New SA Saint Edge - a PDW for the masses?

[HeavyDuty]

I’ve always been intrigued by the PDW concept and have dabbled in it with a 7.5” 5.56 build with a folding GHW Tailhook brace. Yes, I know 5.56 ballistics are severely compromised by the short barrel - but it is very easy to make hits out to 100M plus it folds up tiny.

I Springfield announced a PDW version of their Saint pistol at SHOT. I’m surprised to see it has some high zoot components - the Maxim linear brake is $200 retail, and their PDW brace is $350ish. This may make a decent PDW for the average Joe, I’m guessing street price will be $1400 or less.

I know the Saint line doesn’t seem to get much respect, but I have three friends who have various models and haven’t had issues. None of them have run theirs hard in a class setting, I’d be curious to see how they stand up.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/springfield-armory-saint-edge-pdw-shot-show-2020/

[FNFAN]

7.5" in 5.56 means you'll never have to Neti-pot your sinuses again!:cool:

[LittleLebowski]

7.5" in 5.56 means you'll never have to Neti-pot your sinuses again!:cool:

Yeah...anything under 11.5: should be .300BO in my opinion. I've got the Palmetto 8.5" (https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-300aac-blackout-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html) and it runs well out of the box, even suppressed.

[HeavyDuty]

I have this inexpensive MI muzzle device on my 7.5”, and it’s actually quite tolerable - even indoors. I did try it once with an A2, that was fun...

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/MI-AR-15-Blast-Diverter-5-56-2-23-p/mi-pbd.htm

[Dan_S]

Did I hear somewhere that BCM has/had some involvement in the Springfield ARs?

[MolonLabe416]

I picked this up last year. Runs and more accurate than I am:

https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/saint-victor-ar-15-pistol-300-blk/

This has potential:

https://www.springfield-armory.com/saint-edge-evac-coming-soon/

Yes, 556 in Uber short barrel loses significant velocity, but I expect it beats a 9mm on the receiving end.

[HeavyDuty]

This has potential:

https://www.springfield-armory.com/saint-edge-evac-coming-soon/

Yes, 556 in Uber short barrel loses significant velocity, but I expect it beats a 9mm on the receiving end.

Imagine that without the takedown barrel, and that’s pretty much my 7.5” - LAW folder, Tailhook and all.

[Sero Sed Serio]

I was really impressed with the Daniel Defense PDW released at SHOT. I’ve really liked the idea of an unsuppressed 300 Blackout as a backpack rif...er, “pistol” after voodoo_man’s thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22297-300-as-non-suppressed-pistol. With the short barrel, blast-directing muzzle device, and collapsing brace that allows the weapon to be fired in fully-collapsed form (although the safety is a bit buried in this condition, but still useable), I think this is the best overall design for a concealable, deployable, reasonably affordable, and (assuming typical DD quality) reliable PDW-type weapon. Assuming no issues in teething, I plan to pick one up shortly.

[HCM]

Did I hear somewhere that BCM has/had some involvement in the Springfield ARs?

People have made that assumption because they used BCM furniture but there is no real connection I’m aware of.

[JRB]

I thought the Troy M7 was awesome until I fired one. I suspect that anyone with a talismanic approach to carrying a braced AR pistol will enjoy the compactness of a 7.5in barrel. It looks cool, it'll sell because it looks cool, and I'm okay with that.
Folks with a more training/high round count sort of use will opt for longer barrels, I suspect.

Also, G&R Tactical currently has Colt 6933 uppers in stock; $480 stripped or $699 with BCG, CH, and MBUS sight.

P-F thread drift;

With a .300 BO pistol build, is there a similar near-Goldilocks barrel length for .300 that is good with supers and suppresses well with subs?
I'm thinking about treating myself to one with a can soon and I'm struggling to sort through all the barfcom derp.

/P-F thread drift

[HeavyDuty]

I see Maxim Defense themselves are releasing something very similar in .300 BO - and the price isn’t hugely more than the SA offering:

https://www.maximdefense.com/product/300blk-pdx/

This may be old news to y’all...

[snow white]

So how short does a 5.56 rifle need to be before it becomes advantageous to just go with a pistol caliber instead?

[HCM]

So how short does a 5.56 rifle need to be before it becomes advantageous to just go with a pistol caliber instead?

10.3” - 11.5 ” if you want reliability and longevity. Shorter than that go 300 BO.

[Grey]

It looks like it does a decent job of pushing the blast forward, I don't quite understand the need for something that short on the commercial market, I'd definitely accept a longer barrel to get it to the 11.5 range for reliability. If you're going that short you should either run 300 or 7.62x39.

[HeavyDuty]

10.3” - 11.5 ” if you want reliability and longevity. Shorter than that go 300 BO.

My 7.5” is basically a toy. My “serious” 5.56 pistol is 12.5”.

[CrazyEddie]

Just checking in to see if anyone has held or shot the Edge PDW. I had assumed it would be available in 300 BLK in addition to 5.56, but it isn't (at least yet).

[CrazyEddie]

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