The Current State of the ZEV OZ9?

[BobRockefeller]

Who’s up on all the ZEV OZ9 “stuff?”


How many have been sold?
I don’t see much discussion, after the release, of this pistol on the usual forums. Had the interest died off? Am I looking in the wrong places?
Does one’s trigger finger drag the inside bottom of the trigger guard as mine does on a standard Glock?

[Shadow]

I bought an OZ9 soon after they were released, one of the first 200. I give Zev a big thumbs up for the innovation and overall design. I do enjoy shooting it.

With that said I've had my share of issues with it. This is not a response to bash Zev it's personal experience.

Upon getting home from the dealer with it I found the first issue. While dry firing and re-setting the trigger slowly (after cycling the slide) my striker would follow. It was repeatable over and over. The striker would follow as if the trigger was being depressed not reset, with enough force to launch a pencil from the barrel. Had I been live firing the gun would have surely doubled.

Zev sent out a return label and I returned it for repair, never fired a round from it. They had it for 3 weeks before shipping it back.

At about 1500 rounds the lug on the underside of my barrel sheared clear off. I've spent a considerable amount of time on the range with multiple agencies and shooting matches and I've never seen a failure like that unless an over pressured load was introduced to the gun. That was not the case for me. My OZ is fed factory American Eagle 124 and 147 ball ammo. This was a little over a month ago. I immediately sent Zev pictures and I had a new barrel in just over a week. I saw someone else post about having 2 Zev barrels shear the lug off on Zev's facebook page after mine did.

About 100 rounds into the new barrel the tip of my striker broke off, it was left sticking out of the breech face detached from the striker. Another week of down time until Zev sent out a new striker assembly.

Yesterday while doing bill drills I had a few failures to extract. The gun wasn't that dirty but for now I'll chalk it up to a dirty chamber. I gave it a thorough cleaning last night and I'll see if that was the cause on the range tomorrow. To be honest my gut tells me the failures to extract were not caused by a dirty gun or the ammo for that matter.

At this point I'm pretty disappointed in the OZ. The gun has a lot going for it but reliability is most important and that's a big fail for me. In my opinion for what the OZ cost there are much better choices.

[BobRockefeller]

I bought an OZ9 soon after they were released, one of the first 200. I give Zev a big thumbs up for the innovation and overall design. I do enjoy shooting it.

With that said I've had my share of issues with it. This is not a response to bash Zev it's personal experience.

Upon getting home from the dealer with it I found the first issue. While dry firing and re-setting the trigger slowly (after cycling the slide) my striker would follow. It was repeatable over and over. The striker would follow as if the trigger was being depressed not reset, with enough force to launch a pencil from the barrel. Had I been live firing the gun would have surely doubled.

Zev sent out a return label and I returned it for repair, never fired a round from it. They had it for 3 weeks before shipping it back.

At about 1500 rounds the lug on the underside of my barrel sheared clear off. I've spent a considerable amount of time on the range with multiple agencies and shooting matches and I've never seen a failure like that unless an over pressured load was introduced to the gun. That was not the case for me. My OZ is fed factory American Eagle 124 and 147 ball ammo. This was a little over a month ago. I immediately sent Zev pictures and I had a new barrel in just over a week. I saw someone else post about having 2 Zev barrels shear the lug off on Zev's facebook page after mine did.

About 100 rounds into the new barrel the tip of my striker broke off, it was left sticking out of the breech face detached from the striker. Another week of down time until Zev sent out a new striker assembly.

Yesterday while doing bill drills I had a few failures to extract. The gun wasn't that dirty but for now I'll chalk it up to a dirty chamber. I gave it a thorough cleaning last night and I'll see if that was the cause on the range tomorrow. To be honest my gut tells me the failures to extract were not caused by a dirty gun or the ammo for that matter.

At this point I'm pretty disappointed in the OZ. The gun has a lot going for it but reliability is most important and that's a big fail for me. In my opinion for what the OZ cost there are much better choices.

Thanks for the feedback! I have read some about the double fire and barrel lug problems. They may have been early teething problems, which is no excuse for a company such as ZEV or a gun of its cost.

I'm disappointed to hear of continued reliability problems. There are so many choices available, ZEV needs to protect their imagine. Not only for the OZ9, and whatever comes next, but their large Glock after-market business. I wonder if your experiences after the double fire and barrel lug problems are typical?

[Magsz]

Thanks for the feedback! I have read some about the double fire and barrel lug problems. They may have been early teething problems, which is no excuse for a company such as ZEV or a gun of its cost.

I'm disappointed to hear of continued reliability problems. There are so many choices available, ZEV needs to protect their imagine. Not only for the OZ9, and whatever comes next, but their large Glock after-market business. I wonder if your experiences after the double fire and barrel lug problems are typical?

They are not typical. However, they are occurring with enough frequency to give purchasers, such as myself pause.

I really want an OZ9 as I have a few Zev triggers that have been EXTREMELY reliable. I also have a ZEV side that I absolutely adore. That Zev slide had QC issues relating to the RMR cut which Zev was very quick to remedy. As a company, I really do like Zev. Every time I call them they're pleasant on the phone and extremely responsive.

[Shadow]

Thanks for the feedback! I have read some about the double fire and barrel lug problems. They may have been early teething problems, which is no excuse for a company such as ZEV or a gun of its cost.

I'm disappointed to hear of continued reliability problems. There are so many choices available, ZEV needs to protect their imagine. Not only for the OZ9, and whatever comes next, but their large Glock after-market business. I wonder if your experiences after the double fire and barrel lug problems are typical?

I did read about others with the same striker and extraction issues. I really want to have confidence in the gun but it just hasn't held together long enough to earn that. You're right Zev needs to be careful and pay attention to the fine details instead of worrying about releasing so many models. There is so much competition in the field today it's easy to look elsewhere.

[BobRockefeller]

They are not typical. However, they are occurring with enough frequency to give purchasers, such as myself pause.

I really want an OZ9 as I have a few Zev triggers that have been EXTREMELY reliable. I also have a ZEV side that I absolutely adore. That Zev slide had QC issues relating to the RMR cut which Zev was very quick to remedy. As a company, I really do like Zev. Every time I call them they're pleasant on the phone and extremely responsive.

I want one, too. It SHOULD have the reliability of a Glock with more metal and a better (for me) grip angle. Not to mention it doesn’t look like a brick.

[Tokarev]

Shadow

How would you compare the MR918 and/or MR920 with the ZEV pistols?

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[BobRockefeller]

Oddly, at least to me, I see that the OZ9 full size (Glock 17 size) weighs only 6 oz more than the Glock!

[Shadow]

Shadow

How would you compare the MR918 and/or MR920 with the ZEV pistols?

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All the issues I've had with the Zev aside, and I had to replace the extractor today, I'd take the Shadow MR's all day every day over the OZ.

The OZ grip is a little blocky while the MR grip is more contoured and has a smaller profile. I have large hands and the MR feels perfect. Texturing is about the same.

I like a trigger that has a wall to set up on, like the MR. The OZ trigger had a vague wall and was kinda mushy. I swapped the Zev trigger out to a Precision Overwatch trigger and that added a more pronounced wall.

For a defensive gun the iron sights on the MR work better for me as well. The height and black rear/hd front sight are there when you need them but not when you don't.

I use the front serrations for press checks and loading. The MR serrations are much more positive when racking the slide.

Accuracy is about equal.

The MR shoots flatter and recovers quicker than the OZ. That could be due to a heavier slide and reciprocating weight on the OZ. However the steel rails on the OZ should help mitigate recoil better also.

Reliability with the MR has been exceptional, I've already posted all the issues with the OZ.

Hope this helps. If you have a specific question let me know.

[Tokarev]

All the issues I've had with the Zev aside, and I had to replace the extractor today, I'd take the Shadow MR's all day every day over the OZ.

The OZ grip is a little blocky while the MR grip is more contoured and has a smaller profile. I have large hands and the MR feels perfect. Texturing is about the same.

I like a trigger that has a wall to set up on, like the MR. The OZ trigger had a vague wall and was kinda mushy. I swapped the Zev trigger out to a Precision Overwatch trigger and that added a more pronounced wall.

For a defensive gun the iron sights on the MR work better for me as well. The height and black rear/hd front sight are there when you need them but not when you don't.

I use the front serrations for press checks and loading. The MR serrations are much more positive when racking the slide.

Accuracy is about equal.

The MR shoots flatter and recovers quicker than the OZ. That could be due to a heavier slide and reciprocating weight on the OZ. However the steel rails on the OZ should help mitigate recoil better also.

Reliability with the MR has been exceptional, I've already posted all the issues with the OZ.

Hope this helps. If you have a specific question let me know.This is pretty much what I was looking for. Sort of a list of general thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

The only other "Glock" I'm aware of that has modularity similar to the ZEV is the Modulus from ZRODelta. That gun can be configured as a 19, 17, or 34 or a combination of slide and frame lengths. The Modulus has a frame machined from aluminum. Beavertail and front strap inserts can be changed and dust covers can be lengthed or shortened for whichever slide is being used. The mag well can be lengthened or shortened as well. They also make a big flared mag funnel for competition use.

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[Shadow]

Update on my OZ9 extraction issues.

After having numerous FTE's I replaced the extractor with a new Glock oem extractor but the issue continued. I installed an a new entire extractor assembly and still had FTE's. A call to Zev and a conversation with a very helpful rep may have fixed the issue.

The rep offered that Zev has found the OZ9 extractor is a couple of degrees off from a factory Glock. The slight angle change requires more tension on the extractor. Zev sent me a new extractor assembly which they claim has been redesigned to increase tension for more positive extraction free of charge.

Unfortunately I did not mic the original and new assembly to compare the oal and determine what was changed. However when installed the new assembly protrudes a fair amount more out of the rear of the slide requiring a little more effort to depress it to slide the back plate on.

I've only shot 50 rounds through the OZ with the new setup and so far no issues, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[Bergeron]

My understanding was that the OZ9 slide was a straight-up Gen3 design.

I put the Apex extractor and White Sound HRED in my Gen4 19s.

Thank you for sharing your experiences!

[mongooseman]

I researched the OZ9 before purchasing one and discovered the one I was interested in was on a recall list. I contacted ZEV online and was told that there was a approximately 300 round break in period and that most of the pistols on the list had been updated before leaving the factory. I have a good enough relationship with the owner of the local gun store that I was confident he would make it good if there were problems. I talked to him and then picked up the pistol, an RMR2, and extra 200 rounds of 9mm ball to go with what I already had.

Pistol was flawless, and the more I shot it, the better it performed. 9mm in various weights in FMJ and JHP fed and grouped nicely. The best round was 124 grain Speer Gold Dot for short barreled pistols. At 10 yards there were tight one hole groups. Positive experience so far with approximately 400 rounds and I will update.

[Shadow]

Update:

300 rounds through my OZ9 with the new design extractor assembly and no malfunctions. Fed it 115's, 124's and 147's as well as 115 hollow points. Extraction is positive and consistent. I'm beginning to enjoy shooting this gun again.

[Shadow]

Well another 200 rounds through the OZ9 and...my slide stop broke. On a positive note I emailed Zev yesterday and quickly got a response from the CEO. I'm told the head of customer service will contact me tomorrow. I'll post the outcome.

I truely believe my OZ has a demon inside lol.

[GJM]

These pistols seem closer to Open Guns than a Glock.

[Tokarev]

Well another 200 rounds through the OZ9 and...my slide stop broke. On a positive note I emailed Zev yesterday and quickly got a response from the CEO. I'm told the head of customer service will contact me tomorrow. I'll post the outcome.

I truely believe my OZ has a demon inside lol.How is the MR920 holding up? Any issues with that gun?

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[Shadow]

How is the MR920 holding up? Any issues with that gun?

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I've had nothing but stellar performance and reliability from my 918, I shoot that gun often.

[Tokarev]

I've had nothing but stellar performance and reliability from my 918, I shoot that gun often.Oops. 918 then. I thought you'd "upgraded" to the 920.

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[Tokarev]

Shadow

Any updates for the hive?

TIA and have a good weekend.

[Shadow]

Shadow

Any updates for the hive?

TIA and have a good weekend.

Well given the long run of of issues and failures I've had with my OZ9 Zev decided to take the gun back and replace it with a new one.

The wait was quite long but I did receive a new replacement. I don't have much time on the range with it but so far no issues.

The trigger on the new one imo is no where near what it should be. After a good cleaning and a couple hundred rounds it was still gritty with several steps along it's travel. I've since swapped it out with an Overwatch Precision trigger which cleaned the feel up with smooth travel and a nice break.

Maybe I'm being to critical but when I shipped Zev my old OZ for replacement it had one of their higher end optimized match barrels in it. The replacement has the pro barrel in it. The optimized barrel has several enhancements. I know the optimized barrel in my old one was a tack driver, not enough rounds through the new one to see if it has the same potential.

I still believe Zev is on to something with their design but it needs more refinement, especially for what the OZ cost.

[Bergeron]

While I really like the concept of the OZ, particularly of the Compact, I get the feeling that I would want a level of Glock-OEM design, engineering, and integration that the Zev product, while innovative and cool, might not be able to offer.

[Tokarev]

While I really like the concept of the OZ, particularly of the Compact, I get the feeling that I would want a level of Glock-OEM design, engineering, and integration that the Zev product, while innovative and cool, might not be able to offer.

The Compact would be my choice of the current ZEV OZs. As I understand it, the gun can be made into a G19X by changing the grip module or can be made into a G17/G47 by changing the grip and the slide and barrel. It could also be made into a 34 by using ZEV's 19XL slide and barrel. And then all these slides could be made into G19-ish guns by putting on the short grip frame and using G19 mags. Quite a bit of versatility there. And, of course, the versatility can be ignored if you just want one configuration.

As far as integration, we'll have to wait for Shadow's comments on that. But I assume probably all the slide parts and most of the frame parts are replaceable with OEM Glock parts.

[GJM]

The people that I know, that were competing with the Zev, are either competing with something else, or have so many Glock OEM parts installed that it is as much a Glock as a Zev 09.

[Tokarev]

The people that I know, that were competing with the Zev, are either competing with something else, or have so many Glock OEM parts installed that it is as much a Glock as a Zev 09.What failures are they seeing?

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[GJM]

What failures are they seeing?

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Reliability issues.

[Tokarev]

Reliability issues.Cured by changing springs or is it more than that?

Also please see Shadow's post above about the replacement extractor.

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[GJM]

Cured by changing springs or is it more than that?

Also please see Shadow's post above about the replacement extractor.

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After some changing of things, I think their solution was to put an OEM Glock upper on the Zev lower.

[Tokarev]

After some changing of things, I think their solution was to put an OEM Glock upper on the Zev lower.Lol nice fix. A 1911 for the Glock crowd....

[emoji16]

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[Dave Williams]

Lol nice fix. A 1911 for the Glock crowd....

[emoji16]

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I read about a lot of Glock issues these days, everyone needs a nice drama free 1911 lol.

[willie]

Today I read this thread for the first time and was reminded of the Herculean effort that I made to make my KelTec 9mm pistols run. The manufacturer tried also but could not succeed.

[Bergeron]

If I was really going to do this, I would follow GJM's friends and use a Glock OEM slide. Throw in an Apex extractor, HRED, and Gadget for good measure.

If there were OZ-9 Compact "Builder's Kits" that would make sense, but it would be tough to spend OZ-9C money just to put the factory slide off the side.

[Tokarev]

If there were OZ-9 Compact "Builder's Kits" that would make sense, but it would be tough to spend OZ-9C money just to put the factory slide off the side.

ZEV does offer a "duty series" line of slides that are less expensive. They'd be a good choice for the MBK if the reliability is there. With that said it looks like they don't make a duty slide in Gen 3 format.

I think it would be smart for ZEV to release a compact MBK and/or standardize to the compact length chassis. It would give the purchaser more flexibility with the overall length and would lessen the choice of aftermarket slides since there aren't as many places making 19L slides. It would somewhat force the purchaser to buy a ZEV 19L slide and G5 17 barrel if he wanted a full size. Or the ZEV 19XL and longer barrel for a 34 format.

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[GearFondler]

ZEV does offer a "duty series" line of slides that are less expensive. They'd be a good choice for the MBK if the reliability is there. With that said it looks like they don't make a duty slide in Gen 3 format.


Sure they do... I recently bought one for my 19.3...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201120/1d426ac92c6f21b11da6282c139679b4.jpg

[Tokarev]

Sure they do... I recently bought one for my 19.3...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201120/1d426ac92c6f21b11da6282c139679b4.jpgSorry. Was referring to the compact ZEV frame and the 19L format although that wasn't at all clear in my earlier post.

With that said, I do see a Citadel Z19 long slide that I missed earlier on the ZEV site.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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[GearFondler]

Sorry. Was referring to the compact ZEV frame and the 19L format although that wasn't at all clear in my earlier post.

With that said, I do see a Citadel Z19 long slide that I missed earlier on the ZEV site.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Sent from my SM-A505U using TapatalkAnd I wasn't reading closely enough to gather all the context so it's not all on you. ;)

[Tokarev]

Shadow
GJM

Is the ZEV close enough in width, size and shape to work with "most" Glock holsters?

[Shadow]

Shadow
GJM

Is the ZEV close enough in width, size and shape to work with "most" Glock holsters?

I apologize for the wait, was away without internet and cell service for a bit, it was great!

I've tried my Zev in a number of holsters and perfect fit is dependent upon the manufacturer. It is "close enough" to work with most brands.

[Tokarev]

I apologize for the wait, was away without internet and cell service for a bit, it was great!

I've tried my Zev in a number of holsters and perfect fit is dependent upon the manufacturer. It is "close enough" to work with most brands.Thanks for the info.

I assume things like the Blackhawk T-Series and most Safariland duty holsters will fit. Especially those made to fit a Glock with a light since they fit the light more than the gun.

Regards to the pistols themselves; does anyone have a newer production version? I wonder if ZEV has been able to identify the broken barrel issue. I assume they have.

Gritty trigger may be just something that needs a bit of breaking in. My Shadow Systems MR920 had a gritty trigger out of the box. It is now pretty decent after some dry fire and range time.

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[Shadow]

Shadow

Any updates for the hive?

TIA and have a good weekend.

64953

Ran another 200 rounds through the Zev today. Had one failure to extract toward the end of practice. Looked everything over and came up empty on a possible cause. I'm at the 600 round mark with the new oz and that's the first failure I've had. Mags,ammo and the gun were wet at about 28*.Going to continue running it and see what happens.

[Tokarev]

64953

Looked everything over and came up empty on a possible cause.

I assume it is mentioned here but have you tried a non-Zev extractor in the gun? Factory Glock or maybe an Apex FRE?

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[Shadow]

I assume it is mentioned here but have you tried a non-Zev extractor in the gun? Factory Glock or maybe an Apex FRE?

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After having extraction issues with my first OZ I had an opportunity to speak to someone in tech support, this is what I was told.

The original extractor in my first OZ was the same configuration as a stock Glock. OZ's were experiencing extraction issues. Zev went back and looked at the problem and found that the OZ extractor assembly angle was a couple of degrees off from a standard Glock. They redesigned the OZ assembly so that it applies more pressure at the hook. I was sent the redesigned setup for that gun and it was absolutely under more pressure, obvious when installing the backplate.

I don't want to change the extractor based upon what I was told.

The ammo from the FTE yesterday was factory Sig 147 fmj and the spent case was examined for any type of bulge or rim deformity with nothing found.

Any further issues I'm just going to keep sending it back to Zev, sooner or later they have to get it right-I hope.

[Tokarev]

Any further issues I'm just going to keep sending it back to Zev, sooner or later they have to get it right-I hope.

I like your "stick with it" attitude.

Please keep us updated.

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[Shadow]

I like your "stick with it" attitude.

Please keep us updated.

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Ran another 250 rounds of factory 124/147's through the OZ9 yesterday. The gun ran flawlessly. I have to say the OZ is a blast to shoot.

[Tokarev]

I have to say the OZ is a blast to shoot.

What makes it fun specifically? Shooting is always fun but what draws this comment about the OZ?

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[Shadow]

What makes it fun specifically? Shooting is always fun but what draws this comment about the OZ?

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For me the grip angle and circumference make it easy to drive the gun and shoot it accurately. The heavier chassis helps with recoil management. Combine that with the Volker Precision comp I have on it and tracking the dot is quick and effortless. Zev's milling for the dot is about as good as it gets and their cocking serrations make slide manipulations during loading/unloading and malfunction drills a breeze.

After all the issues I've had with the OZ you'd think I would give up on it but when it runs it's hard to put it down.

Hopefully the reliability continues.

[GJM]

Excellent update post near end of this thread:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/271394-zev-oz9/

[Tokarev]

Excellent update post near end of this thread:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/271394-zev-oz9/

Here is the post from BE:


max1337

Posted 9 hours ago

Hi guys,

I think I should jump in and give you a good idea of what happened to the Zev OZ9 from start to where it's at right now, and that should clarify a lot of things and hopefully help you make a good decision or fix your current issues.

I am a competitive shooter and i've been sponsored by Zev and shooting the OZ9's since the very beginning. In fact, I have the first batch that Zev ever produced, with all 3 of my guns serial number below 00100. I have over 130 000 rounds with the guns, so trust me, I've had probably all of the possible issues you could imagine or already had. Gun firing full auto or bursts, barrel lug sheared off, broken slide stop, broken slide post, failure to extract/eject, magazines (10 rounders) won't drop, etc etc. The good thing is, Zev have been very receptive and listened to the issues and fixed them very quickly.

Here are the most common issues and fixes ;

- Gun firing auto/burst ; Zev Recall, they will replace your trigger bar/parts. It works very well, no issues anymore
- Extraction/Ejection issues ; Zev replaced the extractor for the new "enhanced extractor" with the new longer extractor plunger and spring. Look for the Zev // hashmarks on the new extractor. Also, I recommend you install a Glock Gen 4/5 Ejector (on the trigger housing)
- Barrel lug shearing off ; Zev have redesigned the barrel lug, new metal, new rifling. This one is in the mail and will have it next Wednesday and I can update you guys if interested.
- Broken slide stop ; Zev are now making their slide stop in-house and the issue is fixed. I recommend you install a Glock Gen 3 slide stop if you have one.
- Magazines won't drop ; Zev have replaced their magazine release for a new design that is narrower and will drop 10 round magazines no issues.

Is this a pain in the ass ? Yes. Did Zev release the Zev OZ9 too early ? Probably. Did they work hard to fix all the issues ? f*#k yes. Remember that Sig had to recall all their P320 models because of the Firing Control Unit safety issues. It is not uncommon for a new firearm to face issues, the most important is that they do something about it, quickly.

I have all the above fixes on my guns, all 3 of them, and I haven't had one malfunction in over 60 000 rounds. The most important thing for me as a traveling competition shooter and instructor is reliability, and I can say that now I can trust my guns to perform and function flawlessly regardless of what ammo I am shooting.

This is my build for all 3 of my OZ9 for IPSC/USPSA Competitions ;

- Johnny Glocks Hybrid trigger w/flat shoe. (Reason for Johnny Glocks is I can adjust the reset to a very short one and glass break)
- Johnny Glocks Striker
- Johnny Glocks safety plunger
- Johnny Glocks safety plunger spring
- Johnny Glocks trigger return spring
- Johnny Glocks 4.5# striker spring (or Wolff)
- Zev ISMI 13# recoil spring
- Zev polymer red striker cups
- Zev polymer red channel liner
- Zev polymer red striker sleeve
- Zev polymer red extractor plunger pin
- Zev enhanced extractor
- Zev enhanced extractor plunger/spring
- Zev Optimized match barrel
- Zev Tungsten grip (coming soon, it is incredibly perfectly balanced, recoil is ridiculously flat)
- Gen 3 slide stop
- Gen 4 ejector
- Trijicon SRO 5 MOA
- #4-40 x 5/16 Torx plus flat head screws
- Glock 17 Gen 5 magazines
- Wolff +10% magazine spring
- Henning EDC PRO basepads

I hope this helps,

Max Latulippe





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[Joe]

This is a sample of one but bears mentioning. I was RO at a USPSA match recently and one of the shooters had am OZ9. At one point, the slide and fire control module came out of the grip. Literally fell out as the shooter was moving. Now we're all standing there with a live gun, with an exposed trigger, trying to figure out how to clear it. Eventually we gingerly put it back in the grip long enough to rack the round out but it was extremely uncomfortable for all involved.
One experience but maybe some things that aren't broke shouldn't be fixed.

[Shadow]

This is a sample of one but bears mentioning. I was RO at a USPSA match recently and one of the shooters had am OZ9. At one point, the slide and fire control module came out of the grip. Literally fell out as the shooter was moving. Now we're all standing there with a live gun, with an exposed trigger, trying to figure out how to clear it. Eventually we gingerly put it back in the grip long enough to rack the round out but it was extremely uncomfortable for all involved.
One experience but maybe some things that aren't broke shouldn't be fixed.

The action of the OZ is anchored into the grip by slipping a metal tail at the rear into a recess in the grip and then a captured hefty pin into the front. Unless the grip module was modified or somehow broken the slide/action can not fall out. That sounds like 100% shooter error not weapon issues or design flaws.

[DueSpada]

When I thought threads like this were about guns, I couldn't understand them. Now that I know they are about projects, they make sense.

[Rex G]

For some reason, I am getting the fever for one of these. I wish I could buy the complete lower, alone, because I have some of my own ideas about the upper unit, including a KKM barrel/comp combo, that I already have.

[Bergeron]

When I thought threads like this were about guns, I couldn't understand them. Now that I know they are about projects, they make sense.

Real engineering, including the sorts of tolerances, clearances, metallurgy, etc. that is only really ever within the OEM's base of knowledge is an important thing. The aftermarket, in the absence of deft tech transfer and licenses, doesn't actually know these things, and has to estimate or guess.

Stack an aftermarket Glock like the OZ9 with other manufacturer's aftermarket is more of a project than anything with really assured performance. These are the sorts of things that you can only get so far with, before you have let stuff out into the market, hang on tight, and see what happens.

I feel confident that the OZ9 will get to ever-better places, and that the newest stuff is better in subtle but important ways from the the initial product.

I'd also like to mess around with a couple of Compact frames, but as long as Zev is selling every complete gun that they can possibly make, it's like primers. Why sell just a primer, when you can sell a whole round, and why sell a frame when you can sell a complete gun?

The best route (it sure won't happen, though) would be for Glock to license or otherwise acquire the IP/design, update as necessary, et voila, Gen 6 Glock. I'd go nuts.

[Tokarev]

Shadow

Any updates for us on your continuing experiences with the ZEV?

[Shadow]

Shadow

Any updates for us on your continuing experiences with the ZEV?

Sorry for the delayed response...

I've only had time to run 300 rounds through the Zev since my last post. In that 300 I had 2 failures to extract with factory 147 grain American Eagle ball ammo. The FTE's were identical to the FTE's I had before the "enhanced" extractor assembly installed. I'll be teaching several classes over the next few weeks and hope to get more rounds through it during down time on the range.

[Tokarev]

I had 2 failures to extract with factory 147 grain American Eagle ball ammo.

Ugh

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[SuedePflow]

Hello all, new to the forum.
I took possession of my OZ9 Competition yesterday and ran 100 rounds through it with zero issues. My initial reaction was that the trigger was a bit stiff for a competition gun and the recoil spring felt a bit heavy too. But it shot smooth and flat. The grip and weight of the gun are excellent. I pulled the back slide plate off to swap to a lighter striker spring and noticed that the extractor was under ALOT of pressure. It seems their solution to the extractor issue was to add some length to the plunger. The spring is almost coil bound upon assembly. I installed the included 3.5# striker spring and that got the trigger pull down to 3.5#, which is better but still not as nice feeling as the trigger on my buddy's new Sig P320 Max.


My OZ9 doesn't fit any of my existing Glock holsters. Bummer... An online search shows QVO Tactical and Red Hill Tactical as holster makes (and with a 4-12 week wait). Who else is making a competition style OWB holster for these? (Hopefully without a huge wait time too)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXQJFVwJlrzUPNgvYqscvikNBPejAZH6qDWmS4B5nLpckSdY TlPRNA5C4b1r50v83wRDToa89U22K861yM0VSbOoN9zJlG2R1C KjRWAPoFps8O7WJk-gaGWkMNsi1H7Ks3wLoY4KDJ_hKbTXUyUmxjd=w443-h800-no?authuser=0

[Darth_Uno]

Disassemble your holster, get some rubber tubing (and possibly longer screws) and open it up a bit.

[SuedePflow]

Disassemble your holster, get some rubber tubing (and possibly longer screws) and open it up a bit.
That doesn't work for injection molded holsters.
The OZ9's trigger guard, rail, and slide are slightly profiled differently, so there are issues with drag and proper retention using any of the Glock holsters I've tried. I'm 100% going to get a proper fitting holster for it - just need to figure out where from.

[SuedePflow]

Some info on holsers for the Competition model OZ9: I discovered and confirmed the Safariland 5197 holster for the Glock 34 does fit pretty well. It does slightly interfere with the Trijicon SRO, but fits great if you're only running iron sights. I ended up trimming the holster back to offer clearance for the SRO.

I can confirm that the Double-Alpha PDR-PRO-II Holster for the Glock 34 also fits my OZ9 (no pic available to share). And no issues with clearance around the optic as well.

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[MVS]

I have been comparing the Shadow systems, the ZEV OZ9 Combat and the Walther PDP at my LGS this week. I have to say I am really taken by the Zev. On this particular example it has the best trigger out of those three. To me the couple drawbacks are not having an ambi slide release and only some glock holsters will work with it. Love the feel of the gun along with the modular concept as well as the fact it would work with my 100 plus Glock mags that have been sitting unused since I bought the Q5 SF.

[GJM]

I have been comparing the Shadow systems, the ZEV OZ9 Combat and the Walther PDP at my LGS this week. I have to say I am really taken by the Zev. On this particular example it has the best trigger out of those three. To me the couple drawbacks are not having an ambi slide release and only some glock holsters will work with it. Love the feel of the gun along with the modular concept as well as the fact it would work with my 100 plus Glock mags that have been sitting unused since I bought the Q5 SF.

The major downside to the Zev is many owners have reliability issues with them.

[MVS]

The major downside to the Zev is many owners have reliability issues with them.

Its all roses on youtube brother. Every time I search something here it is like a reality check.

[GJM]

Its all roses on youtube brother. Every time I search something here it is like a reality check.

People get sucked in because they shoot great. Buddy of mine who finished top 10 at Nationals screwed up a number of matches with his, and finally ditched the top end for a Glock OEM top end. Enos has a thread with the problems. Humble Marksman released a video like today on it, and had issues with his.

[BWT]

A CO GM squadded with me used one last week.

He had no issues I saw. FWIW. Now that I know it’s an $1800+ pistol - I should’ve asked his thoughts.

[Bergeron]

People get sucked in because they shoot great. Buddy of mine who finished top 10 at Nationals screwed up a number of matches with his, and finally ditched the top end for a Glock OEM top end. Enos has a thread with the problems. Humble Marksman released a video like today on it, and had issues with his.

FTEs, early on, with the Humble Marksman review.:p

I want this gun to work. The concept of the modular frame Glock, plus the SCD, plus optional thumb safeties would please me in ways difficult to describe, but a near-2k Glock with reliability issues is a major drag.

The “Build Kits” don’t appear on the Zev site, and if I’ve got to stick a OEM Glock slide on the frame for it to function, it’s difficult to want anything other than a build kit.

[GJM]

Its all roses on youtube brother. Every time I search something here it is like a reality check.

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/271394-zev-oz9/

[MVS]

The major downside to the Zev is many owners have reliability issues with them.

So as luck would have it, on the MSP Alumni FB page this morning was a guy who chimed in about his newly broken barrel lug on his OZ9. I was amazed at the number of people who responded they had the same issue at around the 6-7,000 round mark. Back to the Shadow Systems or waiting on the PDP to get right? Maybe just Boresight solution one of my many Glocks and try that.

[backtrail540]

Maybe just Boresight solution one of my many Glocks and try that.

I keep wanting to try a razorbacked glock but for the money i keep telling myself i should just shoot other guns instead of trying to make a glock like other guns. Vicious cycle.

[GJM]

So as luck would have it, on the MSP Alumni FB page this morning was a guy who chimed in about his newly broken barrel lug on his OZ9. I was amazed at the number of people who responded they had the same issue at around the 6-7,000 round mark. Back to the Shadow Systems or waiting on the PDP to get right? Maybe just Boresight solution one of my many Glocks and try that.

The Shadow seems to be as far as you can stray from a Glock and still have it run like a Glock.

[Tokarev]

So as luck would have it, on the MSP Alumni FB page this morning was a guy who chimed in about his newly broken barrel lug on his OZ9. I was amazed at the number of people who responded they had the same issue at around the 6-7,000 round mark. Back to the Shadow Systems or waiting on the PDP to get right? Maybe just Boresight solution one of my many Glocks and try that.How many of the barrels with broken lugs are early production? Didn't ZEV identify and make changes to the lug geometry not too long ago?

It would also be good to know if the Gen5 G19 pattern barrels have suffered from a broken block.

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[MVS]

How many of the barrels with broken lugs are early production? Didn't ZEV identify and make changes to the lug geometry not too long ago?

It would also be good to know if the Gen5 G19 pattern barrels have suffered from a broken block.

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The most recent problem I saw was a gun they got 4 months ago. Another problem I see is reports of waiting months for a replacement barrel. That, if true, is totally unacceptable.

As far as Gen 5 19 I only have one. No barrel problems but have only about 8,000 rds through it. My Q5 has been getting all the love this summer

[MVS]

Life was sure a lot easier (and cheaper) when I was just a tactical timmie and didn't own a timer and only cared about "combat" accuracy.

[BWT]

So as luck would have it, on the MSP Alumni FB page this morning was a guy who chimed in about his newly broken barrel lug on his OZ9. I was amazed at the number of people who responded they had the same issue at around the 6-7,000 round mark. Back to the Shadow Systems or waiting on the PDP to get right? Maybe just Boresight solution one of my many Glocks and try that.

That’s the way I’d go if you’re considering.

$1800 MSRP gun
VS
$550 gun plus $300-400 in custom services still is almost half the cost.

You could do it twice.

[Tokarev]

That’s the way I’d go if you’re considering.

$1800 MSRP gun
VS
$550 gun plus $300-400 in custom services still is almost half the cost.

You could do it twice.

Or buy the Shadow Systems with its improved backstrap system and built-in beavertail for $800.

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[Tokarev]

The most recent problem I saw was a gun they got 4 months ago. Another problem I see is reports of waiting months for a replacement barrel. That, if true, is totally unacceptable.

As far as Gen 5 19 I only have one. No barrel problems but have only about 8,000 rds through it. My Q5 has been getting all the love this summer

As I understand it, the OZ9 is a Gen1-4 pattern. The OZ9C is Gen5 and built on the G19 cam. Being 19 pattern it can be made into a 19 or 17 by changing the slide, barrel and grip module.

Anyone seen reports of broken 19 lugs?

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[Tokarev]

A brand new review:


https://youtu.be/f3ZnvqHG5zA

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[Brianjkeene]

As I understand it, the OZ9 is a Gen1-4 pattern. The OZ9C is Gen5 and built on the G19 cam. Being 19 pattern it can be made into a 19 or 17 by changing the slide, barrel and grip module.

Anyone seen reports of broken 19 lugs?

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I was thinking the OZ9c is a gen3 pattern? Can anyone confirm?

[Tokarev]

I was thinking the OZ9c is a gen3 pattern? Can anyone confirm?

The Gen1-4 Glocks had different locking blocks between the G19 and G17. The Gen5 guns share a common locking block.

So the OZ9C is Gen 3 but with modularity in that it can be turned into a G17 length with a 17 length Gen5 pattern barrel.

At least I think that's how it all works...

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[Brianjkeene]

The Gen1-4 Glocks had different locking blocks between the G19 and G17. The Gen5 guns share a common locking block.

So the OZ9C is Gen 3 but with modularity in that it can be turned into a G17 length with a 17 length Gen5 pattern barrel.

At least I think that's how it all works...

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Understood. However, not a gen5 slide since the oz9 uses a gen3 guide rod, correct?

[Tokarev]

Understood. However, not a gen5 slide since the oz9 uses a gen3 guide rod, correct?Gen3 guide rod and non-ambi slide release.

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[Rex G]

With Boresight Solutions offering ready-made extended grip modules for the OZ9C, I am taking another look at these pistols. A G19-length grip is not long enough to brace against the “heel bone” area of my right hand, which vexes my arthritis. It takes a G17-length grip to bridge-over that painful area.

[Bergeron]

Has anyone seen the Tungsten grip modules? I've heard about them, but can find no ability to purchase.

This could put me personally over the edge for a OZ9, even if I would much rather a "builder's kit" as opposed to a complete gun.

[Brianjkeene]

Has anyone seen the Tungsten grip modules? I've heard about them, but can find no ability to purchase.

This could put me personally over the edge for a OZ9, even if I would much rather a "builder's kit" as opposed to a complete gun.

I received and email when they released them a month or two ago but didn’t purchase it. Ultimately they were a limited initial release and they will offer them again at a later date - according to ZEV. They are exactly 8oz heavier than the polymer version.

[Tokarev]

So how are the latest guns from the factory? More reliable? Have the extractor issues been fixed?

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[Brianjkeene]

I’ve really wished the OZ9c was gen4 or 5 based. Well, I just picked up a OZ9c complete lower for a great deal and am going to mill the front nose section to accept a gen5 19 slide - gonna put an OEM gen5 MOS slide on it and will also likely put an Apex trigger in instead of the ZEV with everything else in the trigger converted back to OEM. Sounds counter intuitive to put all this OEM stuff back into the gun but I really love the steel subframe and the shape of the OZ9 grips.

[Doge]

So how are the latest guns from the factory? More reliable? Have the extractor issues been fixed?

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Just picked up an OZ9 Combat a sponsor helped me get. I'll keep you posted once I get to the range with it, mainly got it to be my "glock" and striker fired gun. I like Berettas and 2011s and the ZEV grip angle helped.

[Tokarev]

Bumping for any updates in light of Department of Energy apparently sole sourcing the OZ9 for the security professionals.

I do see, with some interest, that ZEV is selling the OZ9 Compact frame module now. One of these should give a level of customization not previously available from a Glock operating system. Not unless we consider the ZRO Delta Modulus or The One or whatever that gun is called at the moment.

[Bergeron]

That’s good news! I was wondering when the convolution of supply and demand would encourage Zev to offer Compact lower modules for sale.

[Tokarev]

...supply and demand would encourage Zev to offer Compact..
.

Frankly, I think ZEV should phase out the OZ9 Standard or whatever they call the 17 frame variant. Sell off existing inventories and then switch to selling the Compact frame based guns exclusively. Base all the modules and conversion slides on the 19 length frame module going forward.

[Tokarev]

Another bit of info on DOE solicitation:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/08/03/office-secure-nuclear-transportation-selects-zev-oz-9-x-combat/

I note that tritium sights are a requirement. Does this mean red dots will not be the standard sight system used?

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[Bergeron]

I’ve really wished the OZ9c was gen4 or 5 based. Well, I just picked up a OZ9c complete lower for a great deal and am going to mill the front nose section to accept a gen5 19 slide - gonna put an OEM gen5 MOS slide on it and will also likely put an Apex trigger in instead of the ZEV with everything else in the trigger converted back to OEM. Sounds counter intuitive to put all this OEM stuff back into the gun but I really love the steel subframe and the shape of the OZ9 grips.

If I can ever convince myself to take the plunge on the Oscar Zulu, I'll also probably end up with a lot of OEM in the gun as well. That post from back around page 5 that went into gun setup was great.

Has anyone had or shot one set up as a 40? My comped 19.4s spoil me, in that the recoil is low enough that it's tough to want to trade into a heavier (if only a little) gun, even if promises less recoil and a better (and I still think that's questionable) trigger. On the other hand, a low-to-no recoil double-stack .40 could be an interesting blaster to compare against the single stack 10mms and 45s. But that could also be a 2011.

[CakeEater]

I just picked up a used OZ9C and hope to wring it out here soon. The last time I had a Glock-type aftermarket frame was CCF RaceFrames. After reading the entire thread, the broken barrel lug issue seemed familiar.
CCF bonded the locking blocks in the frames which broke quite frequently. I had mine replaced under warranty and subsequently sold it. I’m wondering if the Zev OZ9 has/had the problem in reverse? Inquiring minds want to know and time will tell. I hope to report back after getting some rounds down range.

I have the threaded barrel so I’ll report back on running with the comp and suppressed.

[Mjolnir]

Seems like a silly question but...

What, if anything, is required for me to take a ZEV lower and use an entirely GLOCK OEM upper?

The ZEV grip is phenomenal but I've nothing to complain about with a Gen 5 upper.

Obviously, the ZEV locking block/frame is unique so I may be barking up the wrong tree.

[CakeEater]

Seems like a silly question but...

What, if anything, is required for me to take a ZEV lower and use an entirely GLOCK OEM upper?

The ZEV grip is phenomenal but I've nothing to complain about with a Gen 5 upper.

Obviously, the ZEV locking block/frame is unique so I may be barking up the wrong tree.

Short answer: Gen 3 lower vs Gen 5 upper. I believe you’ll also run into the trigger bar and firing pin safety issue. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in. My only issue with my set up is that no one has a mounting plate solution for an ACRO..or anything besides a RMR footprint.

[fatdog]

Just went over 750 rounds into my OZ9 experiment. I picked mine up NIB for just under $1K on Gunbroker (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/952199778). No malfunctions since the first 200 rounds of ball ammo. I am intending to use this as a competition gun initially. When Zev had their big Halloween sale I bought a second identical (Centurion) slide and set it up for irons to use the same barrel and RSA, with an SRO on my original slide I now have a multiple division gun. So this weekend will be SSP in IDPA and next weekend CO in USPSA. While this is a "good" trigger in my view, the real difference is how this gun tracks. The extra weight of the frame and the extra weight out front truly make a difference when I compare it to shooting a G17. I cannot see any difference in accuracy between my Gen5 G17 and this gun which is a good thing.

But lots more rounds need to go down range. Watching the barrel lugs for cracking but I am not sure I could ever see it if it were developing.

[Andy T]

Short answer: Gen 3 lower vs Gen 5 upper. I believe you’ll also run into the trigger bar and firing pin safety issue. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in. My only issue with my set up is that no one has a mounting plate solution for an ACRO..or anything besides a RMR footprint.

You can get RMR > Acro adapter plate. I got one from primary machine (https://primarymachine.com/trijicon-rmr-to-aimpoint-acro-adapter/) to use on my Shadow Systems. The only con is it's a bit thick, so the sight sits higher than desired.

[Tokarev]

You can get RMR > Acro adapter plate. I got one from primary machine (https://primarymachine.com/trijicon-rmr-to-aimpoint-acro-adapter/) to use on my Shadow Systems. The only con is it's a bit thick, so the sight sits higher than desired.That plate will not work on the OZ9. At least not without some modification.

From PM's website:

Our plate WILL NOT work with Brownells or Zev slides in which there are threaded posts for the optic to screw into.

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[Noah]

https://www.zevtechnologies.com/Shop/Pistols/OZ9-Duty

[Tokarev]

https://www.zevtechnologies.com/Shop/Pistols/OZ9-DutyAbout time ZEV actually tries to sell some guns. Still a bit more money than a Shadow Systems or similar. But more realistic when compared to an actual Glock.

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[Tokarev]

A coworker let me put a few rounds through his OZ with SRO last week. He has something like 650 rounds through the gun so it is still essentially new.

He likes it and hasn't had any problems with it. My putting on mag through it wasn't enough to say anything necessarily good or bad about it other than the trigger is pretty good and it seems to be accurate. The one thing I did notice was that the trigger dingus seems a little sharp. I'd maybe have to replace the trigger with something else or maybe just shoot the gun a bit and get a callus on my finger.

Still not really convinced the gun offers anything (aside from some modularity) that isn't offered by a DR or MR 920.

[GJM]

A coworker let me put a few rounds through his OZ with SRO last week. He has something like 650 rounds through the gun so it is still essentially new.

He likes it and hasn't had any problems with it. My putting on mag through it wasn't enough to say anything necessarily good or bad about it other than the trigger is pretty good and it seems to be accurate. The one thing I did notice was that the trigger dingus seems a little sharp. I'd maybe have to replace the trigger with something else or maybe just shoot the gun a bit and get a callus on my finger.

Still not really convinced the gun offers anything (aside from some modularity) that isn't offered by a DR or MR 920.

Weight

[Bergeron]

Yeah, if more weight is a distinguishing feature of the OZ, I wonder why the tungsten-polymer grip was like a one-time unicorn instead of a regularly stocked item?

[Tokarev]

Yeah, if more weight is a distinguishing feature of the OZ, I wonder why the tungsten-polymer grip was like a one-time unicorn instead of a regularly stocked item?Weren't there durability issues with the ZEV tungsten grip?

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[Bergeron]

Good question, I don't know- I only saw reference to them once on BEnos, and the only thing discussed was that it balanced well.

[DG ZEVTECH]

Weren't there durability issues with the ZEV tungsten grip?

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Hey there Tokarev. I hope youÂ’re doing well. This thread was brought to our attention recently and we wanted to take some time to answer all of your questions. First we make about 25k firearms a year including OEM for top brands like SOLGW, Triarc, FNH and Hodge. There are more that we canÂ’t publicly discuss, but they are tier 1 brands you would know.

Extractor issues have been solved but our firearms do require a break in. The tolerances are purposely set high so when the firearm is broken in they are within the allowable variance. Most manufacturers set tolerances loose and it gets out of spec from there.

Barrel Lug sheer: this came from the forged receiver. In a plastic frame, the vibration and impact has a place to go. In a steel frame itÂ’s a solid impact. To solve this we have modified the lugs slightly for space.

Cost: we have released the price point driven OZ9 duty. But weÂ’re not a price point brand. To help consumers get into the brand we created a gun with a path to upgrade. Mag wells, optics mounting, and higher end barrels are all part of that path if one chooses to do so.

The DOE OST Contract: these are built on our new V2 platform which utilizes Gen 5 type parts. It is not the current Combat model being sold. New V2 models will be available around April this year once we get more of the contract guns out the door.

OZ9 V2: we have eliminated the standard OZ9 but will still be supporting it indefinitely as we do not intend to quit making gen 3 parts.

The OZ9 V2 is based upon the Compact platform, three sizes of slides will be offered for the Elites while the Combat will get 19/17 length slides. Two sizes of grips, short and X grip will be offered for both families of pistols. Combat guns will only be offered in FDE.

Shadow Systems: this is an apples to oranges comparison. Outside of the FCG our guns are quite different. Quite a few problems end users have is when they try to improve on the OZ9 platform by installing non ZEV parts. What happens here are a stacking of tolerances. We have tight tolerances to begin with and when you stack them either against poorly made parts or out of spec aftermarket parts, function issues arise.

For more info or questions please contact info@zevtech.com For updates on product releases or in depth discussion please sign up for our newsletter or join our official FB group https://www.facebook.com/groups/679134449547698/?ref=share_group_link
This is where we have technical experts who can answer questions and concerns as we do not monitor this group. We also offer deals and special sale to that group.

[Bergeron]

Hey, hey, an OEM response is always a treat, so my thanks.

Totally understand if 9x19mm is the way, the present, and future, but I gotta ask- are there any .40S&W plans?

Also, a tungsten-infused grip seems like it might be juice worth the squeeze- are there plans?

[Bergeron]

So I went out and bought one of the last OZ9v1 "Full-Size" MBK frame kits.

I'd like to build it into a full-size, competition-focused pistol. I'll post up my plans in more detail tonight in my Training Journal so as to not derail this thread. I think the OZ9v2 frame with its G19/19L/19XL slide and Compact/Full-Size grip options is a smart and effective path forward, but I really wanted to do this experiment with the v1 full-size frame.

I'll post here a standing offer to buy anyone's Tungsten grip, v1 or v2 (yay gunsmithing lolol).

[Bergeron]

So I'm progressing with an OZ9 build. I got a OZ9 full size v1 frame from the factory, a blank Glock 34 slide from Brownells, and I just received a FDE grip and magwell.

The only thing that seems to have fitment issues is the frame into the grip. The grip seems like it has a fraction of an inch lower to go before the pin holes line up, and the frame seems like it needs to be able to back further into the grip. I'm sure that I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not sure what. The YT videos I've shown have people "hooking" the frame into the grip and then snapping the whole thing together. Not so much with my stuff.

I'll send the factory a question, but thought I'd also ping this thread and see if anyone has insights.

[Bergeron]

Props to Zev Tech Support- they got me straightened out. There’s a kind of hook on the frame and corresponding built up groove in the grip that need to interface, and everything new is pretty tight-fitting.

[Lon]

Never paid much attention to ZEV so I didn’t realize until today they had a steel modular chassis. My partner/coach in Rangemaster Adv Instructor is running one and now I’m intrigued. Especially the v2. But I just want the lower and it doesn’t appear they’re selling that just yet. Figures.

[zcap]

Never paid much attention to ZEV so I didn’t realize until today they had a steel modular chassis. My partner/coach in Rangemaster Adv Instructor is running one and now I’m intrigued. Especially the v2. But I just want the lower and it doesn’t appear they’re selling that just yet. Figures.

The OZ9 V2 uses the same chassis as V1. I have only found two differences between the V1 and V2, the first difference being a design difference in the slide and the second is just a build configuration difference which was already possible if you built your own OZ9.

1.) V2 uppers use a new hybrid Gen 3 / 5 slide that uses the Gen 3 recoil system and a Gen 5 striker / safety plunger.

I am not sure why Zev did this. I have several OZ9 builds based on full Gen 3 (aka V1) and have had zero issues with the striker / safety plunger. On the one V2 OZ9 I got my hands on, the Gen 5 safety plunger interface with Zev PRO trigger bar (based on a Gen 1-4 design) appeared to introduce initial take up in the trigger pull which was not present in V1. The V1 trigger is phenomenal for being a striker fired Glock design, the V2 less so (or at least the one V2 I used).

2.) All V2 uppers use barrels with G19 barrel lugs which means they can only run on the OZ9 compact chassis which has a G19 locking block. The OZ9 standard chassis which uses the G17 locking block from Gen 1-4 is not utilized in the V2 lineup. (context: with the introduction of Gen 5, Glock changed the G17 and G34 to use G19 locking block / lugs).

This change makes sense from a modularity perspective. Even before V2, Zev already sold OZ9 long slides and extra long slides for the compact chassis, but AFAIK they didn't offer them in any pre-built pistols.

Anyway, the OZ9 V1 is my favorite striker fired pistol. I am still wondering what Zev was thinking with the V2 3/5 hybrid slide, but I'll reserve further judgement until I can get some extended time with one and see if I can get the trigger pull to match the V1.

[Biggy]

Is a SCD compatible with the V2 and V2 pistols ?

[Lon]

The OZ9 V2 uses the same chassis as V1. I have only found two differences between the V1 and V2, the first difference being a design difference in the slide and the second is just a build configuration difference which was already possible if you built your own OZ9.

1.) V2 uppers use a new hybrid Gen 3 / 5 slide that uses the Gen 3 recoil system and a Gen 5 striker / safety plunger.

I am not sure why Zev did this. I have several OZ9 builds based on full Gen 3 (aka V1) and have had zero issues with the striker / safety plunger. On the one V2 OZ9 I got my hands on, the Gen 5 safety plunger interface with Zev PRO trigger bar (based on a Gen 1-4 design) appeared to introduce initial take up in the trigger pull which was not present in V1. The V1 trigger is phenomenal for being a striker fired Glock design, the V2 less so (or at least the one V2 I used).

2.) All V2 uppers use barrels with G19 barrel lugs which means they can only run on the OZ9 compact chassis which has a G19 locking block. The OZ9 standard chassis which uses the G17 locking block from Gen 1-4 is not utilized in the V2 lineup. (context: with the introduction of Gen 5, Glock changed the G17 and G34 to use G19 locking block / lugs).

This change makes sense from a modularity perspective. Even before V2, Zev already sold OZ9 long slides and extra long slides for the compact chassis, but AFAIK they didn't offer them in any pre-built pistols.

Anyway, the OZ9 V1 is my favorite striker fired pistol. I am still wondering what Zev was thinking with the V2 3/5 hybrid slide, but I'll reserve further judgement until I can get some extended time with one and see if I can get the trigger pull to match the V1.

Thanks! Answers a lot of my questions.

[Biggy]

Is a SCD/ striker control device compatible with the Zev OZ9 V2 pistols ?

[Noah]

Is a SCD/ striker control device compatible with the Zev OZ9 V2 pistols ?

Yes, as far as I know and as far as I can tell. I believe you'd want the Gen 5 model.

[Tokarev]

Does anyone have info in the DOE contract guns? Is there anything unique about them? If so I wonder if ZEV will sell a commercial version.

[KentuckyWindage]

Does anyone have info in the DOE contract guns? Is there anything unique about them? If so I wonder if ZEV will sell a commercial version.


Interested as well.

[Bergeron]

I just got my Zed from the smith- It’s not a DOE gun by any means, but instead a full-size frame with a Brownells G34.3 blank solid-slide with some attention paid.

I’m super happy with how it came out, and I plan to use it as my main match pistol.

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[zcap]

One year OZ9 update based on a sample set of seven OZ9 pistols owned between me and several training partners.

There were no major functional issues to report. Several of the pistols encountered stoppages in the first magazine or two of usage. After that, they by and large cycled without issue, but on occasion failed to cycle range grade ammo at a higher rate than equivalent Glock models.

Based upon my measurements of numerous Gen 5 9mm Glocks and OZ9 pistols, the measured OZ9 tolerance ranges are in line with Glock, but Zev oversizes some dimensions (eg slide rails) resulting in some component interfaces having a tighter fit. This definitely gives the OZ9 a premium feel, but may contribute to the smaller cycling window compared to Glocks.

OZ9 longer and wider rails with debris cuts (bottom) vs Glock (top)
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The different weight distribution on the OZ9 with the heavier steel receiver and lighter slide is noticeable and feels less top heavy compared to a Glock. Additionally, the lower mass slide paired with a heavier recoil spring assembly does result in slightly milder feeling recoil impulse. The non-replaceable integrated locking block leaves me hesitant, perhaps unreasonably so, to shoot high volumes of defensive or +p loads.

The market is saturated with partially tensioned Glock triggers, but I think the Zev triggers are among the better ones with excellent fit and finish and they produces a smoother, lighter than OEM pull and break. Being partially tensioned, they still exhibit some creep through the wall and are a bit underwhelming when compared to the fully tensioned striker options like Timney and GPT now on the market. Zev includes optional, lighter trigger springs to enhance the trigger feel. In my experience, Zev's 3lbs spring paired with their light weight extended striker produces reliable ignition with defensive ammo, but I would use their 5 lb spring for "real" use.



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When shooting my HAP handloads off a benchrest with a red dot, the OZ9 with using both Zev's 1-10 twist Match and 1-14 twist Optimized Match barrels produced marginally smaller groups than a comparable Gen 5 with an OEM marksman barrel. Zev's ported hypercomp barrel, however, demonstrated poor accuracy (roughly 3" groups at 10 yards).

The Zev optic cut is quite deep and both the RMR and SRO both fit tightly into the pocket. Zev uses an altered extractor geometry, apparently to compensate for the deeper optic cut. The Zev extractor seems to require more force to actuate and absolutely mauls my snap cap rims and marks up brass cases as well.



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The OZ9 grip does offer some minor enhancements. The grip texture on the OZ9 decent for factory, but it leaves some areas such as the middle finger grip area and the undercut area untextured. The textured vertical palm swells on the OZ9 are a nice out of the box feature to aid in support hand recoil control, but in practice don't work much better than Talon grips on Glock frame. The OZ9 places the slide stop lever in a frame recess which mitigates slide stop issues often associated with a high grip, but it does make slide stop actuation slightly more difficult.



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no texturing on undercut or mid front grip panel (grip tape added on 2nd frame) 118868



The extended, slanted and textured magazine release button is nice, but because it is aluminum it tends to score softer polymer magazines like Magpul PMAGs.




aluminum mag catch
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painted ETS mag to show scoring
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The OZ9 frame uses a 18 degree grip angle as compared to the 22 degree Glock grip angle. Many find this angle more "natural", but because Zev is working within the constraints of maintaining Glock magazine and internal component compatibility, this does entail some trade-offs.

Firstly, the OZ9 grip feels bigger than a comparable Glock frame, somewhere between Glock's standard doublestack frames (eg 9mm) and their large frames (eg 10mm).

Secondly, slackening the grip from 22 to 18 degrees without adjusting anything else forces the trigger finger to compensate by 4 degrees downward to reach the same position on the trigger. At least in my case, that means my trigger finger is unnaturally pressed downward into my middle finger as well as pressing into the OZ9 frame when I put my finger on the trigger. Zev could put a "glove bevel" cut into their frame to help address this.

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Overall, I feel the OZ9 ergos could use some refinement. Unfortunately, Zev hasn't made any revisions to their grip frame in their V2 release.

The OZ9 is definitely an interesting pistol. However, I won't say it is a better pistol than a Glock, just different. After a year of use, I find most of the major OZ9 design changes entail some form of ergonomic, cost or reliability tradeoff. I find the set design decisions that Glock made to be more aligned with my current use cases, but several of my training partners who tested OZ9s with me are still running them as their primary pistol.

[BobRockefeller]

One year OZ9 update based on a sample set of seven OZ9 pistols owned between me and several training partners.


An excellent write up and report. Thanks for taking the time to follow-up.

[Tokarev]

I wonder what this means for the company.

West Valley City, UT — SilencerCo is proud to announce its pending acquisition of certain business operations of Zev Technologies, a firearm and firearm parts manufacturer. The two brands are excited to join together in their efforts to bring quality products to the firearms industry. The transaction is expected to close during the second half of July. SilencerCo plans to bring renewed focus to the Zev Technologies brand as Zev shifts away from its OEM operations while maintaining their headquarters in Centralia, Washington.

Zev Technologies is an industry leader that has created many influential products throughout the years. They pioneered the Glock customization trend with their popular slides, triggers, barrels, and more. Zev also created the OZ9 Pistol, with its unique internal design, to give shooters more balance and control. The innovation didn’t stop with the OZ9 Pistol, as Zev and Magpul are working to create the Folding Defensive Pistol (FDP-9) and the Folding Defensive Carbine (FDC-9).

“We are very happy to align ourselves with such an innovative company as Zev Technologies,” said Jonathon Shults, SilencerCo CEO. “We look forward to the launch of the FDP-9/FDC-9 in conjunction with Magpul and anticipate that product launch taking place later this year.”

Moving forward, SilencerCo will be hyper focused on furthering Zev’s brand. SilencerCo will be bringing additional resources for Zev-specific product launches and innovation. With this direction, SilencerCo is confident that Zev will have more opportunities to flourish as a brand.

“Our team is excited for the future of Zev under this new acquisition,” said Taylor Goode, Zev Technologies President. “We look forward to working closely with SilencerCo to enhance both of our brands and product lines.”

To learn more about Zev Technologies, go to https://www.zevtechnologies.com/. To learn more about SilencerCo, go to https://silencerco.com/.

[backtrail540]

I handled one of the gen5 based guns today. With a holosun dot and their light (pid?) it was $1599. Not a bad deal. I still like how they handle - grip angle, texture/shape, triggers etc...and am not terribly turned off by the price (buds guns usually has fairly decent deals on these).

[Tokarev]

I handled one of the gen5 based guns today. With a holosun dot and their light (pid?) it was $1599. Not a bad deal. I still like how they handle - grip angle, texture/shape, triggers etc...and am not terribly turned off by the price (buds guns usually has fairly decent deals on these).

Gen 5 in that they've standardized on the G19 locking block or Gen 5 in that it has an ambi slide release?

[backtrail540]

Gen 5 in that they've standardized on the G19 locking block or Gen 5 in that it has an ambi slide release?

Zev website says " gen5 internals and gen5 barrels".

[Lon]

This followed me home today. Too good a deal to pass up.

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[Timbonez]

Very nice, Lon. What do you plan on using it for?