, I no longer tried to qual with the Seecamp, and it went into long-term hibernation. IIRC, when I carried the Seecamp as a back-up, while at work, it rode in a specific pocket of an issued heavy winter coat. In SE Texas, that means

I do not defend ditches, so, see the Seecamp as a very-special/unusual-occasion, “hide-out/primary” weapon, to be used very aggressively. A niche weapon, but a niche that could become very important. Unlike modern polymer-framed pistols, the solid Seecamp does not become useless, when empty.

[GearFondler]

A G42 in .32 NAA seems like a pretty cool idea... Moderately longer barrel, actually shootable with real gun ergos, pocketable under the right circumstances, and potentially more potent than 380 with less recoil.

[Jim Watson]

Among cartridge nerds, the wish is often for a true rimless .32 auto loaded about 100 fps hotter than .32 ACP.

Not quite the same thing but there was some work in Belgium and Italy on what I lump as .32 Super.
The 7mm Penna showed up at SHOT in a hideout gun but they were also talking to STI. How many .28s could you get in a 2011 magazine? They visualized it as an IPSC round, not having read the rules.
The 7.92mm VBR was testifired in a rebarrelled Glock, a PDW in the works. Meant for light recoil, high penetration, and I suspect, Barney Bullet gun control.

[Baldanders]

Not quite the same thing but there was some work in Belgium and Italy on what I lump as .32 Super.
The 7mm Penna showed up at SHOT in a hideout gun but they were also talking to STI. How many .28s could you get in a 2011 magazine? They visualized it as an IPSC round, not having read the rules.
The 7.92mm VBR was testifired in a rebarrelled Glock, a PDW in the works. Meant for light recoil, high penetration, and I suspect, Barney Bullet gun control.

What you call ".32 super" is interesting as another take on the same idea as 5.7mmx28.

Seems like the Ruger 57 might be a good platform for rounds like these.

[Baldanders]

A G42 in .32 NAA seems like a pretty cool idea... Moderately longer barrel, actually shootable with real gun ergos, pocketable under the right circumstances, and potentially more potent than 380 with less recoil.

I like the 42 already, that would be nifty.

Even better, Glock comes up with a similarly sized double stack in .32 GAP--no rim .32 ACP with another millimeter on it and thicker brass with near .32 NAA ballistics.

Yeah, I know, even if the above ever materializes, Glock is probably never using the GAP branding again.

[GearFondler]

I like the 42 already, that would be nifty.

Even better, Glock comes up with a similarly sized double stack in .32 GAP--no rim .32 ACP with another millimeter on it and thicker brass with near .32 NAA ballistics.

Yeah, I know, even if the above ever materializes, Glock is probably never using the GAP branding again..32 GPC sounds better to my ears for sure.

[Half Moon]

Well, if we're inventing new packages, how about 7.5 mm FK in a pocket pistol format?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_FK

2,000 fps out of a 6 inch barrel! In a snub auto bet it could probably double as a flash-bang grenade :-)

[OlongJohnson]

I like the idea of .32 NAA in an LCP. Might actually make the thing shootable. Maybe even G42. But I'm still not sold on 60-70 grain projectiles having enough KE to both expand the projectile and penetrate. It seems like even further behind the marginal line than .380, and that means over the edge. I'd be interested if there were FMJ bullets with nice flat noses (like the best WWB noses) and converted micro pistols were reliable with them. Then, even though you wouldn't be making a big hole, it would at least maybe be deep enough. But I looked earlier today, and there don't seem to be such things.

[RevolverRob]

Why not just a G42 in 7.65 Para? Which is effectively a 4mm longer .32 NAA. (7.65x21mm)Though often called “.30 Luger” it is actually a .309” bullet...

Or .32 French Long/Longue or 7.65x20mm - which is 3mm longer than a .32 ACP.

I was actually sitting around today, thinking someone should take the .22 TCM and blow it out to .32, it would basically be a mini-300BLK. Or effectively a .30 Carbine that fits in a standard 1911...

Edit Mike C - Looks like NAA may have a stash of Cor-Bon .32 NAA, including the 71-grain FMJ on hand: https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-32naa/

[OlongJohnson]

Why not just a G42 in 7.65 Para? Which is effectively a 4mm longer .32 NAA. (7.65x21mm)Though often called “.30 Luger” it is actually a .309” bullet...

Hornady makes a 90-gr .309 XTP for the Makarov crowd. There's a whole thread on .300BLKTalk about using them in sub loads in non-AR guns.



I was actually sitting around today, thinking someone should take the .22 TCM and blow it out to .32, it would basically be a mini-300BLK. Or effectively a .30 Carbine that fits in a standard 1911...

That is exactly what 7.92mm VBR is: .30 Carbine shortened with a .312 projectile. Probably somewhere between a .32 H&R and .327 Fed for semis.



Edit Mike C - Looks like NAA may have a stash of Cor-Bon .32 NAA, including the 71-grain FMJ on hand: https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-32naa/

That's going to do minimal tissue damage. Pics here:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1001485591

[RevolverRob]

Hornady makes a 90-gr .309 XTP for the Makarov crowd. There's a whole thread on .300BLKTalk about using them in sub loads in non-AR guns.




That is exactly what 7.92mm VBR is: .30 Carbine shortened with a .312 projectile. Probably somewhere between a .32 H&R and .327 Fed for semis.




That's going to do minimal tissue damage. Pics here:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1001485591

Was thinking about penetration with the FMJ.

The cavitator or Lehigh’s 55-grain extreme defense in .312” those are the ticket in .32 NAA. Based on the 65-grain .380 data and the .32 ACP data. It should be possible to push either of those bullets to 1200fps out an LCP.

[Baldanders]

Well, if we're inventing new packages, how about 7.5 mm FK in a pocket pistol format?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_FK

2,000 fps out of a 6 inch barrel! In a snub auto bet it could probably double as a flash-bang grenade :-)

There would probably be a lot more interest in that cartridge if the only gun chambered for it wasn't INSANELY priced.

I guess I should be more interested in the cartridge, but I can think of something better (In my own gun nerd parameters) for any use it makes sense for, with the possible exemption of long-range target/silhouette shooting.

But if the main advantage of the amazing-at-the-time 125 grain .357 SJHP was the blast, 7.5mmFK would have it beat all to hell in a PPK sized gun.

It may not be the Hammer of Thor, but it would have the Thunder and Lightning of Thor!

[RevolverRob]

There would probably be a lot more interest in that cartridge if the only gun chambered for it wasn't INSANELY priced.

I guess I should be more interested in the cartridge, but I can think of something better (In my own gun nerd parameters) for any use it makes sense for, with the possible exemption of long-range target/silhouette shooting.

But if the main advantage of the amazing-at-the-time 125 grain .357 SJHP was the blast, 7.5mmFK would have it beat all to hell in a PPK sized gun.

It may not be the Hammer of Thor, but it would have the Thunder and Lightning of Thor!

I have parable about the foibles of ignoring gun cartridges to relay. It will have to wait until tomorrow it is a bit too long to type out on my phone.

[Half Moon]

There would probably be a lot more interest in that cartridge if the only gun chambered for it wasn't INSANELY priced.

I guess I should be more interested in the cartridge, but I can think of something better (In my own gun nerd parameters) for any use it makes sense for, with the possible exemption of long-range target/silhouette shooting.

But if the main advantage of the amazing-at-the-time 125 grain .357 SJHP was the blast, 7.5mmFK would have it beat all to hell in a PPK sized gun.

It may not be the Hammer of Thor, but it would have the Thunder and Lightning of Thor!

More POWER!!! (grunt, grunt, grunt)

I have to wonder though if an “improved” .32 ACP (other than, god, yes! eliminate the semi-rim) would lose the essential character of the cartridge.

In my head at least, the essence of .32 ACP is a relatively short, ultra-low recoil cartridge well suited to sub-micro pistols and also minimal defense needs for folks with compromised hands or wrists. Any increase in length or power (recoil!) might rapidly push it out of its niche.

A better frontier to explore might be bullet design and feed ramp profiles. We know .32 ACP generally is in the 8” to 10” penetration range in ordinance gelatin. By contrast the .32 S&W Long wadcutter pushing a heavier but much slower bullet is hitting 12” to 15” in ordinance gelatin. Maybe a wadcutter or semi-wadcutter profile and a little more bullet weight (assuming suitable feed ramp geometry can be achieved) might get the .32 ACP a significant performance bump without destroying its niche utility.

Cartridge design is out of my lane and just spit-balling…

[RevolverRob]

Maybe a wadcutter or semi-wadcutter profile and a little more bullet weight (assuming suitable feed ramp geometry can be achieved) might get the .32 ACP a significant performance bump without destroying its niche utility.



I think you've got to go the other way, lighter bullet that is faster.

The trouble is, you can't stack a lot of powder in a .32 ACP case and a heavier bullet will take up even more case room (also potentially resulting in pressure spikes).

The 50-grain Lehigh Cavitator or 55-grain Lehigh Defense bullet offer the advantages of a monolithic bullet that will provide plenty of penetration and the ability to put more powder behind it and bump the velocity up.

This is why I'm leaning towards a monolithic bullet when I load .32 NAA. I'll have plenty of case capacity to drive the bullet fast, but without risking pressure spikes. Unfortunately, Hornady isn't offering the 80-grain FTX bullets in .312" for reloading currently. I've put in an email to see if maybe I can special order them or at least letting them know there is interest out there in the world.

EDIT: Also - just wanted to point this out - the rim diameter of .32 ACP (.358") is basically the same as the bullet diameter of the .380 (.355"). As a result you can't stack more .32s into the same size gun as a .380. And the loaded COAL are virtually identical. The only thing you can do is use a smaller barrel and chamber. But the .32 NAA is really the solution for a .32 ACP "Super" - because it allows more powder, uses standard .32 bullets, and loads to the same OAL.

[willie]

One way to increase velocity is using an undersized lead bullet. Lead bullets move through the barrel with less friction. A smaller diameter reduces resistance. This combination could interact to bring about desired results. But the pistol itself must have a longer dwell time during which barrel and slide remain locked. Heavier hammer spring and heavier recoil spring would slow down the slide's movement to the rear. I surmise that increased powder charge of either Bullseye or Red Dot would achieve desired velocity. Case capacity restricts powder choice. Since overall cartridge length must be maintained within strict limits, one way to increase powder charge is loading a hollow base bullet. The hollow cavity becomes part of the case capacity which then is increased.

This project's outcome will be a louder and harder recoiling .32 which will still be a .32 power wise. I recommend that tinkerers among us experiment. Custom mold builders will provide the mold. Charter Arms and S&W make .32 revolvers in various variations. A good question is can our souped up .32 ACP approach these ballistics? Maybe.

[RevolverRob]

Already got a response from Hornady this morning, ~25 minutes after I sent them an inquiry. They let me know it has been forward to the Directors of Marketing and Sales for consideration (that is the availability of 80-grain FTXs for reloading). Very fast turn around on that one, color me impressed.

[Mike C]

A G42 in .32 NAA seems like a pretty cool idea... Moderately longer barrel, actually shootable with real gun ergos, pocketable under the right circumstances, and potentially more potent than 380 with less recoil.

It would be cool though I will admit I am more interested in the .32NAA in the LCP format as a pocket gun with as much or slightly more energy than the standard .380 rounds (with an expanding round). Something I can use just for running or the outer coat pocked in winter/underwear gun. When I run the numbers it looks like with a 60gr .32 XTP bullet or a Speer GD and 4gr of Vit N320 I can get 1150-1200 out of the 2.75" barrel. If anything it will be fun to tinker with but I think it has the potential I'm looking for in a really small package. Who knows maybe RevolverRob can talk Hornady into making a spicier version of the 80gr FTX or a 60 XTP in .32 NAA running 1,150 FPS or there about.

[Baldanders]

More POWER!!! (grunt, grunt, grunt)

I have to wonder though if an “improved” .32 ACP (other than, god, yes! eliminate the semi-rim) would lose the essential character of the cartridge.

In my head at least, the essence of .32 ACP is a relatively short, ultra-low recoil cartridge well suited to sub-micro pistols and also minimal defense needs for folks with compromised hands or wrists. Any increase in length or power (recoil!) might rapidly push it out of its niche.

A better frontier to explore might be bullet design and feed ramp profiles. We know .32 ACP generally is in the 8” to 10” penetration range in ordinance gelatin. By contrast the .32 S&W Long wadcutter pushing a heavier but much slower bullet is hitting 12” to 15” in ordinance gelatin. Maybe a wadcutter or semi-wadcutter profile and a little more bullet weight (assuming suitable feed ramp geometry can be achieved) might get the .32 ACP a significant performance bump without destroying its niche utility.

Cartridge design is out of my lane and just spit-balling…


I am skeptical of non-RN .32 ACP loads due to rimlock issues. Flat nose Winchester. 32 is the only round which has caused rimlock in my p32. I am aware OAL is probably the bigger issue, but RNL configured ammo seems to be more trustworthy than other types.

Although PPU 70 grain jhp seems ok in my guns.

My bias is towards heavy-for-caliber bullets, but I think Rob's arguments are convincing.

ETA: I think it is good to keep in the mind the basic strength of the .32ACP is low recoil. It is why it has a place in my house.

[Half Moon]

EDIT: Also - just wanted to point this out - the rim diameter of .32 ACP (.358") is basically the same as the bullet diameter of the .380 (.355"). As a result you can't stack more .32s into the same size gun as a .380. And the loaded COAL are virtually identical. The only thing you can do is use a smaller barrel and chamber. But the .32 NAA is really the solution for a .32 ACP "Super" - because it allows more powder, uses standard .32 bullets, and loads to the same OAL.

For me, the question with .32 NAA is recoil. My understanding is it's closer to .380 than it is to .32 ACP. If so, that takes it from usable with the wife's hand issues to no-go for her.

[RevolverRob]

For me, the question with .32 NAA is recoil. My understanding is it's closer to .380 than it is to .32 ACP. If so, that takes it from usable with the wife's hand issues to no-go for her.

Well, I'll know more when I get my barrel dropped into an LCP. But Mike described the Hornady factory loads as softer than any of the .380s, but yes probably more than a .32 ACP.

That said, yea an all-steel gun or a bigger gun in a .32 NAA would be pretty awesome. I'm thinking if I like the way it works in an LCP, I might get a .380 PPK and have the barrel re-lined to .32 NAA. That would be cheaper than trying to get a barrel fit (since the PPK is a fixed barrel gun). And it seems like it would be a right fun gun to shoot.

Someone should ask Lone Wolf to do a .32 NAA G42 barrel. Not me - since I don't rock out with my Grock out. ;)

Edit Mike C - have you ordered dies yet? I heard the CH4D dies aren't very good. Trying to decide if I should just email LEE or Hornady for custom dies.

[Half Moon]

I am skeptical of non-RN .32 ACP loads due to rimlock issues. Flat nose Winchester. 32 is the only round which has caused rimlock in my p32. I am aware OAL is probably the bigger issue, but RNL configured ammo seems to be more trustworthy than other types.

Although PPU 70 grain jhp seems ok in my guns.

My bias is towards heavy-for-caliber bullets, but I think Rob's arguments are convincing.

ETA: I think it is good to keep in the mind the basic strength of the .32ACP is low recoil. It is why it has a place in my house.

Never had rimlock issues here with Winchester flat point but definitely had feeding issues with it in a 1903. The feed ramp does not like that profile.

The PPU JHP's are the only JHP the 1903 likes. Probably because of the long OAL. On the other hand, looking at the cavity profile I'd lay good odds that PPU JHP will never open under any circumstances so might as well be FMJ.

[Baldanders]

Never had rimlock issues here with Winchester flat point but definitely had feeding issues with it in a 1903. The feed ramp does not like that profile.

The PPU JHP's are the only JHP the 1903 likes. Probably because of the long OAL. On the other hand, looking at the cavity profile I'd lay good odds that PPU JHP will never open under any circumstances so might as well be FMJ.

Shot into 1 gallon milk jugs, a mag full (7rounds) of PPU JHP (from my p32) penetrated 4 milk jugs, aside from one round that stopped in the 4th jug. It showed a teeny bit of deformation.

I need to re-do that with the Cheetah, but my gut is they won't expand either.

I feel confident enough that PPU will act like FMJ that it is loaded in my wife's Tomcat.

[Torsius]

I’m not sure if anyone posted this, but Lucky Gunner tested several .32 ACP loads:

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-best-32-acp-ammo-for-self-defense/

Looking at the results, I would carry the 71/73 grain ball that shot best.

ETA: In the spirit of the thread, I always say a .22 or .25 might expand, but a .32 will never shrink.

[Mike C]

Well, I'll know more when I get my barrel dropped into an LCP. But Mike described the Hornady factory loads as softer than any of the .380s, but yes probably more than a .32 ACP.

That said, yea an all-steel gun or a bigger gun in a .32 NAA would be pretty awesome. I'm thinking if I like the way it works in an LCP, I might get a .380 PPK and have the barrel re-lined to .32 NAA. That would be cheaper than trying to get a barrel fit (since the PPK is a fixed barrel gun). And it seems like it would be a right fun gun to shoot.

Someone should ask Lone Wolf to do a .32 NAA G42 barrel. Not me - since I don't rock out with my Grock out. ;)

Edit Mike C - have you ordered dies yet? I heard the CH4D dies aren't very good. Trying to decide if I should just email LEE or Hornady for custom dies.

RevolverRob, I haven't I'm not sure how I want to handle the dies yet. I've got a bit on my plate and have been spending a little too much time posting as of late. I need to stop because I need to finish a ton of paperwork to close on some more property and some crap to deal with due to some contractor F'ups. If you decide you want to get some from Hornady or Lee dies if you end up getting in touch with them I'd like to jump in with you if you don't mind.

As to the G42 barrel that is something of interest for me. I was actually thinking of asking Innovative Arms but they said they are seriously backed up right now with suppressor orders. They said to give them about six months so I am going to do that, get a barrel or two more for the LCP's when they let me know and then go from there. They are really not far from me at all if you decide you want anything else from them. Actually, if I can clear some crap off my plate by Thursday I will give them a call and see if they'd be interested in making a .32 NAA barrel for the G42. I'll offer a free test gun maybe that will help them say yes.

[Joe in PNG]

And now I'm wanting a French SACM Model 1935a...

Actually, that's not true at all- I've always wanted one!

[revolvergeek]

Baldanders and RevolverRob

I couldn't get the drills I had planed done because I ran out of time since I needed to chronograph a bunch of 300 Blackout loads as well. I captured as much .380 as I could scrounge to give a few other comparisons against the Single Hornady load in .32 NAA. I will get some drills shot on a timer for you Baldanders when I can get to the indoor range early next week. I hope for it to be by Tuesday at the latest. Here is what I was able to obtain.

1235R09MAY20
64 degrees Fahrenheit
400’ Above sea level
Ruger LCP II 2.75” Barrel (same length for .32 NAA conversion barrel).
Measurements taken at 10’ from Caldwell Chronograph


Federal HST 99gr .380 ACP Notes: Most recoil intensive. Forgot to record ejection pattern but was brisk.
AVG MV 939.8 FPS
AVG ME 194.11 FT-LBS
SD 9.7

Fiocchi 95gr FMJ .380 ACP Notes: Mild recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 814 FPS
AVG ME 125.03 FT-LBS
SD 20.1

Fiocchi Extrema 90gr XTP .380 ACP Notes: Really soft recoil. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 838.2 FPS
AVG ME 140.37 FT-LBS
SD 9.4

Precision One 90gr XTP .380 ACP (Standard Pressure) Notes: softest recoiling round. Concerned it would not cycle proper but cycles fine. Forgot to record ejection pattern.
AVG MV 796.4 FPS
AVG ME 126.72 FT-LBS
SD 15.4

Hornady .32NAA Notes: Such soft recoil it is ridiculous. SD is lowest I've ever seen from a factory load.
AVG MV 980.4 FPS
AVG ME 170.7
SD 3.4

At first glance the .32NAA looks like a good go between in terms of performance of the HST 99gr stuff, (on paper) and the weaker preforming .380 ACP loads without the recoil. It is a very interesting concept but I would have liked to see more velocity. I bet we'd see it out of a slightly longer barrel but that would defeat the purpose for me. I want a super small pocket rocket with the best possible performance. I need to shoot it on a timer and some various distances.

Thanks for that! Interesting numbers. I am a little surprised and would have the .32NAA would be a little faster than that but still respectable numbers, particularly if the recoil is reduced. Hmmm...

[revolvergeek]

Why not just a G42 in 7.65 Para? Which is effectively a 4mm longer .32 NAA. (7.65x21mm)Though often called “.30 Luger” it is actually a .309” bullet...

Or .32 French Long/Longue or 7.65x20mm - which is 3mm longer than a .32 ACP.

I was actually sitting around today, thinking someone should take the .22 TCM and blow it out to .32, it would basically be a mini-300BLK. Or effectively a .30 Carbine that fits in a standard 1911...

Edit Mike C - Looks like NAA may have a stash of Cor-Bon .32 NAA, including the 71-grain FMJ on hand: https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-32naa/

Ok, I am a big .32 junky myself, but mostly in older revolvers (I cast and handload for .32 long and .32 mag). I had a Sauer 38H and stupidly sold it. That was a REALLY neat little gun. Hard cast wadcutters loaded a touch warm really elevate the performance of the .32 long and .32 mag revolvers and cut really nice crisp clean holes in things, and often present the same diameter cutting meplat as larger LSW and RNFP designs. A friend of mine here did some experiments with 115 and 120 grain LFP and LSW bullets in .32 Long and get dramatic increases in penetration in informal testing (milk jugs of water) without a log of blast and fuss. I had hoped to test some of those on hogs at a friend's farm last year, but they weren't letting anybody use anything bigger than a 22.

7.65 Para has always intrigued me. I have 3 bags of brass put back just because I found them cheap one day. I keep hoping that I will stumble into one of that Hi Powers or old Sig 220s one day... I think a 7,65 Para loaded warm with 90 - 100 XTPs could be an interesting load and would offer a reduced recoil drop in rebarreling option for a lot of the smaller 9mm pistols for people who are recoil sensitive, or just want something oddball to play with.

7.65 French Long would open up a moderate increase in capacity also. The ballistics on the Steinel ammo are a 100 fmj @1000FPS, so no powerhouse, but in a modern locked breach auto a +P / Super version could be interesting.

And now you people have me thinking about .32 NAA....

[john c]

That said, yea an all-steel gun or a bigger gun in a .32 NAA would be pretty awesome. I'm thinking if I like the way it works in an LCP, I might get a .380 PPK and have the barrel re-lined to .32 NAA. That would be cheaper than trying to get a barrel fit (since the PPK is a fixed barrel gun). And it seems like it would be a right fun gun to shoot.

Maybe try a .32 PP or PPK. The breechface is the same size a .380, and all you'd have to do is run a reamer in the chamber, rather than have a new barrel made.

Edit to add: Actually, pick up an FEG AP 63 in .32 ACP for about $220. Rent a .32 NAA chamber reamer from 4D Reamer Rentals for $42 plus shipping.

It turns out that KSI Guns is already doing this. You can pick up a modified FEG AP 63 for $450. Here's a GB link: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524981

[RevolverRob]

Maybe try a .32 PP or PPK. The breechface is the same size a .380, and all you'd have to do is run a reamer in the chamber, rather than have a new barrel made.

Edit to add: Actually, pick up an FEG AP 63 in .32 ACP for about $220. Rent a .32 NAA chamber reamer from 4D Reamer Rentals for $42 plus shipping.

It turns out that KSI Guns is already doing this. You can pick up a modified FEG AP 63 for $450. Here's a GB link: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524981

Oh excellent...just what I needed...more things to spend money on. :eek:

Good idea about doing a reamer on a .32 PP/PPK - the only problem there is they are harder to come by, especially a PPK proper (as opposed to a /s). The FEG certainly seems like a great way to get started though...

[Wheeler]

Maybe try a .32 PP or PPK. The breechface is the same size a .380, and all you'd have to do is run a reamer in the chamber, rather than have a new barrel made.

Edit to add: Actually, pick up an FEG AP 63 in .32 ACP for about $220. Rent a .32 NAA chamber reamer from 4D Reamer Rentals for $42 plus shipping.

It turns out that KSI Guns is already doing this. You can pick up a modified FEG AP 63 for $450. Here's a GB link: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524981

I now want to convert a Beretta Cheetah...

[RevolverRob]

I now want to convert a Beretta Cheetah...

HOT.

Muy caliente hot.

That would be fucking awesome.

The new scourge of P-F. After bringing back TDA handguns, the resurgence/growth of the HK LEM, walking back "fast splits" to "assessed splits" - We're gonna start converting all the .32 ACPs into .32 NAAs.

Speaking of - Serious Q - How many would have an interest in getting .32 NAA dies?

[Wheeler]

HOT.

Muy caliente hot.

That would be fucking awesome.

You probably know this.

All the Cheetahs are the same size. External mag dimensions, the guns themselves, etc. I'm wondering if a .32 barrel would fit in a .380 gun. If so the reaming process would be pretty cut and dried. Then you could have a 13 round, drop safe (using an 84F or 85F,) .32NAA pistol.

An alternative, presuming the breech face is the same size, would be to pick up a Series 81 for around $200 and reaming the chamber. The .380 magazines fit in the Series 81 guns with no issues. :)

[Mike C]

You probably know this.

All the Cheetahs are the same size. External mag dimensions, the guns themselves, etc. I'm wondering if a .32 barrel would fit in a .380 gun. If so the reaming process would be pretty cut and dried. Then you could have a 13 round, drop safe (using an 84F or 85F,) .32NAA pistol.

An alternative, presuming the breech face is the same size, would be to pick up a Series 81 for around $200 and reaming the chamber. The .380 magazines fit in the Series 81 guns with no issues. :)

That gun would be a hoot and perfect for my mom. I find the recoil on the .32 NAA even in the LCP to be really mild but maybe I'm biased because the only other pistols I shoot are the G43X and G48.

[Joe in PNG]

Someone do this immediately and post the results!!!!

[Lex Luthier]

I am so closely watching this space....

[OlongJohnson]

You'd still have that f'ed up Beretta safety that requires clicking through two detents, not just one, to actually be on safe.

[Wheeler]

You'd still have that f'ed up Beretta safety that requires clicking through two detents, not just one, to actually be on safe.

I don't find that to be an issue and am mildly surprised that it's an issue for others. I'll keep this filed away for the future. Thanks for sharing that perspective, I've learned something. :)

[Wheeler]

HOT.

Muy caliente hot.

That would be fucking awesome.

The new scourge of P-F. After bringing back TDA handguns, the resurgence/growth of the HK LEM, walking back "fast splits" to "assessed splits" - We're gonna start converting all the .32 ACPs into .32 NAAs.

Speaking of - Serious Q - How many would have an interest in getting .32 NAA dies?

I scrolled back through the thread and saw where you had priced dies. Do you have a link or source? Are you thinking about a group buy?

[Joe in PNG]

I scrolled back through the thread and saw where you had priced dies. Do you have a link or source? Are you thinking about a group buy?

Let's see the PF Old Man Pizza Popper proof of concept in operation first.

[Lex Luthier]

If it works, I would name the concept after TLG. My imagination is running wild with the possibilities.
I could see a .380 S & W Shield-EZ being converted, too, or the Walther CCP, which might be awesome in a hot .32, though large. Did I mention my imagination, as it is running wild?

[Wheeler]

Let's see the PF Old Man Pizza Popper proof of concept in operation first.

It's a bit difficult to work on the Proof of Concept without the dies... Just sayin. ;)

[RevolverRob]

I scrolled back through the thread and saw where you had priced dies. Do you have a link or source? Are you thinking about a group buy?

CH4D makes dies - http://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/caliber-list?filter-col=caliber&filter=Naa

I’ve heard mixed things about them. But that may be most related to getting custom rifle dies. Since there are SAAMI specs for .32 NAA this may not be a problem.

I’ll probably order from CH4D and if I don’t like the dies, I’ll contact lee or hornady for a custom set. Unless there are a bunch of us who want Hornady or Lee dies. So far it seems like just a few of us.

[Wheeler]

CH4D makes dies - http://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/caliber-list?filter-col=caliber&filter=Naa

I’ve heard mixed things about them. But that may be most related to getting custom rifle dies. Since there are SAAMI specs for .32 NAA this may not be a problem.

I’ll probably order from CH4D and if I don’t like the dies, I’ll contact lee or hornady for a custom set. Unless there are a bunch of us who want Hornady or Lee dies. So far it seems like just a few of us.

I am now cursing you. The dies cost more than I paid for the Cheetah... Now I gotta shuffle stuff to repad my gun fund. :)

[Baldanders]

I am so closely watching this space....

Me too. Love the Cheetah.

[Baldanders]

54067

https://www.taurusexport.com/en/products/pistols/medium-frame/pt-57-sc

I don't think many of these made it to the US.

I assume it's not a blowback? But maybe so?

ETA: looks like it is a blowback.

[TDA]

Maybe try a .32 PP or PPK. The breechface is the same size a .380, and all you'd have to do is run a reamer in the chamber, rather than have a new barrel made.

Edit to add: Actually, pick up an FEG AP 63 in .32 ACP for about $220. Rent a .32 NAA chamber reamer from 4D Reamer Rentals for $42 plus shipping.

It turns out that KSI Guns is already doing this. You can pick up a modified FEG AP 63 for $450. Here's a GB link: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524981

Interesting to note they've also done this to a Llama:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524982

I find that really cool to look at, although it's a little steep.

[john c]

Interesting to note they've also done this to a Llama:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/867524982

I find that really cool to look at, although it's a little steep.

I agree, a little steep, but not a lot steep. I think this is a better deal than the $450 FEG reamed out for .32 NAA.

[revolvergeek]

Personally I would stay away from the Llama. We had one at shop I worked at years ago that was sold, something broke, and was returned I think three times before the boss got fed up with it and threw it down one of the lanes and shot it full of holes with green tip. The .32 acp version seems to hold up better from what I have read on a couple of the reloading forums where .32s in general have big followings. No direct personal experience on than that one problematic .380.

The FEG is interesting though, because most of those have aluminum frames so you would shave weight and pick up velocity compared to a regular PP / PPK in .32 acp.

[Trooper224]

Taurus and Llama in the same thread? If the mods weren't shit there'd be a rule against that. Something about exceeding maximum bullshit tolerance. :)

[RevolverRob]

Taurus and Llama in the same thread? If the mods weren't shit there'd be a rule against that. Something about exceeding maximum bullshit tolerance. :)

Right?

I'm going back to the Beretta Cheetah.

A Model 81 reamed to .32NAA would be the tits.

[Half Moon]

Taurus and Llama in the same thread? If the mods weren't shit there'd be a rule against that. Something about exceeding maximum bullshit tolerance. :)

Bangor Punta, EAA, Jiminez, a Cobray…

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

[Trooper224]

Bangor Punta, EAA, Jiminez, a Cobray…

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Saints preserve us, we're reaching critical mass.

[Caballoflaco]

Saints preserve us, we're reaching critical mass.

I’m almost surprised that Rhom revolvers have only shown up in one recent thread.....

[Half Moon]

I’m almost surprised that Rhom revolvers have only shown up in one recent thread.....

Rohm?!? Don't need none of that pricy euro-trash. If it ain't zinc, it's kink...

:-P

(Need to post something on topic to redeem myself but not sure what...)

[Half Moon]

Lord, won't you buy me a Nineteen-Oh-Three
My trend has been shitposts
I must make amends...

54441

Wife's backup 1903 (Calibre 32 Rimless Smokeless*) and Schrade Scrimshaw. Both picked up surprisingly cheap at the same gun show. Plus her antique Singer sewing machine gifted from a neighbor she helped.

*which come to think of it are all lies: Not really .32, not really rimless, and, especially with PPU, not smokeless...

[RevolverRob]

Will you guys quit shit-posting in my .32 NAA Love-Fest thread?

Jesus. I'm trying to take a Baldanders shit-post thread, turn into a tech thread, and now you guys are turning it back into a shit-post thread.

[Baldanders]

Will you guys quit shit-posting in my .32 NAA Love-Fest thread?

Jesus. I'm trying to take a Baldanders shit-post thread, turn into a tech thread, and now you guys are turning it back into a shit-post thread.

Why we can't have good things. 😥

Dear lord, I carry a Kel-Tec and a Kahr, but Rohm and Jimenez will get you laughed at in the 'hood.

I saw a Llama slide that had what can only be called a "rust tumor" once, looked liked it was about to metastasize.

Anyway, this thread seems like a good place to note I have turned to the dark side and am focusing on semiautos, as evidenced by my PT 92 thread. Also I need advanced skills in semis so the soon-to-be-mine R51 doesn't kill me.

I say this fits the thread 'cause an R51 is one 9mm that many P-Fers might turn down over RR's .32acp project gun.

Vs Hi-Point? Hmmmm. New poll!!!!!

[Wheeler]

Will you guys quit shit-posting in my .32 NAA Love-Fest thread?

Jesus. I'm trying to take a Baldanders shit-post thread, turn into a tech thread, and now you guys are turning it back into a shit-post thread.

This brings up the question of the penetration of the .32 NAA through 4 layers of irony. We must test this.

[TDA]

Will you guys quit shit-posting in my .32 NAA Love-Fest thread?

Jesus. I'm trying to take a Baldanders shit-post thread, turn into a tech thread, and now you guys are turning it back into a shit-post thread.

Sorry, I went to Gunbroker and spent a little (ha!) while surfing everything listed in .32 ACP, and we’re probably all lucky I didn’t track more of that back in with me.
Also I’ve got this book:
54458

[Trooper224]

Sorry, I went to Gunbroker and spent a little (ha!) while surfing everything listed in .32 ACP, and we’re probably all lucky I didn’t track more of that back in with me.
Also I’ve got this book:
54458

That's as interesting as a book on the history of the AMC Pacer.

[TDA]

That's as interesting as a book on the history of the AMC Pacer.

Because I own a book about Spanish Handguns, I own no Spanish Handguns. It’s amazing, I have these warm fuzzy feelings about the western academic tradition and Plato and stuff.