NICS delay & FBI UPIN

[EricG]

My last 4 consecutive transfers at the FFL has resulted in a delay pending further investigation.
Approximately 3 years ago I had a couple back to back and it caused me to do some digging. Come to find out, some turd with the same name AND DOB!!! (What are the chances of that???) has a very long record of B&E's, assault, etc.

I always get the green light within a day or two but it frustrating and I'm used to walking out same day with my goods.

I'm considering getting a UPIN. I am looking to hear from those who has gone ahead and obtained one. What has been your experience afterwards?

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[Stephanie B]

My last 4 consecutive transfers at the FFL has resulted in a delay pending further investigation.
Approximately 3 years ago I had a couple back to back and it caused me to do some digging. Come to find out, some turd with the same name AND DOB!!! (What are the chances of that???) has a very long record of B&E's, assault, etc.

I always get the green light within a day or two but it frustrating and I'm used to walking out same day with my goods.

I'm considering getting a UPIN. I am looking to hear from those who has gone ahead and obtained one. What has been your experience afterwards?


Do you put down your SSN on the 4473?

[EricG]

Do you put down your SSN on the 4473?Yes, I do.

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[Stephanie B]

Do you put down your SSN on the 4473?Yes, I do.

Odd. I would have thought that would have been enough.

[EricG]

Odd. I would have thought that would have been enough.Exactly what I thought. That should be my "UPIN".



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[Borderland]

I used get delayed for several days almost every time. I have a very common name. So common that I was on a no fly list after 911. I sought to rectify that but was told by a person who worked for DHS that no matter what I did it wouldn't speed anything up. So I did nothing but resign myself to the fact that I was a suspect in a database that would always have to be cleared.

UPIN may speed things up but it's my understanding that the check is archived and not scrubbed in 48 hours or whatever the time period is. I think it becomes a permanent record in an FBI database. This is from 4473.


Question 9. Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN): For transferees/
buyers approved to have information maintained about them in the FBI NICS
Voluntary Appeal File, NICS will provide them with a UPIN, which the transferee/
buyer should record in question 9. The licensee should provide the UPIN when
conducting background checks through the NICS or the State POC.


If you can live with that I suppose it might be worth it.

My situation is I'm going to wait no matter what so nothing for me to think about. Took the county sheriff about 10 days to give me my last proceed.

[deputyG23]

My instant checks would take anywhere from three to nearly 24 hours until I got a state CHP here in VA.
There was a man in my county who has the same exact name as I who was served a protective order about 25 years ago when I was a civil deputy.
My Sergeant at the time called me into his office and asked me if everything was OK at home. He was relieved that it was not me.
Since getting the CHP, the approvals take about thirty minutes.

[mtnbkr]

From the time I started buying guns in the late 90s until now, I almost always get delayed 45min due to sharing a name with a felon in Texas. I even include my SSN. Occasionally I don't get delayed (can count that on one hand with fingers left over), but when I do, it's 45mins.

Chris

[HeavyDuty]

My last 4 consecutive transfers at the FFL has resulted in a delay pending further investigation.
Approximately 3 years ago I had a couple back to back and it caused me to do some digging. Come to find out, some turd with the same name AND DOB!!! (What are the chances of that???) has a very long record of B&E's, assault, etc.

I always get the green light within a day or two but it frustrating and I'm used to walking out same day with my goods.

I'm considering getting a UPIN. I am looking to hear from those who has gone ahead and obtained one. What has been your experience afterwards?

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For the last few years I’ve had the same problem - an asshole with the same name and DOB as me. I usually clear within three or four days.


Do you put down your SSN on the 4473?

There is no way I’m putting my SSN on a document that is being stored at a private business.

[Borderland]

There is no way I’m putting my SSN on a document that is being stored at a private business.

I've often wondered about the records (4473's) that a FFL holder keeps. If that information gets stolen a lot of people are going to have a problem with identity theft. Best not to provide that to anyone, especially if you don't have to. It's bad enough that people can steal your credit and debit card information. That has to cost the banking industry billions every year.

[blues]

I've often wondered about the records (4473's) that a FFL holder keeps. If that information gets stolen a lot of people are going to have a problem with identity theft. Best not to provide that to anyone, especially if you don't have to. It's bad enough that people can steal your credit and debit card information. That has to cost the banking industry billions every year.

Uncle Sam has already shared all my info with the world, I no longer have to worry.

[Borderland]

Uncle Sam has already shared all my info with the world, I no longer have to worry.

Yeah, they seem to have a problem with so called "secure" data. They probably wish now they had never threatened with a draft notice. ;)

[Stephanie B]

I've often wondered about the records (4473's) that a FFL holder keeps. If that information gets stolen a lot of people are going to have a problem with identity theft. Best not to provide that to anyone, especially if you don't have to. It's bad enough that people can steal your credit and debit card information. That has to cost the banking industry billions every year.

I rely on the wisdom that stealing the identities of people known to own guns is a bad idea.

[HCM]

Do you put down your SSN on the 4473?


Yes, I do.

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Odd. I would have thought that would have been enough.

People put down wrong, fake or stolen SSNs all the time and it’s not uncommon to see multiple SSN listed on RAP sheets.

The vetting process for issuing UPINs are based on fingerprints rather than just alphanumeric criteria. You get printed on blue (civil) print cards and your prints are run against the prints in the criminal indices. If your prints don’t match a prohibited person record you get a UPIN. The UPIN matches to your fingerprints like the FBI number of a RAP Sheet.

[Borderland]

People put down wrong, fake or stolen SSNs all the time and it’s not uncommon to see multiple SSN listed on RAP sheets.

The vetting process for issuing UPINs are based on fingerprints rather than just alphanumeric criteria. You get printed on blue (civil) print cards and your prints are run against the prints in the criminal indices. If your prints don’t match a prohibited person record you get a UPIN. The UPIN matches to your fingerprints like the FBI number of a RAP Sheet.

Wouldn't it be great if all you had to do is get fingerprinted and then scanned every time you purchased a firearm? Save a lot of time and money filling out forms and shuffling paperwork.

[HCM]

Wouldn't it be great if all you had to do is get fingerprinted and then scanned every time you purchased a firearm? Save a lot of time and money filling out forms and shuffling paperwork.

Not necessarily. Not everyone wants the government having their bio-metrics and fingerprint scan and search tech is expensive. You think NICS is bad wait till the fingerprint database goes down, and it does.....

[Borderland]

Not necessarily. Not everyone wants the government having their bio-metrics and fingerprint scan and search tech is expensive. You think NICS is bad wait till the fingerprint database goes down, and it does.....

NIC's isn't in the picture for me anymore. It's the county sheriff that runs the check. They take as long as they want. I can vote by mail tho, that happens PDQ. :D

[HCM]

NIC's isn't in the picture for me anymore. It's the county sheriff that runs the check. They take as long as they want. I can vote by mail tho, that happens PDQ. :D

That is a WA state issue. Not really relevant to UPIN.

[Borderland]

That is a WA state issue. Not really relevant to UPIN.

I know. Just trying to put this delay into perspective as many states have BC's and wait periods not associated with NICS, although they use NICS.

[revchuck38]

People put down wrong, fake or stolen SSNs all the time and it’s not uncommon to see multiple SSN listed on RAP sheets.

The vetting process for issuing UPINs are based on fingerprints rather than just alphanumeric criteria. You get printed on blue (civil) print cards and your prints are run against the prints in the criminal indices. If your prints don’t match a prohibited person record you get a UPIN. The UPIN matches to your fingerprints like the FBI number of a RAP Sheet.

This. I had to get a UPIN about ten years ago when I was denied on a NICS check. Seems some dirtbag had - or just used - the same name and DOB that I have. I had to get fingerprinted again, send the cards in and wait. Current law in Louisiana is that one's CHL meets the requirement for a background check, so things go more quickly now.

[HeavyDuty]

Unfortunately IL doesn’t use UPINs, so delay, delay, delay...

[deputyG23]

My instant checks would take anywhere from three to nearly 24 hours until I got a state CHP here in VA.
There was a man in my county who has the same exact name as I who was served a protective order about 25 years ago when I was a civil deputy.
My Sergeant at the time called me into his office and asked me if everything was OK at home. He was relieved that it was not me.
Since getting the CHP, the approvals take about thirty minutes.

Until today. Took three hours to get approved for an inexpensive used Savage M10 .308 boltgun.
Store clerk told me that there were only three VSP personnel doing approvals statewide.
Fredericksburg gun show two miles away was packed and people were definitely buying.

[Borderland]

Until today. Took three hours to get approved for an inexpensive used Savage M10 .308 boltgun.
Store clerk told me that there were only three VSP personnel doing approvals statewide.
Fredericksburg gun show two miles away was packed and people were definitely buying.

You're going to get a UBC with a state BC (VFTP). It's trending. Nothing to worry about. Just settle in for a very long wait.