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NH Shooter
04-25-2020, 07:37 AM
I've seen enough photos of S&W TDA pistols posted here that I thought it might be worth a dedicated thread.

Here is my lightly-used 5906 I purchased new in 1989;

https://i.ibb.co/YdLRhpK/5906-10.jpg (https://ibb.co/X5C2tSd)

https://i.ibb.co/gZn3RPQ/5906-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/hFqymZr)

https://i.ibb.co/B3GC1QM/5906-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/8sb7hfZ)

https://i.ibb.co/zRGJRbY/5906-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/pzJyzZ8)

Lost River
04-25-2020, 09:04 AM
In my best Highlander voice " There can be only One!" :




https://i.imgur.com/oOPjlA0.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/kjqpnCM.jpg
The 4506 is The ultimate classic S&W TDA to own.

In this case, it is a decocker version.

Lost River
04-25-2020, 09:11 AM
https://i.imgur.com/egRWOQC.jpg


The 4563 TSW is not a bad little guy either.

SeriousStudent
04-25-2020, 09:39 AM
I really want a 4506. But then I look at prices for mags and spare parts, and get a queasy feeling....

That Guy
04-25-2020, 11:59 AM
At least you can find spare magazines. This has been a bit of an issue with my girlfriend's 4506.

(Although it should be possible to modify 1911 magazines. I have yet to try this myself though, due to... extreme laziness, I guess?)

Guerrero
04-25-2020, 12:44 PM
I have a question: whenever I see these S&W autos, the grips always look really blocky to me. Are they, or is that just an optical illusion from the contrasting colors?

Trooper224
04-25-2020, 01:30 PM
Shown before, but for posterity.............
4506
https://a4.pbase.com/g12/64/521964/2/170433271.Ycc6LPXv.jpg
4566
https://a4.pbase.com/g10/64/521964/2/168663481.Mmi9rWmp.jpg

farscott
04-25-2020, 01:44 PM
Novak-smithed M915

Jared
04-25-2020, 02:57 PM
I have a question: whenever I see these S&W autos, the grips always look really blocky to me. Are they, or is that just an optical illusion from the contrasting colors?

Sort of..... The 9mm 5906 type guns aren’t too bad. I found the 45’s the be rather unergonomic for me. My faves are the alloy framed 9mms.

Screwball
04-25-2020, 04:24 PM
My 1006...

https://i.imgur.com/yH0IhCw.jpg

FBI 15 rounder, converted to decock-only, and I do have an extended slide release that is not pictured. Love the gun, and is one I will never sell.

Now, if we get some .357 SIG and .40 conversion barrels... I’d be set.

Suvorov
04-25-2020, 04:34 PM
One of my dream guns! Purchased almost 30 years ago from a rural sheriff deputy who retired and wanted to carry a revolver. Still serves as my back county pistol.

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Baldanders
04-25-2020, 04:41 PM
The 80s hotness thread was fanning the fire of my lust for these things bad enough already.

Pics aren't helping.

(First centerfire gun shot=Model 59)

Vista461
04-25-2020, 05:59 PM
I miss my 4003, my love of the 3rd Gen will get me again and I’ll get another in a moment of weakness I’m sure.

Lost River
04-25-2020, 06:09 PM
I have a question: whenever I see these S&W autos, the grips always look really blocky to me. Are they, or is that just an optical illusion from the contrasting colors?

I found the rubber Hogues to be just a little thick, as compared to the narrower plastic/delrin or whatever you call the narrower ones that I prefer, shown here:


https://i.imgur.com/Jg50Yix.jpg

The trade off is that the larger rubber Hogues are more comfortable when it comes to absorbing felt recoil (to me).

Both work fine though, and I would not complain either way.

Duelist
04-25-2020, 06:17 PM
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3913 LadySmith and 3913
Movies and TV made me like them before I ever handled one: MIB, and The Pretender. These were my primary carry guns for several years. The LS is gone now, the regular one was the first gun I ever cleaned a Dot Torture with. It belongs to my daughter, though she rarely shoots it.

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4516-1
This one is all Sonny Crockett’s fault. My only .45. If the 4506 they had at the same time hadn’t been buggered, I’d probably have gotten it instead.

Lost River
04-25-2020, 11:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/hbnhZxX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6eDIg7h.jpg


The old 645.

The-Gears
04-26-2020, 03:59 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200426/e30e1939938dff10c139388575e54472.jpg

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

Oldherkpilot
04-26-2020, 07:09 AM
I have a question: whenever I see these S&W autos, the grips always look really blocky to me. Are they, or is that just an optical illusion from the contrasting colors?

The factory stocks are not what I'd call blocky but any of the aftermarket stocks I tried were far too big for my hands. The factory one piece design in nylon (?) was pretty streamlined. The fancy wood stocks you see are gorgeous but too large for me. I must admit I only tried Hogue's stocks, so others might be less bulky.

OlongJohnson
04-26-2020, 08:35 AM
The factory one piece design in nylon (?) was pretty streamlined.

Xenoy was the name of the material.

Trooper224
04-28-2020, 02:34 PM
Back to the factory grips for me.
https://a4.pbase.com/g12/64/521964/2/170663267.l6GYIXAF.jpg

23JAZ
05-04-2020, 02:00 PM
Did S&W ever make a 9mm TDA that was decock only? I saw the CHP had a 40 cal decock only but I can't find a 9mm version.

OlongJohnson
05-04-2020, 02:41 PM
Yes, but they were rare. Still numbered 6906 or 5906. Several parts were different. It's detailed out on the blue forum somewhere. Been a few years since I went down that rabbit hole. I've never seen one. Not a big fan of the slide-mounted controls on these or Berettas. All my S&W 3rd gens are DAO.

Hambo
05-04-2020, 04:38 PM
Did S&W ever make a 9mm TDA that was decock only? I saw the CHP had a 40 cal decock only but I can't find a 9mm version.

5926.

Paul D
05-04-2020, 06:02 PM
Question about the decocker only guns. I have a 4506 I bought from somebody here that has a buttery smooth DA pull but the SA pull is nasty. It is a decocker only gun. Is the decocker only mechanism only affects the safety like the Beretta 92G or it can affect the trigger. I'm thinking of scrounging some parts to change out to if the SA pull gets better.

farscott
05-04-2020, 06:43 PM
Question about the decocker only guns. I have a 4506 I bought from somebody here that has a buttery smooth DA pull but the SA pull is nasty. It is a decocker only gun. Is the decocker only mechanism only affects the safety like the Beretta 92G or it can affect the trigger. I'm thinking of scrounging some parts to change out to if the SA pull gets better.

FBI-style decocker or the traditional lever on the slide? The former design was not well considered and messed with the single-action trigger as a different (from regular 3rd Generation) interface where the trigger, the trigger play spring and drawbar intersect was used.

Paul D
05-04-2020, 07:10 PM
FBI-style decocker or the traditional lever on the slide? The former design was not well considered and messed with the single-action trigger as a different (from regular 3rd Generation) interface where the trigger, the trigger play spring and drawbar intersect was used.

The lever is on the slide and not the Sig-Sauer P series type decocker (if that is the FBI style). Weird thing is I have a CHP 40 Tactical 4006 and it is great. I hope it is only the decocker in the slide that is the culprit.

farscott
05-04-2020, 07:22 PM
Your pistol does not have the FBI-style decocking lever.

Can you describe what makes the SA pull "nasty"? Is the trigger flopping around unless rearward pressure is applied? Or is there another issue? Based on the fact that you have a CHP 4006, I am guessing it is not a "flopping trigger" as the CHP guns come without a trigger play spring.

Paul D
05-04-2020, 09:41 PM
Your pistol does not have the FBI-style decocking lever.

Can you describe what makes the SA pull "nasty"? Is the trigger flopping around unless rearward pressure is applied? Or is there another issue? Based on the fact that you have a CHP 4006, I am guessing it is not a "flopping trigger" as the CHP guns come without a trigger play spring.

On my gun, when you pull the trigger in DA mode, the trigger swings back in a smooth consistent arc with a surprise break. Once in SA mode, the trigger is positioned almost half-way back like my other 3rd Gen guns when not touching the trigger. As you begin to take up slack when you pull the trigger, you will feel a "ledge" that the trigger has to go over before it reaches the point where it should break. It takes some inordinate force to get over this ledge and you can hear a loud click when it does. The SA break itself is pretty heavy in SA mode. I don't feel the ledge on the DA pull. I would rather have his gun as a DAO gun and than deal with that SA trigger.

Duelist
05-04-2020, 09:49 PM
On my gun, when you pull the trigger in DA mode, the trigger swings back in a smooth consistent arc with a surprise break. Once in SA mode, the trigger is positioned almost half-way back like my other 3rd Gen guns when not touching the trigger. As you begin to take up slack when you pull the trigger, you will feel a "ledge" that the trigger has to go over before it reaches the point where it should break. It takes some inordinate force to get over this ledge and you can hear a loud click when it does. The SA break itself is pretty heavy in SA mode. I don't feel the ledge on the DA pull. I would rather have his gun as a DAO gun and than deal with that SA trigger.

Well, that’s weird.

Paul D
05-04-2020, 10:07 PM
Well, that’s weird.

This forced me to look closer. I think I know what it is: the trigger play spring that mates the trigger and the draw bar looks kinda jacked. @farscott (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=2197) comment about the FBI decock made me look closer at that part. I wonder if I can cannibalize the trigger play spring from my 5906 parts kit to make it work. It hope it's not a problem with the rivet that holds that spring in. Also will need to find a trigger and trigger bar if the spring is not the problem. Gonna give it a try later.

OlongJohnson
05-04-2020, 10:39 PM
Paul D

Might be a cheap fix.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100444994?pid=373038

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004406447?pid=136624

Grant Cunningham's site recommends http://www.glenncustom.com/ for S&W work. Think he's in your neighborhood.

Paul D
05-04-2020, 10:57 PM
@Paul D (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=388)

Might be a cheap fix.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100444994?pid=373038

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004406447?pid=136624

Grant Cunningham's site recommends http://www.glenncustom.com/ for S&W work. Think he's in your neighborhood.

Thanks! I also found the parts on Brownells. Frank is awesome. He upgraded my Colt 1911 9mm.

Bigghoss
05-04-2020, 11:51 PM
Saw a nice 5906 TSW at the LGS the other day but it wasn't de-cock only and the light rail had been removed. I would not have been able to resist otherwise. As I understand it converting a TSW to de-cock only just requires swapping some parts but the parts are unobtanium any more. Not that it really matters since I'd only shoot it for fun but still.


I'm curious, what would it take to convert a 4006 to 9mm? It would be cool to have a CHP 4006 in 9mm. I should just look for a nice 5906 on Gunbroker.


Guess I should post some pics. At one point I had come across a regular 4006 TSW that had belonged to my local sheriff's department so I picked it up but the spur on the hammer did a number on my hand and I really wanted a CHP 4006 anyway. I was able to score one from a member here. I also got a 4506-1 from DB. Yes, I did try dual-wielding the 4006's like a goober.
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Paul D
05-05-2020, 01:40 AM
I know every loves the badass 4506 but for everyday carry, I love my 457. It is plain Jane but with its alloy frame, it is flat and easy to carry. It is not too hard to shoot either. Only problem is that the only holsters that are readily available are leather non-AIWB types like the Kramer #2.

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Trooper224
05-05-2020, 10:30 AM
This forced me to look closer. I think I know what it is: the trigger play spring that mates the trigger and the draw bar looks kinda jacked. @farscott (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=2197) comment about the FBI decock made me look closer at that part. I wonder if I can cannibalize the trigger play spring from my 5906 parts kit to make it work. It hope it's not a problem with the rivet that holds that spring in. Also will need to find a trigger and trigger bar if the spring is not the problem. Gonna give it a try later.

You can remove the TPS all together, it won't hurt anything. My 4566 is sans TPS and without issue.

Paul D
05-05-2020, 03:07 PM
You can remove the TPS all together, it won't hurt anything. My 4566 is sans TPS and without issue.

Thanks! I hope you are right and that it fixes the problem.

Trooper224
05-05-2020, 04:04 PM
Thanks! I hope you are right and that it fixes the problem.

The purpose of the TPS is to minimize take up in the SA trigger. It's easily broken or bent and some agencies specifically requested it be left off their pistols, since the juice really isn't worth the squeeze.

farscott
05-05-2020, 04:07 PM
Saw a nice 5906 TSW at the LGS the other day but it wasn't de-cock only and the light rail had been removed. I would not have been able to resist otherwise. As I understand it converting a TSW to de-cock only just requires swapping some parts but the parts are unobtanium any more. Not that it really matters since I'd only shoot it for fun but still.


I'm curious, what would it take to convert a 4006 to 9mm? It would be cool to have a CHP 4006 in 9mm. I should just look for a nice 5906 on Gunbroker.


Guess I should post some pics. At one point I had come across a regular 4006 TSW that had belonged to my local sheriff's department so I picked it up but the spur on the hammer did a number on my hand and I really wanted a CHP 4006 anyway. I was able to score one from a member here. I also got a 4506-1 from DB. Yes, I did try dual-wielding the 4006's like a goober.
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Believe it or not, but S&W designed the 3rd Generation guns so that the wrong caliber magazine cannot be inserted into the gun by keying the magazines and frames. The 5906 magazine will go into only 9x19 guns, not the 40xx guns. As such, no one ever made conversion barrels. So even if you still could get a custom barrel, the original magazine would have to be used. S&W was concerned that someone might insert a .40 caliber magazine into a 9x19 pistol and vice versa.

Checkman
05-29-2020, 09:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/hbnhZxX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6eDIg7h.jpg


The old 645.

Good looking pistol. I used to own a 745, but it got away from me. I'll be holding onto my 4586. I like your username. You out in the Arco area? I grew up outside of Rigby. Live in Caldwell now. My 4513TSW to ensure I show a photo of a TDA S&W.

Trooper224
05-29-2020, 09:46 PM
In case anyone's close and interested, Wichita Gun Club recently got a few of the CHP 4006TSW's in stock. Price is $425 and everyone I looked at was in good shape. If I was into .40S&W one would have went home with me.

Bigghoss
05-30-2020, 10:26 PM
In case anyone's close and interested, Wichita Gun Club recently got a few of the CHP 4006TSW's in stock. Price is $425 and everyone I looked at was in good shape. If I was into .40S&W one would have went home with me.

I'm so into 3rd gens that I got into .40S&W for the CHP 4006TSW.

Trooper224
05-30-2020, 11:07 PM
I'm so into 3rd gens that I got into .40S&W for the CHP 4006TSW.

I'm sure my bank account is grateful I haven't gone quite that far down that rabbit hole.

Bigghoss
05-31-2020, 01:58 AM
I'm sure my bank account is grateful I haven't gone quite that far down that rabbit hole.

Haha. I only have 2 at the moment and two others that have passed through my hands. I'm waiting for the right 5906 to find me and that'll probably do it for me. Maybe.

Bucky
05-31-2020, 09:04 AM
Is it me, or do these pistols get a lot more love now they’re no longer made.

Even I have a greater fascination now, then when they were sitting on the new guns gun shelves.

Trooper224
05-31-2020, 12:06 PM
Haha. I only have 2 at the moment and two others that have passed through my hands. I'm waiting for the right 5906 to find me and that'll probably do it for me. Maybe.

At this time I have a 4506 and a 4566. I need at least one more 4506, which I prefer over the 4566. I wouldn't pass on a nice 645 either and a clean 5906 would be welcomed, just for reasons.

Trooper224
05-31-2020, 12:07 PM
Is it me, or do these pistols get a lot more love now they’re no longer made.

Even I have a greater fascination now, then when they were sitting on the new guns gun shelves.

That seems to be the way with most things.

Jared
05-31-2020, 04:36 PM
Is it me, or do these pistols get a lot more love now they’re no longer made.

Even I have a greater fascination now, then when they were sitting on the new guns gun shelves.

I’ve had a few of them over the last few years, all 9’s except for one 40 and a pair of 4506’s. I like the damn things, but I really don’t shoot them particularly well. I still think the Berettas and SIGs are better examples of the old school “wondernine.” I shoot those better, and in my opinion the ergos are better. That said, I’d friggin love to see the 3913 resurrected with a poly frame and maybe a lockup system that was easier and less expensive to mass produce. Well the sucker for about 6 bills and I’d buy 3,

Lost River
05-31-2020, 05:21 PM
Good looking pistol. I used to own a 745, but it got away from me. I'll be holding onto my 4586. I like your username. You out in the Arco area? I grew up outside of Rigby. Live in Caldwell now. My 4513TSW to ensure I show a photo of a TDA S&W.


I have property in the Mackay area. I also used to carry one of those issued 4586 pistols years back before the switch to G21s.

Checkman
05-31-2020, 08:16 PM
Is it me, or do these pistols get a lot more love now they’re no longer made.

Even I have a greater fascination now, then when they were sitting on the new guns gun shelves.

I didn't care for them when they were being made. It was a few years ago that I started to appreciate them when I purchased a 745 (2nd Gen). I then inherited my father's two (4586 & 4516) and I realized that I had not given them their due. It was then that I learned that the 3rd Gen pistols were no longer being made. I hadn't been paying attention. Like many things I didn't appreciate them until they were gone.

TheNewbie
05-31-2020, 11:39 PM
Did any of you ever use or shoot the CS45?

If so, how did you like the gun?

Rock185
07-06-2020, 03:04 AM
I've been a fan of the TDA pistols since the '60s, and still have some 3rd. Gen. guns. One is a 1026.

NH Shooter
07-14-2020, 06:20 AM
My Milt Sparks BN55 arrived yesterday. Here it is with my Comp-Tac belt (now a little too big for me) and a JMCK #3 magazine pouch. It rides comfortably for a heavy gun, and as per their recommendation (https://www.miltsparks.com/questions.php) for a tight fit the pistol now draws reasonably well with plenty of retention remaining. Though it's not intended for EDC, it's nice to have this rig in the event I want to.

Classic American metal and leather, it's definitely what I'll be wearing for now on as my range gun!


https://i.ibb.co/DRMhwys/5906-11.jpg

Rock185
07-17-2020, 12:24 AM
CQB .45s, Stainless frame and alloy frame.

Dennis
07-17-2020, 02:31 AM
4566, 4516, and 3913 in the old school holsters they used to be carried in. The 4566 holsters are in surprisingly good shape for 5+ years of service!

Dennis.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200717/7b1bee5708cf45c5e24106c6d8aa78f3.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200717/dff573f278f7cd724bb96e630104cf1a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200717/e0609cb6474c10f835e77a4f09774ffa.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200717/91ca1fe7ce9e1507d26e29083ace3f70.jpg

Rock185
07-18-2020, 12:48 PM
Can't recall if I posted this TDA pair before, so here goes; PC 4" and 5" 5906s.

Bigghoss
07-19-2020, 09:51 AM
Can't recall if I posted this TDA pair before, so here goes; PC 4" and 5" 5906s.

I'm jealous.

Lost River
07-31-2021, 07:35 PM
https://i.imgur.com/b21zSLZ.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/YDAYKfD.jpg?1

SCCY Marshal
07-31-2021, 08:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/YDAYKfD.jpg?1

You ever post about this one in detail? I want to know much more.

breakingtime91
07-31-2021, 08:43 PM
Can anyone tell me about the 3913 and 3914 guns?

Duelist
08-01-2021, 12:37 AM
Can anyone tell me about the 3913 and 3914 guns?

What do you want to know? Aluminum frame, stainless slide /light color anodized frame 3913, blue/dark anodized frame 3914, 9mm true single stack, 8 round magazines, magazine safety, decock/safety that is ambi on most of them, but single sided on the LadySmith.

OlongJohnson
08-01-2021, 07:09 AM
Worth searching. There are some old posts around here from people whose agencies ran them with good tech info.

BobM
08-01-2021, 03:29 PM
Can anyone tell me about the 3913 and 3914 guns?

I bought one when they came out and carried it off duty for a long time. It was also my primary IDPA gun back then. I was issued a 5906 from 1990-2006 so it made sense to me to have a similar pistol for off duty carry and competition use. At some point I got another one (since sold) and sometimes carried both, in RH and LH IWBs, along with a Blade Tech double mag pouch. I also had a 4506 that I sometimes carried and competed with.
The only malfunction I ever had with the 3913 was with one of my own reloads. It carried great in an IWB, especially in the summer.

entropy
08-02-2021, 12:38 AM
They are the SA/DA version of the BHP. Smooth lines and sexy (even the 4506 if you’re into stout women!).

It’s a shame I have to live vicariously then you all...

TheNewbie
08-02-2021, 05:35 AM
The CQB 4563 is just too cool.

Trooper224
08-02-2021, 08:00 PM
Given the events of the past year, a couple of months ago it was mandated that we CSOs can once again carry POWs into the facility. I work out before I go on duty, so I typically arrive in gym clothes, ie. no belt. The policy also dictates the weapon remain in the holster at all times and the holster possess some kind of retention device: thumb break, mechanical latch, etc. I typically carry IWB and none of my holsters have retention devices other than form fitting friction, so that leaves the old shoulder rig as the only option. Consequently, I'm rocking the 4506 in the Miami Classic five days a week, to and from work. It works pretty well for that use, but it almost doesn't fit into that little lock box. :)

https://a4.pbase.com/g12/64/521964/2/171843620.ZYfLK9kd.jpg

SD
08-03-2021, 07:55 AM
In the early 90's this was on the want list, something else always won out. Recently acquired this one as NIB.

Except for cleaning it and posing for this photo stays in the safe.

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Lost River
08-03-2021, 10:57 AM
You ever post about this one in detail? I want to know much more.

https://i.imgur.com/BKJQ1Gm.jpg?1


https://i.imgur.com/U5sPehH.jpg?1





While visiting Ken Hackathorn early this spring, we were going through his safe and I was drooling over some very very nice guns (to put it mildly). He was in the process of downsizing a little bit and the short version is that he was extremely kind to me on this deal. It is a gun that will never be sold, and will go to one of my kids or grandkids.

The model # on the black gun is a 4563, same as the stainless colored one shown in the pic above. I had previously mistakenly stated that the black one had a 4&1/4" barrel, as 4563 TSWs have 4&1/4" barrels. However I have since discovered that it is actually a 4" barrel. Some digging around on the net seems to show that 108 all black CQBs were produced, and 211 two tone (silver frame. black slide) were made.

The gun itself is a traditional DA/SA with a decocker. It came with a standard hammer, which was replaced with the bobbed version shown. The original was retained, so if ever I decide to return it to its original configuration, that can be done. In shooting both my TSW and the CQB, I have not really developed a preference yet.

The CQB guns are performance center guns, have Briley bushings that are hand fitted and shoot extremely accurately. One owner, when describing his 4563 PC gun, stated that it shot comparable to his Sig P210, and based on my range time, I believe it. Previously I had mentioned that the only .45 I have that shoots like it is my Baer 1.5" 1911. Suffice to say, the 4563 performance center gun is exceptional in the accuracy department. Any accuracy issues are purely the fault of the driver.

I have been carrying the PC gun quite a bit since acquiring it, as I have been spending a good bit of time in the mountains and traveling. It meets my needs as a big bore animal defense piece, yet due to its size (I have previously described it as a DA/SA lightweight Commander) it works perfectly as a concealed carry piece for when in town.

It has very quickly become one of my favorites.

DpdG
08-03-2021, 01:43 PM
Is the slide on that CQB blued or melonite’d? My first issued duty gun was a decock only 4566 in melonite, which I’ve come to find was a very unusual variant. For reasons both sentimental and monitory, I regret that I sold it a year or two after purchasing it from the agency.

Lost River
08-03-2021, 08:14 PM
I would have to see a blued gun and a melonite one together to differentiate the two, and not being a serious collector, I could not tell you what models had what finish. I bet we have some guys like Trooper224 or SW CQB 45 . Either of them could probably tell you exactly what the finish is w/o guessing.

Pretty sure SW CQB 45 carried a 4563 as a duty gun for a while as I recall him saying.

SW CQB 45
08-03-2021, 08:33 PM
My PC CQB 4563 was 2 tone and the slide was blackened stainless steel.

It is my educated guess that it is not melonite as the black would easily come off the slide with holster wear.

Nice guns and one with a bobbed hammer.

I recall there being a melonite version, but not a CQB version.

SW CQB 45
08-03-2021, 08:53 PM
these posts should shed some light

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/650708-my-pc-45-cqb-collection.html?highlight=black+4566

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/522850-melonite-4566-kjf-prefix.html?highlight=Melonite+4566

entropy
08-03-2021, 09:42 PM
these posts should shed some light

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/650708-my-pc-45-cqb-collection.html?highlight=black+4566

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/522850-melonite-4566-kjf-prefix.html?highlight=Melonite+4566



Wow.

DpdG
08-04-2021, 01:35 AM
My issued academy gun, mentioned above, was one of the RJF prefix ones. Appeared to be pretty bog standard 4566- no Briley bushing, rail, or forward cocking serrations. Very reliable and mechanically accurate, but the straight slab side grip panels did not work well for my hand. I had gotten a grip from a FBI 1076 that had a palm swell that work much better for me.

Trooper224
08-04-2021, 09:12 AM
Wow.

The 3rd Gen rabbit hole is deep.

SW CQB 45
08-04-2021, 09:21 AM
my large hands did not like the standard SW grip.

I went to Hogue rubbers and they worked fine. At some point, I was getting misfires with my CQB.... it was baffling.

I was cleaning the gun and had the Hogue's off and noticed unusual marks on the inside back strap of the Hogue.

Yup, my mega grip fatigued the Hogues and I was pushing the grip into the hammer strut causing the misfires. I was my own culprit.

I went factory palm swell decocker grips from that point. I found them too slippery for my taste, so the image shows grip tape and grit paint on my two CQBs from way back.

Shorty 45 muzzle at top left.

both CQBs, I trimmed the hammer spur as it would bite me.

https://i.imgur.com/6zKGZ7Yh.jpg

TheNewbie
08-04-2021, 11:06 AM
https://i.imgur.com/BKJQ1Gm.jpg?1


https://i.imgur.com/U5sPehH.jpg?1





While visiting Ken Hackathorn early this spring, we were going through his safe and I was drooling over some very very nice guns (to put it mildly). He was in the process of downsizing a little bit and the short version is that he was extremely kind to me on this deal. It is a gun that will never be sold, and will go to one of my kids or grandkids.

The model # on the black gun is a 4563, same as the stainless colored one shown in the pic above. I had previously mistakenly stated that the black one had a 4&1/4" barrel, as 4563 TSWs have 4&1/4" barrels. However I have since discovered that it is actually a 4" barrel. Some digging around on the net seems to show that 108 all black CQBs were produced, and 211 two tone (silver frame. black slide) were made.

The gun itself is a traditional DA/SA with a decocker. It came with a standard hammer, which was replaced with the bobbed version shown. The original was retained, so if ever I decide to return it to its original configuration, that can be done. In shooting both my TSW and the CQB, I have not really developed a preference yet.

The CQB guns are performance center guns, have Briley bushings that are hand fitted and shoot extremely accurately. One owner, when describing his 4563 PC gun, stated that it shot comparable to his Sig P210, and based on my range time, I believe it. Previously I had mentioned that the only .45 I have that shoots like it is my Baer 1.5" 1911. Suffice to say, the 4563 performance center gun is exceptional in the accuracy department. Any accuracy issues are purely the fault of the driver.

I have been carrying the PC gun quite a bit since acquiring it, as I have been spending a good bit of time in the mountains and traveling. It meets my needs as a big bore animal defense piece, yet due to its size (I have previously described it as a DA/SA lightweight Commander) it works perfectly as a concealed carry piece for when in town.

It has very quickly become one of my favorites.


How do they compare size wise to the Glock 17 and Glock 19?

Lost River
08-04-2021, 11:56 AM
How do they compare size wise to the Glock 17 and Glock 19?

Funny you ask that, as I am using a G19 holster to carry the black Performance Center one. The rails on the TSW make it non compatible with a number of holsters. I found that the TSW fits in holster built for a Sig 226 rail gun.


Short version is that they are Glock 19/ Lightweight Commander sized guns.

TheNewbie
08-04-2021, 12:30 PM
Funny you ask that, as I am using a G19 holster to carry the black Performance Center one. The rails on the TSW make it non compatible with a number of holsters. I found that the TSW fits in holster built for a Sig 226 rail gun.


Short version is that they are Glock 19/ Lightweight Commander sized guns.


I want one even more now. If S&W still made them, even at $1k, I would buy.

Just get rid of the mag disconnect, spurless hammers and make both decocker only and safety/decocker. The safety being improved of course. The S&W safety being more difficult to use for me than the Beretta.

Vista461
08-06-2021, 08:06 PM
I have been getting a strong desire to get back in the 3rd Gen game.

Trooper224
08-06-2021, 09:16 PM
I have been getting a strong desire to get back in the 3rd Gen game.

Don't get that monkey on your back!

Trooper224
08-06-2021, 10:37 PM
I recently ran through the seven seasons of Burn Notice on Amazon Prime. In season seven there's a couple of two tone, .45CQBs that get some screen time. I want one, as well as those sunglasses Jeffery Donovan wore throughout the series.

SW CQB 45
08-06-2021, 11:39 PM
I recently ran through the seven seasons of Burn Notice on Amazon Prime. In season seven there's a couple of two tone, .45CQBs that get some screen time. I want one, as well as those sunglasses Jeffery Donovan wore throughout the series.

that was a entertaining show. I must have missed the CQBs but I dont think I saw all 7 seasons.

Chuck Norris Texas Ranger had some SW PCs but they were more Shorty Forty looking.

Vista461
08-07-2021, 07:13 AM
Don't get that monkey on your back!

I miss the days of getting them in really nice shape for under $400 at our LGS.

Trooper224
08-07-2021, 07:15 AM
I miss the days of getting them in really nice shape for under $400 at our LGS.

I feel you. In the three years between acquiring my two 4506s the price difference had a significant shift.

xtrtsqrt11
12-29-2021, 02:57 PM
My first... 4013TSW I bought a few months ago, NOS. For some reason I can't load a second picture. Can't get my 4516 jpeg to load.

camsdaddy
12-29-2021, 03:09 PM
My first... 4013TSW I bought a few months ago, NOS. For some reason I can't load a second picture.
The first handgun I ever purchased was a 3913TSW. The one I have takes the shorter 7 round mags. A guy I worked with liked it and went and bought a 4013TSW a few weeks later.