Current state of 9mm PCC/subgun suppressors

[rob_s]

I’m curious to know what the new hotness is for 9mm pcc or subgun suppressors. If they can also be modified to use on a pistol without too much fiddle-fart, that’s fine too but my primary interest is for use on a 9mm AR with a short (let’s say 7-11”) barrel.

[JRB]

I'm so in.

I have a transferable UZI that needs a can, and since it gets a steady diet of 13c/round steel case 'Uzi Kibble' Wolf, I'd really like a 9mm can that is user serviceable and is basically indestructible with high FA firing schedules. The SiCo Octane 9 had my attention but it was discontinued, and the third party that made an elegant UZI barrel nut adapter for it doesn't make it anymore.
The DeadAir Wolfman 9mm is interesting but I'm concerned about a sealed can with high round counts of dirty Russian 9mm.

[Dan_S]

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I'm so in.

I have a transferable UZI that needs a can, and since it gets a steady diet of 13c/round steel case 'Uzi Kibble' Wolf, I'd really like a 9mm can that is user serviceable and is basically indestructible with high FA firing schedules. The SiCo Octane 9 had my attention but it was discontinued, and the third party that made an elegant UZI barrel nut adapter for it doesn't make it anymore.
The DeadAir Wolfman 9mm is interesting but I'm concerned about a sealed can with high round counts of dirty Russian 9mm.

Bowers Group makes what you’re looking for.

The Vers9s or Wardog models would probably be the best fit.


http://bowersgroup.com/product/vers-9s/

[LittleLebowski]

Giving Back can hook you up with a discount for Bowers.

[Odin Bravo One]

I run a VERS9 on my PCC.

[LittleLebowski]

Hansohn Brothers

[Odin Bravo One]

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I run a VERS9 on my PCC.

[jandbj]

https://libertycans.net/infiniti-x-lightweight-silencer/
Other than a dedicated rimfire can... just buy this and suppress damn near everything you own.

Yes, it really is that good.

[Dan_S]

https://libertycans.net/infiniti-x-lightweight-silencer/
Other than a dedicated rimfire can... just buy this and suppress damn near everything you own.

Yes, it really is that good.

How does the baffle stack remove from the tube?

Can’t find much info about it on their website. No technical information that I saw either pertaining to what grades of material are used, etc.

[jandbj]

How does the baffle stack remove from the tube?

Can’t find much info about it on their website. No technical information that I saw either pertaining to what grades of material are used, etc.

https://libertycans.net/mystic-x/
It’s a Mystic X with a titanium stack, rated for 50+ different calibers through .338 win mag pressures and .35 caliber bore.

“The first true multipurpose suppressor, the Mystic, set the bar high for a multipurpose design. Now the Mystic X has improved upon that ground breaking technology. The Mystic X was born from a need for extreme versatility, with the first time silencer buyer in the forefront of our minds. When purchasing a first suppressor, buyers can easily be overwhelmed with the amount of info available. We wanted the first time buyer to have a choice that allows them to dip their toe into the NFA waters and have the most versatile suppressor available. To achieve this goal, we took one of our most popular models and improved on that platform to create what we feel is one of the most functional suppressors available, and the ultimate first time owner’s silencer. Rated for dozens of calibers, ranging from 22lr up to 300 Win Mag, it can be used as a 9mm silencer or rifle silencer on a variety of handguns, rifles and submachine guns. If you were to only own one silencer, we believe that the Mystic X is the one to choose.
17 M2 (Rimfire)
17 HMR (Rimfire)
17 WSM (Rimfire)
22 Short (Rimfire)
22 Long (Full Auto)
22 LR (Rimfire)
22 Mag (Rimfire)
22 Hornet
22 K Hornet
218 Bee*
219 Zipper*
221 Fireball*
22-250*
223 Rem (See Note Below)*
22 PPC (See Note Below)
30 PPC (See Note Below)
30 Carbine
30 Herrett
30 Mauser
30-30 Winchester*
32-20
32 S&W Long
32 H&R Magnum
4.6 X 30 HK (Full Auto)
5.56MM NATO*
5.7 X 28 FN (Full Auto)
6MM PPC (See Note Below)*
6MM BR (See Note Below)*
7-30 Waters*
9 x 18 (Full Auto)
9 x 19 (Base Caliber) (Full Auto)
9 x 21
9 x 23 (38 Super)
9 x 23 Winchester
9 x 25 Dillon
9 x 25 Super Auto G
300 BLACKOUT
380 (Full Auto)
38 Special
38 S&W
357 Sig
357 Mag
357 Maximum Supersonic
357 Auto Mag
357 Herrett
338 Spectre
300/221 Fireball
300 Whisper©
5.45x39MM Russian*
6.5 Grendel (See Note Below)
6.8 SPC (See Note Below)*
7.62 x 25 MM (Full Auto)*
7.62 x 38 R*
7.62 x 39 MM*
New Calibers (for MX2600 and above only)
.308 Win*
.30-06*
.243*
.260*
.270*
8mm Mauser*
.6.5 Creedmoor*
7mm Mag*
7mm – 08*
300 WSM*
338 Win Mag*
300 Win Mag*
* We recommend the full size, stainless steel Liberty Suppressors Fixed Barrel Adapter with these calibers.
Barrel Restrictions For MX2600 and above: • .223, 7.62 x 39, 6.8 SPC size family of cartridges are now rated for 11.5” barrels. • 300 Blackout is now rated down to 5” barrels as long as the twist rate of the barrel will stabilize the bullet in flight. • .308 families of cartridges, such as 243 Win, 270 Win, 30-06, etc. are rated for 18” or longer barrels. • 300 Win Mag family of cartridges such as 7mm REM MAG, 338 Win Mag, 300 WSM, etc. are rated for 22” or longer barrels.
Barrel Restrictions for MX2599 and below: .223, 7.62×39 and 6.8 SPC size family of cartridges limited to 16″ or longer. 300 Blackout rated to 8″. Note 2: It has been found that Monarch brand 124r JHP will separate in the suppressor and can generate baffle strikes due to instability in the rounds. Please refrain from using this ammunition in your Mystic X suppressors or any other Liberty can at this time. Thank you.
Manufacturers Recommendation: When disassembling a take apart suppressor, if more than hand force is necessary to remove the inner core from the outer tube, please use a semi-soft material such as wood, rubber, or nylon as opposed to harder items like a hammer.”


Disassembly/Cleaning
https://2uw3472yi3st1vb2ak31mt31-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/Mystic-X-Cleaning2.pdf

I became a believer using the original Mystic and later Mystic X on everything from an M16, through .308 bolt guns, 9mm M11-9, Contenders through full power .357Max, a couple of Glock with the booster... my own infinity x is still in NFA jail but I’ve arranged conjugal visits with my SOT and already run it on my Ruger GSR, 77/357 and Geisselle patrol rifle. Exceptional can in every way. Have your SOT order the package deal that comes with 4 fixed mounts. Buy the pistol booster while you wait for the stamp to come in.

[Mike C]

I've been really happy with my Obsidian 9 on everything from 300 BO, my B&T APC9K Pro to pistols. The performance is good though I think the 9K sounds better but I like the fact that the Obsidian 9 breaks down and is user serviceable. I also like the configurable length even thought mine pretty much only gets shot in the short config. Bonus it takes Q's Plan B which is what I am looking into now.

[Dan_S]

jandbj

Thanks, but it leaves me with questions. What type/grade Ti did they use? Is it domestically produced, or imported? Is the baffle stack a mono-core, or shielded baffle, or open baffle?

[jandbj]

jandbj

Thanks, but it leaves me with questions. What type/grade Ti did they use? Is it domestically produced, or imported? Is the baffle stack a mono-core, or shielded baffle, or open baffle?

Monocore, the wave pattern on the end keeps the crud from seizing the tube to the stack. No clam shells required.
Older Mystic X vid, but you get the idea...

https://youtu.be/9WNnosPDM4k
Infiniti X vid

https://youtu.be/IYqGQW8b-p4

Call Dave Saylors and ask. He even answers the phone himself.




P.S. I’m getting an education in adding links in this thread.... I think I even got the YouTube ones right! :cool:

[Dan_S]

Monocore, the wave pattern on the end keeps the crud from seizing the tube to the stack. No clam shells required.
Call Dave Saylors and ask. He even answers the phone himself.

Well, it’s always nice to have the option to deal with the owner of a company.

[jandbj]

Well, it’s always nice to have the option to deal with the owner of a company.
The aforementioned .357Max Contender was part of the R&D that got the Mystic changed to the Mystic X... if you mention “JohnInNH” to Dave he’ll remember it.

[Dan_S]

The aforementioned .357Max Contender was part of the R&D that got the Mystic changed to the Mystic X... if you mention “JohnInNH” to Dave he’ll remember it.

Thanks for the info. Always good to have another name in the hat for finding the exact solution for ones needs.

While Im unconvinced on a Ti baffle stack (Ti tube is different), I may do a bit of digging on some of their other models, and would definitely ping them before purchasing.


Thanks.

[Bart Carter]

My collapsable PCC. 5.5" tri-lug barrel, Law Tactical folder, Gear Head Works Tailhook Mod 1 Pistol Brace, Vortex MRD, Matrix side charger upper, Spikes Colt lower.

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Currently with carbon fiber handguard and Mystic X tri-lug fitted suppressor.

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Love that Mystic X :D

[JRB]

I run a VERS9 on my PCC.

Looks like a very slick setup - how well does it work? How easy is it to clean?

I should have mentioned that I'm familiar with the Bowers lineup, but I wasn't considering them for a few reasons.

I'm open minded to new data, though.

[Hansohn Brothers]

The SilencerCo Omega 9k is still a very capable PCC silencer. Great suppression is a compact size.

[rob_s]

If I were to buy a R9™ 9MM SOUND SUPPRESSOR (https://yhm.net/r9-9mm.html) could I mount it to a Glock with a threaded barrel using the NIELSEN BOOSTER ASSEMBLY (https://yhm.net/nielsen-booster-assembly.html), and make it QD on the PCC using the KURZ KITS (https://yhm.net/kurz-kit.html)?

[Dan_S]

Looks like a very slick setup - how well does it work? How easy is it to clean?

I should have mentioned that I'm familiar with the Bowers lineup, but I wasn't considering them for a few reasons.

I'm open minded to new data, though.


It works...well. Not sure what else to say about it.


Cleaning isn’t something I have ever done, or seen done. They use an asymmetric baffle stack, and as such Bowers doesn’t recommend popping them open without a good reason, and if you ever put enough rounds through one to clog it with...whatever is in that Russian ammo...I suspect they would recommend sending it in for cleaning - I would email them about that particular question, or, since you’re capable of turning a wrench...a face spanner is all you need to take off the end cap, and pop out the baffles.

[LittleLebowski]

The SilencerCo Omega 9k is still a very capable PCC silencer. Great suppression is a compact size.

Yeah, that and a tri-lug (https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/3-lug/hansohn-3-lug-muzzle-device/) is hard to beat. Love mine.

[Hansohn Brothers]

If I were to buy a R9[emoji769] 9MM SOUND SUPPRESSOR (https://yhm.net/r9-9mm.html) could I mount it to a Glock with a threaded barrel using the NIELSEN BOOSTER ASSEMBLY (https://yhm.net/nielsen-booster-assembly.html), and make it QD on the PCC using the KURZ KITS (https://yhm.net/kurz-kit.html)?

Yes to all. :)

[JRB]

The main reason I wanted the Octane over the Omega is the user serviceability. I can see the reason for makers to push for sealed cans with how derpy some folks can be, and even when one is careful I'm sure POI will shift somewhat after you put a stack of baffles back together. But that's not much of a concern with an SMG.

Those of you with Omegas, what's your use and round count like? What mount are you using?



It works...well. Not sure what else to say about it.
Cleaning isn’t something I have ever done, or seen done. They use an asymmetric baffle stack, and as such Bowers doesn’t recommend popping them open without a good reason, and if you ever put enough rounds through one to clog it with...whatever is in that Russian ammo...I suspect they would recommend sending it in for cleaning - I would email them about that particular question, or, since you’re capable of turning a wrench...a face spanner is all you need to take off the end cap, and pop out the baffles.

Sounds like it's not much of a step up over the CAC-9 that I tried years ago. The performance was very underwhelming. The owner had expressed his disappointment to Bowers, and the CAC-9 owner summarized the response from Bowers as 'its a cheap ass can, what did you expect?
Well, hearing safe with 9mm subs on an outdoor range with a 10+in barrel would be nice, if one's going to bother with all the damn paperwork. Especially for a can that size.

[Dan_S]

JRB



I’ve put a few rounds through the Vers9 on a sub gun, and it was impressive. That reply from Bowers isn’t the least in-line with what my experience and that of a friend have been...at all.

[Hansohn Brothers]

Those of you with Omegas, what's your use and round count like? What mount are you using?

I have no idea of round count but a lot of machine gun and PCC use over the years as a demo model. Still sounds good, actually better than new. I prefer, and use, a 3 lug mount. Ammunition is usually American Eagle 147 ball because I’m cheap, it works and subsonic.