LARP Discussion

[EPF]

And once you’ve shortened both ends, I could see a potential for needing or wanting to fire with the stock folded. Having a PDW close at hand in a vehicle, say a pretty-hurricane evacuation or even riding trails in a side-by-side I can think of scenarios where even point-shooting would be plausible from the driver’s seat. Not ideal, and yeah theoretically you’d have a pistol available too and that might be a better tool... but there certainly could be situations where the PDW with folded stock was the A-answer. In fact, I might be less inclined to compromise my pistol carry position when driving and instead rely on the PDW.

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:p

[rob_s]

this is coming up in a few threads, so rather than continue to pollute those threads, maybe we can just talk about it all in one place.

if you don't know what LARPing is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/larp
LARP/ (lɑːp) /
noun
a type of role-playing game in which each participant assumes a particular character and acts out various scenarios at events which last for a predetermined time
verb
(intr) to participate in such an event

See also "Walter Mitty"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/walter-mitty
Walter Mitty
noun, plural Walter Mittys.
an ordinary, timid person who is given to adventurous and self-aggrandizing daydreams or secret plans as a way of glamorizing a humdrum life.

it's a term often used to describe folks in the firearms community that seem to be "playing pretend" with the guns, gear, classes, etc. that they choose.

To me, there is a distinction between this and "shoots for fun" or "collects guns for fun" or "assembles period-correct replicas of military arms" as those endeavors tend to be more honest in their reasoning.

LARPing, used in this context typically as a pejorative, tends to be reserved for folks that are unaware that what they are really doing is LARPing and appear to have convinced themselves that their actions are instead based on a real need.

[Zincwarrior]

this is coming up in a few threads, so rather than continue to pollute those threads, maybe we can just talk about it all in one place.

if you don't know what LARPing is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/larp
LARP/ (lɑːp) /
noun
a type of role-playing game in which each participant assumes a particular character and acts out various scenarios at events which last for a predetermined time
verb
(intr) to participate in such an event

See also "Walter Mitty"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/walter-mitty
Walter Mitty
noun, plural Walter Mittys.
an ordinary, timid person who is given to adventurous and self-aggrandizing daydreams or secret plans as a way of glamorizing a humdrum life.

it's a term often used to describe folks in the firearms community that seem to be "playing pretend" with the guns, gear, classes, etc. that they choose.

To me, there is a distinction between this and "shoots for fun" or "collects guns for fun" or "assembles period-correct replicas of military arms" as those endeavors tend to be more honest in their reasoning.

LARPing, used in this context typically as a pejorative, tends to be reserved for folks that are unaware that what they are really doing is LARPing and appear to have convinced themselves that their actions are instead based on a real need.
LARPing is a completely different thing. The closest comparable might be a shooting competition while wearing WWII uniform and gear. Airsoft would be much closer to LARPing than going to the range.

[LittleLebowski]

Let’s keep this light hearted. We would all enjoy hanging out in real life, why not conduct ourselves as such.

[rob_s]

Let’s keep this light hearted. We would all enjoy hanging out in real life, why not conduct ourselves as such.

I'm not trying to be adversarial, it just seems off-topic in most of the threads where it's brought up, so having someplace else to hash it out seems warranted.

Likely because I'm so critical of it in general, and because my threshold for what I generally consider to be LARPing is a lot lower than others, it shows up as borderline trolling posts that would be fine/funny/entertaining in GD but that are a distraction that should probably be deleted in technical areas.

[EPF]

I think there are three main points to this “discussion”

1. Historically you are the one who uses that term on this forum as a pejorative. Sometimes you act like the self appointed arbiter of what is real and acceptable.
2. I’m sorry that having your hypocrisy gently and playfully thrown back at you has upset you and caused you to start this thread. I understand that it’s pollution when someone other than you does it.
3. Let’s not go down this path. We can go back to enjoying each other’s contributions and I will knock it off.

[LittleLebowski]

I'm not trying to be adversarial, it just seems off-topic in most of the threads where it's brought up, so having someplace else to hash it out seems warranted.

Likely because I'm so critical of it in general, and because my threshold for what I generally consider to be LARPing is a lot lower than others, it shows up as borderline trolling posts that would be fine/funny/entertaining in GD but that are a distraction that should probably be deleted in technical areas.

No worries, dude.

[SecondsCount]

Is this LARPing?


https://youtu.be/1bm3GgDxPOM

[snow white]

What did I just watch...

[Sal Picante]

Is this LARPing?


https://youtu.be/1bm3GgDxPOM

No. That's retarded.

[Trooper224]

Is this LARPing?


https://youtu.be/1bm3GgDxPOM

If it doesn't involve rubber swords and fake elf ears it's not LARPing.

That's not LARP, it's just a complete soup sandwich.

[TGS]

Is this LARPing?

Nope.

That's just job security for Will Petty.

[BehindBlueI's]

Is this LARPing?


https://youtu.be/1bm3GgDxPOM

"Enough targets on round" really drove home exactly how wrong this is. Was this a serious recommendation or is this dude just a dead pan troll?

[randyho]

Is this LARPing?
We're going to need a scoring system to determine if that or the original precision web site have won the internet this week. I'm at a loss.

[Baldanders]

Back in high school, my nerd friend group considered LARPing the "bridge too far."

Aside from our most socially inept member, who had some of his most rewarding social interactions that way.






What's the term for the opposite of this mentality? As my posting recently shows I'm more into overthinking very mundane problems that can be solved with firearms.

Fuck, am I a "Fudd?"

[SiriusBlunder]

"Enough targets on round" really drove home exactly how wrong this is. Was this a serious recommendation or is this dude just a dead pan troll?


From what I read on EveryDayOnNoDaysOff, the original poster quickly disabled comments due to the all the negativity and then pulled the video a couple days after posting. Based on that, I think he was serious, but who knows for sure.

In any case, there is a parody of it which is mildly humorous:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4m2s-6FcE

[EPF]

rubber swords and fake elf ears .

Stay out of my bedroom!

[DDTSGM]

"Enough targets on round" really drove home exactly how wrong this is. Was this a serious recommendation or is this dude just a dead pan troll?

I watched the first 1/2 w/o my headphones on, from the last part I think the guy is sincere, but he built the scenario around wanting to show the shooting under the door technique.

You're out of the truck, you have an adversary that is far enough away that you will, eventually, go prone. Why do the crawl through the back seat? Go prone using a tire for cover and take the guy.

I don't think it is LARPing or a dead pan troll, just not tactically sound.

[Tom Duffy]

Well, he did correctly identify my problem. I need to carry lighter ammo so that I have more energy. :)

[Balisong]

From what I read on EveryDayOnNoDaysOff, the original poster quickly disabled comments due to the all the negativity and then pulled the video a couple days after posting. Based on that, I think he was serious, but who knows for sure.

In any case, there is a parody of it which is mildly humorous:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4m2s-6FcE

Oh damn that had me in tears! Beards McOperator lmao.

The original video he was making fun of was cringy as hell. Right up there with Costa on a runway stage or whatever dropping down prone and posturing with his AR.

ETA:
Or the one with the dude teaching the wobbling in doorways

[SecondsCount]

Oh damn that had me in tears! Beards McOperator lmao.

The original video he was making fun of was cringy as hell. Right up there with Costa on a runway stage or whatever dropping down prone and posturing with his AR.

ETA:
Or the one with the dude teaching the wobbling in doorways
Not sticking up for Costa but he admits to just goofing around in that video.

ETA: As Ken Hackathorn would say "We're in the entertrainment business"

[Balisong]

Not sticking up for Costa but he admits to just goofing around in that video.

ETA: As Ken Hackathorn would say "We're in the entertrainment business"

Ah ok, I had never heard that about the video and always had the impression that was "serious stuff" lol. So I guess I'll cut him slack on that one then. Thanks for the heads up.

[BehindBlueI's]

From what I read on EveryDayOnNoDaysOff, the original poster quickly disabled comments due to the all the negativity and then pulled the video a couple days after posting. Based on that, I think he was serious, but who knows for sure.

In any case, there is a parody of it which is mildly humorous:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4m2s-6FcE

I need a sunroof in my truck now, damn it. Maybe that's what I can spend my Trump-bux on.

[TheNewbie]

I need a sunroof in my truck now, damn it. Maybe that's what I can spend my Trump-bux on.

Trump-bux. Lol that’s genuinely funny.

[SiriusBlunder]

I need a sunroof in my truck now, damn it. Maybe that's what I can spend my Trump-bux on.

Good idea.

Just make sure the furniture on your AR color coordinates with the truck.

For example, I wouldn't be caught dead defending my life with an ugly black rifle in a brown truck. How gauche.

[Stephanie B]

I learned something, here. I had thought that LARP was a corruption of LURP (itself a corruption of LRRP).

[idahojess]

I learned something, here. I had thought that LARP was a corruption of LURP (itself a corruption of LRRP).

Preparing for a LRRP would definitely be LARPing for most people.

:)

[BigD]

Not sticking up for Costa but he admits to just goofing around in that video.

ETA: As Ken Hackathorn would say "We're in the entertrainment business"

More like he admitted he was giving the Japanese fanbois what they wanted. He could have politely declined but since they flew him over, he felt like he owed it to them to prance around the stage.

[Caballoflaco]

For the check they cut Costa I would have done the same. It didn’t even involve tentacles. We’ve all got a price.

[Joe in PNG]

For the check they cut Costa I would have done the same. It didn’t even involve tentacles. We’ve all got a price.

I was going to make a crack about the Japanese and schoolgirls, but that's more Tarran than Costa.

[BehindBlueI's]

For the check they cut Costa I would have done the same. It didn’t even involve tentacles. We’ve all got a price.

I think my price for prancing around with an airsoft would be surprisingly low.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I know my take on that was controversial back when so no idea why I'm rehashing it but you couldn't get me to play that runway game for a bunch of photakus for all the kobe beef in Japan.

Which, fortunately, is never going to come up. But man, I hate that shit.

Anyway I can tolerate a bit of larpyness in the gun game as long as nobody involved is presenting it as SERIOUS BUSINESS.

But when I encounter tubby software engineers trying awkwardly to communicate in hoarse PATMAC shouts... I have to bail.

I try to be really up front about where I'm at in life and what my reasons are for doing or not doing. Sometimes they're dumb reasons but I try never to hide them.

Of course, given my general inclination towards irresponsibility, I guess there's an case to be made that I am larping as a super accountable, high-integrity Alpha.

On the other hand, I keep making mortgage payments and investing on behalf of my kid so maybe I'm larping as a dirtbag, I don't know.

[Caballoflaco]

I know my take on that was controversial back when so no idea why I'm rehashing it but you couldn't get me to play that runway game for a bunch of photakus for all the kobe beef in Japan.

Which, fortunately, is never going to come up. But man, I hate that shit.

Anyway I can tolerate a bit of larpyness in the gun game as long as nobody involved is presenting it as SERIOUS BUSINESS.

But when I encounter tubby software engineers trying awkwardly to communicate in hoarse PATMAC shouts... I have to bail.

I try to be really up front about where I'm at in life and what my reasons are for doing or not doing. Sometimes they're dumb reasons but I try never to hide them.

Of course, given my general inclination towards irresponsibility, I guess there's an case to be made that I am larping as a super accountable, high-integrity Alpha.

On the other hand, I keep making mortgage payments and investing on behalf of my kid so maybe I'm larping as a dirtbag, I don't know.

Seriously? even for enough money that your family descendants would never have to work if they didn’t want to and the tentacles were like really super smoking hot.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Strange line in the sand to draw, I know. And the more detailed this becomes, the stranger I think it's going to get.

[YVK]

We're going to need a scoring system


I totally agree, we need a scoring system to describe LARPing. Totally the best way to objectify the discussion. Generally the best way to start is to define a baseline / point zero in a binary fashion and then go from there.

So, ARs/semi rifles are near literally never used in civilian cases. Maybe literally. I've heard there were some 15 mil ARs in circulation, I don't know of any cases them being used by civilians in home / self defense. If one doesn't shoot competition with one, is owning an AR a LARPing?

[Trooper224]

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[EPF]

I know my take on that was controversial back when so no idea why I'm rehashing it but you couldn't get me to play that runway game for a bunch of photakus for all the kobe beef in Japan.

Which, fortunately, is never going to come up. But man, I hate that shit.

Anyway I can tolerate a bit of larpyness in the gun game as long as nobody involved is presenting it as SERIOUS BUSINESS.

But when I encounter tubby software engineers trying awkwardly to communicate in hoarse PATMAC shouts... I have to bail.

I try to be really up front about where I'm at in life and what my reasons are for doing or not doing. Sometimes they're dumb reasons but I try never to hide them.

Of course, given my general inclination towards irresponsibility, I guess there's an case to be made that I am larping as a super accountable, high-integrity Alpha.

On the other hand, I keep making mortgage payments and investing on behalf of my kid so maybe I'm larping as a dirtbag, I don't know.


Just to tie this thread together, I was in a very early Magpul Costa class with at least one other member of this forum present. Like 09 maybe? Can’t be sure it all runs together from those days.

In that class was a 350+ pound guy who showed up carrying at least 30 mags on his person. A full 90’s tac vest that might have been for vampire hunting. Dude had like 10 mags on drop legs. Multiple knives. In central VA in June.

He was shooting a left handed, home built, AR that couldn’t put a pair together without a malfunction.

Let’s just say he watched most of the class while being attended by the medic 🙂

Coincidentally, the AAR of that class on another forum was my first experience with web drama as the owner of the property was not happy that I had added his tardiness and general lack of preparedness to the review. I’ve generally tried to stay out of drama since. 🙂

[Balisong]

Just to tie this thread together, I was in a very early Magpul Costa class with at least one other member of this forum present. Like 09 maybe? Can’t be sure it all runs together from those days.

In that class was a 350+ pound guy who showed up carrying at least 30 mags on his person. A full 90’s tac vest that might have been for vampire hunting. Dude had like 10 mags on drop legs. Multiple knives. In central VA in June.

He was shooting a left handed, home built, AR that couldn’t put a pair together without a malfunction.

Let’s just say he watched most of the class while being attended by the medic 🙂

Coincidentally, the AAR of that class on another forum was my first experience with web drama as the owner of the property was not happy that I had added his tardiness and general lack of preparedness to the review. I’ve generally tried to stay out of drama since. 🙂

That sounds hilarious. The time I trained with Travis was a solid group of dudes, not long before he split from Magpul. What was the medic attending to? Was dude having a heart attack lol?

I can sorta understand all the mags maybe, cuz I hate reloading. But..... knives?

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I totally agree, we need a scoring system to describe LARPing. Totally the best way to objectify the discussion. Generally the best way to start is to define a baseline / point zero in a binary fashion and then go from there.

So, ARs/semi rifles are near literally never used in civilian cases. Maybe literally. I've heard there were some 15 mil ARs in circulation, I don't know of any cases them being used by civilians in home / self defense. If one doesn't shoot competition with one, is owning an AR a LARPing?

Um.... Sutherland Springs Church shooting?

Pretty sure ARs are used in many instances of home defense.

[EPF]

That sounds hilarious. The time I trained with Travis was a solid group of dudes, not long before he split from Magpul. What was the medic attending to? Was dude having a heart attack lol?

I can sorta understand all the mags maybe, cuz I hate reloading. But..... knives?

The guy was a heat casualty. The class AI was a 20th group medic who was filling in for Haley who had a family thing. The class was billed as advanced and shooters were fairly high level for that time. Lot of local competitors etc. came out and a group of PJs who were sent around to civilian classes for before teaching.

[YVK]

Um.... Sutherland Springs Church shooting?

Pretty sure ARs are used in many instances of home defense.

OK, you're right, one well described use. You remember what other instances? I get American Rifleman that runs that home defense column monthly, I don't remember of any but I admit I don't concentrate on those numbers.

NSSF estimates 5-10 mil ARs in US. Say, there are 100 cases of AR use in home defense that we don't know / don't remember of. That's a historical 0.001% chance of that rifle being used in HD. I think that, in a context of this thread, the question is still valid. Is owning AR a LARPing?
Note that I am not stating that it is, I am simply trying to establish a minimal definition, based on use probability and p-f.com opinion of that.

[frozentundra]

If we civilians are lucky, we're all just LARPing.

If you've LARPed your way into shooting a FAST drill under 7 seconds, good job, you're probably also actually harder to kill.

If you've LARPed your way into shooting a FAST drill under 5 seconds, your're obsessed, you spend car money on ammo, you probably war-game your trip to Burger King, and you're probably much, much harder to kill.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

The guy was a heat casualty. The class AI was a 20th group medic who was filling in for Haley who had a family thing. The class was billed as advanced and shooters were fairly high level for that time. Lot of local competitors etc. came out and a group of PJs who were sent around to civilian classes for before teaching.
Reading this post it does occur to me that I was right on the verge of being a heat casualty at my last ECQC in Idaho. Day three, I admit, I was right on the edge. If I'd gone a little harder I would have stroked right out. I was soaking my shirt down at the fountain every couple of hours and was surreptitiously standing in the shade at every opportunity.

So... maybe I should be suppressing my snark a bit here.

[EPF]

Reading this post it does occur to me that I was right on the verge of being a heat casualty at my last ECQC in Idaho. Day three, I admit, I was right on the edge. If I'd gone a little harder I would have stroked right out. I was soaking my shirt down at the fountain every couple of hours and was surreptitiously standing in the shade at every opportunity.

So... maybe I should be suppressing my snark a bit here.

I’m going to guess that you made it a bit longer into the class than 2 hours of zeroing and safety briefs :cool:

[Maple Syrup Actual]

My memory of the event is not perfect but I believe that is true, yes.

But there was a big guy I'd squared off with the day before and my relief at not having to try him again was probably more apparent to everyone than I would like.

[BehindBlueI's]

I totally agree, we need a scoring system to describe LARPing. Totally the best way to objectify the discussion. Generally the best way to start is to define a baseline / point zero in a binary fashion and then go from there.

So, ARs/semi rifles are near literally never used in civilian cases. Maybe literally. I've heard there were some 15 mil ARs in circulation, I don't know of any cases them being used by civilians in home / self defense. If one doesn't shoot competition with one, is owning an AR a LARPing?


Um.... Sutherland Springs Church shooting?

Pretty sure ARs are used in many instances of home defense.

I'll be that guy and split the difference. They are used in a few. Handguns are much much more prevalent in my files, followed by shotguns. Rifles of any type are a very distant 3rd.

[Ed L]

OK, you're right, one well described use. You remember what other instances? I get American Rifleman that runs that home defense column monthly, I don't remember of any but I admit I don't concentrate on those numbers.

NSSF estimates 5-10 mil ARs in US. Say, there are 100 cases of AR use in home defense that we don't know / don't remember of. That's a historical 0.001% chance of that rifle being used in HD. I think that, in a context of this thread, the question is still valid. Is owning AR a LARPing?
Note that I am not stating that it is, I am simply trying to establish a minimal definition, based on use probability and p-f.com opinion of that.

I am sure that Joe Biden would agree with you.

[TheRoland]

This thread reminds me that I have not shared the true account of the last dynamic critical incident, which I was involved in on the first day of April.

Myself and three of my business associates had been contracted to investigate a local underground natural formation. The local LEOs were understaffed, and thus had put out word that they'd pay bounties to any enterprising party that would investigate reports of what Col. Cooper might have referred to (in less politically correct times) as goblins. We'd taken the job.

We made our way past the cave entrance without any trouble. While none of us had Darkvision, we had payed attention to the EDC forum and our torches easily had the lumens to bypass any photonic barriers caused by natural vegetation. Entering the first chamber, though, we were beset by the goblins. Even expecting some sort of encounter, they managed to attack first, which shows that value of having higher initiative bonuses.

The first goblin started his turn with an edged weapon about 25 feet away (barely outside the classic 21 feet) but easily closed the distance before attacking one of my associates. Frankly, I think he could have move another 5 feet or so, without needing to Dash. Perhaps the Tueller drill should be adjusted for more realistic medium creature move speeds?

The second goblin took a shot at me from behind cover with, I think, a shortbow, but having been a long student of combat, I'd sought cover, too, and the +2 to my AC from being partially obscured was plenty to make him miss.

Long story short, my Wizard associate managed the goblins and any unknown contacts with a single cast of fireball. I don't know what you're on about 15s. If you're not rolling d8s for damage by now, I don't know what to tell you.

[idahojess]

OK, you're right, one well described use. You remember what other instances?

There was the pregnant girl in Florida last year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-invader-fatally-shot-florida-pregnant-woman-ar-15-n1076026

There was a recent active response video with an apartment dweller who scared away a couple of guys breaking in with an AR.

http://youtu.be/gy_wrTVIuqM


Here's an older compiled list, I remember seeing some them mentioned when they happened. (I don't think they all count, and I'm not a fan of TTAG, but they do have some links).

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/defensive-ar-15-uses/

There is also Paul Harrell (pretty sure that was an AR, it is referenced as a semi auto rifle):

https://www.wallowa.com/news/harrell-freed-of-manslaughter-charges-in-troy-shooting/article_b148a9a9-2280-5ca8-968f-3e7a84fcdc1a.html

I'm definitely not arguing that handguns aren't used more, but there certainly have been some notable instances, particularly by smaller people and kids.

[wvincent]

This thread reminds me that I have not shared the true account of the last dynamic critical incident, which I was involved in on the first day of April.

Myself and three of my business associates had been contracted to investigate a local underground natural formation. The local LEOs were understaffed, and thus had put out word that they'd pay bounties to any enterprising party that would investigate reports of what Col. Cooper might have referred to (in less politically correct times) as goblins. We'd taken the job.

We made our way past the cave entrance without any trouble. While none of us had Darkvision, we had payed attention to the EDC forum and our torches easily had the lumens to bypass any photonic barriers caused by natural vegetation. Entering the first chamber, though, we were beset by the goblins. Even expecting some sort of encounter, they managed to attack first, which shows that value of having higher initiative bonuses.

The first goblin started his turn with an edged weapon about 25 feet away (barely outside the classic 21 feet) but easily closed the distance before attacking one of my associates. Frankly, I think he could have move another 5 feet or so, without needing to Dash. Perhaps the Tueller drill should be adjusted for more realistic medium creature move speeds?

The second goblin took a shot at me from behind cover with, I think, a shortbow, but having been a long student of combat, I'd sought cover, too, and the +2 to my AC from being partially obscured was plenty to make him miss.

Long story short, my Wizard associate managed the goblins and any unknown contacts with a single cast of fireball. I don't know what you're on about 15s. If you're not rolling d8s for damage by now, I don't know what to tell you.

WTF am I reading here?

[TheRoland]

WTF am I reading here?

I got tired of writing and skipped a few turns. We were overleveled for the dungeon anyways.

[YVK]

I am sure that Joe Biden would agree with you.


First, this isn't a political argument and, second, you don't know where I am going with my line. Reminder: the discussion is about LARPing, not 2A.

[Ed L]

I am sure that Joe Biden would agree with you.


First, this isn't a political argument and, second, you don't know where I am going with my line. Reminder: the discussion is about LARPing, not 2A.

In this day and age when you start marginalizing the usefulness or AR-15s, it becomes a political argument about the 2nd Amendment. While I especially appreciate your contributions on this board to medical issues, I gotta disagree with you on this one.

I can find a lot of home defense shootings where multiple rounds were fired, and some where the defender ran out of ammo. In situations like those, an AR would have been useful. I need not say that running out of ammunition when there is still a threat is a bad thing. Do you really want to rely on the criminals making the decision to run away? If you look at the defensive shootings of Tom Given's students you see criminals taking multiple shots with service caliber handguns. Some of his defending students went to slide lock. I don't want to be any less prepared than that. And in a home defense situation where concealment and carrying a gun isn't an issue, I would rather have a more capable long arm if possible. Especially these days when criminals are being released from prisons prematurely and police response times are slowing, which will encourage more boldness on the part of criminals. Not to mention that the AR-15 is the one of the most commonly sold centerfire rifles where legal.

Here are a few home defense shootings with ARs and AKs that I found:

AK-47 home defense use: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/person-shot-and-killed-in-davie-home-invasion/53866/

Homeowner kills 2 burglars with AK-47 : https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/38330717/homeowner-shoots-kills-2-burglars-with-ak-47/

Homeowner kills 3 home invaders with AR-15: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

Man uses AR-15 to shoot man attacking neighbor:https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/ct-abn-oswego-stabbing-charges-st-0227-20180227-story.html

Man kills 2 home intruders with AK-47: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article212474004.html

[YVK]

In this day and age when you start marginalizing the usefulness or AR-15s

Who said I was? I am asking an opinion of a group in general, and those who keep bringing LARP in particular, if owning an AR by a civilian is LARPing, before I made my next point.

[SecondsCount]

Who said I was? I am asking an opinion of a group in general, and those who keep bringing LARP in particular, if owning an AR by a civilian is LARPing, before I made my next point.

Not taking a side here, just my two cents-

Some would say owning an AR-15 is LARPing, and they get referred to as Fudds. They say things like why do you need a capacity higher than five rounds or you don't need a gun like that for hunting.

I enjoy owning and shooting an AR, and I hope I never have to use it as the for the reason that the 2nd Amendment was written :cool:

[BehindBlueI's]

Who said I was? I am asking an opinion of a group in general, and those who keep bringing LARP in particular, if owning an AR by a civilian is LARPing, before I made my next point.

No. Owning a single action Colt isn't LARPing either.

Playing dress up and pretending to be something you aren't is LARPing, regardless of if that's as an old timey cowboy or Beardy McOperator.

[Chain]

All talk of LARPing is gatekeeping and divides us as members of the shooting culture. We shouldn't be tearing down fellow shooters. Terms like larping, tacticool, mall ninja, etc. all serve to divide us and turn on each other. Yes yes it's fun to look down on the larper and those who do are so much more serious and correct. But similar to joshing at all the memes about people trying to panic buy guns during coronavirus lockdowns and running in to waiting periods, it all just seems so petty.

[YVK]

No. Owning a single action Colt isn't LARPing either.

Playing dress up and pretending to be something you aren't is LARPing, regardless of if that's as an old timey cowboy or Beardy McOperator.

The point I was getting to is that if a civilian ownership of a rifle that can be easily pressed into a military service yet has a 99.999% probability of never being used in its intended role is not LARPing (and I don't think it is), then we should strongly reconsider ever using that term again in description of any firearm ownership.
If we using the term in describing human behavior, then I'd argue that without getting in person's head, understanding their source of knowledge, prior influences, reference points, abilities and opportunities to rectify deficiencies etc, we can't use it either. No matter how grotesque the behavior can be.

While in the past, usually at day 3 of a carbine class, I felt like I was doing just that, over the time I have grown to despise the term and its usage.

[Joe in PNG]

The Inrange Test is a pretty good dividing line.

Gun Jesus holding a Chauchat LMG = not LARPing

Gun Jesus in WWI French uniform holding a Chauchat LMG = LARPing

[wvincent]

I must apologize to all of you in this thread. When ever I hear the term LARP, I can never get my mind past this image.
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Since I can't take this thread seriously, I will bow out now.

[Joe in PNG]

I must apologize to all of you in this thread. When ever I hear the term LARP, I can never get my mind past this image.
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Does putting a Snickers bar into the mag well cause the gun to change into something better?

[wvincent]

Does putting a Snickers bar into the mag well cause the gun to change into something better?

Yeah, hopefully an airsoft pez dispenser that shoots snicker into you mouth?

[Joe in PNG]

Yeah, hopefully an airsoft pez dispenser that shoots snicker into you mouth?

Considering I've seen Snickers bars turn Mr. Bean into a kung fu master... why not hope it could change your plain jane gat into a Langdon 92?

[wvincent]

Considering I've seen Snickers bars turn Mr. Bean into a kung fu master... why not hope it could change your plain jane gat into a Langdon 92?

Now you're getting into Kimmy Granger/Vegas Weekend level fantasy.
I like the way you think!!!

[DDTSGM]

All talk of LARPing is gatekeeping and divides us as members of the shooting culture. We shouldn't be tearing down fellow shooters. Terms like larping, tacticool, mall ninja, etc. all serve to divide us and turn on each other. Yes yes it's fun to look down on the larper and those who do are so much more serious and correct. But similar to joshing at all the memes about people trying to panic buy guns during coronavirus lockdowns and running in to waiting periods, it all just seems so petty.

Yes yes it's fun to look down on the larper and those who do are so much more serious and correct.

If you.....only describe malfunctions as 'Phase 1, Phase 2, etc......you're a LARPER.

If you....do three hours of crossfit a day, sleep w/o sheets under a fan and haven't had a 'bad' carb for months, just so you can AIWB......you're a LARPER.

If you....have every taken a picture of your pistol, with a watch draped over it, or, in the general vicinity of your pistol.......you're a LARPER.

If you...have never been in the .mil, have a full set of armor, chest rig, a team wendy helmet, NVG, a Baofeng squad radio, laser designator, and talk about your 'six'.....you're a LARPER.

If you...feel you have to have most of the above to attend a training class....you're a LARPER.

So, to sum it up.....

If you...don't act like I think you ought to act....you're a LARPER

Isn't that pretty much the way it goeas, anyone who ain't me is a LARPER.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

If you....have every taken a picture of your pistol, with a watch draped over it, or, in the general vicinity of your pistol.......you're a LARPER.


I did this a bunch of times, but it was for work. What's the term for that...Live Action Remunerated Photography?

Damn it, larping again! Man once you head down this rabbit hole it's hard to escape.

[DDTSGM]

I did this a bunch of times, but it was for work. What's the term for that...Live Action Remunerated Photography?

Damn it, larping again! Man once you head down this rabbit hole it's hard to escape.

Pictures or it never happened.

[sickeness]

LARPing is alive and rampant in the shooting community.
Check instagram for thousands of dudes with glamour shots of their plate carriers, nvg rigs, Roland specials and hawaiian shirts and flip flops unironically talking about the upcoming "boogaloo" and calling everyone who has .mil or LEO experience "bootlickers". Never mind that 90% of them literally have never trained in the use of any said equipment beyond youtube.

[rob_s]

In this day and age when you start marginalizing the usefulness or AR-15s, it becomes a political argument about the 2nd Amendment.

No, it doesn’t. That’s just a lazy way for LARPers to not have to actually come up with plausible defenses for their larpiness.

There is a difference between telling you that I think you’re full of shit when you say you “need” a suppressed AR, 47,000 hours of gun camp, a plate carrier, and the latest and greatest of ammo selections to repel... whoever the fuck you think is breaking in to your house, and the government telling you that you CAN’T own that thing. Or me supporting said government, for that matter.

Stating otherwise is a red herring, or is it strawman? Maybe dunning Kruger? Cognitive dissonance? I forget which term we’re using on the internet these days about people we disagree with to make ourselves seem smarter. Whichever one it is, assume I mean that.

[rob_s]

Playing dress up and pretending to be something you aren't is LARPing, regardless of if that's as an old timey cowboy or Beardy McOperator.

The critical distinction being, the SASS guy *knows* he’s LARPing and so does everyone else at the cowboy match. Captain Multicam, on the other hand, often doesn’t and neither do the other 23 ball-lickers at their gun camp taught by tieronedood.

I got no issue with Captain Muticam when he can admit the silliness of what he’s doing, or just admit he’s there because it’s a fun weekend away from wife and kids. But what happens in this industry is that it becomes a self-licking ice cream cone, and an echo chamber, where folks get so caught up in their own bullshit and that bullshit is repeated by everyone they surround themselves with online, at matches, at classes, at the gun shop, at the range... it takes in near cult-like status. Never being confronted with a countering opinion, and running away or screaming “mah 2a rights!” Whenever questioned just drives them further into the cave (or basement, as it may be). Layer in the constant repeating of how there’s threats lurking around every corner and you’d better be prepared (all to sell more shit, fill more classes, and make the guy feel like less of a weird-ass) and it only gets worse.

[rob_s]

The point I was getting to is that if a civilian ownership of a rifle that can be easily pressed into a military service yet has a 99.999% probability of never being used in its intended role is not LARPing (and I don't think it is), then we should strongly reconsider ever using that term again in description of any firearm ownership.
If we using the term in describing human behavior, then I'd argue that without getting in person's head, understanding their source of knowledge, prior influences, reference points, abilities and opportunities to rectify deficiencies etc, we can't use it either. No matter how grotesque the behavior can be.

While in the past, usually at day 3 of a carbine class, I felt like I was doing just that, over the time I have grown to despise the term and its usage.

To me, it’s way more about actions, activities, and intentions than it is about ownership of a specific object.

And I disagree that you have to get into someone else’s head. We have the reality of their public statements by which to gauge their behavior.

[rob_s]

All talk of LARPing is gatekeeping and divides us as members of the shooting culture. We shouldn't be tearing down fellow shooters. Terms like larping, tacticool, mall ninja, etc. all serve to divide us and turn on each other. Yes yes it's fun to look down on the larper and those who do are so much more serious and correct. But similar to joshing at all the memes about people trying to panic buy guns during coronavirus lockdowns and running in to waiting periods, it all just seems so petty.

I agree in theory/concept/principle. I’m not trying to tear anyone down or divide anyone.

I don’t think that calling bullshit in someone’s fantasy is necessarily meant to divide. You simply can’t have an intelligent conversation with someone wearing a wizard robe and hat that keeps insisting on chanting incantations. Unfortunately they often don’t break out said hat and robe until well into the conversation, at which point it just becomes uncomfortable for everyone involved...

[Cory]

Someone else is in a fantasy land, LARPing. They're trying to act like something they aren't, knowingly or not.

Who gives a shit?

-Cory

[BehindBlueI's]

If we using the term in describing human behavior, then I'd argue that without getting in person's head, understanding their source of knowledge, prior influences, reference points, abilities and opportunities to rectify deficiencies etc, we can't use it either. No matter how grotesque the behavior can be.

While in the past, usually at day 3 of a carbine class, I felt like I was doing just that, over the time I have grown to despise the term and its usage.


All talk of LARPing is gatekeeping and divides us as members of the shooting culture. We shouldn't be tearing down fellow shooters. Terms like larping, tacticool, mall ninja, etc. all serve to divide us and turn on each other. Yes yes it's fun to look down on the larper and those who do are so much more serious and correct. But similar to joshing at all the memes about people trying to panic buy guns during coronavirus lockdowns and running in to waiting periods, it all just seems so petty.

I don't buy in to the theory that we can't hold people accountable for their behavior and that just because somebody owns a gun we should overlook their behavior. Gun owners aren't always "the good guy" nor are they always worth rallying around. I counter your everybody should be able to do everything because nobody can judge anybody sentiment with:

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ChipotleBoys.jpg


Someone else is in a fantasy land, LARPing. They're trying to act like something they aren't, knowingly or not.

Who gives a shit?

-Cory


Generally, I don't. Until their bullshit overflows onto others. You get the super-tactical-ninja guy who insists you'll be killed in the streets for carrying a revolver, the wannabe cowboy who insists you'll shoot your dick of with a Glock, and the assorted militia idiots who make it easier for gun bans to be put into place by making gun owners less palatable to the general public with their talk of 3% armed revolution, etc.

If you want to LARP and realize what you're doing, that's absolutely fine with me. If you want to recommend a Judge as a self defense gun because of your make-believe world, I'm going to call you on your shit. I would think that this forum in particular realizes the value of that, as that's part of the core mission.

[Cory]

Generally, I don't. Until their bullshit overflows onto others. You get the super-tactical-ninja guy who insists you'll be killed in the streets for carrying a revolver, the wannabe cowboy who insists you'll shoot your dick of with a Glock, and the assorted militia idiots who make it easier for gun bans to be put into place by making gun owners less palatable to the general public with their talk of 3% armed revolution, etc.

If you want to LARP and realize what you're doing, that's absolutely fine with me. If you want to recommend a Judge as a self defense gun because of your make-believe world, I'm going to call you on your shit. I would think that this forum in particular realizes the value of that, as that's part of the core mission.

I can definitely see drawing a line with people giving bad advice. I don't really think thats the same issue though. Morons recommend .410 zombie max in your judge for self defense all the time, without pretending to be something they aren't. It isn't LARP it's derp. They don't know the information and that causes the bad advice/instruction/suggestion.

For me, LARP means pretend. Pretending or imagining your some cool .mil guy in your head is LARP. Pretending that react to contact mounted with 1 of your 4 vics disabled is applicable to your life as a civilian headed for groceries is LARP. Neither one really impacts others, so it's dumb but I don't care.

Plenty of LARPers are derpy... but I dont think the LARP is the real problem there. It's a derp problem. If those folks actually had an understanding, or knew that there was stuff they don't know that they don't know... the problem would be solved.

-Cory

[BehindBlueI's]

I can definitely see drawing a line with people giving bad advice. I don't really think thats the same issue though. Morons recommend .410 zombie max in your judge for self defense all the time, without pretending to be something they aren't. It isn't LARP it's derp. They don't know the information and that causes the bad advice/instruction/suggestion.

I can see that distinction. My question would be why do they think they are qualified to offer advice in the first place? I think that sort of self-delusion is very much a form of LARPing in the context of this thread. They *imagine* they are the sort of person who's qualified to offer advice in this arena, they present it as such to others, assuming that role, but they aren't qualified any more then I can cast a fireball.

[YVK]

And I disagree that you have to get into someone else’s head. We have the reality of their public statements by which to gauge their behavior.


I don't buy in to the theory that we can't hold people accountable for their behavior and that just because somebody owns a gun we should overlook their behavior. Gun owners aren't always "the good guy" nor are they always worth rallying around. I counter your everybody should be able to do everything because nobody can judge anybody sentiment with:

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ChipotleBoys.jpg





There has to be degree of specificity to those statements and acts and behaviors to ascertain a departure into realm of excess, the latter being what I see as LARPing. Accountability is a different subject, as are two armed guys in Starbucks who went there because "2A activism", not because it was their threat level assessment decision.

Defining the excess, whether material ownership, investment in training, public posturing etc, is an iffy proposition. 2/3 of this country doesn't think owning any firearm is needed to live normal lives. To them our public statements and behavior, expressed through AR ownership, are LARPing and whatever else they call it, yet we don't give a damn. Outside of issues of responsible and safe ownership, I would be very careful in defining "normalcy" parameters which is what seemingly needed for this whole LARP discussion to occur.



There is a difference between telling you that I think you’re full of shit when you say you “need” a suppressed AR, 47,000 hours of gun camp, a plate carrier, and the latest and greatest of ammo selections to repel... whoever the fuck you think is breaking in to your house, and the government telling you that you CAN’T own that thing.


By the same token, I don't see a problem telling anyone they're full of shit when they say the "need" any AR repel whoever. Pistols would suffice. I bet that for 90%+ of p-f members who have ARs, those boomsticks aren't readily accessible without going through the safe lock combo. Where do we draw "full of shit" line then?

[Cory]

I can see that distinction. My question would be why do they think they are qualified to offer advice in the first place? I think that sort of self-delusion is very much a form of LARPing in the context of this thread. They *imagine* they are the sort of person who's qualified to offer advice in this arena, they present it as such to others, assuming that role, but they aren't qualified any more then I can cast a fireball.

I think people imagining they are qualified and then giving bad advice isn't as frequent as those who never even pause to consider if they are qualified.

I think when you go from playing pretend, to actually believing... you've crossed a distinct line from LARP to actual cognitive problems. I'm not sure what the DSM would call it, but I'm sure it has a name. Perhaps that is still considered a normal part of LARPing by society and I'm just unaware of it.

Suprisingly interesting thread.

-Cory

[BehindBlueI's]

There has to be degree of specificity to those statements and acts and behaviors to ascertain a departure into realm of excess, the latter being what I see as LARPing.

I understand this is going to sound snarky in text, but I promise it's not intended that way. Can you rephrase this, as I am not really grasping what you're saying here.

As far as accessibility of a long gun, I don't know what 90% of PF has to do but for me it depends on time and location and current threat level. Right now I can access an AR by taking maybe 15 steps. If I leave the house it's secured. There was a time when I was receiving death threats the department considered credible enough to send detectives to talk to folks and to offer me a pole cam that it was closer.

[BehindBlueI's]

I think people imagining they are qualified and then giving bad advice isn't as frequent as those who never even pause to consider if they are qualified.


I think that's likely a distinction without a difference for this context, personally, but again can see that viewpoint.

[YVK]

I understand this is going to sound snarky in text, but I promise it's not intended that way. Can you rephrase this, as I am not really grasping what you're saying here.



It didn't come as snarky at all. I understand LARPing as an excessive, disproportionate (in the case of firearms, disproportionate to the degree of risk or a threat) behavior. I am struggling with people's position to define what excessive means for others. With an exception of some grotesque behavior which I may have observed just once in my life, I am asking for some degree of specificity (accuracy) of defining what "excessive" means. For example, if one chooses an AR for HD, I don't believe that having it suppressed is LARPing at all. Etc.

[EPF]

I’m not trying to tear anyone down or divide anyone..


Of course that’s what you do. It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with LARPing or anything else. The topics of distain change but you never do. It’s simply that your have some sort of untreated personality disorder.

In fact you have a 20 year history of degrading others and dividing the best internet gun forums. You must hold some kind of record for the number of people who have good info to contribute that you have driven away from half a dozen internet communities. Retarding all of our development because of the voices in your head.

Your a smart guy with a lot of good knowledge to share but how many real SME’s have you and guys like you driven away from contributing here and elsewhere? I know at least half a dozen true SMEs you’ve never heard of who read only here because it’s not worth it.

A guy like me who might have a small bit to add to a specific discussion stays logged out and read only because it’s not worth posting in a thread knowing they are going to be called out or otherwise confronted by some guy like you or Mister X. For years whenever I browse the forum while stuck in an airport or something I have to get annoyed over and over again because otherwise good discussions are derailed by some version of you.

So again some basic facts. This doesn’t have a thing o do with LARP. Because between the two of us, your the one wearing elf ears.

I simply chose that LARP hill to stand on, and got the predictable result from you. But this issue is agnostic to subject. I also realize that I’m pissing in the wind. In fact I’m sitting here chuckling at how pointless it is to be the 10,000th guy waiting in line to say this to you. I must be really bored :)

So I will go back to being me, a guy who mostly reads without logging in. I will enjoy the posts of others and continue to support what is the last bastion of good internet gun forums. You will go back to being you. I know this because the last few posts of yours in this thread demonstrate that you either truly don’t understand yourself, although you think you do, or a more pathological response that I’m not qualified to diagnose.

The real question folks should ask themselves is what is the opportunity cost in receiving the good information you put out occasionally versus the greater loss of expertise across the forum?

Either way, I guess I’m done tilting internet windmills. You gave me a good laugh today when I needed it. :) Good luck being smarter than everyone on the internet in perpetuity!

[BehindBlueI's]

It didn't come as snarky at all. I understand LARPing as an excessive, disproportionate (in the case of firearms, disproportionate to the degree of risk or a threat) behavior.

Ah, then we may be approaching this from different angles. I have no issue with excess as I think you're defining it. You can have a gun collection that makes the dude in Tremors cry in jealousy and not be LARPing in my mind. If you like to wear plates and fifty mags at a weekend training session, no problem. Same if you want to dress up in buckskins, go by DeadEye Roy for a few hours as you shoot imaginary black-hatted villians, and then load up in your BMW and go home as the middle-aged retail manager that you actually are.

I'll agree with Rob on the matter that if you know you're just playing pretend, that's fine. It's no different in my mind then the weekend racing schools. I'd love to do that. I own a car that has capabilities greatly in excess of what I can reasonably use legally and well beyond my skill level to use illegally. I know I'm not a race car driver and never will be. I know I have fun playing with my car within the limits that both society and my ability allow. I know it'd be fun to run around the track like I was a legit racer for a weekend,. It's when I start pretending, to myself or others, that I'm somebody worth listening to about racing that the line is crossed.

[peterb]

Ah, then we may be approaching this from different angles. I have no issue with excess as I think you're defining it. You can have a gun collection that makes the dude in Tremors cry in jealousy and not be LARPing in my mind. If you like to wear plates and fifty mags at a weekend training session, no problem. Same if you want to dress up in buckskins, go by DeadEye Roy for a few hours as you shoot imaginary black-hatted villians, and then load up in your BMW and go home as the middle-aged retail manager that you actually are.

I'll agree with Rob on the matter that if you know you're just playing pretend, that's fine. It's no different in my mind then the weekend racing schools. I'd love to do that. I own a car that has capabilities greatly in excess of what I can reasonably use legally and well beyond my skill level to use illegally. I know I'm not a race car driver and never will be. I know I have fun playing with my car within the limits that both society and my ability allow. I know it'd be fun to run around the track like I was a legit racer for a weekend,. It's when I start pretending, to myself or others, that I'm somebody worth listening to about racing that the line is crossed.

Exactly. If I go to adult fantasy gun camp and get to pretend to be a member of Otter Team 666 for the weekend, there's no problem as long as I don't start taking myself too seriously. If I think that being reminded about not shooting my own foot off and watching a flashbang demo makes me operationally operational, I do have a problem.

[fatdog]

I get people enjoy all of the "fantasy camp" schools and many "carbine" classes. Many who attend no doubt learn their guns, learn better safety, and improve their marksmanship, gun handling, etc. from the reputable teachers. The well run classes as entertainment hold no harm I can see.

The only LARPish schools that I have ever scorned are the live fire fantasy camps purported to be preparing people for some "dynamic events", that at the same time throw most conventions about firearms training safety to the wind. A lot the Yeager "contractor" stuff comes to mind, plus certainly the idiots who stand down range or have students stand down range during live fire.

That crap is truly stupid and dangerous. I am surprised at how many of those enterprises have continued to operate.

As for all the variants of the open carry crowd and the "shoot me first" variants we see, some of whom are LARP's for certain. I am reminded that there are only two commodities that criminals can sell for more than the fair market value of the item in legal trade. One is prescription drugs, the other are firearms.

Their OC gun may indeed be worthy of a socket wrench to the back of the head by some tweaker. Sorta like wearing a pork chop around your neck in the dog park. The OC people have told themselves a story, LARP or not, and I find no point arguing with any of them.

[UNK]

No. Owning a single action Colt isn't LARPing either.

Playing dress up and pretending to be something you aren't is LARPing, regardless of if that's as an old timey cowboy or Beardy McOperator.

So...cosplay is larping? 😁
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[Trooper224]

So...cosplay is larping? 😁
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Yes, but observing it is a guilty pleasure.

[orionz06]

I think there are three main points to this “discussion”

1. Historically you are the one who uses that term on this forum as a pejorative. Sometimes you act like the self appointed arbiter of what is real and acceptable.
2. I’m sorry that having your hypocrisy gently and playfully thrown back at you has upset you and caused you to start this thread. I understand that it’s pollution when someone other than you does it.
3. Let’s not go down this path. We can go back to enjoying each other’s contributions and I will knock it off.

No, Rob isn't on his own, at least in this world, in using larping as an insult.

[BehindBlueI's]

So...cosplay is larping? 😁


Further study might be required. Not that I'm encouraging your shenanigans. I'm definitely not encouraging shenanigans of any sort, and particularly not yours. Particularly.

[Casual Friday]

There seems to be about 27 different interpretations of LARPing floating around in here and most of the time it boils down to "if you do something above and beyond what I do, you're a LARPer. If you do something less than I do, you're unprepared and inadequately trained"

[peterb]

So...cosplay is larping? 😁

For most folks, probably not. They know the difference between their character and their real abilities.

Some folks who are *really* into their characters will seek out real-life training for their character's skills, which is cool. I'll bet most of them still know the difference between fantasy and reality.

[peterb]

There seems to be about 27 different interpretations of LARPing floating around in here and most of the time it boils down to "if you do something above and beyond what I do, you're a LARPer. If you do something less than I do, you're unprepared and inadequately trained"

I think it's more like "Your equipment and/or claimed expertise is way out of line with any objective measurement of your skills and needs." Again, this excludes people who buy range toys and cool stuff knowing full well that it doesn't automatically make them a badass.

[Casual Friday]

I think it's more like "Your equipment and/or claimed expertise is way out of line with any objective measurement of your skills and needs." Again, this excludes people who buy range toys and cool stuff knowing full well that it doesn't automatically make them a badass.

Make that 28.

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Further study might be required. Not that I'm encouraging your shenanigans. I'm definitely not encouraging shenanigans of any sort, and particularly not yours. Particularly.

Well personally Id rather observe the attributes of well equipped cosplay participants than debate the definition of larping but i will defer.

[OlongJohnson]

Pretty sure my reading of this thread didn't get off the first page, but I figured it's a good place for this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EQQnkUGIk

[MistWolf]

For me, LARP means pretend. Pretending or imagining your some cool .mil guy in your head is LARP. Pretending that react to contact mounted with 1 of your 4 vics disabled is applicable to your life as a civilian headed for groceries is LARP. Neither one really impacts others, so it's dumb but I don't care.

Plenty of LARPers are derpy... but I dont think the LARP is the real problem there. It's a derp problem. If those folks actually had an understanding, or knew that there was stuff they don't know that they don't know... the problem would be solved.

-Cory

Cory, you hit the nail on the head. Playing a role in force on force training is live action role playing. Going full contact inn armor and rattan weapons in the personae of Lord or Lady Bringer of Lamentations is live action role playing. Throwing down on the table top with a lance of 'mechs to crush your best friends into smoking piles of melted armor and exploding ordnance is role playing.

When I was a kid chasing jackrabbits with my single shot .22, I was the Great Hunter stalking the savannahs to bring down a dangerous man-eater before it could make its next kill. When our trainer set me up in front of seven pepper poppers simulating a real life shooting incident at a McDonald's, I was the poor fool who was about to get gunned downed for a complete lack of situational awareness. When I am Don Quixote and my wife Dulcinea-

Ahem...

Anyway, the problem isn't role playing. It is, as you say, the derptitude.

[SecondsCount]

Pretty sure my reading of this thread didn't get off the first page, but I figured it's a good place for this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EQQnkUGIk
Han Solo wishes he could shoot that good :cool:

[Lester Polfus]

Pretty sure my reading of this thread didn't get off the first page, but I figured it's a good place for this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EQQnkUGIk

Well shit.

Now I know where my stimulus check is going...

[Baldanders]

Well personally Id rather observe the attributes of well equipped cosplay participants than debate the definition of larping but i will defer.

I wouldn't object to a photo-heavy thread...