The SF Chronicle is collecting names of California CCW holders

[LittleLebowski]

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[RevolverRob]

Sutter County California seems like it might be a decent place to live in California.

[HeavyDuty]

WT actual F? Time to start publishing the personal information for their editorial and news staff.

[Clusterfrack]

Anti-gun activists tried this in Oregon as well, but were fortunately denied.

Their argument was that for their own safety, people need to know if they are living near a gun owner. It’s strange logic to me, but resonates with many.

It’s hard not to feel like the next step will be little gun-shaped marks on our doors.

[Chance]

My memory is foggy, but I believe a paper in New York did that a number of years ago.

[CS Tactical]

Wonderful, if we can we prove that we are targeted due to our information listed publicly than we may need to take action.

Edit: this is the supposed reporter requesting it: Here (https://twitter.com/joaquinpalomino)

[OlongJohnson]

I know that newspapers have published lists of people who hold marijuana grow permits in that same area. Perhaps there is an agenda to sort the lists for matches.

Interesting that CA DOJ's informal information sheet only mentions addiction to narcotics, rather than "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance'' which is the Federal law.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/prohibcatmisd.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/file/84311/download

[blues]

I suppose we should have online and newspaper lists for those:

Having an affair

Who have x number of dollars in investments

Drink more than one or two on their own time

Don't eat healthy

Owe money on their car

Didn't tip enough

Once said something rude to somebody

Pants make them look fat

etc etc etc


Where and when did America fall off the end of the dock?

What these people need is a wake-up kick in the ass.

[0ddl0t]

My county has not informed me, but my buddy told me Butte County just issued the same notice to its permit holders yesterday. I hope it is like similar public records requests that have revealed corrupt "pay to play" scams where otherwise unpermissive counties grant permits to wealthy donors: http://www.capoliticalreview.com/top-stories/trading-concealed-weapons-permits-for-campaign-donations/

But I fear the article will be a thinly veiled attempt to dox permit holders, like this article from Humboldt County years ago:

https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/on-the-cover-carry-concealed-weaponccw-permit-holders-humboldt-county/u/zoom/2180302/cvr-humboldt-ccws_.jpg
https://www.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/pistol-packing-people/Content?oid=2128075

[ranger]

I find this is ironic near the anniversary of Auschwitz - do these "elites" ever learn?

[RoyGBiv]

What these people need is an Educational Beat-Down.

FIFY

[blues]

I find this is ironic near the anniversary of Auschwitz - do these "elites" ever learn?

After Gov. Cuomo's antics both at home and at Auschwitz...I think we have our answer. (Don't worry, he'll protect us. :rolleyes:)

[Savage Hands]

Yeah this is not ok...

[Duces Tecum]

We don't know how this CCW doxing will turn out. We only know there are always consequences. Some currently "Shall Issue" states may be moved to Constitutional Carry. Those that don't could decide to honor nonresident CCWs from any state, meaning that in some situations residents of a doxable state could carry "grey" with an out-of-state license. The normal cesspits of the Left Coast and NE population centers will resist, of course but they do that now. Overall, the possibility exists for a minor but not totally insignificant net gain for our side and that's how change happens: on the margins.

And then there's NYSR&PA, in which I have expectations.

[Stephanie B]

The Lower Hudson Journal-News (or something) in NY did that several years ago. So some people found out the home addresses and phone numbers of the editors and reporters and published those on social media.

Oh, there was caterwauling about "you gun nuts have invaded our privacy", which almost nobody gave credence to.

So I would respectfully suggest doing that to the Chronicle.

[0ddl0t]

this is the supposed reporter requesting it: Here (https://twitter.com/joaquinpalomino)

From his prior articles, he seems like an ultra liberal anti law& order intellectual lightweight - precisely the sort of fellow you don't want doing an article on guns: https://muckrack.com/joaquin-palomino/portfolio

[SeriousStudent]

Texas passed statutes to prohibit precisely this sort of thing years ago. The local rag in Austin and another in Dallas pulled the same stunt. The state legislature acted (for them) relatively swiftly.

Probably since most of them have permits.

[CS Tactical]

"A message from Sheriff Barnes regarding updated information on a CCW Public Information Request:

I just spoke to representatives from The San Francisco Chronicle and was advised they are putting a “pause” on their request for information on permitted CCW holders. Staff at the Chronicle are discussing the topic to decide if they are going to proceed with their request for information. I want to thank our community for their support on this topic and for making your voices be heard. I will keep our community informed if anything changes in the coming days. Thank you."

[0ddl0t]

"A message from Sheriff Barnes regarding updated information on a CCW Public Information Request:

I just spoke to representatives from The San Francisco Chronicle and was advised they are putting a “pause” on their request for information on permitted CCW holders. Staff at the Chronicle are discussing the topic to decide if they are going to proceed with their request for information. I want to thank our community for their support on this topic and for making your voices be heard. I will keep our community informed if anything changes in the coming days. Thank you."


Good news.

Here is Butte county's letter to permit holders by the way:

https://i.imgur.com/LX1nR8l.jpg



A few years ago, the Redwood City Patch published the info of CCW holders. The reporters and staff were then doxxed by the gun community and apparently took the ensuing threats against them seriously enough to then pull the names down: https://patch.com/california/redwoodcity-woodside/which-neighbors-have-concealed-weapons-permits

[Joe in PNG]

I find this is ironic near the anniversary of Auschwitz - do these "elites" ever learn?

They usually don't. Even when the same Revolution they supported is lining them up against the wall, they don't believe it, right until the bullet hits.

[Bergeron]

I genuinely don’t know this: but is Personally Identifiable Information (PII) legally protected in any kind of a way from disclosures such as this?

I’ve worked enough jobs were PII was protected very seriously by government agencies that it surprises me that news organizations (or anyone, really) could demand PII and get it.

[0ddl0t]

SF Chronicle editor expresses outrage that her journalist's public records request was made... well... public:



In response to the sheriff’s decision to publicize the Chronicle’s request and to notify CCW permit holders, San Francisco Chronicle Editor In Chief Audrey Cooper issued the following statement:

“I am deeply disturbed by how some sheriffs have handled a routine request for public information from a respected and established news outlet. As a result, they have put our journalists in personal danger for their own political gain.

“It is a journalist’s job to investigate trends, and we do not intend on publishing personal information of private citizens. Unfortunately, the sheriffs sought to play up distrust in media when it became clear that they cannot deny access to public information.”

Cooper later added the newspaper would refine its Public Records Act request out of concern for their reporter’s safety. His name will be removed. Cooper will instead use her name in the Chronicle’s request for the data.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/ccw-permit-sutter-county-sheriff-alert-sf-chronicle/


The reporter's name and address has already been posted on Calguns, along with a link to one of his antigun articles: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Calls-for-gun-control-blame-for-Trump-follow-day-14279902.php

[mtnbkr]

I genuinely don’t know this: but is Personally Identifiable Information (PII) legally protected in any kind of a way from disclosures such as this?

I’ve worked enough jobs were PII was protected very seriously by government agencies that it surprises me that news organizations (or anyone, really) could demand PII and get it.

It depends a lot on context and what the subject was told when sharing that information with the processor. This is where Europe is far more aggressive than the US.

Chris

[Guerrero]

What were they going to use the CCW info for, then?!?

[Grey]

It depends a lot on context and what the subject was told when sharing that information with the processor. This is where Europe is far more aggressive than the US.

Chris100%

The Butte information wouldnt be considered PII because its just your name and then details about your ccw application. The US is super lax on this shit because some of our companies make billions selling off our information, cant do that with restrictive privacy laws in place.

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[mtnbkr]

SF Chronicle editor expresses outrage that her journalist's public records request was made... well... public:



In response to the sheriff’s decision to publicize the Chronicle’s request and to notify CCW permit holders, San Francisco Chronicle Editor In Chief Audrey Cooper issued the following statement:

“I am deeply disturbed by how some sheriffs have handled a routine request for public information from a respected and established news outlet. As a result, they have put our journalists in personal danger for their own political gain.

“It is a journalist’s job to investigate trends, and we do not intend on publishing personal information of private citizens. Unfortunately, the sheriffs sought to play up distrust in media when it became clear that they cannot deny access to public information.”

Cooper later added the newspaper would refine its Public Records Act request out of concern for their reporter’s safety. His name will be removed. Cooper will instead use her name in the Chronicle’s request for the data.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/ccw-permit-sutter-county-sheriff-alert-sf-chronicle/


The reporter's name and address has already been posted on Calguns, along with a link to one of his antigun articles: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Calls-for-gun-control-blame-for-Trump-follow-day-14279902.php

BS. If they're investigating trends, the don't need the personal details, merely counts (new, renewal, etc). They got caught trying to dox CCWs and are pissed off about it.

Chris

[HeavyDuty]

SF Chronicle editor expresses outrage that her journalist's public records request was made... well... public:



In response to the sheriff’s decision to publicize the Chronicle’s request and to notify CCW permit holders, San Francisco Chronicle Editor In Chief Audrey Cooper issued the following statement:

“I am deeply disturbed by how some sheriffs have handled a routine request for public information from a respected and established news outlet. As a result, they have put our journalists in personal danger for their own political gain.

“It is a journalist’s job to investigate trends, and we do not intend on publishing personal information of private citizens. Unfortunately, the sheriffs sought to play up distrust in media when it became clear that they cannot deny access to public information.”

Cooper later added the newspaper would refine its Public Records Act request out of concern for their reporter’s safety. His name will be removed. Cooper will instead use her name in the Chronicle’s request for the data.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/ccw-permit-sutter-county-sheriff-alert-sf-chronicle/


The reporter's name and address has already been posted on Calguns, along with a link to one of his antigun articles: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Calls-for-gun-control-blame-for-Trump-follow-day-14279902.php

Ms. Cooper is either ill informed or being disingenuous. There are numerous past cases of the fourth estate publishing CCL holder’s personally identifying information.

[Wondering Beard]

Ms. Cooper is either ill informed or being disingenuous.


Embrace the power of "and".

[blues]

Embrace the power of "and".

And there you have it.

[ssb]

My (now former) address was published by a local paper several years ago. I was less than amused.

Good for these Sheriffs. The "distrust in media" cited by that whiny, entitled fuckwit from the Chronicle is fueled by stunts like this. Whining about reporters' "safety" while seeking to publish the names and addresses of private citizens with valuable property in their homes is horseshit.

[Joe in PNG]

My (now former) address was published by a local paper several years ago. I was less than amused.

Good for these Sheriffs. The "distrust in media" cited by that whiny, entitled fuckwit from the Chronicle is fueled by stunts like this. Whining about reporters' "safety" while seeking to publish the names and addresses of private citizens with valuable property in their homes is horseshit.

There's the thing- the fact that the people with CCW permits are also people like they the reporters are people is lost on them. Treating people like you yourself want to be treated is pretty much a universal, along with the converse idea that other people can treat you in the exact same way you treat them.
Goose sauce, gander sauce, and all that.

[Savage Hands]

So when a victim of a violent crime who now has a CCW and has done their best to conceal their location has their information posted for everyone including the assailants and their associates to see that can turn ugly IMO.
The original reporter “JP” did a mild scrub of his online information which made it more difficult but far from impossible to find his information. He apparently doesn’t like to be doxed so he should understand that others do not like it as well.
Just because I have a CCW and JP wants to ‘out’ me for whatever reason, you potentially endanger my Wife and children. FTG!