My favorite armor

[LittleLebowski]

Merkava (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava)
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Rooikat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooikat)
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[blues]

Where's the link on amazon?



;)

[LittleLebowski]

Where's the link on amazon?

;)

After making a whopping 85 cents yesterday, no need :cool:

[LittleLebowski]

Updated with Wikipedia links. I bet that Rooikat could kick some ass in LAV type use cases. Fast and with a decent punch using that 105mm.

[wvincent]

Updated with Wikipedia links. I bet that Rooikat could kick some ass in LAV type use cases. Fast and with a decent punch using that 105mm.

What does Larry Vickers have to do with this? Is this going to be another collaboration with Wilson Combat? How cool would a 105mm 1911 be??:D

[Suvorov]

As someone who rode one for 10 years, I can say without question that the M1 Abrams is my favorite and there isn't another chariot in the world I would rather ride into harms way in.

Merkava is a great tank for Israel's needs and I honestly think that non-monkey model Russian tanks are a credible threat when properly crewed.

When it comes to lighter armor, I'm lukewarm on the Bradley despite it's proven combat capabilities and really like the Swedish CV90.

Interesting to see the Leo II suffer such losses in Northern Syria. For years it was touted as superior to the Abrams yet it's lack of crew survivability (large number of rounds stored in the crew compartment) makes it definitely take a back seat to it's American stablemate.

Oh well - I love tanks........

[Dan_S]

The Merkava didn’t do so hot in Lebanon...

[Suvorov]

Where's the link on amazon?



;)

https://www.amazon.com/COBI-Small-Army-LAV-Vehicle/dp/B07BB6DVVK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=cobi+lav&qid=1581296476&sr=8-1

You might be underwhelmed however. :cool:

[TGS]

What does Larry Vickers have to do with this? Is this going to be another collaboration with Wilson Combat? How cool would a 105mm 1911 be??:D

US Marine Corps Light Armored Vehicle (LAV) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAV-25)

[Wise_A]

Fuck maneuverability.

http://i.imgur.com/0SqeDMVh.jpg

T-28 / T-95 prototypes.

[EPF]

As someone who rode one for 10 years, I can say without question that the M1 Abrams is my favorite....

The M1A3 is nasty. Unbelievable tech and capabilities.

[LittleLebowski]

Fuck maneuverability.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103

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[txdpd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103


When she looks great in pictures, but can’t get much done in the real world. Not being able to depress the muzzle and fire from defilade has been a major advantage to US and Israeli armor vs Russian armor. Still a sexy beast.


Interesting to see the Leo II suffer such losses in Northern Syria. For years it was touted as superior to the Abrams yet it's lack of crew survivability (large number of rounds stored in the crew compartment) makes it definitely take a back seat to it's American stablemate.


The Iraqi army has lost a lot of M1A1s, I don’t know the exact break down in combat losses. I wonder how many of those losses are just poor tactics and not a shortcoming of the tank. I’ve seen a lot of videos out of Syria where tanks are employed with zero support.

[Suvorov]

When she looks great in pictures, but can’t get much done in the real world. Not being able to depress the muzzle and fire from defilade has been a major advantage to US and Israeli armor vs Russian armor. Still a sexy beast.



The Iraqi army has lost a lot of M1A1s, I don’t know the exact break down in combat losses. I wonder how many of those losses are just poor tactics and not a shortcoming of the tank. I’ve seen a lot of videos out of Syria where tanks are employed with zero support.

Good point. I think it is both. The Iraqi and Saudi M1A1s do not have the depleted uranium armor packages and may have even less effective armor than the standard M1A1, combine that with piss poor use of the tanks and you will get catastrophic kills. Of course every tank has the shortcoming of the fact that its side and rear armor an be penetrated by lighter anti-tank weapons. That said, there is reportedly an M1 named "The Beast" that survived and was used to extremely good effect against ISIS. https://popularmilitary.com/lone-surviving-iraqi-m1-abrams-tank-nicknamed-the-beast-is-tearing-up-isis/

Where I think the Abrams really is best is simply in the crew survivability. The the crew is separated from the magazine through a heavy blast door which greatly increases their chance of survival in a catastrophic kill. The Soviet tanks store their ammo in a carousel under the turret which means almost certain death of the crew if the magazine is ignited. I was surprised to see how readily the Leo II's brewed up in Syria, apparently half of their ammo storage is behind blast doors while the other half sit to the left of the driver.

It is interesting to note that one of the key advantages of the new Russian T-14 is the fact that the crew sit in a well armored hull separate of the ammo and even gun, while I suspect this will result in many mechanical challenges there is little doubt that they have learned the lessons of past T series tank and are trying to improve crew survivability.

Those videos out of Syria of the T-72Bs fighting in the city are absolutely insane! :eek:

[UNM1136]

They all look WAAAAAY more comfortable than my ABA X-Treme vest...

pat

[Wise_A]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103

If you want a lowrider, you don't need to go Swedish.

https://i.redd.it/jqm9ohdp2dr11.jpg

Actually, it's kind've funny how many tank designs just assumed there would be no advances in on-the-move gun stabilization. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the Abrams' Big Thing back in the day? I mean, aside from the classified armor.

[Baldanders]

Fuck maneuverability.

http://i.imgur.com/0SqeDMVh.jpg

T-28 / T-95 prototypes.

Reminds me of an "OGRE" from the game of the same name...

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[Dog Guy]

The Merkava is a good example of form following function. Israel can't afford high casualties so the layout of the tank with engine up front to absorb frontal fire, ammo storage outside the crew compartment, electrical turret drive to eliminate hydraulic fluid fire, and the like are pretty creative thinking. They're also optimized to work easily with infantry, based on experiences in Lebanon and Gaza.

[txdpd]

It is interesting to note that one of the key advantages of the new Russian T-14 is the fact that the crew sit in a well armored hull separate of the ammo and even gun, while I suspect this will result in many mechanical challenges there is little doubt that they have learned the lessons of past T series tank and are trying to improve crew survivability.


I wonder if the Armata is a tacit acknowledgement that current tanks can't survive on the modern battlefield with the current generation of antitank weapons. How long until the MBT becomes a miniature drone tank.


Those videos out of Syria of the T-72Bs fighting in the city are absolutely insane! :eek:

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I’m always amazed how the Syrian’s seem to have zero concept that they don’t have to leave tanks sitting out in the open. Even if they can’t fire hull down they could do a better job having minimal exposure.

[jbrimlow]

I wonder if the Armata is a tacit acknowledgement that current tanks can't survive on the modern battlefield with the current generation of antitank weapons. How long until the MBT becomes a miniature drone tank.

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Sort of? I think it's just more that it's a way to get the protection you need while also sorta kinda staying under the weight limits that you also need to be able to use Russian bridges. There were a lot of similar designs late in the cold war from the Soviets, West Germany, and America.

M1A2C is like 81 tons (american tons/'short' tons, not metric)

[awp_101]

Reminds me of an "OGRE" from the game of the same name...

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I had the same thought. I might actually still have my copy of Ogre in a box around here somewhere...

[Baldanders]

I had the same thought. I might actually still have my copy of Ogre in a box around here somewhere...


If you do, that is worth $$$ if it's in good shape. Old microboxed sets are going for $75, other old sets are crazy.

[awp_101]

Rooikat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooikat)
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I find wheeled armor and artillery fascinating (Technicals too, but I don't think they count as armor).

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/armored_vehicles/sdkfz_231_232_233/US_Soldiers_in_Captured_German_SdKfz_233_Stummel.j pg
US Soldiers in captured German heavy armored car SdKfz 233 “Stummel”

South African G6 Rhino
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/g6_52.jpg


If you do, that is worth $$$ if it's in good shape. Old microboxed sets are going for $75, other old sets are crazy.
Dang, I wish I still had all of my old Car Wars stuff...

[Baldanders]

Dang, I wish I still had all of my old Car Wars stuff...

Heh, I do, looks like that is also crazy expensive. I might be making an ebay posting sometime soon.

[Baldanders]

Back in the day, I was obsessed with fighter jets.

After watching the Forgotten Weapons Sherman Tank video, and reading this this thread, I feel a need to get educated on armored vehicles.

Site recommendations?

[Joe in PNG]

I will always take the opportunity to visit this place when I vacation down in Cairns, Australia:
The Australian Armour & Artillery Museum (https://www.ausarmour.com/)

[Suvorov]

Back in the day, I was obsessed with fighter jets.

After watching the Forgotten Weapons Sherman Tank video, and reading this this thread, I feel a need to get educated on armored vehicles.

Site recommendations?

YouTube is the best source. The best is the Chieftain’s (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheChieftainWoT) Hatch. I served with the “Chieftain” and he is the real deal. Commanded a Tank Platoon in Iraq and saw some stuff. He does a real good job with historical vehicles.

Matsumis (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFWjEwhX6cSAKBQ28pufG3w) is also pretty good - he is a British Army mechanic who has a fair amount of knowledge.

For a Russian perspective there is Red Effect (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCANk4DCsImDX3wlXQ6M1Jdg). He puts out some real interesting information on Pact tanks and I think his appraisals and critiques of both Pact and Western tanks are thoughtful.

Lastly are the Bovington Tank Museums (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTankMuseum) videos - great stuff!

[Suvorov]

I find wheeled armor and artillery fascinating (Technicals too, but I don't think they count as armor).

As a former Tanker - it really is hard for me to think of anything with wheels as anything but a target. That said - I have often times fantasied about purchasing a BTR-80 and turning it into the Ultimate Overlanding RV!


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[JRB]

As a former Tanker - it really is hard for me to think of anything with wheels as anything but a target. That said - I have often times fantasied about purchasing a BTR-80 and turning it into the Ultimate Overlanding RV!


I've spent some time looking at mortarinvestments.eu and pondering a BTR, and how a pair of Cummins 6BT's diesel engines would swap in nicely and solve some of the fuel mileage and spare parts problems, and a transferable .50 or two could be mounted in the turret, with a mini fridge and arms rack and ammo storage and all the important things set up in the back...

Of course I'd use that kind of rig to drive around my 50-section ranch full of genetically engineered dinosaurs because I'm an adult with realistic goals & expectations.

[Suvorov]

Back in the day, I was obsessed with fighter jets.

After watching the Forgotten Weapons Sherman Tank video, and reading this this thread, I feel a need to get educated on armored vehicles.

Site recommendations?

As far as text based site - Wiki is pretty decent with all the Wiki caveats. There is also Tank Encyclopedia (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/) which is a wealth of information.


Of course I'd use that kind of rig to drive around my 50-section ranch full of genetically engineered dinosaurs because I'm an adult with realistic goals & expectations.

I mean - what Normal Red Blooded man wouldn't want that? And lets face it - a BTR would probably provide the MINIMUM level of protection one would need while enjoying that back country with wondering Allosaurs and Stegosaurs.

Seems at this time a BTR-80 might be hard to find for sale on the civilian market but the BTR-60s are pretty much a dime a dozen (relative to armor vehicles). Still can't convince my wife however..... :mad:

[deflave]

Fuck maneuverability.

http://i.imgur.com/0SqeDMVh.jpg

T-28 / T-95 prototypes.

LOL

[deflave]

Back in the day, I was obsessed with fighter jets.

After watching the Forgotten Weapons Sherman Tank video, and reading this this thread, I feel a need to get educated on armored vehicles.

Site recommendations?

I'm not an expert on armor, but I can tell you that if you find Age of Tanks on NetFlix, you may as well cancel any plans you had for the rest of the day.

[Hambo]

No experience with either, but I like the look. A wheeled 105mm and tracked 120mm. :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE0KxkN_P70


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlNDQ2PVPpI

[Zincwarrior]

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