Shadow Systems MR920

[Tokarev]

This is just announced and is based on feedback from owners of the MR918. Does it warrant a new thread?

The 920 is more or less a 2.0 version of the 918. Still based on the G19, it has been tweaked to address a few key points.

The beavertail is slightly elongated with a slightly different profile. Apparently a few people were still getting slide bite. I have to wonder if the slight upward angle will help with friction. My 918 will rub a hot spot on the web of my shooting hand after repeated draws. Maybe the slight upward angle will keep my hand from rubbing as I come in on the draw stroke.

Also, the slide release has been reshaped to prevent the same people from bumping it with the palm of the support hand.

There are additional changes to the overall style of the pistol. The frame now has a more defined ridge for indexing the trigger finger and/or to rest the support thumb against while shooting. The front slide profile is reduced to aid in reholstering and the sights are slightly taller to better cowitness when using a red dot.

The biggest change is the redesign of the extractor plunger. It is shorter and no longer comes out the back. This means longer screws can be used to secure a red dot. It also allows for several sets of holes to be drilled to accommodate the RMR, Deltapoint and a few other sights without using an adapter plate.

Shadow Systems had been rumored to be releasing a new pistol for SHOT. I had totally been expecting some type of G17 offshoot. I do find it interesting that they're making an updated 918 in such a short timespan. Seems most companies don't launch a 2.0 until after the 1.0 quits selling...

I wonder what'll happen with the 918. Will it be discontinued or will it continue alongside the 920?

I've been quite pleased with my MR918 and plan on getting a 920 as soon as they ship.

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[Tokarev]

A couple more pics. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/e2838fa536f55cc568a976922bbc7a06.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/e8f75d7831b3baace59145c1ac3a5882.jpg

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[Tokarev]

http://soldiersystems.net/2020/01/20/shadow-systems-releases-new-compact-multi-role-mr920-9mm-pistol/

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[WobblyPossum]

That’s what I get for buying an MR918 a couple of months ago. You’re all welcome.

ETA: I wonder if it’s still compatible with the Gadget. I’m guessing not due to the shape of the rear of the slide.

[Tokarev]

That’s what I get for buying an MR918 a couple of months ago. You’re all welcome.

ETA: I wonder if it’s still compatible with the Gadget. I’m guessing not due to the shape of the rear of the slide.I don't know for sure yet but it is my understanding the only parts that are different are those for the extractor plunger. Hopefully that is correct and the Gizmo will fit.

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[WobblyPossum]

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Zoomed in on this from Instagram. The slide cover plate looks curved to match the contour of the slide.

ETA: Shadow Systems replied when I asked on Instagram. They also don’t think it’s Gadget compatible due to how it was redesigned. I’ll be sticking with my MR918.

[Tokarev]

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Zoomed in on this from Instagram. The slide cover plate looks curved to match the contour of the slide.

ETA: Shadow Systems replied when I asked on Instagram. They also don’t think it’s Gadget compatible due to how it was redesigned. I’ll be sticking with my MR918.Thanks for checking that for us.

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[Xhado]

I wonder what'll happen with the 918. Will it be discontinued or will it continue alongside the 920?



The just started to sell the "War Poet" for John Lovel which is a slightly modified 918. So you most likely see regular 918s still available.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/the-war-poet-semi-automatic-9mm-45-threaded-barrel-151-rounds?a=2221719&trackid=warriorpoet_1.10.20_spiff1_1

[Tokarev]

The just started to sell the "War Poet" for John Lovel which is a slightly modified 918. So you most likely see regular 918s still available.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/the-war-poet-semi-automatic-9mm-45-threaded-barrel-151-rounds?a=2221719&trackid=warriorpoet_1.10.20_spiff1_1Interesting that the War Poet, being a brand new release, isn't on the 920.

The skeptic in me wonders if they aren't trying to use up leftover 918 parts...

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[Tokarev]

Lifted from the Shadow Systems website:

The MR920 Elite is our top of the line pistol. This handgun incorporates everything we know about pistol design.
The compact-sized MR920 Elite took its inspiration from its predecessor, the MR918 Elite. The DNA of the pistol is the same as the MR918, but there have been some significant changes to the features and function which make this pistol work for more people.

The MR920 features Shadow Systems new patent pending optic mounting system.
The biggest news in this release is our new patent pending optic cut. By redesigning internal slide components, we relocated portions of the operating system allowing three key attributes:

The strongest, deepest screw placement in the industry

Direct mounting of several brands without intervening adapter plates

Extremely low optic placement permitting most optics to co-witness with typical iron sights

No past designs have combined all three of these game-changing attributes. The MR920 optic cut accommodates Trijicon RMR and SRO, Holosun 507c and 508t, Leupold Deltapoint Pro, Vortex Viper, and TruGlo Tru-Tec. The system will likely accommodate additional brands and optics; testing for optic compatibility is still ongoing. The new system provides versatility without compromise and even exceeds the strength of past Shadow Systems mounts that had a dedicated Trijicon RMR footprint machined into the slide.

The MR918 set a new benchmark for low recoil and controllability in rapid fire. The MR920 draws many of its design queues from the MR918, but the dust cover now includes a recoil control ledge for the support hand thumb. This control point further reduces muzzle flip in rapid fire. The frame of the MR920 continues to feature the NPOA backstrap system which adjusts the ANGLE of the backstrap to match the shooter’s natural point of aim. The pistol system includes three backstraps, a removable magazine well, and a backstrap removal tool for your convenience.

Our frame is a ground up Shadow Systems design, not a rebrand of another frame already on the market. Our tooling uses new technology to wrap more texture around the curves of the frame and put grip in places not normally seen on production guns.

The slide and barrel are machined in-house in Plano, TX. Barrels are 1-10″ conventionally rifled 416R stainless steel. Our bronze color barrels are coated in super hard Titanium Carbo-nitride or DLC. Slides are machined from 17-4 PH stainless steel and coated in DLC.
Slides feature front and rear directional serrations. Elite models also feature window cuts, top serrations, and additional slide machining. These serrations provide excellent traction when manipulating the slide, but are relatively frictionless when drawing the pistol from a holster. The MR920 features deeply recessed front serrations and corner chamfers. This thinned front profile gives greater control and reduces the difficulty of inserting the pistol into a holster, particularly a partially collapsed IWB holster.

Our pistols are built for reliability and performance first. Our triggers are improved over a stock trigger, but leave internal safeties fully intact and use stock weight springs. You can expect smooth take-up and a super crisp break at 4.0-4.5 lbs.



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[awp_101]

Lifted from the Shadow Systems website:

The strongest, deepest screw placement in the industry
Ron Jeremy begs to differ...


Sorry, I just can't help myself sometimes....

[Texaspoff]

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I'm not to sure about the new design. I really like the MR918 and it has some advantages in the event you have a parts failure. Glock parts will fit in a pinch and get you back up and running.

I understand they wanted to design the pistol like their own, rather than just improving on the Glock design, but becoming more proprietary isn't always a good thing.

I'm gonna stick with the MR918 for now, or until they stop producing it.

FWIW I never had any holster fitments issues, including duty holsters. Everything I use is Kydex specifically for the 19, and my MR fits just fine in all of them. The MR918 beavertail worked perfectly for me and others I know with them. I am wondering if this new extended and upswept one is going to cause clearance issues with Safariland ALS hoods.

I do like the beveling, but not reducing the slide width in the front. I also like the new slide release design, but that about it for me.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

I'm not to sure about the new design...Glock parts will fit in a pinch and get you back up and running.

I understand they wanted to design the pistol like their own, rather than just improving on the Glock design, but becoming more proprietary isn't always a good thing.




TXPO

I tend to agree that departing from the traditional design isn't necessarily the best approach especially when the aftermarket is flooded with pretty much any conceivable replacement part. With that said, I am interested in the red dot mounting solution. If I can mount and/or change optics without buying adapter plates it should be a good thing. Also, it is my understanding that the extractor is unchanged so parts commonality shouldn't really be impacted. That's just a guess at this point since I haven't seen one of the new guns yet.

In the meantime, here's a video from the SHOT media day:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKAz5s_S-oU

[WobblyPossum]

MR918s are on sale at Sportsman’s Outdoor Superstore for lower than I’ve ever seen. Maybe they are being phased out for the MR920.

[Tokarev]

Additional SHOT coverage:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/22/truly-shootable-tactical-pistol-shadow-systems-shows-its-new-take.html

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[Tokarev]

but becoming more proprietary isn't always a good thing.

I do like the beveling, but not reducing the slide width in the front. I also like the new slide release design, but that about it for me.




In light of recent disputes over "trade dress" a cosmetic redesign is probably a good idea. Whether Shadow did this to avoid potential problems or simply because they wanted to it will hopefully be a good thing.

Trade dress is a funny deal and I'll admit I don't understand it. Ruger is apparently suing S&W over trade dress violations of the 10/22. This seems odd to me when I assume Colt could make a similar claim that Ruger (and S&W for that matter) have stolen their intellectual property with various 1911 clones. Same deal with the M&P15 and AR556 rifles.


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[Texaspoff]

In light of recent disputes over "trade dress" a cosmetic redesign is probably a good idea. Whether Shadow did this to avoid potential problems or simply because they wanted to it will hopefully be a good thing.

Trade dress is a funny deal and I'll admit I don't understand it. Ruger is apparently suing S&W over trade dress violations of the 10/22. This seems odd to me when I assume Colt could make a similar claim that Ruger (and S&W for that matter) have stolen their intellectual property with various 1911 clones. Same deal with the M&P15 and AR556 rifles.


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Point well made. I know this is becoming quite an issue in the industry. Several Shops have been patenting their specific modification designs to prevent other from doing them. I can see where this could be an issue for Shadow and others that might have something too close to the original.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

Point well made. I know this is becoming quite an issue in the industry. Several Shops have been patenting their specific modification designs to prevent other from doing them. I can see where this could be an issue for Shadow and others that might have something too close to the original.



TXPOFrankly I'm surprised Glock is not making a stink about this. Can Glock's sales be that huge that boutique copies are no threat?

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[psalms144.1]

Can Glock's sales be that huge that boutique copies are no threat?Yes; yes they are...

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/SuQ_-Mot-yY

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[Tokarev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6t5Gkcm-g0&t=7s

[Tokarev]

Another intro video:

https://youtu.be/eCGmK4e5vm0

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[okstatefan]

This is great news. I just ordered an MR918 Elite FDE for $742.87 shipped. That pistol would have never been that price if the MR920 wasn't released.

[OkieHeat]

Does this gun have a gen3 mag release button or a gen 4 button? I found my answer gen 4 button and gen 3 trigger bar.

[Tokarev]

Should be shipping soon. They had anticipated an early February rollout.

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[Tokarev]

I emailed Shadow Systems to inquire about the delivery timeframe. Pistols are in production and all or nearly all of the initial run are pre-sold to a large distributor.



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[Tokarev]

I was just on Shadow's Facebook page. They are shipping the Warrior Poet models built on the 920 frame now.

Also, on Shadow's website, it says the MR918 is out of production.


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[Tokarev]

My new MR920 has arrived. I took delivery of it this evening after work.

Initial impressions are good. Hopefully I'll shoot it tomorrow. I'll probably post initial experiences and pictures in a new thread. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200404/e138bb82528e71dfb2c06194a59943d5.jpg

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[Kanye Wyoming]

Hopefully I'll shoot it tomorrow.
Shooting.

I don’t much care for show offs.

What’s next? After shooting will you be flying on your sanitized private jet to “quarantine” with 3 or 4 of your supermodel concubines?

[Tokarev]

Shooting.

I don’t much care for show offs.

What’s next? After shooting will you be flying on your sanitized private jet to “quarantine” with 3 or 4 of your supermodel concubines?

If by private jet you mean old Toyota and if by supermodel concubine you mean my wife then yes.

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[Kanye Wyoming]

If by private jet you mean old Toyota and if by supermodel concubine you mean my wife then yes.
Yeah, me too (except a Mazda).

But you get to shoot. That makes you one of the one percent. :) Bernie’s gonna be all over your ass.

[Kanye Wyoming]

On a more serious note, I’m looking forward to your thoughts on the MR920. I have the MR918, which I really like, and which I don’t think I’d have known about but for this thread.

[Tokarev]

On a more serious note, I’m looking forward to your thoughts on the MR920. I have the MR918, which I really like, and which I don’t think I’d have known about but for this thread.Comparing the 918 and the 920 side by side the only immediately noticeable difference (in feel) is the changed profile of the trigger guard.

One thing I like about the 918 is the protrusion on the front of the trigger guard. I've found this to work as a reference point as well as an anchor for my support hand index finger. This bump or protrusion is gone from the 920.

Without the protrusion the bottom of the trigger guard feels very slick and almost lacking. Maybe Shadow Systems needs to add a bit of rough texture here.

With that said, I should probably shoot the pistol before complaining about it. This might be much ado about nothing.

Another thing; some have complained about the change in certain parts that may take away from Glock parts commonality. I'm not sure if that's actually the case. The slide is drilled clear through on the right. I'm guessing a factory extractor plunger assembly will still fit and work. That is as long as a much shorter screw is used and/or no optic is mounted. And while the slide back plate appears angled, it is actually triangular in shape. I am guessing a factory Glock plate (or gadget plate) will still fit. It just wouldn't match the angled profile that is part of the 920 slide.

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[Tokarev]

31 rounds fired whicb consisted of two mags and the chambered round of 147 +P HSTs that had previously ridden in my 918.

Not enough to really form an opinion but I'm sure the gun will perform just fine as I get more time with it.

At this point I guess my only negative comment is regarding the trigger. It is sort of crunchy and inconsistent. My 918 trigger was pretty much the same at first but smoothed out nicely with some dry and live fire. I assume the same will happen with the 920. Typical Glock in that the trigger guard is kind of small and the bottom of my trigger finger rubs. This magnifies the sensation of crunch since it is one more contact point.

Anyway, I was going to start a new thread but it probably isn't necessary since this thread only consists of 30 some odd posts up to this point.

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[Tokarev]

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I field stripped my new 920 this morning and gave it a cleaning. Not that it needed it after only thirty-one rounds. Plus I wiped it down and oiled it right after I got it.

Anyway, while I had it apart I thought I'd take some photos.

First is the optics mounting point. It is compatible with several sights to include the RMR and DP Pro. Note the extractor spring is visible here.


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The extractor spring retaining pin should come out by pushing up on the tiny hole visible on the bottom of the slide. I wanted to take the extractor out but don't have a punch small enough.


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General pics of the slide and its machining. Overall the machine work is very good and the slide is generally devoid of sharp edges. With that said there is some tiny pitting on the slide near the front sight.


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The optic cover plate is aluminum and engraved with the company logo. A minor complaint but I wish it was serrated to match the slide.


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The barrel appears unchanged in shape/style from the 918. Not sure what coating is used. It is starting to rub off already.

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The back plate compared to a factory Glock plate. The Shadow Systems plate is aluminum. I had initially assumed a factory Glock plate would fit but that is incorrect. The flange around the outside of the plate is much thinner on the 920.


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[Tokarev]

The frame shares a texture pattern and overall style with the 920. Really the only difference is the shape of the trigger gaurd.

Internally it is familiar Gen4 Glock copy to include a factory part of two.

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[DMCutter]

I picked one of these up a few weeks ago. I've carried HKs and Sigs for years, never been a Glock guy. I saw all the rave reviews for the MR918 and all the videos on the MR920, so I rented a gen 5 G19 and liked it a whole lot more than my VP9, so I sold the VP9 and ordered the MR920 Elite. I really like the optic mounting system (mounted up my RMR and it took all of 4 rounds to get it zeroed). I've had it to the range 3 times and put a few hundred rounds through it. I love it but have one issue that could be a major problem at the wrong time. When I started shooting it I was using a way thumbs forward grip to get my support thumb on the shelf and I inadvertently dropped the mag probably 4 times. The second time out I made a concerted effort to keep my support hand as far back nestled into my right hand as possible and had no issues with the mag. Shooting today I had a couple occasions during rapid fire strings where I let my support hand slide a little too far forward and I dropped the mag twice. I guess this is primarily a software issue (training/muscle memory with the support hand) but it's at least a partially a hardware issue because I've never done that with a Sig P229 or P320. Obviously not an issue with the paddle release on my USPCs (vastly prefer the paddle release). Not being a Glock aficionado, I don't know what's available as far as lower profile magazine releases but I think that would be a smart modification for me, at least.

[Tokarev]

I picked one of these up a few weeks ago. I've carried HKs and Sigs for years, never been a Glock guy. I saw all the rave reviews for the MR918 and all the videos on the MR920, so I rented a gen 5 G19 and liked it a whole lot more than my VP9, so I sold the VP9 and ordered the MR920 Elite. I really like the optic mounting system (mounted up my RMR and it took all of 4 rounds to get it zeroed). I've had it to the range 3 times and put a few hundred rounds through it. I love it but have one issue that could be a major problem at the wrong time. When I started shooting it I was using a way thumbs forward grip to get my support thumb on the shelf and I inadvertently dropped the mag probably 4 times. The second time out I made a concerted effort to keep my support hand as far back nestled into my right hand as possible and had no issues with the mag. Shooting today I had a couple occasions during rapid fire strings where I let my support hand slide a little too far forward and I dropped the mag twice. I guess this is primarily a software issue (training/muscle memory with the support hand) but it's at least a partially a hardware issue because I've never done that with a Sig P229 or P320. Obviously not an issue with the paddle release on my USPCs (vastly prefer the paddle release). Not being a Glock aficionado, I don't know what's available as far as lower profile magazine releases but I think that would be a smart modification for me, at least.I have a similar problem with Gen4 and newer Glocks especially with 19 sized guns.

Working on changing your grip until it becomes 2nd nature is the best answer.

Another option is to remove the mag release and put it in from the other side. Configure it for left-handed use but still run it with your right hand. This would mean changing your master grip quite a bit during a reload but it likely would solve the accidental release problem.

Holster selection will become more important going this route since the release will now be on the outside of the body during holster carry. Brushing up against something may pop the mag loose.

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[Texaspoff]

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I field stripped my new 920 this morning and gave it a cleaning. Not that it needed it after only thirty-one rounds. Plus I wiped it down and oiled it right after I got it.

Anyway, while I had it apart I thought I'd take some photos.

First is the optics mounting point. It is compatible with several sights to include the RMR and DP Pro. Note the extractor spring is visible here.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200406/6d5cdb9e66a97912b5643eb5d887e0bf.jpg

The extractor spring retaining pin should come out by pushing up on the tiny hole visible on the bottom of the slide. I wanted to take the extractor out but don't have a punch small enough.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200406/ee95deb3bb1845c554ee63b33d3d0560.jpg

General pics of the slide and its machining. Overall the machine work is very good and the slide is generally devoid of sharp edges. With that said there is some tiny pitting on the slide near the front sight.


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The optic cover plate is aluminum and engraved with the company logo. A minor complaint but I wish it was serrated to match the slide.


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The barrel appears unchanged in shape/style from the 918. Not sure what coating is used. It is starting to rub off already.

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The back plate compared to a factory Glock plate. The Shadow Systems plate is aluminum. I had initially assumed a factory Glock plate would fit but that is incorrect. The flange around the outside of the plate is much thinner on the 920.


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That pitting is unacceptable IMO. It looks like there is some on the top of the slide near the front of the optic plate as well. I would contact Shadow Systems about it.

It looks like there may have been a heat issue during the finishing process. I have seen pitting like that before on slides that had problems during their finishing process.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

That pitting is unacceptable IMO. It looks like there is some on the top of the slide near the front of the optic plate as well. I would contact Shadow Systems about it.

It looks like there may have been a heat issue during the finishing process. I have seen pitting like that before on slides that had problems during their finishing process.



TXPOI have an email in to them about it.

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[Texaspoff]

I have an email in to them about it.

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Good deal, I have no doubt they will resolve the issue. They have always been great when I have talked with them.



TXPO

[the Schwartz]

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The barrel appears unchanged in shape/style from the 918. Not sure what coating is used. It is starting to rub off already.


Whatever it is, that coating does not inspire confidence.

Is the metal beneath the coating s'posed to be nitrocarburized?

[Tokarev]

Whatever it is, that coating does not inspire confidence.

Is the metal beneath the coating s'posed to be nitrocarburized?The barrel is stainless steel.

I probably would not normally notice nor care about some minor cosmetic issues but the finish and machine work on my MR918 is flawless.

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[Shadow]

The barrel is stainless steel.

I probably would not normally notice nor care about some minor cosmetic issues but the finish and machine work on my MR918 is flawless.

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I agree the finish on my 918 is flawless as well. I'm pretty sure, after speaking with the guys at Shadow Systems, that they will take care of you.

[Tokarev]

I agree the finish on my 918 is flawless as well. I'm pretty sure, after speaking with the guys at Shadow Systems, that they will take care of you.I'm not super worried. More curious than anything.



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[DMCutter]

I have the bronze Ti nitride barrel and saw wear on the finish at the front corners of the top of the chamber after the first range session. I haven't taken it down to look at the inside of the slide or the rest of the barrel. A little disappointing but I'm not sweating it. I guess if it's a major defect they'll probably replace it.

[Tokarev]

Return shipping label received for the slide and barrel. I'll update when the new parts are received.

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[Tokarev]

Return shipping label received for the slide and barrel. I'll update when the new parts are received.

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[Tokarev]

New slide and barrel arrived. The new parts appear flawless.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/3d47c2ed71b1c8566b7444e2b8cae426.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/904f8cd14fcfa3fc1bf509486b9d0da7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/e7cce7af357b195a1480ef502cd44f5c.jpg

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[the Schwartz]

New slide and barrel arrived. The new parts appear flawless.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/3d47c2ed71b1c8566b7444e2b8cae426.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/904f8cd14fcfa3fc1bf509486b9d0da7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/e7cce7af357b195a1480ef502cd44f5c.jpg

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Those look much, much nicer than what they replaced. It'll be interesting to see how they stand up to use.

[Texaspoff]

New slide and barrel arrived. The new parts appear flawless.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/3d47c2ed71b1c8566b7444e2b8cae426.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/904f8cd14fcfa3fc1bf509486b9d0da7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/e7cce7af357b195a1480ef502cd44f5c.jpg

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Glad to hear it, never doubted for a minute they wouldn't take care of it. Good Folks over there.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Glad to hear it, never doubted for a minute they wouldn't take care of it. Good Folks over there.


TXPOThey sure seem to be.

I'm sure hoping a 17 sized gun is on the way.

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[Shadow]

They sure seem to be.

I'm sure hoping a 17 sized gun is on the way.

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Glad they took care of you, new parts look much better. I'm with you on the 17 sized gun, can't wait!
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[Clay1]

I sent them an email a week ago with no response, was thinking that they might be closed during the pandemic. Guess that they are working??? I'll try one more time to reach out, but disappointed that I didn't get some kind of response in a week.

[Tokarev]

I sent them an email a week ago with no response, was thinking that they might be closed during the pandemic. Guess that they are working??? I'll try one more time to reach out, but disappointed that I didn't get some kind of response in a week.Refresh my memory. You have questions about the coating on the barrel? Can you post some pics?

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[DMCutter]

I emailed them to verify that the mag release is Gen 4 and they sent me a new release spring just to make sure that wasn't the reason I was dropping my mags. I swapped the spring and put in a lower profile Strike Industries modular release and I haven't had the issue in the last 2 range sessions. I'm really loving this gun and I'm impressed by the level of support.

[Clay1]

Refresh my memory. You have questions about the coating on the barrel? Can you post some pics?

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NO gun issues here, my question was a sales related question. I'll try again, and see if I get a response.

[Tokarev]

150 rounds fired today. 100 bare and 50 with a TLR-7 attached. No failures of any kind to report.

The new slide and barrel shoots right to the top of the sights at seven yards. A little high at 15 and 25.

The trigger is a little crunchy. So was the trigger on my 918. It smoothed out pretty nicely on what pistol after a few range trips and some dry fire. I fully except the 920 trigger will take a similar path.

No abnormal wear on the barrel that I can see. In fact it looks perfect so far:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200426/d48d286b5247d760b4b0f687d89ad0b4.jpg

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[DMCutter]

This was mine after the first range session, probably 150 rounds. It hasn't changed visibly in a few hundred more rounds. No other wear noted.

[Tokarev]

This was mine after the first range session, probably 150 rounds. It hasn't changed visibly in a few hundred more rounds. No other wear noted.That looks fine.

My 918 barrel, which has 1,000 rounds on it, shows some wear at the top lockup but this is pretty much it.

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[Tokarev]

Regardless of the improvement in general ergonomics these pistols still have the annoying tendency to rub the bottom of my trigger finger.

This didn't seem much of a concern back in the 1980s when everyone shot with crossed thumbs and a relatively low grip. Nowadays with a high aggressive grip I find this places my trigger finger into the trigger guard at a slightly downward angle. This causes my finger to rub.

Not much can be done if the goal is holster compatibility. But Glock's trigger guard is definitely too short. It is also longer fore and aft than it should be.

Perfection....

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[Tokarev]

As has largely been the case with my MR918, the trigger in my MR920 has continued to improve with some use.

The distinct difference between the trigger's takeup and actual press is largely smoothed out and the firm wall between the two is gone. The trigger can still be staged, if desired, but it can also be pressed straight through smoothly and easily.

On my fish scale measure, the trigger measures right at six pounds when checked at the joint between the trigger and the dingus. The trigger measures four pounds when checked at its lowest point.

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[Tokarev]

A recent YouTube review

https://youtu.be/_HJGXqIkS6c

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[DMCutter]

Too bad he didn't get the NPOA/backstrap info right, calling them small, medium, and large. He almost stumbled on to it at the end, though. I picked up a preowned 918 with a 508t and I can't tell a difference when I shoot it and my 920 side by side, except I think I prefer the 508t to the RMR. They've become my favorites.

[Tokarev]

A good look at the MR920 slide with the deeper optic cut and the changes to the extractor plunger and spring:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRJmbauOnEs

[Tokarev]

Saw this earlier on Shadow Systems' social media:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/77de4cbc1f507048370b307fdb4419bb.jpg

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[Erick Gelhaus]

Watched one of the 918s (whoops, not a 920) go through a recent Gunsite 250 that was pistol mounted optics focused. It ran just fine. I'd be interested in getting one to work with.

[Shadow]

Watched one of the 918s (whoops, not a 920) go through a recent Gunsite 250 that was pistol mounted optics focused. It ran just fine. I'd be interested in getting one to work with.

Just used my MR918 in the Sig Pistol Mounted Optic Instructor class. 800+ rounds in 2 days, second day we shot in a monsoon, and not 1 issue. Reliable, accurate, functional upgrades and fun to shoot.

[Tokarev]

Just used my MR918 in the Sig Pistol Mounted Optic Instructor class. 800+ rounds in 2 days, second day we shot in a monsoon, and not 1 issue. Reliable, accurate, functional upgrades and fun to shoot.Any other students have gun problems that you noticed?

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[Shadow]

Any other students have gun problems that you noticed?

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There were several 320's, 2-MR918's and a few Glock 19's.

Optics were a mix of Holosun 507/508's, a DPP, RMR and Sig Romeo 1.

The class was hosted at my agencies range in NJ (climate reference). First day was extremely hot and the second day was during tropical storm Hanna. Day 2 was some of the worst range weather I've shot in, it was actually a great time. Entire day was spent on the range with little to no cover. Weapons and optics were exposed to heavy rain and high winds.

Every gun and optic performed flawlessly. Definitely validated the ability of the optics to handle wet conditions.

[GJM]

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Will hopefully shoot it tomorrow, but so far my impressions are positive.

[JM Campbell]

58962

Will hopefully shoot it tomorrow, but so far my impressions are positive.

They are ok, shot one yesterday, the PC CORE 2.0 shoots flatter


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[YVK]

58962

Will hopefully shoot it tomorrow, but so far my impressions are positive.


Flava Flav called, wants his golden accessories back.

[GJM]

I got to shoot the MR920 today. Fired 50 rounds of 147 HST, and several hundred of American Eagle and Lawman 115. No issues, despite the recommendation of a 200 round break in. Used an OEM G19 mag and several OEM 17 round magazines. Zeroed a Holosun 507V2 and shot the BUIS. Might need a taller front sight as the BUIS seemed to be impacting a few inches high, but will check that again. I shot three or four five round groups at 20 yards, and they were all nice small groups. The pistol was very comfortable to shoot. The magwell and beavertail wedged my hand in nicely. A pleasant first experience with it.

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[Tokarev]

I got to shoot the MR920 today. Fired 50 rounds of 147 HST, and several hundred of American Eagle and Lawman 115. No issues, despite the recommendation of a 200 round break in. Used an OEM G19 mag and several OEM 17 round magazines. Zeroed a Holosun 507V2 and shot the BUIS. Might need a taller front sight as the BUIS seemed to be impacting a few inches high, but will check that again. I shot three or four five round groups at 20 yards, and they were all nice small groups. The pistol was very comfortable to shoot. The magwell and beavertail wedged my hand in nicely. A pleasant first experience with it.

58985Yep. I'm not a Glock guy but I like what Shadow Systems has done with the platform.

They're still talking about a G17 type pistol although they will probably wait until SHOT now to make any sort of announcement.

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[GJM]

Yep. I'm not a Glock guy but I like what Shadow Systems has done with the platform.

They're still talking about a G17 type pistol although they will probably wait until SHOT now to make any sort of announcement.

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If things keep going like my range session today, I would be all over their take on a 17.

[Tokarev]

If things keep going like my range session today, I would be all over their take on a 17.Ideally the gun will be an MR920L slide coupled with a strecthed grip MR920 frame. In essence it would be an MR920 Glock 47.

It would allow Shadow Systems to make just two slides and two frames and would give the purchaser some flexibility with regard to slide and barrel length.

Will Shadow do this or just make their take on the Gen4 Glock 17?

Either way I'm sure I'll pick one up when they hit the market.

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[HCM]

58962

Will hopefully shoot it tomorrow, but so far my impressions are positive.


They are ok, shot one yesterday, the PC CORE 2.0 shoots flatter


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I shot the same example as JM with a Holosun 507 V2. It worked and shot ok but there was nothing about it, including the cost, that would make me want one in lieu of a Glock.

[GJM]

I shot the same example as JM with a Holosun 507 V2. It worked and shot ok but there was nothing about it, including the cost, that would make me want one in lieu of a Glock.

I don’t think any single feature is mind blowing but there are about a half dozen features that all together make the 920 attractive to me. I would not buy one instead of a Glock, but I would buy one in addition to Glocks.

I have shot it four or five times so far. Not a single stoppage. I started with the neutral backstrap but went back to the Glock shaped one, as I have so much Glock time, it brings the dot to the same place as I am used to. My wife is interested in one as a carry gun, using the backstrap closest to the 320 Legion she competes with.

Timer says it shoots well for me!

[JM Campbell]

I don’t think any single feature is mind blowing but there are about a half dozen features that all together make the 920 attractive to me. I would not buy one instead of a Glock, but I would buy one in addition to Glocks.

I have shot it four or five times so far. Not a single stoppage. I started with the neutral backstrap but went back to the Glock shaped one, as I have so much Glock time, it brings the dot to the same place as I am used to. My wife is interested in one as a carry gun, using the backstrap closest to the 320 Legion she competes with.

Timer says it shoots well for me!

I ran 2 mags of 15 through that one sample, I’ll shoot more when the owner gets off his keester and ponies up for a comp. I honestly shoot glocks like shit and have never invested a lot of time on one besides that atom T1 sample. I shot it a lot better with the T1 then without. Sold it to standardize on L&M rmr M&P and v1 CORE, gave up on dots for a while when I couldn’t commit to the time needed and saw a reverse in shooting ability. Now years later with older eyes and prescription glasses the dot life is extremely intriguing.


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[Tokarev]

I’ll shoot more when the owner gets off his keester and ponies up for a comp.

It would be nifty if Shadow Systems were to partner with Parker Mountain for something like this. Add this to a Shadow Systems version of the G45 and you'd have a comp gun that's about the same overall size as a G17.

https://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p425/PMM_Glock_19x%2F45%2CGen_5_19_ULTRA_JTTC_and_Barre l.html

[JM Campbell]

It would be nifty if Shadow Systems were to partner with Parker Mountain for something like this. Add this to a Shadow Systems version of the G45 and you'd have a comp gun that's about the same overall size as a G17.

https://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p425/PMM_Glock_19x%2F45%2CGen_5_19_ULTRA_JTTC_and_Barre l.html

By owner I meant owner of the pistol not company. I have no association with Shadow Systems. Just wanted to make that clear.


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[Tokarev]

By owner I meant owner of the pistol not company. I have no association with Shadow Systems. Just wanted to make that clear.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk10-4. I was commenting on Shadow making a factory comp gun.

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[Tokarev]

MR920 with a TLR-1 and Streamlight pressure pad. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200826/897177c5e06c24dafbdc765f7dcb8fd2.jpg

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[GJM]

At the end of my practice session, I shot some Underwood Lehigh through the Shadow 920. It fed and shot POA/POI as 147 HST. Ran a few drills — it is a pleasure to shoot.


https://youtu.be/4gu1Uhykgx0

[Tokarev]

At the end of my practice session, I shot some Underwood Lehigh through the Shadow 920. It fed and shot POA/POI as 147 HST. Ran a few drills — it is a pleasure to shoot.


https://youtu.be/4gu1Uhykgx0Do you have a 19 MOS to run the 920 against?

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[rca90gsx]

I'd like to try a 920L for sure


Do you have a 19 MOS to run the 920 against?

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[GJM]

Do you have a 19 MOS to run the 920 against?

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I might have a half dozen or so. The Shadow and Glock are both great pistols. A person really just needs to decide if the Shadow feature set turns your crank enough to stray.

[Doc_Glock]

I shot the same example as JM with a Holosun 507 V2. It worked and shot ok but there was nothing about it, including the cost, that would make me want one in lieu of a Glock.

I haven't shot one, but will pass due to sheer ugliness.

[GearFondler]

I haven't shot one, but will pass due to sheer ugliness.Though I tend to agree with you on this one, that's the same argument many people made when Glocks first debuted. ;)

[Tokarev]

I'd like to try a 920L for sureHere's some info on the 920L:


https://youtu.be/ZQoBdTSizQs

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[rca90gsx]

Thank you!



Here's some info on the 920L:


https://youtu.be/ZQoBdTSizQs

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[DMCutter]

I might have a half dozen or so. The Shadow and Glock are both great pistols. A person really just needs to decide if the Shadow feature set turns your crank enough to stray.
How does it compare to your new M&P?

[GJM]

How does it compare to your new M&P?

Very different. The 920 is like a customized hybrid Gen 3/4/5 Glock 19 and the Core is a 5 inch M&P, that shoots like a big M&P not a Glock.

[Tokarev]

I might have a half dozen or so. The Shadow and Glock are both great pistols.

Just wondering if you've run the 920 alongside a similarly set-up 19. If so did the timer show much difference?

[Tokarev]

Thank you!

You're welcome.

Still have my fingers crossed that S.S. will basically take the 920L top end and stick it on their version of a 19X frame. This will give us a G17 sized gun but will also allow people to use a 920 slide thereby making a G45.

[Duke]

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[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems has announced the DR920. This will be the full-sized pistol. It should be available sometime around the first of the year.

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[GJM]

Just wondering if you've run the 920 alongside a similarly set-up 19. If so did the timer show much difference?

Haven’t done anything formal.

[Duke]

Not that anyone really cares what I think.


But I did hammer out some work with the 920


And found it totally underwhelming


It is -not- the flattest shooting handgun in the market - and I’m not sure who said that or why the shadow guys are repeating it. But it’s a lie.

The “best service” in the industry claim is also, in my experience, a lofty claim.

I can let general lack of Hospitality slide. But If we speak about a specific part....and I pay you for that part and you send a completely wrong part....I lose patience pretty quickly.

Next. All the frame tweeks that should make it superior to an oem frame, don’t imo.

And finally - the claim they use PMags for the “superior” base pad for emergency mag stripping surely has nothing to do with the cost savings over oem G19 mags.


And the trigger on mine was 6lbs out of the box. No thanks

[Street Survival]

Thank You Duke, you saved me a lot of L.E. retirement money.

[Duke]

Thank You Duke, you saved me a lot of L.E. retirement money.

I had high hopes

Can’t get A zone splits faster than .17s - which is totally subjective and dependent on shooter skill

But a properly sprung Roland Will return .13’s for me


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[snow white]

I have the war poet variant on order. When the order if fulfilled next month hopefully ill get some pictures and impressions up.

[Tokarev]

I had high hopes



But a properly sprung Roland Will return .13’s for me




So why not play with the springs in your MR920 and see what happens?

[Duke]

So why not play with the springs in your MR920 and see what happens?

Sour taste. Close enough in $$$$ to an actual Roland set up that I lost interest pretty quickly.


And I hate the grip. Again totally subjective

[snow white]

I have the war poet variant on order. When the order if fulfilled next month hopefully ill get some pictures and impressions up.

Scratch that. My pistol somehow turned into a sam 7 A1 R. Strange how that happens sometimes.

[DRJ]

I have three 920’s and love them. For me they are the best striker guns I have ever owned.

[Tokarev]

I see a few sites now are showing the DR920. No pics or actual ship dates yet. Hopefully we're getting close to official launch.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/ss-2012

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[Det1397]

I see a few sites now are showing the DR920. No pics or actual ship dates yet. Hopefully we're getting close to official launch.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/ss-2012

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhhRxJRIfgI

[Tokarev]

Saw this info just now:

https://shadowsystemsdefense.com/dr920/

I was hoping for a G45/19X frame with a 920L top end but it looks like a pretty much straightforward 17 clone. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201112/ca55e182178730f901732c1483774b34.jpg

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[Tokarev]

I note with some mild interest that both the DR and MR 920 line appear to be available without optics cut.

The MR918 was available with or without but, as far as I know at least, the newer 920 has only been sold WITH the cut.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201113/2c37d91b62c71fcd10c05eaf797c4464.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201113/ff1d2fbaf5f1a3b8211e89daed1968f8.jpg

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[Tokarev]

This photo is taken off the Shadow Systems Defense page, as are the others posted above. Note that the DR920 appears to use a G19 recoil spring.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201115/03ae2358b5ee9835bdc69437b24d7dfa.jpg

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[Shadow]

This photo is taken off the Shadow Systems Defense page, as are the others posted above. Note that the DR920 appears to use a G19 recoil spring.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201115/03ae2358b5ee9835bdc69437b24d7dfa.jpg

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There was a link posted earlier in this thread with a pic of the DR and specs. The barrel was listed at 4.0 inches which I dismissed as a typo since the DR is a full size "17". The link is unavailable now. If the 4" barrel is correct that may explain the recoil system, I hope not but makes sense.

[Tokarev]

Watching the previously linked video where the CEO is talking about production and future release it does look like the DR will use a 19L slide but on a 17 frame. There's a brief moment where he swings the muzzle past the camera where the 19 recoil spring is visible.

Not a bad idea since it keeps Shadow Systems from having to make one more slide. Still, I think they kind of missed the boat by not using a 19X style frame. Doing so would have allow them to produce:

The current MR920 (G19)
The current MR920L (G19 mag with 17 length slide)
The forthcoming DR920 (17 length mag and 17 slide)
An unannounced DR920 (17 length mag and 19 length slide)

Four pistols based off just two slide and two frame sizes.

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[Tokarev]

Here's a good one that details some of the Shadow Systems features as well as the differences between the MR918 and MR920.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XWxbzas-ro

[Tokarev]

I see a full page ad for the DR920 November/December issue of USPSA's magazine. Hopefully Shadow Systems is still on track to release the gun next month.

I also see in this issue that Frank Cook of Butte, Montana has passed away. I shot with Frank and Colette back in the day. He was a gifted shooter and, far more importantly, a truly nice man.

[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems is showing January 17th for the DR920 release:

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/shot2021/

[JCN]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/ef7435655f4bf3f28e4fc98ee6ab5ebc.jpg

Zoomed in on this from Instagram. The slide cover plate looks curved to match the contour of the slide.

ETA: Shadow Systems replied when I asked on Instagram. They also don’t think it’s Gadget compatible due to how it was redesigned. I’ll be sticking with my MR918.

As an aside, I fitted a Gadget on my MR920 by thinning the backplate lip with a Dremel. It still locks in place.

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Also agree with Duke that the difference between it and a stock Glock are pretty minor.

I do like the backstrap options though because I compete with CZs and using a lower backstrap helps it point more similarly.

[Tokarev]

Today is the day. Anyone else plan on tuning in?

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/shot2021/

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[Tokarev]

Well, that was sort of disappointing. There isn't any info here we don't already have. Maybe virtual Day Two and/or Day Three will actually have some info on the full-size gun.

I guess the only thing I learned is that guns should be in stores next month.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f8NO41n9zY&feature=youtu.be

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[JCN]

I still don't know how they can keep claiming that it's "the flattest shooting pistol" on the market. It makes me not trust them as much when they keep saying that, because it's DEFINITELY not true. It's a nice gun, but it's not magic.

[Tokarev]

I still don't know how they can keep claiming that it's "the flattest shooting pistol" on the market. It makes me not trust them as much when they keep saying that, because it's DEFINITELY not true. It's a nice gun, but it's not magic.It is a bit of hyperbole on their part. One, it is a somewhat subjective claim unless they're using some kind of fixture that measures recoil along the slide's path. Two, it implies that they've tested every gun on the market.

With that said, Trevor Roe does say, "One of the flattest shooting uncompensated pistols in my opinion" or something similar in the DR920 product release video.

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[Tokarev]

Anyone else watch the three separate YouTube events? Really not much info that we didn't know already. I was hoping for a bit more technical info on the new gun. Oh, well.

In the meantime, here's a pic I found on the webz. Note the 19 length spring guide. I wonder if this is a pre-production gun or the production format.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210120/3f9d336aaef684e30b19e164b67d556b.jpg

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[Shadow]

I agree there was little info offered on the DR 920. You would think it would be the center of attention since it's their newest release.

Ordered a DR Elite on Tuesday, it's been on my radar since Shadow announced it was in the works.

[Tokarev]

I agree there was little info offered on the DR 920. You would think it would be the center of attention since it's their newest release.

Ordered a DR Elite on Tuesday, it's been on my radar since Shadow announced it was in the works.Cool. Who'd you order from? I need to get on this.

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[Shadow]

Cool. Who'd you order from? I need to get on this.

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My buddy owns a small shop here in NJ. The MR 918/920 have been a big hit locally. As soon as Shadow Systems released the DR we ordered 7 of them, they're all spoken for already.

For anyone that may be interested, according to Shadow the individual Law Enforcement discount on DR's will not be available until mid summer. They're trying to cater to agency needs before opening up to individual LE purchases. Call me impatient but I decided not to wait and order one right away.

[Tokarev]

My buddy owns a small shop here in NJ. The MR 918/920 have been a big hit locally. As soon as Shadow Systems released the DR we ordered 7 of them, they're all spoken for already.

For anyone that may be interested, according to Shadow the individual Law Enforcement discount on DR's will not be available until mid summer. They're trying to cater to agency needs before opening up to individual LE purchases. Call me impatient but I decided not to wait and order one right away.

Any idea how soon these seven will ship?

I'll have to do some calling today to see if local shop has any on order. I can't let you be the first kid on the block....

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[Shadow]

Any idea how soon these seven will ship?

I'll have to do some calling today to see if local shop has any on order. I can't let you be the first kid on the block....

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Lol...Shadow is saying mid February they will be on shelves. I wouldn't doubt that means their large distributors get first deliveries. I'm pretty excited about this gun, my MR918 has done very well for me.

[Tokarev]

Lol...Shadow is saying mid February they will be on shelves. I wouldn't doubt that means their large distributors get first deliveries. I'm pretty excited about this gun, my MR918 has done very well for me.

No joy. One shop had no info. I'm not sure the sales guy even knew what I was calling about. Another shop said they were going to order one and that he'd call me when the gun comes in. I'll start watching gunbroker and a few other online resources.

[Shadow]

No joy. One shop had no info. I'm not sure the sales guy even knew what I was calling about. Another shop said they were going to order one and that he'd call me when the gun comes in. I'll start watching gunbroker and a few other online resources.

Got word late this afternoon from my shop. Shadow said they are not going to be filling any small shop orders at this time. They are focusing on the large distributors. Sales rep told the shop owner to purchase from a distributor. In addition the shop was told if he places an order now we will not see the guns for at least 6 months. I'll report back if I get anything further. Good luck with the search.

[Tokarev]

Got word late this afternoon from my shop. Shadow said they are not going to be filling any small shop orders at this time. They are focusing on the large distributors. Sales rep told the shop owner to purchase from a distributor. In addition the shop was told if he places an order now we will not see the guns for at least 6 months. I'll report back if I get anything further. Good luck with the search.That's too bad but I guess I understand it. Shadow probably wants to sell as many guns as they can as quickly as they can. I wouldn't mind working in the commercial firearms industry but then again I'm glad I don't... I can't imagine making a livelihood now in the industry with the pending gloom and doom.

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[DacoRoman]

I was aiming to get an Agency Arms (AOS mounting system) stripped slide for my entry into the RDS world, but the one I like is $900..so I was looking at the MR920 and couldn't fail to notice that for only a tad more I would get a whole pistol!

So I'm considering a Flat Dark Earth MR920 Elite that seems more easily available from Cabelas and Bass Pro for some reason than the Black one, although I'd like the Black one, but getting a bit of the "have to have it now" syndrome. But strangely one can select "Order Online" with the flat dark earth one, but not with the black ones, wtflook?

But, how are y'all's MR920's holding up?

For the Flat Dark Earth one, is the slide cerakoted I wonder? I can't find the info on the finish..if so I wonder if it requires more break in, due to the added cerakote thickness? I don't have much experience with cerakote so I wonder..

[Lon]

Got my hands on a 920L last night. Didn’t get to shoot it but in finger banged and dry fired the hell out of it. Love the frame contour and texture. The slide and barrel contour/cuts were “meh”, but I really like the frame.

[Biggy]

Using an adapter plate can a Aimpoint ACRO be mounted on the Shadow Systems pistols ? And, where would you get a *good* one ?

[DMCutter]

The plate that comes with the 509t will fit with Shadow Systems' thickest spacer. The Acro plate looks to be longer. I have an email in to them asking about specifics because per the latest in their blog the Acro won't fit. It might be as simple as grinding a little off the end of the Aimpoint RMR pattern mount but everything is a guess pending a reply from Shadow Systems.

[Biggy]

I got an email from Shadow Systems yesterday on a question I had on mounting an Aimpoint ACRO to their MR920 pistols.

Cody McElroy (Shadow Systems)
May 25, 2021, 12:19 CDT

Hi Jim,

We don't know of anyone producing a mounting plate to attach an Acro to our pistol successfully. Our engineers are currently working on solutions, but I'm unsure of what their timeframe is.
Regards,

Cody McElroy /Technical Service Manager

[Tokarev]

I got an email from Shadow Systems yesterday on a question I had on mounting an Aimpoint ACRO to their MR920 pistols.

Cody McElroy (Shadow Systems)
May 25, 2021, 12:19 CDT

Hi Jim,

We don't know of anyone producing a mounting plate to attach an Acro to our pistol successfully. Our engineers are currently working on solutions, but I'm unsure of what their timeframe is.
Regards,

Cody McElroy /Technical Service ManagerPretty much what they told me some months back. In fact they seemed kind of reluctant to even approach the idea because the current optics cut is sold as being more secure/durable/better because no adapter plates are needed.

With all that said, it should be a pretty straightforward process but may take someone like KE Arms, CHPWS, etc to pull it off.

I assume new sights will be needed.



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[arcticlightfighter]

So I bought my self the Bronze finish barrel MR920 Elite optics model

Upon inspection prior to shooting the pistol , I noted significant machining/finishing issues with the feed ramp.

I emailed SS and requested a replacement.

Will update when I hear something but I have to say for a $1000 pistol, Im disappointed.

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[Tokarev]

Just FYI if someone is in the market. Shadow Systems has some G19 and G19L aka DR920 barrels in stock on the website.

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[Noah]

Just FYI if someone is in the market. Shadow Systems has some G19 and G19L aka DR920 barrels in stock on the website.

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With the changes in gen 5 17 locking block geometry, wouldn't a 17 gen 5 barrel drop right into a DR920 or MR920L and vice versa?

[Tokarev]

I replaced the threaded barrel that originally came with the gun with a new black unthreaded one. It looks better this way. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211003/49d7e528ae7a4ac81710fa39b10f36d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211003/ef02ed9d85bfca01ab62ee98b1d62703.jpg

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[Ruckus54321]

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I field stripped my new 920 this morning and gave it a cleaning. Not that it needed it after only thirty-one rounds. Plus I wiped it down and oiled it right after I got it.

Anyway, while I had it apart I thought I'd take some photos.

First is the optics mounting point. It is compatible with several sights to include the RMR and DP Pro. Note the extractor spring is visible here.

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The extractor spring retaining pin should come out by pushing up on the tiny hole visible on the bottom of the slide. I wanted to take the extractor out but don't have a punch small enough.


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General pics of the slide and its machining. Overall the machine work is very good and the slide is generally devoid of sharp edges. With that said there is some tiny pitting on the slide near the front sight.


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The optic cover plate is aluminum and engraved with the company logo. A minor complaint but I wish it was serrated to match the slide.


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The barrel appears unchanged in shape/style from the 918. Not sure what coating is used. It is starting to rub off already.

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The back plate compared to a factory Glock plate. The Shadow Systems plate is aluminum. I had initially assumed a factory Glock plate would fit but that is incorrect. The flange around the outside of the plate is much thinner on the 920.
Has anyone found any clipdraws for the MR920? If so could u post the link

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[Tokarev]

Ruckus54321

Did you have a question or comment for me? If so I missed it in the quote above.

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[feudist]

Do these have the Glock grip angle?

[Phred]

Do these have the Glock grip angle?

Similar, yes. However their backstrap system allows the end user to customize the angle to a certain degree, similar to a flat vs. arched MSH on a 1911. I have an MR918 and prefer the grip over a stock Glock.

[il duce]

Great deal one one of you are on the fence. The only blem mine had was a pin head size mark on top of the slide. For the cost savings I can deal with what took me a day to find.

https://gunprime.com/products/shadow-systems-mr920-combat-9mm-15-round-capacity-ss-1002-blem

[GJM]

I just received a new MR920 Combat. Compared to my MR920 Elite, purchased when they first came out, the new one seems more refined. Better trigger, no sharp edges on HBE slide and better mag release function. When I pulled the RMR off the Elite and put it on the new Combat, the Wheeler laser indicates it needed adjustment in elevation and windage, which was a tad surprising.

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[GJM]

Shot it 150 rounds yesterday -- thrilled!

[backtrail540]

Shot it 150 rounds yesterday -- thrilled!

Which backstrap option after you using? The neutral m&pish? I believe that's the one supposed to be installed from factory.

[GJM]

Which backstrap option after you using? The neutral m&pish? I believe that's the one supposed to be installed from factory.

I mounted the RMR, then switched back and forth between "neutral" and the high or Glock insert, and settled on the Glock back strap as it seemed a tad better and is the same angle as all the Glock pistols I have.

[GJM]

Enjoying my new MR920 Combat. Enough so, I ordered an XR920 (Glock 45 configuration), which will also give me a full size grip option for all my Gen 4 Glock 19 pistols.

Dropped a Mayhem comp into the Combat today, and it functioned fine.

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[David S.]

Enjoying my new MR920 Combat. Enough so, I ordered an XR920 (Glock 45 configuration), which will also give me a full size grip option for all my Gen 4 Glock 19 pistols.

Dropped a Mayhem comp into the Combat today, and it functioned fine.

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What are your initial impressions compared to Gen 5 Glocks?

I rented an XR yesterday and thought it’s shot nice enough, tho I couldn’t get much of a group with the factory sights.

[GJM]

What are your initial impressions compared to Gen 5 Glocks?

I rented an XR yesterday and thought it’s shot nice enough, tho I couldn’t get much of a group with the factory sights.

I would compare it most closely to a Gen 4 Glock, with all the grip and slide mods imaginable, but with Gen 5 ejection. I haven't shot any groups with the iron sights, although it shoots good groups for me with an optic. Haven't compared groups to a G5, but G5 pistols are incredibly accurate. I think Gen 4 pistols can have better triggers, although a G5 is consistently very usable stock.

What were your XR impressions?

[Dismas316]

A buddy of mine had the DR920 and I had a chance to shoot it at the range, was really a very soft shooting gun. I was shooting it with my 19x and my gen 4 19. Big difference to the gen 4 19 and closer to the 19x. Best way I could describe the difference was the DR920 felt like loads you would make for competition and the 19x felt like “factory” ammo. What struck me is how light the gun felt in the hand. For as light as it feels, it sure doesn’t have the recoil you’d expect from such a lightweight gun. I liked it so much I had decided to go buy the MR920 at my local gun store. They had a some good deals on the warrior poet elite MR920 so went to buy it, but brought along my gen 5 19, just to compare one more time.

Shot a box of 115 grain mag tech through both and while the MR920 was slightly softer, more noticeable when shooting fast, there wasn’t as big a difference as I thought to justify the cost compared to my gen 5 19, so I ended up passing on the MR920. If didn’t have basically 3 different version of the g19, I probably would have made the purchase. In the end, for me it was a slightly softer shooting gun, came back to zero very nice and overall really liked the gun, but felt spending on $850 on another glock 19 was probably not a great purchase, especially since I don’t carry the 19 anyway. Unusual for me to walk away from not purchasing a really sweet gun, lol.

I am looking forward to checking out the Shadow systems CR920 when it becomes available. Really impressed with their firearms.

[David S.]

I haven't shot a gun that wasn't DA/SA or without a dot in several years, so I don't have any useful data to add.

Impressions are generally favorable but I only shot a whopping 50 rounds through it in an indoor range lane.

The trigger seemed good. I couldn't get accurate hits at 25. Holding 5 o'clock on the B-8 RC, the bottom of my group was in the top edge of the paper. The backer was all shot up and I was in a hurry so I didn't get a group size, but it wasn't impressive. That's probably more a reflection of my ability to run HD style iron sights than the gun.

I think the optic mounting system is the most interesting part of the Shadow Systems series. The deep screw depth seem like they should be very strong. The downside is I'm basically stuck with an open emitter footprint, since they don't plan to sell slides al a carte.

Right now I'm leaning towards Glock gen 5's that will eventually get cut for the Agency Optics System.

[DMCutter]

I haven't shot a gun that wasn't DA/SA or without a dot in several years, so I don't have any useful data to add.

Impressions are generally favorable but I only shot a whopping 50 rounds through it in an indoor range lane.

The trigger seemed good. I couldn't get accurate hits at 25. Holding 5 o'clock on the B-8 RC, the bottom of my group was in the top edge of the paper. The backer was all shot up and I was in a hurry so I didn't get a group size, but it wasn't impressive. That's probably more a reflection of my ability to run HD style iron sights than the gun.

I think the optic mounting system is the most interesting part of the Shadow Systems series. The deep screw depth seem like they should be very strong. The downside is I'm basically stuck with an open emitter footprint, since they don't plan to sell slides al a carte.

Right now I'm leaning towards Glock gen 5's that will eventually get cut for the Agency Optics System.

The 509t mounts directly using the cover plate screws. I understand some of the screws work out of the box but I had to turn the heads on mine down a few hundredths to get them to fit flush. I don't keep an accurate round count but I'd estimate I have 500 or so rounds through it with nothing coming loose.

[DMCutter]

Forgot to mention that it sits too high for the stock irons to be usable, unlike the open emitters.

[GJM]

The 509t mounts directly using the cover plate screws. I understand some of the screws work out of the box but I had to turn the heads on mine down a few hundredths to get them to fit flush. I don't keep an accurate round count but I'd estimate I have 500 or so rounds through it with nothing coming loose.

Picture?

[JCN]

The 509t mounts directly using the cover plate screws. I understand some of the screws work out of the box but I had to turn the heads on mine down a few hundredths to get them to fit flush. I don't keep an accurate round count but I'd estimate I have 500 or so rounds through it with nothing coming loose.

You mean via the RMR plate that the 509t comes with correct?

[DMCutter]

Correct. The stock out of the box plate. I think I had to shave one of the spacers down a hair to get it to fit but it's tight. I thought I had pics on my phone but I don't. I'll snap some tomorrow and post them.

[DMCutter]

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I do in fact have one of the spacers in there. Per advice from the previous tech guy at Shadow Systems, I chucked the mounting screws in a hand drill and turned them down on a bench grinder. He told me it was .008 or something but since I don't have calipers I just did trial and error until they fit. The bottom of the optic body sits flush on top of the screws so it's kind of a failsafe to keep them from backing out, although if they sheared the whole thing would launch. The fit is so tight with the spacer, though, that I don't think it's very likely they'd shear. But I'm just a dumb civil engineer-everything I deal with is sitting still. I'm certainly no expert on dynamic loading.

[David S.]

I would compare it most closely to a Gen 4 Glock, with all the grip and slide mods imaginable, but with Gen 5 ejection. I haven't shot any groups with the iron sights, although it shoots good groups for me with an optic. Haven't compared groups to a G5, but G5 pistols are incredibly accurate. I think Gen 4 pistols can have better triggers, although a G5 is consistently very usable stock.

According to one of their Technical Tuesday videos, it's based on a Gen 4 trigger system. Apparently the Gen 4/5 has a slightly smaller trigger housing than the more commonly used Gen 3 trigger system, that allows the backstrap radius to get a bit higher and tighter.

I don't know if there's any notable differences between 4 and 5.

I've been waffling, but at the moment, I'm strongly considering starting my Glock-form journey with the MR920L (Glock 19 sized frame with 17 length slide) and go from there. It's one of those sizes I always wanted Glock to make.

ETA: There was a guy in the Presscheck Consulting No Fail Pistol class last weekend who was shooting a couple comped Shadow Systems gun. He had a ton of reliability issues. I don't know which model, which comp or which ammo he was using, or if he bothered to tune springs for the comp.

[GJM]

According to one of their Technical Tuesday videos, it's based on a Gen 4 trigger system. Apparently the Gen 4/5 has a slightly smaller trigger housing than the more commonly used Gen 3 trigger system, that allows the backstrap radius to get a bit higher and tighter.

I don't know if there's any notable differences between 4 and 5.

I've been waffling, but at the moment, I'm strongly considering starting my Glock-form journey with the MR920L (Glock 19 sized frame with 17 length slide) and go from there. It's one of those sizes I always wanted Glock to make.

ETA: There was a guy in the Presscheck Consulting No Fail Pistol class last weekend who was shooting a couple comped Shadow Systems gun. He had a ton of reliability issues. I don't know which model, which comp or which ammo he was using, or if he bothered to tune springs for the comp.

I have run the Mayhem 19 comp in a number of Gen 4/and 5 slides and in the MR920, and never had a single stoppage with any ammo despite leaving the RSA stock. It seems like the KKM is more sensitive to RSA, ammo and getting dirty.

[JCN]

ETA: There was a guy in the Presscheck Consulting No Fail Pistol class last weekend who was shooting a couple comped Shadow Systems gun. He had a ton of reliability issues. I don't know which model, which comp or which ammo he was using, or if he bothered to tune springs for the comp.

FWIW, when I use a medium or larger ported comp, I usually reduce recoil spring weight in Glocks.

I’ll usually go down to 11 pounds if I’m going to run weaker ammo, but 13 works well for medium power ammo.

https://www.ndzperformance.com/glock-recoil-spring-kits-glock-19-gen-1-3-upgrades-p/ndz-g19-g3-rpr.htm

[David S.]

Shadow Systems mentioned in another Technical Tuesday YT episode to expect their guns to be more ammo and recoil spring sensitive if you use coms or suppressors, and that you may need to install a lower power recoil spring in a comped gun. As I mentioned, I'm guessing this struggling shooter didn't tune the gun.

On a completely different note, as I understand it, these guns are specifically designed to be modular. For example, you could buy a full size XR920 and a compact sized MR920L and be able to swap slides and frames around and "build" any of the four configurations that they offer. I assume you could do that with a DR920/MR920 combo too.

[DMCutter]

I don't know anything about comps but one of my MR920s has a threaded barrel and I've never had any issues running it suppressed with any weight ammo.

[psalms144.1]

So, for those of you who are Glock folks but also have an MR920, explain to me, please, what these do that makes them worth nearly twice the cost of a Gen5 G19? Not being belligerent, I'm sincerely interested as I've got an option to trade into one of these locally, but keep balking at the price tag...

[Lon]

I don’t have one yet, but I think they’ve got the best Glock clone frame out there (from what I’ve seen). I spend a couple extra hundred on frame work anyway, so the difference isn’t that great. I’ve found them on sale for @$800 local.

[David S.]

I don’t have one yet.

Optics ready versions can be found for $750-850, which is $100-200 over GEN5 MOS prices with factory dovetail protector sights.

It has what looks to be a much more solid optics cut than MOS. The screws appear to three or four times longer than most optic screws, even those used in typical direct mill job.

Includes Ameriglo sights that appear shorter than typical suppressor height sights, but should still be tall enough for most RDS applications.

Getting similar grip texture and trigger guard undercut on your Glock would easily cost $150.

Adjustable backstraps allow you to tune 1911 grip angle, Glock grip angle or something in between.

Unlike Glock, I can use the mag well (included) with any of the back straps.

Those are the reasons I’m leaning towards the SS.

Additionally, a lot of folks pay serious money for that kind of the slide milling and barrel fluting.

[David S.]

Optics ready versions can be found for $750-850, which is $100-200 over GEN5 MOS prices with factory dovetail protector sights.


It's worth adding, I still have to buy a $75 aftermarket plate from someone like FCD or CHPWS if I'm going to run an optic. I don't personally have access to blue label pricing, so that brings a NIB Glock MOS Gen 5 up to within $50 of a SS with some searching and patience.

[HCountyGuy]

I'll admit I wasn't terribly interested in these for the longest time but after fiddling with a coworker's XR920 and an MR920, Shadow Systems seems to have put together something pretty nice. Optics mounting compared to Glock is far better as it all direct mounts with spacers so no fiddling with plates unless you're trying to run an ACRO, 509T or other similar-mounting optic.

Coworker did have a PMM comp on his XR but he ordered a Gen3 and since the RSA on SS appears to be Gen4 it doesn't mate up properly. However, he didn't know that and installed it but it actually still worked without a hiccup until we figured out why the gun would stick out of battery just fiddling with it in dry-fire.

Biggest sell point for these is that they're a pre-upgraded Glocks. For what you'd likely spend to have similar stuff done to a stock Glock (decent sights, different trigger, magwell and optics ready) the price works out fairly well. I'd definitely give these a hard look.

[GJM]

I got an XR920, which is the Glock 45 configuration with a 17 grip and 19 slide. Trigger is OK for carry, but heavy for CO style shooting. Interestingly, when I drop a Gen 4 19 slide on it, the trigger is much improved.

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[JCN]

I got an XR920, which is the Glock 45 configuration with a 17 grip and 19 slide. Trigger is OK for carry, but heavy for CO style shooting. Interestingly, when I drop a Gen 4 19 slide on it, the trigger is much improved.

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Good looking gun.

Just as an informational point that you may already be well aware of:

Changing the striker spring and safety plunger spring makes a difference in the trigger pull and smoothness.

The XR920 will likely break in smoother than it is now, but you can swap some springs to speed up the process. Replacing the plunger spring is a little more of a to do on a Shadow Systems, but still enjoys the improvement in weight and smoothness by taking it apart and polishing and / or replacing to a lighter plunger spring.

[GJM]

Good looking gun.

Just as an informational point that you may already be well aware of:

Changing the striker spring and safety plunger spring makes a difference in the trigger pull and smoothness.

The XR920 will likely break in smoother than it is now, but you can swap some springs to speed up the process. Replacing the plunger spring is a little more of a to do on a Shadow Systems, but still enjoys the improvement in weight and smoothness by taking it apart and polishing and / or replacing to a lighter plunger spring.

I looked at the striker spring in the MR920, and it appeared similar to the 5.0 pound striker spring I use in my EDC Glocks. Do you have reason to believe it is 5.5 or heavier?

[JCN]

I looked at the striker spring in the MR920, and it appeared similar to the 5.0 pound striker spring I use in my EDC Glocks. Do you have reason to believe it is 5.5 or heavier?

It was more about the wearing in of springs that change in terms of binding and strength throughout the life of the spring. I wasn’t sure if the Glock slide you put on was more broken in than the XR920.

Easy check is to swap the striker assemblies and see if the better trigger follows the striker.

The plunger spring also IMO contributes a lot to the trigger strength, smoothness and quality too.

To the point where when I used the Glock Store reset trigger on a dry gun I removed the safety plunger completely and it made the trigger pull amazing. Wouldn’t do that on a live gun of course. But I am in the habit of polishing and keeping that plunger clean and smooth.

It’s just a little more of a PITA to get at in the Shadow Systems due to the optic cut retention pin.

[Tokarev]

You guys with newer MR and XR pistols: is Shadow Systems using the round tip firing pin in these along with the little rebound spring on the striker? I assume these have (or will eventually) filter down from the DR920 into the other guns.

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[Jamesa]

You guys with newer MR and XR pistols: is Shadow Systems using the round tip firing pin in these along with the little rebound spring on the striker? I assume these have (or will eventually) filter down from the DR920 into the other guns.

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I bought a MR in Sept and it has the round tip and rebound spring.

[evi1joe]

I have run the Mayhem 19 comp in a number of Gen 4/and 5 slides and in the MR920, and never had a single stoppage with any ammo despite leaving the RSA stock. It seems like the KKM is more sensitive to RSA, ammo and getting dirty.

GJM:
Did you use a "G19" or "G19gen5" mayhem barrel?
The company (now called Evo1Zero) offers both, but I don't think there is any difference between gen1-5 barrels in dimension or shape of lugs--just the "marksman" rifling and maybe the coating.
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Please keep us informed of how these run for you. I'm a bit nervous after hearing about trigger issues (Lively Outdoors on YT had one where the trigger pull got grittier and went up to 8#, and switching out the connector didn't help; his other one had a trigger spring break--but I had tons of gen3/4 19s and never broke an S-spring, though I do like that gen5s got rid of it). The only other main issue was the mag-release, but I already changed mine out for OEM extended.

I also went with the Timney Trigger to see what the fuss was about--I do love it, but the JG Kit brought the pull to like 6#, and I don't want to reduce the striker spring below 5#, so I went back to the SS connector in the JG trigger housing. Now I have a 3.5# break with no overtravel (and, sadly, very little pretravel to the wall--it's just sitting below the plunger-safety, whereas I'd like a little take-up before the wall). I may try a GHOST 5.5 tactical to get rid of the over-travel, as I like that method over a set-screw in the trigger housing.

I'm trying to decide which to keep between my MR920 and a ZEV320.
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QUESTION:
Has anyone used a GHOST fitted connector with the Timney?

[MVS]

I don’t have one yet.

Optics ready versions can be found for $750-850, which is $100-200 over GEN5 MOS prices with factory dovetail protector sights.

It has what looks to be a much more solid optics cut than MOS. The screws appear to three or four times longer than most optic screws, even those used in typical direct mill job.

Includes Ameriglo sights that appear shorter than typical suppressor height sights, but should still be tall enough for most RDS applications.

Getting similar grip texture and trigger guard undercut on your Glock would easily cost $150.

Adjustable backstraps allow you to tune 1911 grip angle, Glock grip angle or something in between.

Unlike Glock, I can use the mag well (included) with any of the back straps.

Those are the reasons I’m leaning towards the SS.

Additionally, a lot of folks pay serious money for that kind of the slide milling and barrel fluting.

I think that is a good summation. I would add that I like the way they are always answering questions and communicating with customers/potential customers. One thing they lack for me as a lefty that Gen5 finally got is ambi slide release.

[evi1joe]

I paid $700 shipped for my SS MR920 combat with optic cut and threaded barrel.

For the cut, milling, texture, backstraps, nice barrel, and steel optic-height sights, I feel like it was a great deal if it runs.

[David S.]

I paid just under $730 plus $30 for insured shipping at Dahlonega Armory, which I found on the gun.deals website. The Email for Price got me a nice $150 off. It was at my FFL in a week. That's for the Combat model (simpler slide milling) with optic cut, without threaded barrel. They quoted $90 more for the Elite model.

I'm finding Gen 5 Glocks MOS in the low $600's (non blue label pricing). If this thing runs and is accurate, then it seems like a really good value.


Pics of the optic mounting hardware (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46665-Shadow-Systems-DR920&p=1326421&viewfull=1#post1326421) and BUISs that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I paid just under $730 plus $30 for insured shipping at Dahlonega Armory, which I found on the gun.deals website. The Email for Price got me a nice $150 off. It was at my FFL in a week. That's for the Combat model (simpler slide milling) with optic cut, without threaded barrel. They quoted $90 more for the Elite model.

I'm finding Gen 5 Glocks MOS in the low $600's (non blue label pricing). If this thing runs and is accurate, then it seems like a really good value.


Pics of the optic mounting hardware (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46665-Shadow-Systems-DR920&p=1326421&viewfull=1#post1326421) and BUISs that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

I am seriously looking at these for a number of reasons. The optic mount seems like it's one of, if not, the best out there and want to mount an RMR/Deltapoint Pro straight out of box. I also like that it has backstraps which don't ADD material to the trigger reach when I really want to shorten it. There has to be some downside, likely with compatibilty of parts somewhere inside. It honestly appears to address so many shortcomings of what Glock might call "perfection", which many people spend thousands chasing to essentially rebuild the pistol from top to bottom. I like the idea of just hitting the easy button and just having it ready made and not end up with a Frankengun abortion.

[G19Fan]

I am seriously looking at these for a number of reasons. The optic mount seems like it's one of, if not, the best out there and want to mount an RMR/Deltapoint Pro straight out of box. I also like that it has backstraps which don't ADD material to the trigger reach when I really want to shorten it. There has to be some downside, likely with compatibilty of parts somewhere inside. It honestly appears to address so many shortcomings of what Glock might call "perfection", which many people spend thousands chasing to essentially rebuild the pistol from top to bottom. I like the idea of just hitting the easy button and just having it ready made and not end up with a Frankengun abortion.

They take all gen 3/gen 4 parts. Great gun

[G19Fan]

I am seriously looking at these for a number of reasons. The optic mount seems like it's one of, if not, the best out there and want to mount an RMR/Deltapoint Pro straight out of box. I also like that it has backstraps which don't ADD material to the trigger reach when I really want to shorten it. There has to be some downside, likely with compatibilty of parts somewhere inside. It honestly appears to address so many shortcomings of what Glock might call "perfection", which many people spend thousands chasing to essentially rebuild the pistol from top to bottom. I like the idea of just hitting the easy button and just having it ready made and not end up with a Frankengun abortion.

The newer ones have a proprietary firing pin even the mr920s and such. Rounded vs glock rectangular.


Personally I swap out the trigger and connector for eom glock. And I run oem glock 19 slides with a direct cut 509T

I have broken some mr920 firing pins but I have broken glock too

[Biggy]

Shadow Systems striker vs Glock OEM striker break test. https://youtu.be/S2ntF-siXVI

[G19Fan]

Shadow Systems striker vs Glock OEM striker break test. https://youtu.be/S2ntF-siXVI

Yes but generally that is not the part that breaks. Usually the Shadow system striker body breaks in half.

The tip is not the issue and a little misleading video (saying this as someone who carries a mr920 daily and owns a bunch of shadow pistols)

[G19Fan]

Shadow Systems striker vs Glock OEM striker break test. https://youtu.be/S2ntF-siXVI

Some examples. First one is how mine have broken

https://www.reddit.com/r/Glocks/comments/q9glbl/broken_firing_pin_on_my_shadow_systems_mr920_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/shadowsystems/comments/rk8vd5/broken_searstriker_for_my_mr920_kinda_glad_i_had/

That said if it breaks they will replace it. My training guns usually have ss strikers and my carry guns glock strikers

[JodyH]

How does the MR920 grip angle compare to a Zev OZ9C? How about a standard 19?
I've come to greatly prefer the Zev grip angle over the standard G19 for shooting with a red dot.
While I could just go buy a second OZ9C, if the MR920 has a similar grip angle it'll save me about $600.

[WobblyPossum]

How does the MR920 grip angle compare to a Zev OZ9C? How about a standard 19?
I've come to greatly prefer the Zev grip angle over the standard G19 for shooting with a red dot.
While I could just go buy a second OZ9C, if the MR920 has a similar grip angle it'll save me about $600.

It depends which backstrap you use. The three backstraps don’t change the grip size, they change the grip angle. According to the website, one gets you a Glock grip angle, one gets a 1911ish angle, and gets you a S&W M&P grip angle.

[Tokarev]

Some examples. First one is how mine have broken

https://www.reddit.com/r/Glocks/comments/q9glbl/broken_firing_pin_on_my_shadow_systems_mr920_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/shadowsystems/comments/rk8vd5/broken_searstriker_for_my_mr920_kinda_glad_i_had/

That said if it breaks they will replace it. My training guns usually have ss strikers and my carry guns glock strikersAny reports of broken firing pins with the new rounded tip and rebound spring?

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[G19Fan]

Any reports of broken firing pins with the new rounded tip and rebound spring?

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That I am not sure. I try to keep the non rounded slides as I like replacing the parts.

But nothing I have heard so far on the rounded ones. My cr920 one seems fine

[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems sells round and rectangular firing pins. It probably isn't a bad idea to pick up an extra to toss into the range bag.

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[G19Fan]

Shadow Systems sells round and rectangular firing pins. It probably isn't a bad idea to pick up an extra to toss into the range bag.

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My slides with the rectangular pins for carry just use oem glock firing pins. The SS one get tossed into training guns

[jlw]

It's interesting that the posts about the Shadow Systems on this forum are typically positive, but in a Facebook group dedicated to them, there seem to be a lot of reported problems of cracked frames and rusting, etc.

Are those reports just squeaky wheels looking for grease?

[Kanye Wyoming]

It's interesting that the posts about the Shadow Systems on this forum are typically positive, but in a Facebook group dedicated to them, there seem to be a lot of reported problems of cracked frames and rusting, etc.

Are those reports just squeaky wheels looking for grease?
Sample size of one. I’ve had the original MR918 for I guess about 3 years. Other than occasionally uninspired ejection, it’s been perfect through what I’d estimate are at least 2,000 rounds. No cracking or rust or anything bad. Despite being very light, it shoots VERY flat, and has some appealing features. Trigger is quite good, although I wouldn’t call it outstanding.

If only it took Glock mags. Oh wait!

[GJM]

It's interesting that the posts about the Shadow Systems on this forum are typically positive, but in a Facebook group dedicated to them, there seem to be a lot of reported problems of cracked frames and rusting, etc.

Are those reports just squeaky wheels looking for grease?

My unscientific sense is, as their pistols have become more popular and they have introduced more models, their quality has gone down. CS has also gone down.

Glock had spent decades and many millions figuring out how to scale up, and even still has tripped from time to time. Will be interesting to see if SS can successfully scale up.

[fatdog]

Will be interesting to see if SS can successfully scale up.

One of the hardest things for a company of this size to do in my experience. So many things you did and the way you did it at the lower volume may not work at the next volume/rate level. And that's before we get to what is sometimes harder, getting your line people and management team to scale up. I hope they pull it off, got my first one recently and I like it a lot.

[jlw]

My CZs are out of action until my new plates get here from the Czech Republic. I have an MR920 arriving on Monday. I ordered it because of the optic mounting system and the comments here being positive. I'm starting to have a bit of buyer's remorse wishing I would have grabbed a P320 instead.

[GearFondler]

I'm starting to have a bit of buyer's remorse wishing I would have grabbed a P320 instead.

You could make yourself just as nervous by reading some of the P320 threads here and wondering if it's actually a safe pistol yet.

[G19Fan]

My CZs are out of action until my new plates get here from the Czech Republic. I have an MR920 arriving on Monday. I ordered it because of the optic mounting system and the comments here being positive. I'm starting to have a bit of buyer's remorse wishing I would have grabbed a P320 instead.

I think you will like your mr920. I vastly prefer it to a p320

[jlw]

You could make yourself just as nervous by reading some of the P320 threads here and wondering if it's actually a safe pistol yet.

That was one of my big concerns with the 320, but the 320 and the MR920 were the only two direct mount options readily available in my time constraints.

[jlw]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/288145552_2106321192904590_5149427746277091177_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=fIVcLC9-vqIAX_hk6yJ&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9eqV0ynv8puqoQvXaaBGgURW3OszhbO4zVX2IyD6Y7 EQ&oe=62AEEF39

My MR920 arrived yesterday. I mounted an RMR on it and let it sit overnight to cure. I took it to the range today to do the 200-round break-in they suggest.

I used the first 50 rounds to zero the optic and then confirm zero out to 25 yards. I had a failure to feed in the first 10 rounds while firing. Throughout the rest of the session, I had three failures to feed on the first round in a mag from slide lock.

It feels undersprung to me. If I ease the slide forward, the recoil spring won't pull it into battery.

Rounds 51-100 were spent shooting the old Bakersfield qual followed by a bunch of failure drills.

Rounds 101-150 were spent doing emergency reloads simply because of the failure to feed issue.

Rounds 151-200 were spent doing equally divided between stong and support hand only presentations and transitions.

The pistol is very accurate. I love the mounting system. The trigger may be too good as I had a user-induced ND on one presentation.

[ChknLivrNWsky]

Hey everyone,

I found an MR920 Combat for a pretty good price from a dealer nearby that accepts their P+P program, so the pistol would cost just under $750. Other than the poster above, is the consensus still good on these? I do have a Gen 5 G19 MOS, but finding one of these for what seems like a good price has me wondering if I should jump on it.

Adding an MOS plate from FCD and changing the sights on another Gen 5 MOS would put the price pretty close to what the SS MR920 will be. I just don't want to buy something that may have issues.

Also, I can't remember for the life of me where I read it, but I could have sworn that there was mention that Shadow Systems will replace a pistol taken by Police in the event of a defensive shooting. Is this true? I know the chances are slim of it happening, but considering this will be a CCW it seems like a nice plus.

ETA: Not implying that jlw does not like his MR920, by issues I meant if anyone else was having any FTF.

[Biggy]

I currently have three Shadow Systems pistols, a MR920, MR930L and a CR920. They all have functioned flawlessly since day one and their accuracy are comparable to Gen 5 Glock 9mm’s. IMHO, their triggers out of the box are okay to not that great, but with dry firing and just shooting them, they become an okay carry trigger. Their standard optics cut is good, but they need to offer to everybody, pistols and slides with optic cuts for closed emitter type red dot optics like the ACRO, Holosun and Steiner. To me, when compared to a factory Glock, they have a much more ergonomic grip frame with very good factory texturing and a better overall optics cut. I am completely satisfied with mine and have no regrets about buying them.

[Jamesa]

Hey everyone,

I found an MR920 Combat for a pretty good price from a dealer nearby that accepts their P+P program, so the pistol would cost just under $750. Other than the poster above, is the consensus still good on these? I do have a Gen 5 G19 MOS, but finding one of these for what seems like a good price has me wondering if I should jump on it.

Adding an MOS plate from FCD and changing the sights on another Gen 5 MOS would put the price pretty close to what the SS MR920 will be. I just don't want to buy something that may have issues.

Also, I can't remember for the life of me where I read it, but I could have sworn that there was mention that Shadow Systems will replace a pistol taken by Police in the event of a defensive shooting. Is this true? I know the chances are slim of it happening, but considering this will be a CCW it seems like a nice plus.

ETA: Not implying that jlw does not like his MR920, by issues I meant if anyone else was having any FTF.

I bought a 920 last September and currently have about 4,800 rounds through it. Similar to Mr Weems, I had a few failures to feed during the first 50 rounds. Since that point if has run flawlessly. Zero problems.

[jlw]

I ran it today on the first day of Andy Stanford's Speed Shooting Summit. It ran flawlessly, but I confess to gaming when we shot for score by downloading one round from my mags. The round count today was a little over 100.

[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems will replace a pistol taken by Police in the event of a defensive shooting. Is this true?



Trevor mentioned it in one of his "technical Tuesday" videos.

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[David S.]

I have about 1k rounds through a DR920 and 500 through a MR920L. Both have run without hiccup after the first 100 or so round "break in period." The triggers have been good on my examples, breaking about 4.5 lbs on my analog Wheeler scales.

My biggest gripe is the lack of a SCD, tho I understand The Gadget can be modified to work.

If you like their feature set, I think they're a good value compared to Glocks.

[Biggy]

Nothing wrong with using a SGD/ gadget, but *I* really don't need one. Just like a manual thumb safety or keeping your finger out of the trigger guard until it's time, you still have to remember to use /do it.

[jlw]

One failure to feed in a demo over the weekend; two more shooting drills today.

[cornstalker]

Trevor mentioned it in one of his "technical Tuesday" videos.

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It is also covered on the last page of the owner's manuals that I have.

[backtrail540]

For those interested in trying a SS frame on one of their 19's (for gadget compatibility or direct milled optics for instance), Black Phoenix has complete lowers for $299.99. Solid price.

https://blackphoenixcustoms.com/shadow-systems-mr920l-complete-frame.html

[cornstalker]

GJM or anyone else that has an MR/XR920 with a factory threaded barrel.

Could you please measure the overall length of the portion of the barrel that protrudes beyond the slide, and/or the length of the shoulder?

Thanks.

[backtrail540]

GJM or anyone else that has an MR/XR920 with a factory threaded barrel.

Could you please measure the overall length of the portion of the barrel that protrudes beyond the slide, and/or the length of the shoulder?

Thanks.

I got 1.025 with the cap off.

[cornstalker]

I got 1.025 with the cap off.

Thanks. There is a full inch of barrel a sticking out forward out of the slide?

[backtrail540]

Thanks. There is a full inch of barrel a sticking out forward out of the slide?

Goodness no!!! What a mistake on my part. I must've accidentally zeroed it between remeasures and doubled my number. .630. Oooff, what a dope...:p

91022

[DMCutter]

General MR920 related: my wife finally let me take my 13 year old grandson to the range Friday. After some mighty fine shooting on the rifle range with my Sig 516 and suppressed MCX 300 we headed over to the pistol pit. He started off making some solid A zone torso hits on an IPSC silhouette at 15 yards with the MR920/RMR but told me he was actually aiming at the A zone in the head. We worked on his grip and stance a little bit and in no time he was knocking down plates with regularity. After the first round he said he was surprised by the recoil-I guess first person shooter games don't include that feature...all in all, a really solid outing.

[cornstalker]

Goodness no!!! What a mistake on my part. I must've accidentally zeroed it between remeasures and doubled my number. .630. Oooff, what a dope...:p

91022

Lol. It’s all good. I appreciate the help. I was trying to see if a PMM comp would work with it. They are spec’ed for .617”

[GibsonBanjos]

Does anyone happen to know if adapter plates made specifically for the Glock MOS series are compatible with Shadow's optic cut? I just picked up an MPS the other day, but the only other company (Primary Machine's .150" plate), per my research and contact with Shadow's customer support, that makes RMR to ACRO footprint adapter plates is currently OOS for another month with this particular plate.

I stumbled across an adapter plate from CHPWS that's specifically made for an MPS to mount onto MOS cuts, so I'm currently wondering if said adapter plate would reliably fit onto my XR920. I guess you could say that I'm getting restless at this point lol.

[jlw]

I've put 75-ish rounds through it since installing the new spring, and it has run like a champ. I want to do some more work it before I pronounce it "okay".

[David S.]

Does anyone happen to know if adapter plates made specifically for the Glock MOS series are compatible with Shadow's optic cut? I just picked up an MPS the other day, but the only other company (Primary Machine's .150" plate), per my research and contact with Shadow's customer support, that makes RMR to ACRO footprint adapter plates is currently OOS for another month with this particular plate.

I stumbled across an adapter plate from CHPWS that's specifically made for an MPS to mount onto MOS cuts, so I'm currently wondering if said adapter plate would reliably fit onto my XR920. I guess you could say that I'm getting restless at this point lol.

MOS and Shadow Systems are a completely different animal with no crossover.

AFAIK, the 509T using the included RMR adapter plate is only current production closed emitter option for the standard Shadow Systems lineup. The Holosun EPS (RMR footprint) should be the next option available to us normies, whenever it releases.

Also, AFAIK, Coppers can special order ACRO footprint guns, but I don’t know if they are compatible with the MPS.

[jlw]

Does anyone happen to know if adapter plates made specifically for the Glock MOS series are compatible with Shadow's optic cut? I just picked up an MPS the other day, but the only other company (Primary Machine's .150" plate), per my research and contact with Shadow's customer support, that makes RMR to ACRO footprint adapter plates is currently OOS for another month with this particular plate.

I stumbled across an adapter plate from CHPWS that's specifically made for an MPS to mount onto MOS cuts, so I'm currently wondering if said adapter plate would reliably fit onto my XR920. I guess you could say that I'm getting restless at this point lol.

You don't need optic plates at all with the MR920. The pistol will come with a spacer/screw kit for pretty much all of the standard top screw mounting optics.

[backtrail540]

You don't need optic plates at all with the MR920. The pistol will come with a spacer/screw kit for pretty much all of the standard top screw mounting optics.

But you would need to run a plate to run one of the optics (enclosed emitter, cross bolt style mounted) that he was asking about. It's probably a poor solution vs getting a combat slide direct milled for the enclosed emitter optic of choice, imo.


But some are doing it like this

p/CfxUcCyBP4l

[jlw]

Correct.

The Shadow Systems stuff is proprietary.

[Biggy]

FYI, the new Sig Romeo 2 RD pistol sight *does fit* and direct mounts to the MR920 and DR920 pistols. You will need to fit (sand down) one of the polymer recoil spacers to fit the gap behind the RDS which is approximately .075". I also have an Aimpoint ACRO P2 that has been direct milled to a Glock GEN 4 OEM slide. I like both of these sights, but I like the Romeo 2's window size more, it's seems a little more forgiving and faster to pick up the dot, *to me*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJA9Z1Tu3mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT1rC-eCFwk

https://i.imgur.com/44jZrpkh.jpg

[Tokarev]

Interesting development for those running a Shadow Systems and who want a closed emitter option:

https://chpws.com/search-results/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=July%2022nd%20Clearance%20and%20Shado w%20Systems&q=shadow%20systems&_rmId=Mero7rwKNKsbVepGjKrBUORxNw8o7JHnxMb

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[ChknLivrNWsky]

I was finally able to shoot my MR920 Combat. I didn't count exactly how many rounds I put through it but it was close to about 150. I mainly wanted to get the "break in" period out of the way. I was shooting some Federal 115 gr cheap stuff I bought recently. The pistol ran without a single issue.

One thing I will say is that I did get a few cases of brass coming down hitting me on the top of my head (not exactly BTF), it just seemed like weak ejection. I didn't put much weight into this because the Federal 115 I was shooting was pretty mild. I ran some of it in a VP9 SK alongside and it had the same weak ejection.

I also ran a couple magazines of Gold Dot 124 gr +P. It ran fine, but I didn't pay too much attention to ejection of spent casings.

Two things that I came across:

1) After picking it up from my FFL, I immediately swapped the magazine release with the Vickers magazine release button (from reading here and elsewhere I saw that this was preferred if running OEM Glock magazines). I noticed that with the Vickers magazine release installed, the Magpul magazines that came with the pistol would snag something in the grip (I'm 99% sure this was the magazine release) when inserted at an angle. It was enough of a snag that it would be a hard stop and the magazine would have to be sort of redirected to get in. I did not have this issue at all with OEM Glock magazines.

I did not try this with the original Shadow Systems magazine release, I didn't care enough to switch it back since the OEM Glock magazines were fine and the only Magpul mags I had were the two that came with the pistol.

2) My MR920 came with a threaded barrel. I noticed some chipping in the barrel threads when I took off the thread protector for the first time. It's nothing too obnoxious but I do wonder what could have caused that. One thing that did annoy me was that the thread protector kept coming loose as I was shooting the pistol. The only other pistol with a threaded barrel that I've shot was a VP9 T with a thread protector that was on extremely tight and would not budge during firing. I'm not sure if the loose thread protector on this shadow is the norm for threaded pistol barrels or not.

It's not the biggest deal in the world, since I want to try to source a non threaded replacement barrel for it anyway. Or drop a Gen 5 OEM barrel if it will fit (I'm not 100% sure if this will work). It's just a little annoying having to constantly retighten it.

[jlw]

This weekend, I had several failures to feed from slide lock on fully loaded Magpul mags. I do not recall any issues with Glock factory mags. With the Magpuls, I try to run them at 14 rounds, but I didn't think about when loading this time.

[maximus83]

Perspective of an SS newbie. Test-fired an MR920 rental at my range, comparing to a G45 MOS rental. Except for the grip angle and cosmetics, in every other way I shot the G45 better and preferred it over the MR920. It's a soft recoil impulse on the G45, even compared to my G19, and my sample's trigger pull consistently came out between 4 lb 13 oz and 5 lb 2 oz on the lower 1/3 of the trigger shoe. I preferred the well broken-in rental G45 trigger to the broken-in MR920 stock trigger. I was more accurate with the G45 than the MR920 as well, and found it equally fast to get back on target. After putting a bunch of rounds and different loads downrange thru both, bought a G45. My 'transition' :p from M&P 1 (+ lots of Apex hardware), to M&P 2.0 (+ more Apex hardware), to the M&P 2.1 (the new 4.25 lb bladed trigger--still inconsistent barrel mechanical precision at 15+ yards, though), and finally to Glock....is complete. Not even slightly tempted by SS platform, based on my sample of one. But man, they totally look cool. And...that grip angle rocks.

Also ETA, I realize a better comparison would have been G19 vs MR920, or G45 vs DR920. Unfortunately the range didn't have a DR920 rental, and I was interested in trying the g45 with the longer grip.

[Andy T]

I picked up a MR920 last week. Today at the range I noticed a strange issue with the trigger. I have to pull the trigger too far back (almost touching the frame) before it releases the striker. This is very different from my DR920.
I would appreciate any "pointers" as Shadow Systems support is MIA. The MR's recoil spring also feels like it is barely enough to close the slide on an empty chamber, but it was able to cycle wolf ammo.

[G19Fan]

I picked up a MR920 last week. Today at the range I noticed a strange issue with the trigger. I have to pull the trigger too far back (almost touching the frame) before it releases the striker. This is very different from my DR920.
I would appreciate any "pointers" as Shadow Systems support is MIA. The MR's recoil spring also feels like it is barely enough to close the slide on an empty chamber, but it was able to cycle wolf ammo.

I am a long time Shadow System fan and have 5 or so MR920s.

Personally I use the frame and sell everything else. I strip internal parts and sell the slide too. Then use oem Glock for everything

My MR920s were pre CR920 release and I had 2 sticky triggers and 3 guns that didn't cycle right/light strikes.

No issues once I swapped everything to oem Glock. 50k rounds on one.

Their QC and customer service has gotten substantially worse since the CR920. Even frames are coming out of spec now. I had 3 CR920s.

Two had to go back and were still not running when returned. What was annoying to me is on one of them i told them more about how to potentially fix the issue vs their techs. They were sold to buyers at a steep discount with full disclosure.

The one that did run my buddy purchased. But as his round counts have increased his is acting up too.

Another friend brought a new MR920 and DR920 and had a broker firing pin (MR920) and dead trigger (DR920) within 800 rounds. His MR920 frame was also out of spec and had to go back for return to battery/light primer strike issues. He was reissued a brand new frame with a different serial from SS.

I would not buy a SS going forward after my CR920 experiences. In fact my CR920 experiences were so poor that I started using a P365XL as my CCW and general purpose gun (which my wife has been hoping for anyways).

I do love the ones I have. A complete Gen 4 oem Glock slide and Glock internals will get you in a good place.

SS customer service and warranties have been overwhelmed. One of my CR920s was there for over 2 months, came back still finicky.

[GJM]

Gosh, this making a better Glock thing is harder than it looks.

[newyork]

Seriously. That’s a lot of work around. Buy a Glock. Stipple the frame if really needed. Gadget if really needed. Sights. Done.

[jlw]

Seriously. That’s a lot of work around. Buy a Glock. Stipple the frame if really needed. Gadget if really needed. Sights. Done.

Agreed, or just by the CZ P10 C and get more for less. In my opinion, the only selling point for the Shadow Systems is the optic mounting system.

[Tokarev]

Jeez. Disappointing to hear these troubles. I'm an early adopter with the purchase of an MR918. That gun was followed up with an MR920. Then a DR920 and, finally, the XR920.

All have been fine although the XR has a noticeably worse trigger than the other guns. But, like Glock, triggers generally smooth themselves up a little bit with use. I'm hoping the XR will sort of settle itself in.

With this all said, I guess I'm not shocked. Shadow Systems isn't the first company to become a victim of its own success.

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[Biggy]

I have three Shadow Systems pistols, a MR920, MR920L and a CR920. All mine have ran fine since day one with no issues at all. I have had my MR920 and MR920L for about a year and I have around 2,000 rounds through the MR’s and around 800 rounds through the CR920. The only thing that could be improved some on my pistols would be the triggers. They are not bad but not great either, they are Glock like. I really like mine and have no regrets about them. IMHO, in the last year or two quality/quality control has slipped on just about everything from auto makers to gun makers, fast food and everything in between, and there are many reasons why. I also take everything I hear on the internet with a grain of salt. MAGA in November!!!

[G19Fan]

Agreed, or just by the CZ P10 C and get more for less. In my opinion, the only selling point for the Shadow Systems is the optic mounting system.

Agreed. If I was not so vested on the g19 platform I would have gone p10c.

Not basically carrying an 365xl daily and don't plan to go back to a g19

[newyork]

I haven’t seen the p10c mentioned a lot here anymore. Why not the standard g19 anymore? 365xl does it better?

[GJM]

I haven’t seen the p10c mentioned a lot here anymore. Why not the standard g19 anymore? 365xl does it better?

While the 365 family reaches toward the 19, with the macro and XL, and the 19 family reaches towards a 365 with the 26 and a chopped 19, they really are different, as in slimline vs midsize pistols.

[G19Fan]

I haven’t seen the p10c mentioned a lot here anymore. Why not the standard g19 anymore? 365xl does it better?

I still shoot a 19 with faster splits (can get down to 0.18 if really on for a bill drill). A p365xl I can get to (0.21 to 0.24). I feel for ccw that difference doesn't matter

I am more accurate witha. P365xl vs a g19 though a little slower. This is 30 to 100 yard accuracy

P365xl is also more comfortable to carry. Looking forward to getting a macro eventually

[mizer67]

Has anyone been able to get ahold of Shadow Systems customer service anytime recently?

I recently picked up a DR920, my first SS pistol as I wanted to start transitioning to red dots and liked the format.

I've tried calling, e-mailing (X5) and left voice messages (multiples of each over a ~week) with no response. If anyone has a direct line to a CS agent, can you PM me? I can't get anyone to respond.

[Andy T]

Has anyone been able to get ahold of Shadow Systems customer service anytime recently?

I recently picked up a DR920, my first SS pistol as I wanted to start transitioning to red dots and liked the format.

I've tried calling, e-mailing (X5) and left voice messages (multiples of each over a ~week) with no response. If anyone has a direct line to a CS agent, can you PM me? I can't get anyone to respond.

Same experience here. I was able to get Shadow Systems support on the phone about 3 weeks ago. But radio silence for the past week. Time to take it to social media?

[mizer67]

Same experience here. I was able to get Shadow Systems support on the phone about 3 weeks ago. But radio silence for the past week. Time to take it to social media?

Probably. I hate airing any dirty laundry without giving the company a chance to take appropriate action, but if they won't respond...squeaky wheel theory applies.

I'm not a particularly patient person but a week feels like a good amount of time to respond to your customer to me.

[G19Fan]

Try calling 2 to 3pm central time. I have had best results then

I have my own issues either their cs. Multiple times claiming something was fixed when ti was not. Ans recently mailing me back a gun without notifying me

[DamnYankee]

I am a long time Shadow System fan and have 5 or so MR920s.

Personally I use the frame and sell everything else. I strip internal parts and sell the slide too. Then use oem Glock for everything

My MR920s were pre CR920 release and I had 2 sticky triggers and 3 guns that didn't cycle right/light strikes.

No issues once I swapped everything to oem Glock. 50k rounds on one.

Their QC and customer service has gotten substantially worse since the CR920. Even frames are coming out of spec now. I had 3 CR920s.

Two had to go back and were still not running when returned. What was annoying to me is on one of them i told them more about how to potentially fix the issue vs their techs. They were sold to buyers at a steep discount with full disclosure.

The one that did run my buddy purchased. But as his round counts have increased his is acting up too.

Another friend brought a new MR920 and DR920 and had a broker firing pin (MR920) and dead trigger (DR920) within 800 rounds. His MR920 frame was also out of spec and had to go back for return to battery/light primer strike issues. He was reissued a brand new frame with a different serial from SS.

I would not buy a SS going forward after my CR920 experiences. In fact my CR920 experiences were so poor that I started using a P365XL as my CCW and general purpose gun (which my wife has been hoping for anyways).

I do love the ones I have. A complete Gen 4 oem Glock slide and Glock internals will get you in a good place.

SS customer service and warranties have been overwhelmed. One of my CR920s was there for over 2 months, came back still finicky.

G19Fan
What OEM Glock parts do you use for your MR920’s? Which Gen slides and parts will work? I think I want to give this a shot. I love the SS frame. It fits me well. Thanks.

[HCM]

Gosh, this making a better Glock thing is harder than it looks.

Less so if you don’t treat your customers and employees like shit.

PSA has done surprisingly well with the Dagger at a fraction of the cost of the SS pistols.

[G19Fan]

G19Fan
What OEM Glock parts do you use for your MR920’s? Which Gen slides and parts will work? I think I want to give this a shot. I love the SS frame. It fits me well. Thanks.

Gen 4 slide

Gen 4 internals. Gen 3 trigger works

If yoy want a Gen 4 slide cut for a 509t, shout

[DamnYankee]

Gen 4 slide

Gen 4 internals. Gen 3 trigger works

If yoy want a Gen 4 slide cut for a 509t, shout

Would you happen to have any pics of this combo? Interested to see what it looks like.

[G19Fan]

Would you happen to have any pics of this combo? Interested to see what it looks like.

I sure do. Here you go.

Prior to me moving to the P365XL with a macro grip, this was my preferred G19 setup (and I have a few of these still)

Shadow Systems Frame. Glock everything else (internals, slide, etc). Direct cut 509T that sits super low. I use standard height sights (defoors) and they are lower 1/10 cowitness which is perfect for me

Have a burnt bronze version of this slide availiable for sale as it's a backup and like I said I went full time tot he P365XL series.

https://imgur.com/a/8P4X1xi

[DamnYankee]

I sure do. Here you go.

Prior to me moving to the P365XL with a macro grip, this was my preferred G19 setup (and I have a few of these still)

Shadow Systems Frame. Glock everything else (internals, slide, etc). Direct cut 509T that sits super low. I use standard height sights (defoors) and they are lower 1/10 cowitness which is perfect for me

Have a burnt bronze version of this slide availiable for sale as it's a backup and like I said I went full time tot he P365XL series.

https://imgur.com/a/8P4X1xi
Thanks!