Business Casual Carrying - My Experience and Help Requested!

[dickmadison]

Hello all,

I’m sure this has been discussed before, but I thought I might ask now with all the new products (both holsters and single stack 9mms) that have come out over the last few years.

I work in a business casual environment (mainly button down shirts (possibly a polo) & no sport jacket) and want to carry without any sign of being someone that carries. I wanted to hear your thoughts on what has worked for you.

For reference I’m 5’11, 175 pounds, 32 – 33 waist (depending on the day!)

My experience so far has been the following (all with a G26):
Galco ankle lite – this thing is heavy down there and very bulky. My dress pants have a noticeable bulge. No one ever noticed but I can definitely tell. Also, in meeting rooms (rooms set up with tables in a horse shoe shape – so you are seated across the room from people and see their ankles), when seated, your pants come up a bit and it was a very big concern. Also, it worked much better with black pants/socks than with brown pants/khaki because if it did drop low it blended in. That being said, I did use the calf strap to try to keep the damn thing from dropping too low on the ankle (which is uncomfortable.) This slightly worked but not really and didn’t solve the bulk problem.

Active Pro Gear Deep Concealment Holster – this is essentially a belly band but with “bra” like straps to keep it up under the arm pit instead of on the belly. This option worked ok. I always wear a white undershirt underneath button downs so it wasn’t up against skin. This is by no means a fast presentation. You can notice a little bulk of the G26 but if you didn’t know, it was probably fine…no one ever made me. This is a really hot (temperature) option in the summer time. It can be really hot and restricting and I really didn’t enjoy it at all in anything over 75 degree temperature. Also, you can’t wear white shirts because you can totally see through white shirts and see the “bra” straps.

Dale Fricke Zach holster (same concept as Raven Concealment Vanguard 1) – kydex trigger guard holster with string. I wore it AIWB. Benefits – I was able to wear a G26 AIWB to work. I had two and I matched the string to my belt and had the string right next to the belt loop and it was almost unidentifiable. The bad – a G26 is bulky AIWB (despite minimalist holster) in business attire. I had no problem with the grip above the waist band but it was noticeably bulky below. It was extremely uncomfortable as the thing would move around all the time and dig into my leg/groin. Going to the bathroom is a b*tch.

My conclusions so far – I love the idea of carrying a G26 business casual (as any other day I never have to tuck a shirt in and carry G19/G17 AIWB) but I’m beginning to think it is not going to work with my body type/comfort needs. I’m sorry, I am not one of those people that subscribe to dressing around the gun all the time. Not at work fine I can wear bigger clothes, but at work, no. If a tuckable holster has worked for you, I would love to hear about it but I’m still concerned with bulk and showing the loops (even a J hook). Educate me!

Other things I’ve considered: Smart Carry (concerned with bulk with business pants in that region) but I have no experience. Purchasing a single stack 9mm. I used to have a kel-tec pf-9 (really slim) but it would not work reliably and I sold it. I’m considering a Kahr CM9, Beretta Nano, S&W Shield, Walther PPS, (any others? I would prefer to stay with 9mm if possible - crap maybe i should just get an LCP and be done with it?).

Do any of you use one of those (or similar) in business casual? How is pocket carry in dress pants? What is your threshold? Is it doable? I’m thinking the Kahr or Nano would be the best choice for pocket carry as the shield is a little bigger.

Any experiences would be great (especially if you are of similar body type or share the same concerns I do).

Thanks!

[Ga Shooter]

I am sruggling with this topic as well so the only input I have is for your statement below. Hope better advice comes your way.



Other things I’ve considered: Smart Carry (concerned with bulk with business pants in that region)

Just say "Why.....Thank You very much"

[RoyGBiv]

Business casual for me tends to be an untucked shirt. Sometimes a 2-button pull over, sometimes a button down casual that's cut straight across the bottom, designed to be worn untucked. The untucked pullover is more casual, I have several button downs that go just fine with dress pants for a more "business" look while still being untucked. I've dressed like this.... forever... so when people see me dressed like this it's "just me", nothing unusual. I carry AIWB all day and nobody's the wiser. Texas is hot enough for this type of dress 9+ months a year. Nobody gives you the stink eye for going untucked here. If you are inclined to go untucked, concealed carry should be just as easy for you. Woolrich (http://www.woolrichelite.com/shirts.htm)and 5.11 both have some nice button down shirts that don't look "tacticool".

http://www.woolrichelite.com/images/products/eliteshortsleeveccwshirt.gif http://www.woolrichelite.com/images/products/shortsleeveccwshirt.gif

As for tuckable holsters and tucked shirts, I'll defer to others...

In my limited experience, there are a few good options to consider..
1. Use a gun belt and a tuckable holster made from the same color material
2. Velcro.... Gun belts and holsters can be mated with velcro ... See this page (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2637-JRC-s-Appendix-Holster/page4). The photos are near the bottom of the page.
--- I would never use a J-hook unless it was supplemented with velcro
--- I don't like J-hooks anyway, because the weight of the rig falls on the unsupported fabric of your pants... and ...
--- They come all the way off at the worst times... Just plain bad, IMO.
3. I use a smartcarry occasionally... typically with shorts, but sometimes with pants. I like it, it works for me. It's cheap. Give it a try.
4. Get creative with how you wear your belt.... Example... I have a clip-on holster I wear occasionally that has a very strong, thin, black steel clip. It's tuckable. LINK to Mr. Softy (http://highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/_Mr_Softy/_mr_softy.html). Occasionally, when I need to tuck, I'll wear this holster AIWB and I'll turn my belt around to the other side. When I lash the belt this way the tail extends to my right side (normally I wear it to the left). I can put on the holster, then cover the clip with the tail of my belt...
5. Buy shirts that are long enough to "blouse". Pull the tail of the shirt out just enough so that the shirt is still tucked, but the material is hanging out enough to cover your belt (and thus your holster loops) without being messy-looking. You'll need to practice reaching for things if you use this method. Reach too high and the bloused part tightens..

Hope some of that is helpful.... The real answer is.. Trial and error. What works for me won't necessarily work for you. What I think sucks for me might be the perfect answer for your needs.

[EMC]

One bit of advice for the working professional regarding carry. If you're starting a new job and wish to carry discretely, don't discuss your firearm related activities or interests with your co-workers unless it's a politically friendly environment to do so. I will never be able to carry at work because certain individuals know I'm one of those guys. Expectations are half the battle if you wish to be discrete. Some of my co-workers I shoot with, but others are on the other side. Next job I won't discuss this with anyone unless I know they are all part of the fold.

[JHC]

One bit of advice for the working professional regarding carry. If you're starting a new job and wish to carry discretely, don't discuss your firearm related activities or interests with your co-workers unless it's a politically friendly environment to do so. I will never be able to carry at work because certain individuals know I'm one of those guys. Expectations are half the battle if you wish to be discrete. Some of my co-workers I shoot with, but others are on the other side. Next job I won't discuss this with anyone unless I know they are all part of the fold.

Great advice right there.

[TGS]

One bit of advice for the working professional regarding carry. If you're starting a new job and wish to carry discretely, don't discuss your firearm related activities or interests with your co-workers unless it's a politically friendly environment to do so. I will never be able to carry at work because certain individuals know I'm one of those guys. Expectations are half the battle if you wish to be discrete. Some of my co-workers I shoot with, but others are on the other side. Next job I won't discuss this with anyone unless I know they are all part of the fold.

That's an excellent point. Thanks.

For the OP:

Consider a full tuckable holster instead of the Zach. If it has a proper amount of wedging to tuck the butt/grip in, you might be able to confidently conceal with a tucked in shirt. My ideas on this are to use a leather belt loop the same color as your belt as it's less conspicuous/bulky than a kydex belt loop. Then, if you wear a cell phone holster, place that over top or near (preferably covering) the belt loop of your holster. These are my thoughts on the subject, but I haven't been able to put it into practice yet. For this task, I've chosen JRC's AIWB which I haven't taken possession of yet.

JR also makes a half-loop for his holster with velcro mounted on it, and he can supply a dress belt with velcro on the back. This way, there's just about zero loop showing.

ETA: Click here (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?896-AIWB-holsters-a-pictorial-guide/page16) for pictures of JRC's AIWB with a tuckable loop installed. He's wearing an M&Pc underneath what appears to be a linen shirt.

[dickmadison]

As for tuckable holsters and tucked shirts, I'll defer to others...

In my limited experience, there are a few good options to consider..
2. Velcro.... Gun belts and holsters can be mated with velcro ... See this page (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2637-JRC-s-Appendix-Holster/page4). The photos are near the bottom of the page.
--- I would never use a J-hook unless it was supplemented with velcro
--- I don't like J-hooks anyway, because the weight of the rig falls on the unsupported fabric of your pants... and ...
--- They come all the way off at the worst times... Just plain bad, IMO.
3. I use a smartcarry occasionally... typically with shorts, but sometimes with pants. I like it, it works for me. It's cheap. Give it a try.
4. Get creative with how you wear your belt.... Example... I have a clip-on holster I wear occasionally that has a very strong, thin, black steel clip. It's tuckable. LINK to Mr. Softy (http://highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/_Mr_Softy/_mr_softy.html). Occasionally, when I need to tuck, I'll wear this holster AIWB and I'll turn my belt around to the other side. When I lash the belt this way the tail extends to my right side (normally I wear it to the left). I can put on the holster, then cover the clip with the tail of my belt...


Thank you for the thorough response.

I wish I could go untucked, as it would make things so much easier! If I move to a place where I can do that, it seems like you hit the nail on the head.

The above suggestions are really interesting and I will most certainly look into it. How never thought about option 4 that you provided is beyond me. Absolutely genius! Not sure how it will work yet, but I like the idea a lot.

[dickmadison]

Try the Smart Carry. It is less noticeable than you would expect, in my experience, and comfortable. You'd be surprised how many people aren't looking at your crotch. Disappointed, even.

I think I might have to try it. Hilarious post BTW!!!

[dickmadison]

One bit of advice for the working professional regarding carry. If you're starting a new job and wish to carry discretely, don't discuss your firearm related activities or interests with your co-workers unless it's a politically friendly environment to do so. I will never be able to carry at work because certain individuals know I'm one of those guys. Expectations are half the battle if you wish to be discrete. Some of my co-workers I shoot with, but others are on the other side. Next job I won't discuss this with anyone unless I know they are all part of the fold.

This really is great advice. Thank you. I had a interesting experience after I told a coworker of my hobby who then started ribbing me with crap about, how many guns do you have, do you have one on you now, etc. I didn't realize the can of worms I opened. I played it off saying, I just have a shotgun under the bed and use by buddy's stuff, and my favorite, "yeah, I got a machine gun in my pocket, watch out!". But, it was a pain in the butt for sure.

[EMC]

This really is great advice. Thank you. I had a interesting experience after I told a coworker of my hobby who then started ribbing me with crap about, how many guns do you have, do you have one on you now, etc. I didn't realize the can of worms I opened. I played it off saying, I just have a shotgun under the bed and use by buddy's stuff, and my favorite, "yeah, I got a machine gun in my pocket, watch out!". But, it was a pain in the butt for sure.

Yep, it's tempting to get into the discussions, but not worth it. Bad consequences if relationships turn sour.

[dickmadison]

Couldn't agree with you more EMC!

[jmjames]

One bit of advice for the working professional regarding carry. If you're starting a new job and wish to carry discretely, don't discuss your firearm related activities or interests with your co-workers unless it's a politically friendly environment to do so. I will never be able to carry at work because certain individuals know I'm one of those guys. Expectations are half the battle if you wish to be discrete. Some of my co-workers I shoot with, but others are on the other side. Next job I won't discuss this with anyone unless I know they are all part of the fold.

This applies to a HUGE swath of other things too. Apparently, my father/boss assumed that I was on steroids because I mentioned that I lift in a non-drug-tested federation. So nice to think that any disagreement at work is being viewed through the lens of "roid rage". It never occurred to me to put "firearms" on the list of "work-forbidden topics" but thanks for this, it's now on my list!

J.Ja

[Al T.]

As far as work discussions, (IMHO) never talk about religion, abortion, politics or any "hot button" topics.

OP, I am a huge fan of pocket carry for several reasons - ability to get step one of a four count draw completed with nobody knowing and (depending on firearm) very good conceal-ability. I'm looking forward to trying out a S&W Shield for this role and perhaps retiring my J frames.

[JV_]

As far as work discussions, (IMHO) never talk about religion, abortion, politics or any "hot button" topics.I agree. I would also add salary comparisons, nothing good comes from knowing what others around you are making.

[dickmadison]

OP, I am a huge fan of pocket carry for several reasons - ability to get step one of a four count draw completed with nobody knowing and (depending on firearm) very good conceal-ability. I'm looking forward to trying out a S&W Shield for this role and perhaps retiring my J frames.

I'm really considering pocket carry as it seems rather easy. At this point however, I am not sure which gun would be best for it. As I said, I would love to have a single stack 9mm (the Kahr CM9 being the smallest I think?)...but may have to go .380 if I choose the pocket carry route. Looking forward to hearing what you come up with.

[bdcheung]

I agree. I would also add salary comparisons, nothing good comes from knowing what others around you are making.

And your mortgage payment.

[jmjames]

As far as work discussions, (IMHO) never talk about religion, abortion, politics or any "hot button" topics.

OP, I am a huge fan of pocket carry for several reasons - ability to get step one of a four count draw completed with nobody knowing and (depending on firearm) very good conceal-ability. I'm looking forward to trying out a S&W Shield for this role and perhaps retiring my J frames.

I am going to be trying pocket carry on a P2000SK. I know, that's "huge" for pocket carry, but in my giant jeans it fits just fine, and I can pull it off in the front pocket too in pants suitable for an office environment (buying "big man" pants does have advantages). I usually carry my wallet in my front pocket so I'd be PC'ing in the rear pocket in jeans, and that has the added advantage of being exactly where a bad guy may be telling me to put my hands anyways...

J.Ja

[Yute]

JRC AIWB Holster with tuckable attachment, belt and tuckable mag pouch holding a M&P9c and full-sized 9mm M&P magazine. Shirt is not bloused (i.e. tucked in as tight as possible). Jim is coming out with a new tuckable attachment soon - I am holding off on a full review until it is released; however I have been very impressed with this setup.

http://i.imgur.com/FSLYo.jpg

[jmjames]

JRC AIWB Holster with tuckable attachment, belt and tuckable mag pouch holding a M&P9c and full-sized 9mm M&P magazine. Shirt is not bloused (i.e. tucked in as tight as possible). Jim is coming out with a new tuckable attachment soon - I am holding off on a full review until it is released; however I have been very impressed with this setup.

http://i.imgur.com/FSLYo.jpg

I'm impressed too! The only giveaway at all are the belt loops, and it isn't like you're hiding it with a monstrously huge shirt.

J.Ja

[Yute]

I'm impressed too! The only giveaway at all are the belt loops, and it isn't like you're hiding it with a monstrously huge shirt.

J.Ja

I've tried various tuckable holsters with low profile mounting options in the past (v-clips, c-clips, etc), but have come to accept the fact that given the choice between a sturdy mounting solution and full concealment, I will go with a sturdy mount. I really don't want the holster to break if I have to go into a retention situation. The JRC holster is a nice balance for me in this equation because the loop is extremely strong but at the same time looks like it is just part of the belt.

[bdcheung]

JRC AIWB Holster with tuckable attachment, belt and tuckable mag pouch holding a M&P9c and full-sized 9mm M&P magazine. Shirt is not bloused (i.e. tucked in as tight as possible). Jim is coming out with a new tuckable attachment soon - I am holding off on a full review until it is released; however I have been very impressed with this setup.

http://i.imgur.com/FSLYo.jpg

Are you using the offset attachment? Can you take the same shot with the holster exposed?

[Yute]

Are you using the offset attachment? Can you take the same shot with the holster exposed?

This is not with the offset adapter (I do not have it yet).

http://i.imgur.com/xsuYd.jpg

[jetfire]

I pocket carried for quite some time. It's not an ideal solution, but it certainly beats not having a gun with you at all. I actually prefer a .32 for pocket carry to .380 or a 9mm. Most of the slim 9s on the market won't fit in a pair of khakis, and none of the pocket .380s really blow my skirt up. I like the Sig P238 a lot, but other than that, pocket .380s aren't my bag.

I'm personally a big fan of the Beretta pocket guns, the .32 Tomcat being a favorite. If I had to go back to pocket carry, I'd get a Tomcat and some lasers for it.

[Yute]

A quick update to my holster situation - Jim from JRC Holsters sent out one of his new velcro attachments for me to try out. I added it to my tuckable attachment for my AIWB CDA holster within five minutes of receiving it in the mail - this is definitely one of the more modular leather holsters out on the market at this time.

http://i.imgur.com/ZxvoN.jpg

Coupled with a 1.5 inch velcro backed belt, the attachment essentially disappears, which makes it another option for those seeking the lowest possible profile belt attachment system.

http://i.imgur.com/m2qhr.jpg

As I have previously mentioned, I am not a huge fan of velcro attachments, mainly due to their lack of stability. However, this particular attachment is one of the more stable velcro mounts I have encountered. Compared to the various other v-clips, the JRC velcro attachment has the largest amount of velcro hook material I have seen - by at least 2 to 2.5 times.

http://i.imgur.com/PP7PS.jpg

For an AIWB holster, which typically has only one attachment point, I would prefer to have as much velcro material as possible to maximize the stability of the holster. The JRC velcro attachment, particularly when worn tightly with a belt, accomplishes this.

The various belt attachments for holsters are always going to be a balance between strength and concealability. I personally think I will stay with a conventional tuckable loop as it suits my needs well - but for those that require the maximum amount of concealment possible, this may be an attractive option for you.

As a disclaimer: I have no financial ties with JRC Holsters, aside from being a paying customer.

[Super J]

Yute
Thanks for the update and pics with the Velcro attachments.

How is the draw from the holster? Did the holster take a bit of time to break in? Some leather holsters take forever to break in giving the feeling that the pistol is stuck inside it, so I'm checking to see what your experience was.

Thanks

[Yute]

Yute

How is the draw from the holster? Did the holster take a bit of time to break in? Some leather holsters take forever to break in giving the feeling that the pistol is stuck inside it, so I'm checking to see what your experience was.

Thanks

I broke in the holster with a light coat of vegetable oil and several dozen reps as per the instruction from JRC. Its draw became smooth after about 2 days. Right now it feels great, and has that nice balance between retention and smoothness.

[Chipster]

I am having alot of issues with this very issue right now. I have left the drug enforcement world for a more refined (read more boring) life as a regular (less special) everyday small town detective. My Chief would prefer me to wear shirt and ties and an occasional polo shirt and khakis. While I would much rather be wearing cargo shorts and t-shirts preferably with sandals. I have tried to state that as I do not carry a Taser, hand cuffs, pepper spray, and often times no radio, that I should be allowed to conceal my firearms by means of cargo pants and an untucked button up shirt. I have yet to find a set that looks classy enough for him though. I am thinking about buying a Comp-Tac CTAC and trying that out so we will see.

[HeadHunter]

My Chief would prefer me to wear shirt and ties and an occasional polo shirt and khakis. While I would much rather be wearing cargo shorts and t-shirts preferably with sandals. I have tried to state that as I do not carry a Taser, hand cuffs, pepper spray, and often times no radio, that I should be allowed to conceal my firearms by means of cargo pants and an untucked button up shirt. I have yet to find a set that looks classy enough for him though.

Welcome to the NPE.

[dickmadison]

I am having alot of issues with this very issue right now. I have left the drug enforcement world for a more refined (read more boring) life as a regular (less special) everyday small town detective. My Chief would prefer me to wear shirt and ties and an occasional polo shirt and khakis. While I would much rather be wearing cargo shorts and t-shirts preferably with sandals. I have tried to state that as I do not carry a Taser, hand cuffs, pepper spray, and often times no radio, that I should be allowed to conceal my firearms by means of cargo pants and an untucked button up shirt. I have yet to find a set that looks classy enough for him though. I am thinking about buying a Comp-Tac CTAC and trying that out so we will see.

Chipster, What are you trying to conceal? Can you pick what gun you want? I am not sure if you are have as strict as requirements as me as I work in a place where I can't show anything. Even if you went tuckable, the clips that are showable are probably not a big deal for you as you have a badge. I'm on the extreme of business casual concealment.

[45Shooter]

I wear a iWB strong side everyday I have at least two holsters for each of my guns so about 8+ holsters my favorites are my Rosen for my CW45 very comfy and my Galko king Tuk very comfy also the king Tuk is completely for tucking those shirts in all you see is the very inconspicuous clips I wear it all day 16-18 hours at a time and I don't know it's there. My wife pats my side to see if I'm carrying I don't know why I always am. She can't tell and she knows. My Galco is for my G30SF but my Kahr CW45 fits in it very well to I'm 6' 260# and IWB works well for me. I tried putting my cell phone on over the clips that makes to much bulk right where you don't want it. But no one notices the clips especially with a black belt. A good gun belt makes a world of difference it is much more support for the gun and your pants it is really mandatory for carrying. My EDC is my CW45 in my Mitch Rosen IWB very comfy rig.
That's just my experience I hope it helps you. I do live in MN so my climate is cooler than the south but I don't wear a coat but 3 months of the year.

[David Armstrong]

I have ended up going with a multi-stage approach. Most days I use an IWB with a G19 but rather than tuck in a polo I wear the polos that come with the banded bottoms. That way I can use my usual IWB instead of dealing with a tuckable style. For stage two, when I can't do that I go with a small gun (either a Beretta 21 or a S&W 642) in a pocket holster and the larger gun in a dayrunner-type carrier in my briefcase.

[VELO]

I am thinking about buying a Comp-Tac CTAC and trying that out so we will see.

Hey Chipster. If you're working with the Glock 9/40 platform I'd be happy to loan you my CTAC to try out. Let me know.

[Super J]

Hey Chipster. If you're working with the Glock 9/40 platform I'd be happy to loan you my CTAC to try out. Let me know.

Here is a prime example of how great this forum is. Members looking out for each other and sharing gear based in trust etc.

Sorry to go off topic, as I just dropped back in from another board where the folks there just aren't as pleasant.

[Yute]

Are you using the offset attachment? Can you take the same shot with the holster exposed?

Jim sent me his offset adapter this week - it is a great addition and makes the holster's overall width thinner. I am using here with a tuckable loop.

http://i.imgur.com/khvMo.jpg

The offset adapter contours around my waist very nicely, which results in added comfort and concealment. Note that the holster's tuck pad also does a great job keeping the pistol's grip tight into my abdomen.

http://i.imgur.com/xv0pE.jpg

While I'm still putting this configuration through its paces, I think this will become my favorite setup as it offers the best balance between stability, retention, and concealment for me. Even wearing a regular dress shirt seems to work very well with this holster.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWRHimabTFc

[MDS]

While I'm still putting this configuration through its paces, I think this will become my favorite setup as it offers the best balance between stability, retention, and concealment for me. Even wearing a regular dress shirt seems to work very well with this holster.

I've had this holster for a couple of weeks and I feel the same way. I'm still experimenting to find the perfect configuration for me. For example, the tuckable loop plus the offset puts the bottom of the loop's kydex so that it digs into my thigh. Is that not an issue for you?

Awesome holster! But I've noticed a gradual shift in my personal dress code away from tucked-in shirts. Even with a perfect holster, a tucked shirt brings slower draws, many fumbles, awkward practice and torn up shirts. Still, sometimes you just have to tuck, andit's nice to use the same holster either way...

[Yute]

I've had this holster for a couple of weeks and I feel the same way. I'm still experimenting to find the perfect configuration for me. For example, the tuckable loop plus the offset puts the bottom of the loop's kydex so that it digs into my thigh. Is that not an issue for you?


It doesn't seem to be an issue for me - none of the kydex contacts my thigh even when I am seated. Unless I try and touch my toes the kydex will not touch my thighs - luckily I'm not bending over too much everyday :p. The space between the holster and the kydex seems to be great enough to prevent contact with my thigh. The tuck pad I have in place also keeps the bottom of the holster angled away from my thigh . It might be my body type as I am 5'6'' and around 140 pounds so my thighs are not large. I'm guessing that a potential solution for you would be to lower the ride height (I prefer a high ride height), add a larger tuck pad, or get a shorter the tuckable loop. Have talked to Jim about it? He is super responsive and very open to suggestions.

Edit to add: I am also wearing the holster as close to centerline as possible - this might be a factor for you.

[MDS]

Have talked to Jim about it? He is super responsive and very open to suggestions. [...]

Edit to add: I am also wearing the holster as close to centerline as possible - this might be a factor for you.

Totally, Jim has been awesome. I've been traveling a lot and haven't had much time to experiment. Wearing it centerline with the offset turns awkward, since my belly pushes the gun down and the offset allows it to rotate. Been shedding the belly slowly over the last couple of months, so hopefully that won't be a problem forever.

In any case, this holster is so adaptable, it seems like it'll just take some experimenting to get it just right...

[JRCHolsters]

Just a quick thought Mario. Try putting some grip tape on the front of the extender near the screws that mount to the holster. This may help keep the holster from sliding down.

[jon volk]

To bring this back from the dead, after experimenting with a few different methods for awhile, I've found the best solution for me was sweaters. There are a plethora of "stylish" sweaters these days and in the pic below a g17 is tucked away AIWB. For a dressier version just add collared shirt and dress pants. I just couldn't do the tuckable holster thing.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/13/7a3u6azy.jpg

[JFK]

A PPS with a vanguard is my new favorite thing. I wear it with a suite and event without a jacket no one notices. I take the para cord and make sure the tail of the belt covers it and no one ever knows.

[98z28]

Another option is the JJ Racazza FIVE-O holster (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1529-JJ-Racaza-holster-seen-it).


Pros:


It works well for carrying a large gun discretely. I am carrying a P30 in the below pictures.

The draw is fast, with practice. Much faster than any tucked solution I have tried.


Both of the above require the right pants. The pants need to ride above the hips and be relatively lightweight material. The holster has a large plastic front section that hides any hint of a gun outline, but requires a lot of material to cover it and not look strange. Low rise pants will not work with this holster, unless you are a giant (for reference I am 5'11", 165lbs). To draw, you must push the muzzle up far enough to get the grip over your belt line. Note in the last picture how far up I had to push the muzzle to have a decent amount of grip above the belt line. It helps if the pants can move with the muzzle. A thick material, like denim, makes this is hard to do.


Cons:


The trigger guard is not covered on the body side. I would not want to carry a gun with a short trigger travel. I tried an M&P compact with thumb safety, but found that the thumb safety was consistently disengaged while in the holster. My body rubbing against the gun was enough to flip the safety off. Not cool. A DAO, DA/SA, or LEM trigger is needed for this system, IMHO.

The only thing keeping the gun in the holster is the tension between your pants and your body. It takes some experimenting to get this right. If you cinch the belt down too tight, it will force the holster below the belt and make the draw nearly impossible. Keep the belt too loose, and there is not enough tension to keep the gun from walking out of the holster. Once you find the sweet spot, it works great. But it takes some experimenting with an empty gun to get it right. I can run and play rough with my kids without any trouble.

Despite JJ's awesomeness in the video demonstration, this thing really requires a two-handed draw. Once you push the grip above the belt line, there is nothing keeping it place. If your hand is not indexed and ready to catch the grip, you could have some problems. At best, the grip will rotate down to your belt and make a full grip difficult. At worst, it will rotate forward and the entire gun drops to the deck. You really need to set your strong hand first and then push the gun into your hand to get a consistent draw.
Any grip enhancements (e.g. rubber grips, grip tape, CTC laser grips, etc.) make drawing the gun nearly impossible. Half of the gun is against the smooth plastic of the holster, but the other half of the gun is pressed against clothing. Anything on the grip that makes it stick to clothing will keep the gun from popping out of the holster like it should.
It does not work well with fitted clothing, if your environment requires such. You will need a little extra room in your pants. I generally wear a 34" pant, but had to bump up to 36" waist to accommodate the holster. No news here for anyone that is already carrying IWB. This is fine with slacks, but there is not enough room in my tailored suits for this holster. It does not matter if you use a single stack or a double stack gun. The thickness of the holster is the problem.



This holster reverses the typical concealment problem with handguns. Usually, the barrel length is not important as far as concealment goes, but grip length is. In this case, the grip length is not important, but barrel length matters a great deal. Centering the holster on your body means that the muzzle is right above, or right on top of, the family jewels. I started out with a Sig P226 in this holster. Hiding the grip was not an issue, but the muzzle would crush my left nut if I wasn't careful when sitting. That experiment didn't last long. Next up was an M&Pc with thumb safety using full size mags. The form factor was perfect for this holster, but my body would consistently disengage the safety. That experiment also didn't last long. Next up was the P30, which is right at the edge of what can work for me. The barrel is just short enough to not crush my boys, and the grip is not a problem to conceal. If you are taller, I would imaging you could get away with a longer muzzle.



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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/Untitled-1-2.jpg

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[bdcheung]

Another option is the JJ Racazza FIVE-O holster

you can add "It's not listed on the website" as a con.

The whole "Products" section was removed on September 21, 2012.

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[98z28]

Doh! That is a slight problem...

[Super J]

Another option is the JJ Racazza FIVE-O holster (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1529-JJ-Racaza-holster-seen-it).


Pros:


It works well for carrying a large gun discretely. I am carrying a P30 in the below pictures.

The draw is fast, with practice. Much faster than any tucked solution I have tried.


Both of the above require the right pants. The pants need to ride above the hips and be relatively lightweight material. The holster has a large plastic front section that hides any hint of a gun outline, but requires a lot of material to cover it and not look strange. Low rise pants will not work with this holster, unless you are a giant (for reference I am 5'11", 165lbs). To draw, you must push the muzzle up far enough to get the grip over your belt line. Note in the last picture how far up I had to push the muzzle to have a decent amount of grip above the belt line. It helps if the pants can move with the muzzle. A thick material, like denim, makes this is hard to do.


Cons:


The trigger guard is not covered on the body side. I would not want to carry a gun with a short trigger travel. I tried an M&P compact with thumb safety, but found that the thumb safety was consistently disengaged while in the holster. My body rubbing against the gun was enough to flip the safety off. Not cool. A DAO, DA/SA, or LEM trigger is needed for this system, IMHO.

The only thing keeping the gun in the holster is the tension between your pants and your body. It takes some experimenting to get this right. If you cinch the belt down too tight, it will force the holster below the belt and make the draw nearly impossible. Keep the belt too loose, and there is not enough tension to keep the gun from walking out of the holster. Once you find the sweet spot, it works great. But it takes some experimenting with an empty gun to get it right. I can run and play rough with my kids without any trouble.

Despite JJ's awesomeness in the video demonstration, this thing really requires a two-handed draw. Once you push the grip above the belt line, there is nothing keeping it place. If your hand is not indexed and ready to catch the grip, you could have some problems. At best, the grip will rotate down to your belt and make a full grip difficult. At worst, it will rotate forward and the entire gun drops to the deck. You really need to set your strong hand first and then push the gun into your hand to get a consistent draw.
Any grip enhancements (e.g. rubber grips, grip tape, CTC laser grips, etc.) make drawing the gun nearly impossible. Half of the gun is against the smooth plastic of the holster, but the other half of the gun is pressed against clothing. Anything on the grip that makes it stick to clothing will keep the gun from popping out of the holster like it should.
It does not work well with fitted clothing, if your environment requires such. You will need a little extra room in your pants. I generally wear a 34" pant, but had to bump up to 36" waist to accommodate the holster. No news here for anyone that is already carrying IWB. This is fine with slacks, but there is not enough room in my tailored suits for this holster. It does not matter if you use a single stack or a double stack gun. The thickness of the holster is the problem.



This holster reverses the typical concealment problem with handguns. Usually, the barrel length is not important as far as concealment goes, but grip length is. In this case, the grip length is not important, but barrel length matters a great deal. Centering the holster on your body means that the muzzle is right above, or right on top of, the family jewels. I started out with a Sig P226 in this holster. Hiding the grip was not an issue, but the muzzle would crush my left nut if I wasn't careful when sitting. That experiment didn't last long. Next up was an M&Pc with thumb safety using full size mags. The form factor was perfect for this holster, but my body would consistently disengage the safety. That experiment also didn't last long. Next up was the P30, which is right at the edge of what can work for me. The barrel is just short enough to not crush my boys, and the grip is not a problem to conceal. If you are taller, I would imaging you could get away with a longer muzzle.



http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/Untitled-9.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/Untitled-1-2.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/Untitled-2-1.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/IMG_3202.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd128/stelks98z28/Post/Untitled-10.jpg


Thanks for the write up as I was very interested in this holster when I first spotted it.