LAW folder

[YVK]

I am gonna get a short setup with a brace, and GJM is advising me to consider a LAW folder. I preface with never seeing one in person. I looked at the videos etc and have two reservations. A smaller one is that if it somehow unlocks, the carbine is not operational, unlike side folder AK or SCAR etc. A bigger concern is that the BCG carrier needs that little extension which is simply pushed in and appears to be just a friction fit. If it were to fall out, gun's dead.

I welcome all personal experiences and comments in this regard. I especially welcome any info if this unit has been appropriately tested and accepted (or rejected) by any professional entities.

[STI]

I am gonna get a short setup with a brace, and GJM is advising me to consider a LAW folder. I preface with never seeing one in person. I looked at the videos etc and have two reservations. A smaller one is that if it somehow unlocks, the carbine is not operational, unlike side folder AK or SCAR etc. A bigger concern is that the BCG carrier needs that little extension which is simply pushed in and appears to be just a friction fit. If it were to fall out, gun's dead.

I welcome all personal experiences and comments in this regard. I especially welcome any info if this unit has been appropriately tested and accepted (or rejected) by any professional entities.

It won’t somehow unlock. The lock button isn’t that big, the travel and effort are large enough that it’s quite deliberate.

Even unlocked it can be fired once, it’s just that the BCG won’t reciprocate and hence it won’t reload until it’s folded open and the charging handle has been run.

If it does get fired that way, there’s a flat rubber ring near the end of that “extension” that takes the full force of the firing, and they say it will handle the wear a few times but it’s not exactly the intended wear scenario. Spinning the rubber ring to a different rotational location can help spread out the wear if that ends up being needed, or buy spares of the ring. Or don’t fire folded (the gist of it is they don’t want people thinking it’s some cool trick to fire the gun folded).

That “extension” has a friction fit O-ring into the tail end of the BCG. It’s a bitch to get in when new and even after coming in and out a few times, the extension gives no hint it would ever fall out. You have to pull and twist simultaneously to get mine out. The fit I can vouch for is with a Toolcraft BCG which is definitely “mil-spec” on tolerances and I believe an OEM for some big companies.

[WobblyPossum]

The latch on the Law is pretty sturdy and the button to release it and fold the stock over is small enough that you’d have to get pretty unlucky for something to bump it. I haven’t heard any reports about issues with the button being accidentally depressed. Your other concern is a non issue. While the little extension that goes into your carrier is friction fit, there is a metal piece that prevents your bolt from moving rearward with the stock folded. This metal piece prevents the bolt extension piece from falling out. In order to remove it you have to depress the button that lets you fold the stock.

[orionz06]

You won't regret it, very well built and your concerns aren't really issues.

[HCM]

You won't regret it, very well built and your concerns aren't really issues.

This ^^^.

The current LAW folder (Gen III) is completely de bugged. I’ve had one on my SOLGW pistol for three years with about 3k rounds on it, about 1/2 suppressed.

A side benefit of the LAW is it adds some length to the cycle of operation like the VLTOR A5 buffer system which help improve reliability.

[DpdG]

I just finished installing one on a braced 11.5" pistol- went together easy and like others have said it appears your concerns have been resolved with the design.

A couple things to be cautious of:
-There is some debate/data that the extra length of the LAW may create problems with length of pull for braced pistols. From what I was able to research (which was frankly slim) there might be some precedent that a LOP over 13.5" creates a SBR even if using an otherwise compliant pistol with a brace. Apparently this is based upon an ATF letter to one particular manufacturer and to my non-lawyer mind really sounds like a gray area. In an abundance of caution I filled the last detent hole on my buffer tube so my SBA3 could not exceed 13.5" LOP.
-Just a reminder the ATF changed how they measure OAL last year. The current standard is with the stock/brace folded. For most I doubt it matters, but if you were planning on building one of those "firearm" things with OAL over 26" and a brace, the LAW is probably not your jam...

[EPF]

Do any manufacturers produce either a complete pistol with a law installed or a complete lower with law installed?

[WobblyPossum]

Do any manufacturers produce either a complete pistol with a law installed or a complete lower with law installed?

Off the top of my head, Daniel Defense and SOLGW both do.

[vaglocker]

I just finished installing one on a braced 11.5" pistol- went together easy and like others have said it appears your concerns have been resolved with the design.

A couple things to be cautious of:
-There is some debate/data that the extra length of the LAW may create problems with length of pull for braced pistols. From what I was able to research (which was frankly slim) there might be some precedent that a LOP over 13.5" creates a SBR even if using an otherwise compliant pistol with a brace. Apparently this is based upon an ATF letter to one particular manufacturer and to my non-lawyer mind really sounds like a gray area. In an abundance of caution I filled the last detent hole on my buffer tube so my SBA3 could not exceed 13.5" LOP.
-Just a reminder the ATF changed how they measure OAL last year. The current standard is with the stock/brace folded. For most I doubt it matters, but if you were planning on building one of those "firearm" things with OAL over 26" and a brace, the LAW is probably not your jam...

If i remember correctly the length issue doesn't have to do with it making it an SBR, but has more to do with whether or not you can put a vertical fore grip on the gun. I believe some states have a limit on the length of a "pistol" , but if it exceeds a certain length then a fore grip may or may not be ok on a braced weapon depending on how the length is measured according to ATF.

[ranger]

I installed two LAW folders recently and I am pleased with them. They serve the purpose of reducing length folded very well.

[John Hearne]

The Gen 3 Law Folder remains the gold standard. Per reasonable internet resources, it's the only one that is used and vetted by real world user. The only caution I'd add is to consider the mass the bolt carrier extension adds. It seems equivalent to a bump in buffer weight. So if you want to run your gun as an H2, I'd run an H1 buffer to compensate for the extra weight.

[TGS]

I am gonna get a short setup with a brace, and GJM is advising me to consider a LAW folder. I preface with never seeing one in person. I looked at the videos etc and have two reservations. A smaller one is that if it somehow unlocks, the carbine is not operational, unlike side folder AK or SCAR etc. A bigger concern is that the BCG carrier needs that little extension which is simply pushed in and appears to be just a friction fit. If it were to fall out, gun's dead.

I welcome all personal experiences and comments in this regard. I especially welcome any info if this unit has been appropriately tested and accepted (or rejected) by any professional entities.

In addition to the mechanism capturing the BCG extension when folded as already mentioned, keep in mind that it is sandwiched between the buffer and BCG when in operation.....so it's not like it can come loose during operation and fall out, jamming up the system. It's always in butt-to-nut contact.

Gen III LAW folders are in use with both FBI HRT and DSS MSD, if that makes you feel any better.

[Grey]

Disregard, was mistaken.

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[Rex G]

Do any manufacturers produce either a complete pistol with a law installed or a complete lower with law installed?

One is Daniel Defense, the DDM4V7P. Your choice of 300 AAC or 5.56. With SB Tactical Brace.

Mine is 300 AAC, with an older version of the brace than the current one.

[LittleLebowski]

In addition to the mechanism capturing the BCG extension when folded as already mentioned, keep in mind that it is sandwiched between the buffer and BCG when in operation.....so it's not like it can come loose during operation and fall out, jamming up the system. It's always in butt-to-nut contact.

Gen III LAW folders are in use with both FBI HRT and DSS MSD, if that makes you feel any better.

Interesting. I might have one on the way...

https://www.primaryarms.com/law-tactical-ar-folding-stock-adapter-gen-3-m-for-ar15-and-ar308

[ccmdfd]

Off the top of my head, Daniel Defense and SOLGW both do.

I got a MK 18 pistol which came with the LAW folder. I always assumed it came from the factory that way, but I guess it's possible my dealer installed it.

John Lovell from the WPS thread runs them. In one of his videos he states he's only seen one malfunction, and the gun was still functioning, just running slower.

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[TGS]

It adds quite a bit of weight to the rear and will change the balance dramatically, FWIW. Your gun will be extremely light in the front if you've got a skinny 10" barrel and KMR. With my 10" barrel, DDM4 rail and WML, it balances out very nicely, and will keep it from becoming super front heavy when I put my Turbo K on it.

[ranger]

It adds quite a bit of weight to the rear and will change the balance dramatically, FWIW. Your gun will be extremely light in the front if you've got a skinny 10" barrel and KMR. With my 10" barrel, DDM4 rail and WML, it balances out very nicely, and will keep it from becoming super front heavy when I put my Turbo K on it.

Agreed. It has a weight impact plus it adds some length. In my case, I used the "fixed" Magpul carbine stock and that plus LAW was just right for me and I do not have any carbine stock "wobble".

[YVK]

Cool, thanks everyone, seems like a vetted product.





https://www.primaryarms.com/law-tactical-ar-folding-stock-adapter-gen-3-m-for-ar15-and-ar308


Is this is the best price around?

[LittleLebowski]

Cool, thanks everyone, seems like a vetted product. Is this is the best price around?

I'm not sure, I've got a guy from LAW swinging in on this thread, sooner or later. You'll recognize his name :cool:

[Chance]

A bigger concern is that the BCG carrier needs that little extension which is simply pushed in and appears to be just a friction fit. If it were to fall out, gun's dead.


As other - more qualified - folks have mentioned, the BCG extension isn't just sitting there, it's held in place by the locking mechanism. First picture is with the lock closed, second is with the button depressed and the lock opened.

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[shane45]

I'm not sure, I've got a guy from LAW swinging in on this thread, sooner or later. You'll recognize his name :cool:

Group buy! :D

[OlongJohnson]

Is this is the best price around?

Seems to be pretty competitive at the moment:

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/728795099312



Group buy! :D

That would be cool.

[Beat Trash]

Other than the weight (10.5 oz) is there any downside to putting one on your gun?

Over the last couple of days, I’ve been kicking around the idea of adding one to a DDV7 pistol that I have. Which made the timing of this topic interesting for me personally.

[TGS]

Is this is the best price around?

Well, be way cooler if you bought from a P-F.com affiliate...

:)


Other than the weight (10.5 oz) is there any downside to putting one on your gun?

Over the last couple of days, I’ve been kicking around the idea of adding one to a DDV7 pistol that I have. Which made the timing of this topic interesting for me personally.

the hinge sticks out pretty far on the left, and depending on how you grasp the charging handle (if right handed, and using left left hand for manipulations), you can rap your knuckles on the hinge.

If you're one of those people who do that retarded mall ninja knife-hands palm smack on the charging handle to charge the weapon instead of acting like a normal human, that won't work with the LAW as it will stop your hand.

[Casual Friday]

Cool, thanks everyone, seems like a vetted product.





Is this is the best price around?

It's $249.99 from Brownells and there's probably a free shipping code out there floating around if you're not an Edge member.

[Grey]

LittleLebowski get us a group buy with some funds kicked to PF. Ill pay full retail if it helps out PF.

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[WobblyPossum]

Is this is the best price around?
They’re available at Brownell’s for $250 and there are codes for an additional $15 off (TAG or SAE) so you could save $5 off the Primary Arms price. Plus you can get whatever cash back percentage (4%?) Active Junky is running right now if you use their portal to get to Brownell’s.

If you’re willing to wait until all the craziness is over and the prices of all things gun related go back to normal, Brownell’s usually drops them down to $225-230 during holiday sales and usually has $20 off codes running. I think I got mine for $205+shipping during the last big holiday prior to the coronapocalypse. Sadly I forgot to go through Active Junky.

[Beat Trash]

TSG, does the hinge interfere with manipulating the safety?

[Casual Friday]

Other than the weight (10.5 oz) is there any downside to putting one on your gun?

Over the last couple of days, I’ve been kicking around the idea of adding one to a DDV7 pistol that I have. Which made the timing of this topic interesting for me personally.

Not with the gen 3 as far as I'm concerned. There were people that reported the original mechanisms, which were aluminum and not steel like the gen 3, got sloppy after being folded and unfolded many times over a period of time, but I can't recall seeing any such complaints with the gen 3. Mine is a couple years old and appears to lock up just as tight as it did when it was new.

[KevinB]

TSG, does the hinge interfere with manipulating the safety?

No it doesn't.

For reference.

https://i.imgur.com/3CMk350.jpg

FWIW the Gen 3M also has a NSN 1005 01 673 4614.

[Rick R]

I am suffering from waiters remorse, I saw these at a show a couple years ago for just over $200 and waited. Then Brownell’s had them last month for $225 and I waited. Now due to the PDW thread I’ve decided that my 10.5” pistol needs one.

As a question, are the braces on the DD or SOLGW or anyone else's factory pistol modified to shorten the LOP? From what I understand that 13.5” magic length results from one ATF employee’s verbal conversation about when a “brace” is too long and becomes a “stock”. It would be telling to know what the manufacturers did.

Count me in on a group buy, unless my CC crawls out of my wallet and has relations my laptop beforehand.

[Beat Trash]

Thanks for everyone’s response to my questions. I appreciate it.

I think I’m sold on the concept.

[ASH556]

paging karmapolice

[Rex G]

One factor, to keep in mind, is that the part of the LAW device, on the weapon side of the hinge, itself, adds some length, and, of course, the overall package is substantially wider, when the unit is folded. Think of it as doubling the weapon’s overall width, while only subtracting a few inches in overall length. One should be sure that one’s storage/concealment requirements make the whole equation worth it.

When I hold my DDM4V7P next to my 16” BCM Lightweight Middy, the latter with its stock collapsed, I wonder whether a LAW folder on a 16”+ weapon would be worth it.

If one has visions of slinging a a weapon, with the LAW folded, under a trench coat, well, better order that trench coat tailored extra-extra-full-volume.

To be clear, I am not arguing against the LAW folder! Mine has seen little actual use, but it seems very well-made.

[karmapolice]

paging karmapolice

The LAW folder is indeed the gold standard and an enhancer to the AR platform. The weight added is balanced at the receiver which is fine (no free lunch), it is extremely solid and I use mine on my work rifle. There are no issues running the safety or charging handle etc. If there are any specif questions I will be glad to answer from an end user perspective.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92150930_850869668752018_4618705639961526272_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=e6yIydWanGIAX-QPL0a&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=2da702b383e21fb1fe024b602c40a2ee&oe=5EB6E964

[KevinB]

LE/MIL Personnel can order direct from LAW, at a better price than Brownells.
For non government personnel, our distributor agreement with Brownells does not allow us to sell them separately, we can only sell to Government, and OEM Manufacturers.
I'd love to help LLB setup a group buy - but I don't see how to be able to do it at this point.

Besides - something neat it coming down the pipe - that would be a better group buy ;)

[YVK]

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Besides - something neat it coming down the pipe - that would be a better group buy ;)

Without spilling the beans, would someone interested in the LAW folder be better off waiting for something neat? I am totally under no time constraint.

[WobblyPossum]

Besides - something neat it coming down the pipe - that would be a better group buy

Would that something happen to be the bolt carrier that would allow an AR to function with the stock/brace folded over?

[LittleLebowski]

LittleLebowski get us a group buy with some funds kicked to PF. Ill pay full retail if it helps out PF.


Working on it.

FYI, PF is also a Primary Arms affiliate and I believe that PA has a veterans discount.

[EPF]

Working on it.

FYI, PF is also a Primary Arms affiliate and I believe that PA has a veterans discount.

Dumb question, how do I ensure that PF is credited when I purchase from PA?

[LittleLebowski]

Dumb question, how do I ensure that PF is credited when I purchase from PA?

Just added it up top, thanks for reminding me, and I appreciate the support.

[HeavyDuty]

Would that something happen to be the bolt carrier that would allow an AR to function with the stock/brace folded over?

*shiver*

[KevinB]

Would that something happen to be the bolt carrier that would allow an AR to function with the stock/brace folded over?

You know it ;)

[Grey]

You know it ;)

Oh snap the ARIC is coming! Excited to see that coming to market soon :D

[KevinB]

Oh snap the ARIC is coming! Excited to see that coming to market soon :D

Yeah it should have been out at SHOT, but we had a coating issue with the first two production runs :(
I'm going to link up with LLB in the next week or so to get him one to play with.

[LittleLebowski]

Yeah it should have been out at SHOT, but we had a coating issue with the first two production runs :(
I'm going to link up with LLB in the next week or so to get him one to play with.

I know where you live :D

[LittleLebowski]

Working on it.

FYI, PF is also a Primary Arms affiliate and I believe that PA has a veterans discount.

https://www.primaryarms.com/military-and-le-pricing

[WobblyPossum]

Yeah it should have been out at SHOT, but we had a coating issue with the first two production runs :(
I'm going to link up with LLB in the next week or so to get him one to play with.

Woah. I might have to start saving money for this group buy then. Cool.

[Wake27]

https://www.primaryarms.com/military-and-le-pricing

They have a fantastic mil discount. If not for the stupid state taxes that other websites somehow don’t charge me for, they’d have the best prices on a lot of stuff with that discount.


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[texasaggie2005]

...If not for the stupid state taxes...

I hate the fact I live less than an hour away from them. Most of the time it's cheaper for me to order from Brownells and wait. But I still spend a shitton with them. Hell, they know my wife since she goes in there to pickup my non-FFL orders.

But on topic, I really need to get a folder for my Geissele pistol. It's on my list.

[DMF13]

-Just a reminder the ATF changed how they measure OAL last year. The current standard is with the stock/brace folded. For most I doubt it matters, but if you were planning on building one of those "firearm" things with OAL over 26" and a brace, the LAW is probably not your jam...Not exactly. With weapons designed to fired from the shoulder (rifles and shotguns), overall length is.still.measured with the shoulder stock fully extended. With pistols that have a folding "brace" the measurement is done with the brace folded. I don't believe that was a change, as I'm not aware of a prior ruling from ATF on measuring the overall length of a pistol equipped with a folding brace. As far as I know people merely assumed a pistol brace would be treated the same as a shoulder stock for a rifle or shotgun.

[DMF13]

They have a fantastic mil discount. If not for the stupid state taxes that other websites somehow don’t charge me for, they’d have the best prices on a lot of stuff with that discount.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkColorado, like most states, has a use tax, which is equivalent to sales tax. So, if the retailer doesn't collect the tax you are still required to pay it:
https://colorado.gov/pacific/tax/usetax

Further, after the US Supreme Court ruling in Direct Marketing Assoc. v. Brohl, out of state retailers are required by Colorado law to report your purchases to the State of Colorado. Meaning if you aren't paying the use tax, enforcement is getting much easier for the State of Colorado.

[Le Français]

They have a fantastic mil discount. If not for the stupid state taxes that other websites somehow don’t charge me for, they’d have the best prices on a lot of stuff with that discount.



Colorado, like most states, has a use tax, which is equivalent to sales tax. So, if the retailer doesn't collect the tax you are still required to pay it:
https://colorado.gov/pacific/tax/usetax

Further, after the US Supreme Court ruling in Direct Marketing Assoc. v. Brohl, out of state retailers are required by Colorado law to report your purchases to the State of Colorado. Meaning if you aren't paying the use tax, enforcement is getting much easier for the State of Colorado.

And, your next SF-86 has a section for failing to pay taxes. Better to dot the Is and cross the Ts, if you ask me.

[SeriousStudent]

Nice to see you again, Kevin! I hope you and yours are safe and well.

I'm definitely looking forward to sending your company some more money. :cool: I have a LAW folder on my traveling AR pistol, and it works perfectly in its intended role.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m wondering if we will see a new version folder from LAW that leverages the new bolt carrier that is in development. I like LAW’s take on the hinge and lock more than other AR folder options I’ve seen.

[OlongJohnson]

Yeah. Something from the hinge back that was slimmer so you didn't have the whole thickness of the RE plus whatever was attached to it when it's folded. Seems like the cleanest solution would be a flattish folder similar to the MPX stuff in place of the swinging section (phrasing?) of the folder system, but I can see the point of something that would adapt to the rear part of the standard folder for those who already have one or want to have flexibility in their setup.

[DpdG]

If no buffer assembly is required, why not use a KNS adaptor and either MCX or PSA/triangle style pic mounted stock/brace? That’s basically what a number of BRN-180 users are doing. This avoids the bulk and length of the LAW hinge.

[HeavyDuty]

If no buffer assembly is required, why not use a KNS adaptor and either MCX or PSA/triangle style pic mounted stock/brace? That’s basically what a number of BRN-180 users are doing. This avoids the bulk and length of the LAW hinge.

My point was that I’d like to see LAW’s take on a folder for this. I like their engineering, and they are a stand-up company I’d like to support.

[KevinB]

Nice to see you again, Kevin! I hope you and yours are safe and well.

I'm definitely looking forward to sending your company some more money. :cool: I have a LAW folder on my traveling AR pistol, and it works perfectly in its intended role.
Thx, I went on internet hiatus during ARIC development and the subsequent release delays we had.





I’m wondering if we will see a new version folder from LAW that leverages the new bolt carrier that is in development. I like LAW’s take on the hinge and lock more than other AR folder options I’ve seen.


Yeah. Something from the hinge back that was slimmer so you didn't have the whole thickness of the RE plus whatever was attached to it when it's folded. Seems like the cleanest solution would be a flattish folder similar to the MPX stuff in place of the swinging section (phrasing?) of the folder system, but I can see the point of something that would adapt to the rear part of the standard folder for those who already have one or want to have flexibility in their setup.


If no buffer assembly is required, why not use a KNS adaptor and either MCX or PSA/triangle style pic mounted stock/brace? That’s basically what a number of BRN-180 users are doing. This avoids the bulk and length of the LAW hinge.

There are number of ARIC follow on setups we are playing with - but the main goal was with the NSN and folder adoption to offer a drop in setup for those already with folders.

While you don't need the tube etc behind - you can't get enough cycle room just at the lower receiver - so we engineering ARIC with the OAL of the folder in mind -- subsequent adaptors need to account for that.
https://i.imgur.com/B6GhNx6.jpg
If you see the end cup that extends from the folder above - you see why a simple rear plate doesn't work -- as well to retain a no tool take down method - you can't put a full 1913 rail over it - as you then lose the ability to disassemble.
We have several solutions that are being worked on, that will allow for a number of different stock/brace options that should hopefully make most folks happy.

[RevolverRob]

Just gonna throw it out there that Law folding adapters are on sale at Brownells as part of the 'Stimulus Sale' - https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/bapid=766/ClientPage/stimulus-sale-2020

[kwb377]

How many people really need to shoot with the stock folded?

The guy slinging rounds while firing with his folded rifle will most likely get smoked by the guy that takes the extra half-second to unfold his rifle and take aimed shots.

[Casual Friday]

Oh that third hole tho...





Thx, I went on internet hiatus during ARIC development and the subsequent release delays we had.










There are number of ARIC follow on setups we are playing with - but the main goal was with the NSN and folder adoption to offer a drop in setup for those already with folders.

While you don't need the tube etc behind - you can't get enough cycle room just at the lower receiver - so we engineering ARIC with the OAL of the folder in mind -- subsequent adaptors need to account for that.
https://i.imgur.com/B6GhNx6.jpg
If you see the end cup that extends from the folder above - you see why a simple rear plate doesn't work -- as well to retain a no tool take down method - you can't put a full 1913 rail over it - as you then lose the ability to disassemble.
We have several solutions that are being worked on, that will allow for a number of different stock/brace options that should hopefully make most folks happy.

[StraitR]

Oh that third hole tho...

I literally can't think of a time when Kevin didn't have all the cool toys.

[Paul D]

Will this ARIC be engineered so that it can be used with existing LAW folders? If not, I'll wait until it comes out with its proprietary folding device.




Thx, I went on internet hiatus during ARIC development and the subsequent release delays we had.










There are number of ARIC follow on setups we are playing with - but the main goal was with the NSN and folder adoption to offer a drop in setup for those already with folders.

While you don't need the tube etc behind - you can't get enough cycle room just at the lower receiver - so we engineering ARIC with the OAL of the folder in mind -- subsequent adaptors need to account for that.
https://i.imgur.com/B6GhNx6.jpg
If you see the end cup that extends from the folder above - you see why a simple rear plate doesn't work -- as well to retain a no tool take down method - you can't put a full 1913 rail over it - as you then lose the ability to disassemble.
We have several solutions that are being worked on, that will allow for a number of different stock/brace options that should hopefully make most folks happy.

[KevinB]

Will this ARIC be engineered so that it can be used with existing LAW folders? If not, I'll wait until it comes out with its proprietary folding device.

Works with all Gen of LAW folders -- the earlier Gen2 may need a replacement flange as that part was not toleranced as tightly as it is now.

As to El Cid's point - very very very few folks need to be able to fire a long gun with a folding stock folded -- the problem is so many folks think they need to, and many non M16FOW systems do it.

I can hit heads fairly easy out to 100m with the stock folded - but honestly the only viable option is really a contact distance when deploying the stock is either impossible - or you don't have time and need to shoot thru the bag or from under clothing presentation.

[HeavyDuty]

Works with all Gen of LAW folders -- the earlier Gen2 may need a replacement flange as that part was not toleranced as tightly as it is now.

As to El Cid's point - very very very few folks need to be able to fire a long gun with a folding stock folded -- the problem is so many folks think they need to, and many non M16FOW systems do it.

I can hit heads fairly easy out to 100m with the stock folded - but honestly the only viable option is really a contact distance when deploying the stock is either impossible - or you don't have time and need to shoot thru the bag or from under clothing presentation.

A “better to have it, and not need it” situation? I can understand how market pressure would be enough to want the capability.

[KevinB]

A “better to have it, and not need it” situation? I can understand how market pressure would be enough to want the capability.

Honestly when I worked at KAC, it was a common request from many DOD and USG organizations. Some who had clearly given it some thought, others who clearly had not.
Most folding system in service with various entities even if bagged, have unfold the stock as part of the unbagging, and shooting without shouldering is not considered - mainly due to liability.
The only setups being used "as is" underclothing are generally MP7's - at contact distances.

Last year we had a senior SOF element commander explain why he liked ARIC for M4's, which was something I hadn't previously thought of. Now he and his CSM articulated it very well, but it wouldn't apply to anyone CONUS, LE/GOV or CIV.
It was simply a space consideration for vehicle mounted personnel - using a MAWL, or LA-5 on Vis (daylight) or IR for low light - the lack of a stock allows a M4A1/URGI to be rotated, used and aimed in constrained positions, and still retaining a long barrel for general purpose usage.

Previously we had really only considered ARIC for the Mk18 and similar setups.

[rob_s]

Last year we had a senior SOF element commander explain why he liked ARIC for M4's, which was something I hadn't previously thought of. Now he and his CSM articulated it very well, but it wouldn't apply to anyone CONUS, LE/GOV or CIV.
It was simply a space consideration for vehicle mounted personnel - using a MAWL, or LA-5 on Vis (daylight) or IR for low light - the lack of a stock allows a M4A1/URGI to be rotated, used and aimed in constrained positions, and still retaining a long barrel for general purpose usage.

As I was reading through this thread that’s where my mind went. Lots of people go to short barrels to save on space but give up a theoretical functionality by doing so. If your could cut length off the other end instead...

And once you’ve shortened both ends, I could see a potential for needing or wanting to fire with the stock folded. Having a PDW close at hand in a vehicle, say a pretty-hurricane evacuation or even riding trails in a side-by-side I can think of scenarios where even point-shooting would be plausible from the driver’s seat. Not ideal, and yeah theoretically you’d have a pistol available too and that might be a better tool... but there certainly could be situations where the PDW with folded stock was the A-answer. In fact, I might be less inclined to compromise my pistol carry position when driving and instead rely on the PDW.

And yes, I’m willfully ignoring the floating firing pin debate. And no, I still don’t put the gun on safe when reloading, despite what patmac says ;)

[BehindBlueI's]

Let's keep memes in the meme thread and not clutter up technical posts.

[KevinB]

As I was reading through this thread that’s where my mind went. Lots of people go to short barrels to save on space but give up a theoretical functionality by doing so. If your could cut length off the other end instead...

And once you’ve shortened both ends, I could see a potential for needing or wanting to fire with the stock folded. Having a PDW close at hand in a vehicle, say a pretty-hurricane evacuation or even riding trails in a side-by-side I can think of scenarios where even point-shooting would be plausible from the driver’s seat. Not ideal, and yeah theoretically you’d have a pistol available too and that might be a better tool... but there certainly could be situations where the PDW with folded stock was the A-answer. In fact, I might be less inclined to compromise my pistol carry position when driving and instead rely on the PDW.

And yes, I’m willfully ignoring the floating firing pin debate. And no, I still don’t put the gun on safe when reloading, despite what patmac says ;)

Honestly - I was surprised how usable it was with the stock folded at close targets, not ideal - but,

I fired a 30rd mag from a Mk18 with the stock folded on auto in a mag dump -- it was interesting. Standing you can't really brace the recoil so it goes through arms into body and pushes unlike if you have the stock in.
However seated recoil management was much easier, and I found it easier to engage targets accurately with the stock folded than stock extended into a shoulder when in a moving vehicle.

[snow white]

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52157

Anyone else get all cut up on this razor sharp tab that guards the button. I believe it happens when I break my grip to safe the rifle with my thumb. I was doing allot of odd shooting positions today so that might have something to do with it.

[YVK]

In an abundance of caution I filled the last detent hole on my buffer tube so my SBA3 could not exceed 13.5" LOP.


So, how did you do it? I presume it should be at least semi-permanent, resistant to recoil, and flush. I should have all components to put together my folder by the end of next week, I never use the last hole anyway, therefore, I don't see any reason not to do it and then forget that LOP thing.

[WobblyPossum]

So, how did you do it? I presume it should be at least semi-permanent, resistant to recoil, and flush. I should have all components to put together my folder by the end of next week, I never use the last hole anyway, therefore, I don't see any reason not to do it and then forget that LOP thing.

I’m planning to JB weld the furthest hole in my receiver extension. Once cured, I think it meets all of your requirements.

[YVK]

I was thinking the same.

[DpdG]

So, how did you do it? I presume it should be at least semi-permanent, resistant to recoil, and flush. I should have all components to put together my folder by the end of next week, I never use the last hole anyway, therefore, I don't see any reason not to do it and then forget that LOP thing.

I’ll take a picture when I get off shift, but basically I put the extension in a vice, then used the pin from an old GI stock in the second to last position as a mold. Put JB weld in the last position and filled the track all the way to the pin. Once it dried I removed the pin and trimmed/sanded flash to fit. Honestly it took more effort to type out this description than to do.

[DpdG]

Here is the finished buffer tube:52764

[YVK]

Cool, thanks.

In a process of researching the subject I found this

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/lopl-length-of-pull-limiter/

[DpdG]

That’s what I wanted to use, but unfortunately I couldn’t find them anywhere so fabricobble it was...

[Xhado]

For those with access to 3D printers.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3887345

[Joshmill]

Anyone else get all cut up on this razor sharp tab that guards the button. I believe it happens when I break my grip to safe the rifle with my thumb. I was doing allot of odd shooting positions today so that might have something to do with it.

Come to think of it I only shot mine once with the folder and I got all cut up too. Since I might be able to find the time I'll get it out of the safe and check it out.

[OlongJohnson]

For $250, it seems like the CNC ought to include a chamfer or something. Won't stop me from knocking the edge off that thing with a file, unless KevinB tells us they're going to rev it and take care of that.

[snow white]

For $250, it seems like the CNC ought to include a chamfer or something. Won't stop me from knocking the edge off that thing with a file, unless KevinB tells us they're going to rev it and take care of that.

Yeah I'm about to take that edge down myself.

[WobblyPossum]

Cool, thanks.

In a process of researching the subject I found this

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/lopl-length-of-pull-limiter/
Those look slick. I put my email down to be notified when they’re back in stock. I wonder if they need to be installed with some kind of super glue or epoxy to meet whatever the requirements are.

[GearFondler]

Those look slick. I put my email down to be notified when they’re back in stock. I wonder if they need to be installed with some kind of super glue or epoxy to meet whatever the requirements are.Since it's all based on an Opinion Letter, your guess is as good as anyone's... But epoxy certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.

[WobblyPossum]

Since it's all based on an Opinion Letter, your guess is as good as anyone's... But epoxy certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.

At this point I think we’re past just an opinion letter. A guy in Ohio was prosecuted for modifying a pistol brace which the US Attorney’s Office argued now had an LOP over 13.5”. The defendant was acquitted because the ATF examiner measured the LOP at a diagonal instead of parallel to the bore and a correct measurement resulted in a LOP just under 13.5”. I think we had a thread about the case last year.

[GearFondler]

At this point I think we’re past just an opinion letter. A guy in Ohio was prosecuted for modifying a pistol brace which the US Attorney’s Office argued now had an LOP over 13.5”. The defendant was acquitted because the ATF examiner measured the LOP at a diagonal instead of parallel to the bore and a correct measurement resulted in a LOP just under 13.5”. I think we had a thread about the case last year.I was more referring to whether or not the LOP limiter had to be a permanent fix or if a drop-in solution was good enough.

[WobblyPossum]

I was more referring to whether or not the LOP limiter had to be a permanent fix or if a drop-in solution was good enough.

Gotcha. I’d err on the side of permanent and epoxy it.

[DpdG]

At this point I think we’re past just an opinion letter. A guy in Ohio was prosecuted for modifying a pistol brace which the US Attorney’s Office argued now had an LOP over 13.5”. The defendant was acquitted because the ATF examiner measured the LOP at a diagonal instead of parallel to the bore and a correct measurement resulted in a LOP just under 13.5”. I think we had a thread about the case last year.

If I recall correctly the guy in question had also modified his brace by putting a rubber cane tip in the end of it, allegedly to “make it more easily shoulderable.” I think the crux of it was the ATF argued that between the longer length of pull and the cane tip, the person in question had demonstrated intent to use the brace as a shoulder stock, versus happening to allow the brace to touch his shoulder incidentally.

In typical fashion gun laws are anything but simple.

[YVK]

Those look slick. I put my email down to be notified when they’re back in stock. I wonder if they need to be installed with some kind of super glue or epoxy to meet whatever the requirements are.

I got the email and ordered some.

[WobblyPossum]

I got the email and ordered some.

Same. It looks like a very clean solution to this problem.

[msstate56]

I filled in the last hole on my RE with epoxy and I have a total lop of about 13.25” with SB brace and LAW folder.

[YVK]

The only caution I'd add is to consider the mass the bolt carrier extension adds. It seems equivalent to a bump in buffer weight. So if you want to run your gun as an H2, I'd run an H1 buffer to compensate for the extra weight.


This advice hasn't received any comments so I am going to bump it up and ask crowd's opinion. My PDWhatever is all put together, SR30/AAC lower with Law folder. KAC upper came with their own buffer, which is basically H2 at 4.7 oz. The Law bcg extension thingy is 2.2 oz. If we needed to adjust for extra weight, no heavy buffer would be needed at all.
Just wondering what you all are doing with them buffers.

[TGS]

This advice hasn't received any comments so I am going to bump it up and ask crowd's opinion. My PDWhatever is all put together, SR30/AAC lower with Law folder. KAC upper came with their own buffer, which is basically H2 at 4.7 oz. The Law bcg extension thingy is 2.2 oz. If we needed to adjust for extra weight, no heavy buffer would be needed at all.
Just wondering what you all are doing with them buffers.

I didn't bother to put a H2 in my Mk18 instead keeping it at an H buffer (which makes it just slightly heavier than an H2, if I recall correctly), but from reports along the interwebs I get the impression that most guns are forgiving enough that it doesn't make a difference.

Heck, you could probably put a 9mm buffer + LAW BCG extension in a legacy Bushmaster, RRA, or older DD and it'd function better. :p

[23JAZ]

Anyone know who has the Law Gen 3 folder in stock? I just looked at over a dozen places online and everyone is out of stock.

[DamonL]

They say they have it in stock at the time of this post and the price is good.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/215774

[23JAZ]

They say they have it in stock at the time of this post and the price is good.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/215774

Perfect! Just ordered. Thank you.

[23JAZ]

Thanks for the input @DamonL (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=4764). Put 500 rounds through it this afternoon after I installed the folder and it functioned flawlessly! OAL of 22” when folded. Now to find a backpack that won’t break the bank.
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[snow white]

Update on that sharp edge that has been cutting the top of my hand during safety manipulations. I took a file to it, no big deal just took it down a bit. I attended a rifle class recently and all I had was a small rub mark. I have a two day class in like three weeks so we will see after that if I need to take more material off.

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[DamonL]

Jay23 Looks good! I just checked and they are out of stock again. The Law adaptor is hard to find. Glad it worked out for you. Now let’s keep an eye out for the AR Internal Carrier (ARIC) so we can shoot with the stock folded.

[RAM Engineer]

I didn't bother to put a H2 in my Mk18 instead keeping it at an H buffer (which makes it just slightly heavier than an H2, if I recall correctly), but from reports along the interwebs I get the impression that most guns are forgiving enough that it doesn't make a difference.

Heck, you could probably put a 9mm buffer + LAW BCG extension in a legacy Bushmaster, RRA, or older DD and it'd function better. :p

Yeah, my Mk18 clone runs an H3 buffer as recommended by Ken Elmore at SAW. I wonder if the ARIC will work with it.

[23JAZ]

How do you guys that are using the Law adaptor fold up your sling when the stock is folded?

[karmapolice]

How do you guys that are using the Law adaptor fold up your sling when the stock is folded?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Hnp0k7zOWCnNVZoYXlakGJ0pwXuJFo_YieQBlHwvJTgXVWdyqD F124VFUzhhBXd416vG9JBc3FX429BQXeMBArVkUbPYVQqI3FTp gykDz-xNAI3GCzuAr5_C_EqYxYo75yLNeU1WxcvaEBKpXGiIomBIj4mb Hz48T8XWAWzUyo8y-DCuXTgw__uNPSt1hgBraP_lfxauWwDhumVuNgd_8a5ZP4hXKSn UeP55JpmoWHudoWON80svigjJyzm_1MR2yvkMU_4HRBBOkHIkM Le6qScjFzLAONQbdBYZWpTi_dprWQmGizHSXxXBToOuQ6i97Fd X99r7nii5NG4AUrBwEmtPPGmR5MGiOfm6eXYUtFtlQqvsnAIrH REL2RwQqBcnfnanbpj0nCi-JxSlyl2yRsAEy8197uxmoOhQb8HohdVgkSSZrHYvhoLM-2YBFDmgrFucUXj4NyBbGZPNYtIw_Ebp2RzdHJ4hTrWEXJvZ5HH 4t0J90yuiQkjUtgIKrRsYPvqjNp-HvfZaTQ06P9xidvdkuGKMMBC52MIJFQ6mELzbQCZHSgMbV8qKP ZZPoB2577ihDiDikFrxb0paRTxhBXLetB2kW10IqXJhYl_Pqlz Q6Az1-4D5r_Dav4YcJXGZQVY6hmj8RmfpoCO6SEbvd_C-cFCXo1c9yUHi4HryCElctbNjliHNDxNiSXSSAw=w1330-h1772-no?authuser=0

I stow my sling like this using a Condition Gray SRC on the stock ( I also have zip ties through the sling slots to keep it from moving). When I fold the stock the sling just folds with it and stays in place.

[JM Campbell]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Hnp0k7zOWCnNVZoYXlakGJ0pwXuJFo_YieQBlHwvJTgXVWdyqD F124VFUzhhBXd416vG9JBc3FX429BQXeMBArVkUbPYVQqI3FTp gykDz-xNAI3GCzuAr5_C_EqYxYo75yLNeU1WxcvaEBKpXGiIomBIj4mb Hz48T8XWAWzUyo8y-DCuXTgw__uNPSt1hgBraP_lfxauWwDhumVuNgd_8a5ZP4hXKSn UeP55JpmoWHudoWON80svigjJyzm_1MR2yvkMU_4HRBBOkHIkM Le6qScjFzLAONQbdBYZWpTi_dprWQmGizHSXxXBToOuQ6i97Fd X99r7nii5NG4AUrBwEmtPPGmR5MGiOfm6eXYUtFtlQqvsnAIrH REL2RwQqBcnfnanbpj0nCi-JxSlyl2yRsAEy8197uxmoOhQb8HohdVgkSSZrHYvhoLM-2YBFDmgrFucUXj4NyBbGZPNYtIw_Ebp2RzdHJ4hTrWEXJvZ5HH 4t0J90yuiQkjUtgIKrRsYPvqjNp-HvfZaTQ06P9xidvdkuGKMMBC52MIJFQ6mELzbQCZHSgMbV8qKP ZZPoB2577ihDiDikFrxb0paRTxhBXLetB2kW10IqXJhYl_Pqlz Q6Az1-4D5r_Dav4YcJXGZQVY6hmj8RmfpoCO6SEbvd_C-cFCXo1c9yUHi4HryCElctbNjliHNDxNiSXSSAw=w1330-h1772-no?authuser=0

I stow my sling like this using a Condition Gray SRC on the stock ( I also have zip ties through the sling slots to keep it from moving). When I fold the stock the sling just folds with it and stays in place.

Pic/link is broken for me (using Tapatalk), could you please repost.


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[Caballoflaco]

I still can’t find one in stock anywhere. Anybody have any leads?

[LittleLebowski]

Got mine two days ago, thanks to KevinB

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[karmapolice]

Pic/link is broken for me (using Tapatalk), could you please repost.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95460691_871417846697200_6835937031407796224_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=GplLYkT_cOkAX9Vo8pj&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=44ca8f6100ef3ca3ad6a392a348e2b6b&oe=5F0C98C4


Let me know if this works.

[23JAZ]

Pic/link is broken for me (using Tapatalk), could you please repost.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Pic is not showing up for some reason.

[JM Campbell]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95460691_871417846697200_6835937031407796224_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=GplLYkT_cOkAX9Vo8pj&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=44ca8f6100ef3ca3ad6a392a348e2b6b&oe=5F0C98C4


Let me know if this works.

Works now, thanks for the repost!


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[Grey]

Got mine two days ago, thanks to KevinB

55829

Is that a K can I spy? How quiet is it with the Vox K on there, with supers and subs?

[Norville]

I still can’t find one in stock anywhere. Anybody have any leads?


Brownells had some last week. No discount of course but there are codes out there.

[Caballoflaco]

Brownells had some last week. No discount of course but there are codes out there.

Guess I need to sign up for notifications, they were sold out Friday when I checked.

[Not HighSpeed]

I still can’t find one in stock anywhere. Anybody have any leads?

I just got mine in from Larue Tactical, if you're good with them.

[LittleLebowski]

Is that a K can I spy? How quiet is it with the Vox K on there, with supers and subs?

Yup. It’s got a little bark with subs compared to the Vox S, I haven’t tried supers yet. I’m pleased with it, it does what I need it to. No issues with function, despite the stock PSA gas block being on there.

[Welder]

I just got mine in from Larue Tactical, if you're good with them.

Alright, I've got a question about Larue's website(s).

If I go to www.larue.com, I don't find this adapter listed, at all.

Searching on google, I found this alternate larue website, www.laruepy.com, and I find the adapter.

Search p/n 727-001 on both sites and see for yourself.

What is laruepy.com? Is it a scam? Or?????? Because I'd like to order this folder, but I wouldn't like to toss my money in a fire.

[Not HighSpeed]

Alright, I've got a question about Larue's website(s).

If I go to www.larue.com, I don't find this adapter listed, at all.

Searching on google, I found this alternate larue website, www.laruepy.com, and I find the adapter.

Search p/n 727-001 on both sites and see for yourself.

What is laruepy.com? Is it a scam? Or?????? Because I'd like to order this folder, but I wouldn't like to toss my money in a fire.

I just checked larue.com and it wasn't on there anymore. Perhaps they pulled them because they're out? Wouldn't surprise me because they seem to be (among many other items), almost unobtanium at the momenet. I was able to add one to my cart and checkout per normal online purchases.

[Welder]

I just checked larue.com and it wasn't on there anymore. Perhaps they pulled them because they're out? Wouldn't surprise me because they seem to be (among many other items), almost unobtanium at the momenet. I was able to add one to my cart and checkout per normal online purchases.

OK thanks, that other website mirrors larue's almost exactly. If it's a scam, it's good enough that I almost bought that folder from it.

[OlongJohnson]

Larue PyongYang?

[GyroF-16]

I still can’t find one in stock anywhere. Anybody have any leads?

I was searching today, too.
Could have sworn that Brownells showed them available last week, but now they show backordered with an expected date in May (?).

So now I have one back ordered from them (using a $15 off coupon they emailed me). But no idea how long it’ll be.

So open to other sources while I wait.

[Casual Friday]

Alright, I've got a question about Larue's website(s).

If I go to www.larue.com, I don't find this adapter listed, at all.

Searching on google, I found this alternate larue website, www.laruepy.com, and I find the adapter.

Search p/n 727-001 on both sites and see for yourself.

What is laruepy.com? Is it a scam? Or?????? Because I'd like to order this folder, but I wouldn't like to toss my money in a fire.


I just checked larue.com and it wasn't on there anymore. Perhaps they pulled them because they're out? Wouldn't surprise me because they seem to be (among many other items), almost unobtanium at the momenet. I was able to add one to my cart and checkout per normal online purchases.

I called LaRue this morning and inquired about the website with "py" at the end of LaRue and they were unaware of it's existence. They pulled the Law Tactical folder from their website a few weeks ago due to them being unavailable right now to cut down on the number of calls they were getting about them. The guy I spoke to was gonna let their IT department know, but he said for sure not to order anything from that website.

[OlongJohnson]

Optics Planet shows in stock.

Use code SPRING15 for $15 off $150 or more through 6/30.

[5pins]

It looks like everyone and their brother had the same idea for a bag gun and now you can't find a LAW in-stock anywhere.

[OlongJohnson]

Optics Planet will take a back order and honor all the discounts available at the time it's placed. Just put your order in and wait. It took a month and a half, but I have a tracking number, and in the mean time, I wasn't wasting my time crawling the web looking for one in stock. OP is a stand-up place, based on all my experience with them.

[snow white]

Optics Planet shows in stock.

Use code SPRING15 for $15 off $150 or more through 6/30.

I Do not trust them. I cant tell you how many times somthing has been "in stock" at optics planet only for me to order it and it never show up.

[Casual Friday]

I Do not trust them. I cant tell you how many times somthing has been "in stock" at optics planet only for me to order it and it never show up.

You continued placing orders with a company after the first time they took your money and didn't deliver a product? Why would you do that?

I mean, they're known for taking their sweet time shipping orders and back ordering products listed as in stock, but I've never heard of them taking money and screwing the person over.

[snow white]

You continued placing orders with a company after the first time they took your money and didn't deliver a product? Why would you do that?

I mean, they're known for taking their sweet time shipping orders and back ordering products listed as in stock, but I've never heard of them taking money and screwing the person over.

I dont believe they have just taken my money. My wording could have been more spsific. I am in the throes of one of thier "in stock" item orders as we speak so I'm a bit sour on then at the moment.

[Norville]

They have a habit of listing “Availability “ in a green link and nor specifically stating a back order is what you’re getting. Do they actually charge your card immediately, or when it ships?

I’ve got one item on back order for several weeks, it’ll probably get here.

[GyroF-16]

I’m in the same boat... ordered from Optics Planet with the discount code and free shipping. With my state tax, about $242.
So I called Brownells to cancel my order there (for about $269). Was told I was just in time, as they were about to ship it.
Then the email from Optics Planet the next day saying it’s backordered. Grrrr.

If you’re desperate, Brownells still seems to have it for $269.99 plus shipping. So maybe $280-ish to your door.
Right now I’m thinking I’ll wait. It’s a pricey enough item. And the AR Pistol it’ll go on just arrived, so I have time to get used to it before adding the LAW.

For those who have done it, how involved is the LAW folder installation? I’ve never worked on an AR (pretty new to them), but if it’s a matter of buying a wrench and doing a little work, I’m game. Would a vise be required? Don’t have one of those.

[EricP]

Brownells has these in stock.

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=151465&pid=71553

Edit: Gyro beat me to it.

[shane45]

Guess I got lucky. Placed the order with the code. Says it will be here this thursday.

[STI]

It comes with the only specialized tool you need to install it. However if you don’t have a castle nut wrench for the buffer tube, you’ll need that to remove your stock/brace and then reinstall it after the folder is attached.

I’d say it’s beginner AR wrenching friendly

[Casual Friday]

I had a tracking number from Optics Planet the next day and it's set to arrive on Thursday, which will likely be Friday or Monday. Since COVID UPS has been a day or two late on delivery.

If you're a Brownells Edge member, their price is $259.99 plus tax with free two day shipping. This time around OP was cheaper than Brownells.

[pooty]

They have a habit of listing “Availability “ in a green link and nor specifically stating a back order is what you’re getting. Do they actually charge your card immediately, or when it ships?

I’ve got one item on back order for several weeks, it’ll probably get here.

My card was charged the night I ordered, OP website showed 'In Stock"

The email in the morning:


Qty 1: Law Tactical AR Folding Stock Adapter Gen 3-M, Black 99312
2A5-BSA-LTAFSA-99312 $239.99 No availability estimate


As long as it shows up before Oct-Nov, it's all good.

[theJanitor]

ordered mine through brownells yesterday

[GyroF-16]

My card was charged the night I ordered, OP website showed 'In Stock"

The email in the morning:


As long as it shows up before Oct-Nov, it's all good.

When I ordered mine from Optics Planet, at also showed “In Stock” (which is why I ordered).
Got the same email the next day.

My card was not charged, though. Charging for a backordered item in unsat.

[OlongJohnson]

In stock from a good shop, at a good price.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/99312

[Caballoflaco]

In stock from a good shop, at a good price.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/99312


https://youtu.be/o4ZeTdOjLUk

Luckily a forum member hooked me up with nib one a couple weeks ago, but damn everybody and they cousin wants a folding AR these days.

[Casual Friday]

but damn everybody and they cousin wants a folding AR these days.

When I bought my first one in 2017, a few people I know thought I was out of my mind for wanting the capability to carry an AR pistol in a backpack for special circumstances.

More than one of them has texted or messaged me in the last month or two asking where they can get "one of those folding bracket stock thingies".

[Norville]

When I bought my first one in 2017, a few people I know thought I was out of my mind for wanting the capability to carry an AR pistol in a backpack for special circumstances.

More than one of them has texted or messaged me in the last month or two asking where they can get "one of those folding bracket stock thingies".

Same here. Only one person at the time said “hmmm, a 10.5” fits in a pretty small pack....”

I think the first one was $220, less 10 percent with a coupon. The latest one, $259 less $15 coupon. Supply and demand!

[Casual Friday]

Same here. Only one person at the time said “hmmm, a 10.5” fits in a pretty small pack....”

I think the first one was $220, less 10 percent with a coupon. The latest one, $259 less $15 coupon. Supply and demand!

$199 shipped is what I paid for the first one I believe. Well worth the cost in my opinion. There are a lot of products that get labeled as "game changers" when they are released, few rarely are. The Law folder and pistol braces are two that come to mind.

On a lighter note, I was doing some research the other day to see if I could find anyone who had problems with the gen 3 folder that didn't result from improper installation or other user error. I found a thread on a derpy forum where a guy was recommending the $30 Wish folder, "because I can buy 8 or 10 of them for the cost of one real Law folder, if one breaks I'll just buy another and replace it". :confused:

[Beat Trash]

On a lighter note, I was doing some research the other day to see if I could find anyone who had problems with the gen 3 folder that didn't result from improper installation or other user error. I found a thread on a derpy forum where a guy was recommending the $30 Wish folder, "because I can buy 8 or 10 of them for the cost of one real Law folder, if one breaks I'll just buy another and replace it". :confused:

If you goal is to have something that you can pull out at family gatherings just to piss off the ultra liberal in-laws, then go fo the $30 option.

If you plan on actually shooting the thing, maybe not.

If you plan on ever using the gun to protect your life...? Nope!

[GyroF-16]

In stock from a good shop, at a good price.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/99312

And in stock again today... for about an hour.

Unfortunately, I saw the notification email 2 hrs after it was sent out. And they’re already out of stock again.

[theJanitor]

So now I need another. Who's got it in stock? :cool:

[SeriousStudent]

So now I need another. Who's got it in stock? :cool:

I will keep an eye out, and text you when I see one.

I did score one from Midwest Gun Works, but I literally saw the back in stock email and immediately clicked on the link to buy. I think that might be a good approach.

You may also want to backorder on Brownells.

Either way, I'll let you know as soon as I spot one.

[dontshakepandas]

So now I need another. Who's got it in stock? :cool:

I’ve got one coming from Brownells tomorrow that I decided I don’t need. I was planning on returning it, but if you’ll cover what I have in it I’d be happy to send it to you instead of back to them.

[theJanitor]

I’ve got one coming from Brownells tomorrow that I decided I don’t need. I was planning on returning it, but if you’ll cover what I have in it I’d be happy to send it to you instead of back to them.

Sending you a pm

[theJanitor]

I will keep an eye out, and text you when I see one.

I did score one from Midwest Gun Works, but I literally saw the back in stock email and immediately clicked on the link to buy. I think that might be a good approach.

You may also want to backorder on Brownells.

Either way, I'll let you know as soon as I spot one.

I just signed up for the email, after installing the one that brownells delivered today. Maybe I can intercept dsp’s one ^

[theJanitor]

I can't see karmapolice's pic of a secured sling, while the stock is folded. Anyone else has pics of a folded stock and a secured sling?

I'm thinking this rifle might be a candidate for one of those 2-1 convertible slings, mounted to the LAW unit, and tied to the starboard side of the stock.

[Not HighSpeed]

Took my 11.5" out this weekend to shoot/test/verify it with different buffer weights as had been talked about here since I added the LAW folder.

For specs:

11.5" (all)BCM upper
PSA lower with cmmg lpk
Larue MBT-2S trigger
VLTOR/A5 RE with mil rifle spring and SBA3
H2 and H3 buffers.



It shot pretty much how I expected it to with the H2 considering the barrel length and to check/gauge the reliability of the buffer/Folder combination. I tried the H3 and she shot so smooth I thought I was shooting an airsoft rifle. I also shot his silencerco hybrid 46 suppressor (direct thread), and even with the extra length it still felt very light and maneuverable. Altogether we shot about 300 rounds through it (all 62 grain M855), with no issues. So it looks like continuing the use of an H3 is indeed possible. I plan to do more testing with this combo with a few different ammo types and will get back with the data.

Also, now I'm putting together a trust for a suppressor lol.

[OlongJohnson]

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/215774

Not the best-evar price, but "In Stock and Ready to Ship."

[OlongJohnson]

Wilson shows them in stock, too.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/LAW-Tactical-AR-Folding-Stock-Adapter-GEN-3-M/productinfo/NW486/

[theJanitor]

So I went with an old home-brewed 2-1 sling. Mounted it to the LAW unit with a QD, and secured with a strong bungee. It’s fast to deploy, tidy when folded and, unobtrusive when shooting without the sling. Good thing I have another sling for the second rifle about to get a LAW

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[Nephrology]

Took my 11.5" out this weekend to shoot/test/verify it with different buffer weights as had been talked about here since I added the LAW folder.

For specs:

11.5" (all)BCM upper
PSA lower with cmmg lpk
Larue MBT-2S trigger
VLTOR/A5 RE with mil rifle spring and SBA3
H2 and H3 buffers.



It shot pretty much how I expected it to with the H2 considering the barrel length and to check/gauge the reliability of the buffer/Folder combination. I tried the H3 and she shot so smooth I thought I was shooting an airsoft rifle. I also shot his silencerco hybrid 46 suppressor (direct thread), and even with the extra length it still felt very light and maneuverable. Altogether we shot about 300 rounds through it (all 62 grain M855), with no issues. So it looks like continuing the use of an H3 is indeed possible. I plan to do more testing with this combo with a few different ammo types and will get back with the data.

Also, now I'm putting together a trust for a suppressor lol.

Let me know how the H3 works out for you. I have H2s in all of my 11.5" ARs, but my PSA el-cheapo "pdw" is definitely more overgassed than the others. Have thought about throwing an H3 in, but the primary use of the PSA upper is shooting steel case ammo and ostensibly pseudo-disposable shorty AR for vehicle purposes.

[Casual Friday]

Let me know how the H3 works out for you. I have H2s in all of my 11.5" ARs, but my PSA el-cheapo "pdw" is definitely more overgassed than the others. Have thought about throwing an H3 in, but the primary use of the PSA upper is shooting steel case ammo and ostensibly pseudo-disposable shorty AR for vehicle purposes.

Keep in mind that the A5 buffers and standard buffers with the same number aren't the same weight. An A5H2 weighs the same as a H3. It's been a cuppa years since I played around with buffers much, but my 6933 would function with full power 5.56 loads all the way up to a H3 buffer with Springco White standard spring, but would fail to lock the bolt open on empty. With the A5H2 and VLTOR spring, I get 100% function and the bolt locks back with no problem. It even runs lower powered .223 loads that would cause it to choke on the standard spring and H3. I'm not one for snake oil remedies, and was leery but cautiously optimistic about the A5 prior to trying it, but I've found it to do what they say it's supposed to and have the A5 on all my shorties, including the two with Law Folders. I keep one of each of the A5 buffers on hand for tuning new uppers, but find most of the time the A5H2 is the ticket.

A5H0- 3.8 oz CAR- 3.0 oz
A5H1- 4.56 oz H1- 3.8 oz
A5H2- 5.33 oz H2- 4.6 oz
A5H3- 6.08 oz H3- 5.5 oz
A5H4- 6.83 oz

Just don't ever run a standard buffer in an A5 RE. When we were taming my nephew's 10.5" PSA, he accidentally grabbed the H2 buffer off my tailgate instead of the A5H2. The shorter buffer in the longer tube caused the rear of the gas key on the BCG to slam into the back of the lower receiver. :eek: Luckily no real damage other than to his ego.

[Nephrology]

Keep in mind that the A5 buffers and standard buffers with the same number aren't the same weight. An A5H2 weighs the same as a H3. It's been a cuppa years since I played around with buffers much, but my 6933 would function with full power 5.56 loads all the way up to a H3 buffer with Springco White standard spring, but would fail to lock the bolt open on empty. With the A5H2 and VLTOR spring, I get 100% function and the bolt locks back with no problem. It even runs lower powered .223 loads that would cause it to choke on the standard spring and H3. I'm not one for snake oil remedies, and was leery but cautiously optimistic about the A5 prior to trying it, but I've found it to do what they say it's supposed to and have the A5 on all my shorties, including the two with Law Folders. I keep one of each of the A5 buffers on hand for tuning new uppers, but find most of the time the A5H2 is the ticket.

A5H0- 3.8 oz CAR- 3.0 oz
A5H1- 4.56 oz H1- 3.8 oz
A5H2- 5.33 oz H2- 4.6 oz
A5H3- 6.08 oz H3- 5.5 oz
A5H4- 6.83 oz

Just don't ever run a standard buffer in an A5 RE. When we were taming my nephew's 10.5" PSA, he accidentally grabbed the H2 buffer off my tailgate instead of the A5H2. The shorter buffer in the longer tube caused the rear of the gas key on the BCG to slam into the back of the lower receiver. :eek: Luckily no real damage other than to his ego.

Interesting. Good to know. This gun just has a standard carbine receiver extension and buffer spring at the moment. I figured either an H3 and/or a Sprinco blue buffer spring would be the easiest way to tame its Holland tunnel size gas port. Will consider the A5s in the future though, they always did seem pretty appealing.

[DDTSGM]

Interesting. Good to know. This gun just has a standard carbine receiver extension and buffer spring at the moment. I figured either an H3 and/or a Sprinco blue buffer spring would be the easiest way to tame its Holland tunnel size gas port. Will consider the A5s in the future though, they always did seem pretty appealing.

you can fine tune the rifle with one of these, explore the configuration menu on the right:

https://blackrivertactical.ecwid.com/BRT-EZTUNE-Gas-Tube-Configurable-Carbine-p103167251

[Casual Friday]

Interesting. Good to know. This gun just has a standard carbine receiver extension and buffer spring at the moment. I figured either an H3 and/or a Sprinco blue buffer spring would be the easiest way to tame its Holland tunnel size gas port. Will consider the A5s in the future though, they always did seem pretty appealing.

I wanted to pull the FSB on his and measure the gas port but I just never did. It was downright violent with the carbine buffer and spring of unknown origin that PSA supplied.

[Parf]

Wilson shows them in stock, too.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/LAW-Tactical-AR-Folding-Stock-Adapter-GEN-3-M/productinfo/NW486/

Thanks!

[GyroF-16]

Wilson shows them in stock, too.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/LAW-Tactical-AR-Folding-Stock-Adapter-GEN-3-M/productinfo/NW486/

...and they’re gone.

[MistWolf]

Interesting. Good to know. This gun just has a standard carbine receiver extension and buffer spring at the moment. I figured either an H3 and/or a Sprinco blue buffer spring would be the easiest way to tame its Holland tunnel size gas port. Will consider the A5s in the future though, they always did seem pretty appealing.

The easiest way to fix your oversized gas port is with a BRT EZ Tune gas tube.

You can install a heavier buffer & spring, but the AR will still be over gassed

[jeep45238]

What's the trick to getting this to just latch shut without having to push the button at the same time? Oil, degrease, Cherrybalmz, working the button and riding the 'hitch' to smooth things out, etc., haven't worked. Functions fine otherwise. Any pointers?

[theJanitor]

What's the trick to getting this to just latch shut without having to push the button at the same time? Oil, degrease, Cherrybalmz, working the button and riding the 'hitch' to smooth things out, etc., haven't worked. Functions fine otherwise. Any pointers?

SHUT, meaning in the locked, firing position? It should just snap into place with light pressure. if it doesn't, I think something is wrong

[Casual Friday]

What's the trick to getting this to just latch shut without having to push the button at the same time? Oil, degrease, Cherrybalmz, working the button and riding the 'hitch' to smooth things out, etc., haven't worked. Functions fine otherwise. Any pointers?

That doesn't sound normal at all. While both of mine are a nice tight fit, the button shouldn't be required. Have you checked to see if there's a bur or something on the latch?

[spelingmastir]

I wondered the same thing before installing the buffer tube. The buffer tube acts as a lever and makes it much easier to close. There’s resistance from the latch but it will close without pressing the button if the gun needed to be employed.

[fatdog]

Mine was pretty stiff with a lot of resistance from the latch and I was pressing the button to get it closed, then I convinced myself to close it with some degree of force and never ease it shut. That worked and it has become easier with use. I think the latch pin was sorta tight in its channel and had a lot of resistance at first.

[Wake27]

I just bought the second to last one from OP Tactical. They only have FDE though. Now if people would stop hoarding A5H2s... in the meantime we’ll see how the MK18 runs with it and a A5H3 I guess.


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[Casual Friday]

I just bought the second to last one from OP Tactical. They only have FDE though. Now if people would stop hoarding A5H2s... in the meantime we’ll see how the MK18 runs with it and a A5H3 I guess.


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Nick from VLTOR said a while back that they were swamped filling contract orders hence the shortage. This was pre COVID so I don't know how much worse that made things.

You could always remove weight from the A5H3 if it's too much.

[Wake27]

Nick from VLTOR said a while back that they were swamped filling contract orders hence the shortage. This was pre COVID so I don't know how much worse that made things.

You could always remove weight from the A5H3 if it's too much.

I know they're always hard to find. But I'm a member of a FB group that has had I think two or three separate posts over the past two or so months with people showing off the 8-12 A5 buffers they had just bought... I also have no desire of screwing with the buffers. I know you can, but I had a hard enough time remember which lowers had green springs and which had standard until I consolidated them all to the same one. Either way, a member here reached out so I'm good.

[Willard]

I backordered with Brownells. Discount code SAE saves you $15 and will work in conjunction with any mil / LE / other discount you already have at sign in (at least appears to). I believe Brownells does not charge your card until they ship.

[Casual Friday]

I know they're always hard to find. But I'm a member of a FB group that has had I think two or three separate posts over the past two or so months with people showing off the 8-12 A5 buffers they had just bought... I also have no desire of screwing with the buffers. I know you can, but I had a hard enough time remember which lowers had green springs and which had standard until I consolidated them all to the same one. Either way, a member here reached out so I'm good.

Geez. That's just people hoarding them to sell later when they're OOS.

[Andy T]

It is possible to re-use the flange tool? To uninstall/reinstall the adapter a few more times?

[Casual Friday]

It is possible to re-use the flange tool? To uninstall/reinstall the adapter a few more times?

I did once, not sure I'd wanna reuse it more than that though. Everytime it's bent back and forth it weakens the metal. How many times do you think you'll swap lowers with it?

[Andy T]

Not many. However, I like the knowing I have the tools to remove/reinstall it if necessary.

On another tangent: I also notice how the adapter is scratching up my right hand, slightly above the web between thumb and index finger, when putting the rifle on safe. I would go as far as to say that ambi safety is strongly recommended with the LAW folder.


I did once, not sure I'd wanna reuse it more than that though. Everytime it's bent back and forth it weakens the metal. How many times do you think you'll swap lowers with it?

[Casual Friday]

Not many. However, I like the knowing I have the tools to remove/reinstall it if necessary.

On another tangent: I also notice how the adapter is scratching up my right hand, slightly above the web between thumb and index finger, when putting the rifle on safe. I would go as far as to say that ambi safety is strongly recommended with the LAW folder.

It will work a second and probably a third time if need be.

As far as chewing up your hand, that is something noted earlier in the thread by at least one person. I think it depends on how much you rotate your hand to activate the safety. I don't have that issue, but my wife did. I think the person in this thread filed down the ledge that was causing it.

[Caballoflaco]

Not many. However, I like the knowing I have the tools to remove/reinstall it if necessary.

On another tangent: I also notice how the adapter is scratching up my right hand, slightly above the web between thumb and index finger, when putting the rifle on safe. I would go as far as to say that ambi safety is strongly recommended with the LAW folder.

With a piece of metal the correct thickness, a hacksaw or dremel and a file or sand paper you could make a new tool in no time flat. It would just be one or two cuts, file the burr, check the fit and bada bing bada bam.

[tango-papa]

Andy T

Law Tactical offers "Replacement Parts + Tools" on their website.

https://www.lawtactical.com/category_s/1818.htm

The Flange Tool is currently listed at $3.99 each.
And they offer an Armorer's Flange Tool at $45.99 each.

[GyroF-16]

Well, my LAW folder is finally on the way...
Sportsman’s Outdoor Superstore shipped the one I ordered 2 weeks ago today.

So I canceled the one that’s been back-ordered from Optics Planet for a month.

I’m really disappointed in Optics Planet. They showed it on their website as if it was an in-stock item, and then changed it to backordered the next day, after I had ordered. Then did it again about 10 days ago (although I called & chatted to verify whether it was in stock). After spending an hour trying to get an attendant to answer, it changed to “back ordered” again.

The one from Sportsman’s cost a few bucks more, but at least it’s not vaperware.

[StraitR]

This has been a good thread, thanks to all who have participated.

I need a pair of these. One for a 11.5" pistol, the other to swap out the Maxim PDW stock on my DD PDW (want to get it even smaller).

I've signed up on couple email lists, so it's just a matter of waiting.

[RAM Engineer]

I guess I need to email LAW and see if they have a solution for a 10.3" DI gun with an H3 buffer.

[Andy T]

I guess I need to email LAW and see if they have a solution for a 10.3" DI gun with an H3 buffer.

Are you experiencing any issues?

[RAM Engineer]

Are you experiencing any issues?

No, I just want to make sure that configuration won't cause any issues before I spend the money on the adapter.

[Casual Friday]

No, I just want to make sure that configuration won't cause any issues before I spend the money on the adapter.

The most you'd have to do is drop down to an H2 or H buffer to offset the added weight of the BCG doohickey extension thingy. You may not even have to do that.

[jeep45238]

What's the trick to getting this to just latch shut without having to push the button at the same time? Oil, degrease, Cherrybalmz, working the button and riding the 'hitch' to smooth things out, etc., haven't worked. Functions fine otherwise. Any pointers?

So, this was doing the part of 'break in' and riding the friction with the button, latching, etc.., and various lubrication methods. I called them up, and mine slipped through the cracks on a jig that wears things down and smooths it up. The last part of the break in I was missing was swinging into a firing position like I meant it, and repeating the aforementioned process about a dozen times before really throwing the buffer tube into a firing position.

Simply put, I didn't want to break something, manufacturer more or less said 'go ham, we'll make it right if it doesn't work', so I went ham. Functions flawlessly now.

[Not HighSpeed]

DSG is showing the FDE version in stock if color isn't an issue. I ordered one so I guess we'll see if they actually are.

https://dsgarms.com/lower-receiver-parts-law-fsa-g3-fde

[GyroF-16]

DSG is showing the FDE version in stock if color isn't an issue. I ordered one so I guess we'll see if they actually are.

https://dsgarms.com/lower-receiver-parts-law-fsa-g3-fde

And now showing out of stock...

So hopefully they really had some to sell you!

[Not HighSpeed]

And now showing out of stock...

So hopefully they really had some to sell you!

Here's to hoping my link is what did it...


Funny thing if it was sold out when I ordered...I'd be 2/2 on ordering out of stock folders.

[Not HighSpeed]

Guess I was lucky enough to get one from DSG before they sold out. It has been shipped and will be delivered on Wed.


Now, the truly tough decision to make....take the black folder off and put it on the all black one so the FDE doesn't FUBAR my OCD, or just switch grips(color) and triggers(mil vs MBT-2S)....

[Jackdog]

Just dropped by a new gun store in Flower Mound, Tx. They had about a dozen or so LAW
Folders on the shelf. Both black and FDE
Price was $279.99.

May have to call to order. I can’t find them on the website.


https://skarms.com/


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[GyroF-16]

Just dropped by a new gun store in Flower Mound, Tx. They had about a dozen or so LAW
Folders on the shelf. Both black and FDE
Price was $279.99.

May have to call to order. I can’t find them on the website.


https://skarms.com/


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Good to hear from you, Jackdog. Haven’t seen you around these parts in a while.

[Jackdog]

Good to hear from you, Jackdog. Haven’t seen you around these parts in a while.

Thanks! I’m still here. Lurking around. I transition into training and last year and don’t have as much free time to surf the net.


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[JM Campbell]

Thanks! I’m still here. Lurking around. I transition into training and last year and don’t have as much free time to surf the net.


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Stay safe brother, I hope to make it back up there to shoot and train again!


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[RancidSumo]

Just dropped by a new gun store in Flower Mound, Tx. They had about a dozen or so LAW
Folders on the shelf. Both black and FDE
Price was $279.99.

May have to call to order. I can’t find them on the website.


https://skarms.com/


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I called and they do have them in stock still but do not ship.

[RancidSumo]

I called and they do have them in stock still but do not ship.

This caused me to go searching again and Brownells has them in stock right now. How's that for lucky.

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=151465&pid=71553

[theJanitor]

I got the email from Midwest Gunworks yesterday, and got an order in right before they sold out. The ordering window was about 15 minutes.

This is my third LAW folder, as every AR I own is gonna get one, eventually. Luckily I don't have that many rifles

[Jackdog]

I called and they do have them in stock still but do not ship.

Well, I can get you one and mail it to you.


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[RancidSumo]

Well, I can get you one and mail it to you.


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Thank you for the offer - had I not lucked into one on Brownells right after posting I'd definitely take you up on it.

[LOKNLOD]

Anybody got a fresh line on one of these? Got a previously unplanned cross country family trip coming up and I'm determined to be packing more than just my carry pistol this time.

[GyroF-16]

Anybody got a fresh line on one of these? Got a previously unplanned cross country family trip coming up and I'm determined to be packing more than just my carry pistol this time.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/214496

This is where I got mine. I signed up for notification, and ordered when I came back in stock.
Looks like they’re out right now, but it’s worth a try to get on the list.

[LOKNLOD]

Holdup!!!
Just checked brownells and they have them in black. https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=151465&pid=71553

My request has converted into a headsup!

VSC and VSD are valid codes depending on how much other crap you have in your cart ;)

[ChknLivrNWsky]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in thread, but does the LAW folder require any staking? Or is it recommended?

I know it's probably a stupid question, but I don't have a way of looking at one in person for a while. This isn't a deal breaker in any way, I was just more curious if anything. Reading around online, all I could see is that there is a set screw that is supposed to perform the same function as staking. For this screw, is anyone using threadlocker? Or is having the buffer tube come undone a complete non-issue?

Thanks

[theJanitor]

There is a set screw that secures the nut that holds the LAW to the receiver. I use Loctite on it. The RE attaches to the LAW the same as it would a normal receiver, so that should be staked, as usual

[GyroF-16]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in thread, but does the LAW folder require any staking? Or is it recommended?

I know it's probably a stupid question, but I don't have a way of looking at one in person for a while. This isn't a deal breaker in any way, I was just more curious if anything. Reading around online, all I could see is that there is a set screw that is supposed to perform the same function as staking. For this screw, is anyone using threadlocker? Or is having the buffer tube come undone a complete non-issue?

Thanks

Funny you should asl that... I was wondering the same thing, did a little research this morning and concluded that it was a good idea.
So making plans to acquire a square-headed punch for that purpose.

Have many / any of our other LAW users staked the castle nut?

[dontshakepandas]

Funny you should asl that... I was wondering the same thing, did a little research this morning and concluded that it was a good idea.
So making plans to acquire a square-headed punch for that purpose.

Have many / any of our other LAW users staked the castle nut?

Mine is staked. There isn't anything on the LAW folder to secure the castle nut that isn't there on a standard receiver, so if you'd stake a standard setup there is no reason not to do it with the folder.

[theJanitor]

Have many / any of our other LAW users staked the castle nut?

Two of mine are staked, and the third just got the PWS system installed, with the locking nut, which they say needs no staking. We will see how that goes

[Andy T]

You don't stake the LAW folder the receiver. It has a set screw to prevent rotation. You can/should, however, stake the standard RE endplate/castlenut where it screws into the LAW folder.

[ChknLivrNWsky]

You don't stake the LAW folder the receiver. It has a set screw to prevent rotation. You can/should, however, stake the standard RE endplate/castlenut where it screws into the LAW folder.

Thank you, this is what I was looking for.

[Norville]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in thread, but does the LAW folder require any staking? Or is it recommended?

I know it's probably a stupid question, but I don't have a way of looking at one in person for a while. This isn't a deal breaker in any way, I was just more curious if anything. Reading around online, all I could see is that there is a set screw that is supposed to perform the same function as staking. For this screw, is anyone using threadlocker? Or is having the buffer tube come undone a complete non-issue?

Thanks

A little late, but as noted it still uses the castle nut on the buffer tube, so staking is a good idea, or the ratcheting end plate / castle nut works great too.

[GyroF-16]

Two of mine are staked, and the third just got the PWS system installed, with the locking nut, which they say needs no staking. We will see how that goes

Thanks for making me aware of the PWS ratcheting castle nut. I was not aware of those.
I’ve got one on the way now.

[dontshakepandas]

Thanks for making me aware of the PWS ratcheting castle nut. I was not aware of those.
I’ve got one on the way now.

I was using those for awhile and while I never had any issues myself, did see a few reports of them loosening so I pulled them off and have gone back to a standard end plate and castle nut. Sorry, I don't remember where I saw that but the risk wasn't worth the slight convenience at that point.

[Andy T]

It's also worth considering price difference of the ratcheting gadget thingy vs a simple receiver endplate. Apparently, end plates can also be re-used. For disclosure, I still haven't staked my RE that's used with the LAW folder.

[theJanitor]

I was using those for awhile and while I never had any issues myself, did see a few reports of them loosening so I pulled them off and have gone back to a standard end plate and castle nut. Sorry, I don't remember where I saw that but the risk wasn't worth the slight convenience at that point.

Thanks, I'll be keeping an eye out for the one I just installed. I had a QD endplate fail the other day. So I ran down to the LGS, and the only thing they had was the PWS, so I grabbed it

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[dontshakepandas]

Thanks, I'll be keeping an eye out for the one I just installed. I had a QD endplate fail the other day. So I ran down to the LGS, and the only thing they had was the PWS, so I grabbed it

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I want to say that "most" of the failures I read about were from people that had used the ratcheting end plates more than once. I can definitely see how that could cause wear that could lead to failure.

That was disappointing to me because I actually picked it so I could use it on a pistol build with a LAW folder while I waited on my tax stamp and was hoping to be able to change from a pistol to carbine RE easily once it was approved.

[theJanitor]

I want to say that "most" of the failures I read about were from people that had used the ratcheting end plates more than once. I can definitely see how that could cause wear that could lead to failure.


Yeah, PWS doesn't state that the unit is "reusable", rather that it's a substitute for staking.

[GyroF-16]

Yeah, PWS doesn't state that the unit is "reusable", rather that it's a substitute for staking.

Well, that kind of sucks. It doesn’t appear that PWS sells replacement end plates.
The one I ordered hasn’t arrived yet... does it use an ordinary end plate, and just the ratcheting castle nut is “special”? Or are they a matched set?

[theJanitor]

they are matched, but I bet you could use a regular castle nut with the endplate

[Welder]

Black ones in stock at MGW, $239

[ranger]

Anyone tried this AR folder

https://www.primaryarms.com/sylvan-arms-ar15-folding-stock-adapter-gen-3?trk_msg=HQ4049QUQKTKJ5U43633V1J9KC&trk_contact=G8A4Q4FJB6JJOGIG21F3619I1C&trk_sid=MOAAG5JHRMGTC68ULF6BKA275G&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SLOT_10&utm_campaign=20_11_AD23_BlackFridayP1

[Casual Friday]

Anyone tried this AR folder

https://www.primaryarms.com/sylvan-arms-ar15-folding-stock-adapter-gen-3?trk_msg=HQ4049QUQKTKJ5U43633V1J9KC&trk_contact=G8A4Q4FJB6JJOGIG21F3619I1C&trk_sid=MOAAG5JHRMGTC68ULF6BKA275G&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SLOT_10&utm_campaign=20_11_AD23_BlackFridayP1

Nephew has one. It's aluminum, which didn't work well on the first gen LAW folders. Lockup is kinda sloppy, it sticks out further from the back of the receiver than a LAW folder, and it leaves like a half inch gap between the folding mechanism and the receiver. He's not thrilled with it, but he's young and poor.

[tango-papa]

FYI - for those looking for/needing one...

Law Tactical Folding Stock Adapter in stock at Brownells at $259.99.

Current discount code "MZA" = $20 off $250; code is valid/works as of 12/11/2020, 1750 hours CST.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/stock-hardware/adapter/ar-15-m16-gen3-m-folding-stock-adapter-sku100015850-71553-151465.aspx

[Wyoming Shooter]

Brownells is now out of stock. Has anyone found them in stock elsewhere recently?

[pooty]

last week i spotted one in a case at my lgs, one of the FDE ones for 269 dont see why they wouldnt ship its been in the case forever
https://freedomgunstore.com/

[tango-papa]

Brownells is now out of stock. Has anyone found them in stock elsewhere recently?

The standard Law Tactical Folding Stock Adapter (black) is available for back order at Brownells at $269.99.

Discount code "MZA" is current/valid for $20 off $250.

The total shipped with above discount code + "shipping protection" at $3 + shipping at $4.95 + tax at $21.70 = $269.64

If the FDE version Pooty saw at his local getting place is available at $270, that's the same price you would pay at Brownells with no discount code.

Brownells gets the Law folder in stock on what seems to be a consistent basis but they sell out fast.
Doing a "backorder" at Brownells guarantees you'll get one.

[theJanitor]

Brownells is now out of stock. Has anyone found them in stock elsewhere recently?

https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Law-Tactical-AR-folding-stock-adapter-Gen-3-M_p_155.html

[GyroF-16]

https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Law-Tactical-AR-folding-stock-adapter-Gen-3-M_p_155.html

Thanks!
That was $255.24 shipped - about the best deal I’ve seen on a LAW in the last 12 months or more.

[Wyoming Shooter]

Both Brownells and Forward Control are currently sold out. I placed a back order at Brownells. We'll see how long it takes to fill. MZA discount code is still working. Thanks for the help!

[MDFA]

If anyone is interested I ordered from Brownell's yesterday. They have a selection of the colors in stock.

[MDFA]

If anyone is interested I ordered from Brownell's yesterday. They have a selection of the colors in stock.

Installed on my Saint 10.3 Pistol. Outstanding workmanship and design. I also added a Magpul BTR Brace. It had a Factory Maxim Adjustable Brace, which was a great piece of gear, but i wanted to be able to get it shorter for a better fit in my pack or any other case I might use. PM me if you're interested in the Maxim Brace.

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It was tragically lost in a boating accident moments after the photos were taken....

[HeavyDuty]

Primary Arms has them on sale today only (4-16-23) for $200. Best price I’ve seen.

[LOKNLOD]

Back when they were hard to get, I bought two, installed one.

Now I can't find the other one. Dammit. :D #gunguyproblems (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=gunguyproblems)

[HeavyDuty]

As part of my “finish the damn projects!” initiative I’ve been tuning my three LAW folder equipped guns, and thought I’d mention my findings here.

A LAW BCG extension weighs 2 oz so starting buffer weight needs to be considered. Two of my LAWs are on SBR lowers that usually have 5.56 uppers mounted ranging from 7.5” (kerBOOM!) to 12.5”, and the third lives with a 14.5” 5.56.

My starting point for the SBRs was a H buffer (3.8 oz) plus the extension which gets you a little heavier than an H3 - so far, so good. For the 14.5”, I’ve settled on a carbine buffer (3 oz) plus the extension which ends up a little heavier than an H2.

I’ve heard of people emptying carbine buffer bodies of all the weights to get down closer to H country, I haven’t needed to try this. Yet.

Food for thought.

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[bofe954]

Primary Arms has them on sale today only (4-16-23) for $200. Best price I’ve seen.

They have them for $199 again.