Shot Show 2020

[Hieronymous]

Thought we should get a Shot Show thread started. Looking forward to reports from any PF’ers who go. What have you guys heard? What are you looking forward to? Ive only been once. For those who regularly go, is Shot basically the same, or has it changed over the years?

[spyderco monkey]

Thought we should get a Shot Show thread started. Looking forward to reports from any PF’ers who go. What have you guys heard? What are you looking forward to? Ive only been once. For those who regularly go, is Shot basically the same, or has it changed over the years?

Shot is 98% the same year after year.

What makes it exciting is the 2% that changes.

[spyderco monkey]

I'm going this year.

Things I'm personally interested in:

-Spyderco Booth: They always display their prototype knives that will be available in 1-2 years.

-NGSW. The Army's new 6.8 weapons systems and ammo. Hoping to see SIG's, TV/GD's Bullpup, and perhaps the Textron offering at the H&K Booth.

-True Velocity. They are reportedly launching their Polymer Case ammunition for the civilian market at SHOT 2020. Hoping to find out exactly what a polymer case 5.56 and 7.62 weighs.

-Shell Shock. Currently they offer 9x19 aluminum/steel cases. I'm hoping they finally offer 5.56 cases this year, and I intend to beg them to make a 5.7x28 case.

-B&T. As I've done the last 2 years, I intend to beg them to make a B&T TP9 that takes Glock mags.

-Ruger. Looking forward to seeing the Ruger 57, along with the new Super GP100.

-Colt. Obviously, need to oggle and dryfire the new Python.

[OlongJohnson]

Someone (everyone) please beat up Ruger about making a 5.5-6 inch version of the SP101 in .327 Fed.

If not that, a 5.5-7.5 inch Single Seven Bisley stainless in .327 Fed.

Better yet, badger them about the custom shop actually being a custom shop. At least to the level of allowing ordering combinations of parts that they already make but don't assemble as standard SKUs. Custom assembly, not necessarily custom manufacturing or gunsmithing. Such as the above Bisley model...

And a PCC with a fixed barrel. There are several of us here who would buy one if we were sure the barrel would stay attached.

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Check out the P210 Legends at Legacy Sports. Pricing and variants.

[Sero Sed Serio]

Who is going? Are we doing a meetup? I’ll be there Wed - Sat...

[orionz06]

Sat-Sat

[RevolverRob]

Crye/Vantage Six12

A Walther PPK in .32 (or .32 NAA?), a P5 Compact would be sweet too.

Ruger Super GP100s with 3” barrels and compact grips.

That’s all I want. Someone keep an eye out for me.

Oh yea tell Smith and Wesson we want a fucking Airweight (Aluminum not Scandium) with a pin on front sight FFS.

[zeleny]

I am attending the media events.

[Bucky]

Thought we should get a Shot Show thread started. Looking forward to reports from any PF’ers who go. What have you guys heard? What are you looking forward to? Ive only been once. For those who regularly go, is Shot basically the same, or has it changed over the years?

I predict many new 1911 and AR variants.

I have a real flare for predictions, in fact some even say I’m a bit psychotic.

[5pins]

I will be there for two days and looking now at what I want to look at.

[HCountyGuy]

I’ll follow with moderate interest and one of these years I’d love to go. I have to wonder how relevant it is anymore though, what with manufacturers releasing stuff throughout the year.

[Gater]

Sounds like Federal is releasing a bunch of new stuff, including a value priced defensive pistol line and a .380 load for their "Hydra Shok Deep" line.

[John Ralston]

I'll be there Sun-Sat and showing my stuff at the VZ Grips Booth (#2243). Looking forward to checking out a LTT 92. I don't get out of the booth much, but always run out to see a few things on my list.

[Inkwell 41]

Here’s hoping for more AR variations and GLOCK 19 copies. Some affordable 1911’s from Asia would be cool. Ultimately, a SIG 320 X5 Legion, with a multi-chromatic frame would be sweet. Fingers crossed.

Seriously though, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Smith and Wesson announced the option of K, L and N frames without a lock. Nor would I be disappointed if Winchester delivered a Model 70 Featherweight with irons and an 18ish” barrel, in 308.

[ralph]

I’d like to see CZ come out with optic ready P-07/09’s and while we’re on the subject, ditto for HK, maybe an optics ready HK45c, and a P-30..I know I’m dreaming that HK would ever do anything like that, but, I could see CZ doing it, to me, that’s the next logical step with theP-07/09 series..

[call_me_ski]

So my wants are rather simple and boring this year.

Glock 43x with rail. (Add an MOS variant for a shield RMSc if they want to actually do something interesting)

Glock 46.

Glock 47.

Sig USSOCOM SURG upper.

Colt to support their 901 and CM series guns more.

They funny thing is that none of it is new. I just want them to take my money on the items.

The Sig MCX Spear would be cool as well.

All my other bases are covered at the moment by other items.

A very aggressive Schmidt and Bender LEO/Mil purchase program would be well received by me as well.

[SoCalDep]

From the perspective of going to SHOT for fun, it’s neat to be able to see the “new” things and at least get hands on things I’m considering purchasing. At this point though it’s almost more fun to see people in one place that I don’t get to see all the time. Last year A few of us had the opportunity to have a long talk with Ernest Langdon and Jason Burton about all things Beretta, 1911, and Burger King... truly awesome experience.

From a work perspective, it saves time in that I’m not playing phone or email tag and can get answers to questions all in one trip. It also helps keep me aware of what is out there in the industry. There are a couple “new” things I’ll be looking at, but mostly trying to arrange department T&E for some projects and gauge where things are going. Some things I’ll be focusing on (not necessarily new):

Duty Holsters that can accommodate accessories such as optics and WMLs/pressure switches
Pistol Optics Including compact pistol optics
Compact WMLs
Low power variable rifle optics

I doubt there will be anything super exciting but I’ll leave knowing what my year is gonna look like from a project perspective.

[John Ralston]

From the perspective of going to SHOT for fun, it’s neat to be able to see the “new” things and at least get hands on things I’m considering purchasing. At this point though it’s almost more fun to see people in one place that I don’t get to see all the time. Last year A few of us had the opportunity to have a long talk with Ernest Langdon and Jason Burton about all things Beretta, 1911, and Burger King... truly awesome experience.

From a work perspective, it saves time in that I’m not playing phone or email tag and can get answers to questions all in one trip. It also helps keep me aware of what is out there in the industry. There are a couple “new” things I’ll be looking at, but mostly trying to arrange department T&E for some projects and gauge where things are going. Some things I’ll be focusing on (not necessarily new):

Duty Holsters that can accommodate accessories such as optics and WMLs/pressure switches
Pistol Optics Including compact pistol optics
Compact WMLs
Low power variable rifle optics

I doubt there will be anything super exciting but I’ll leave knowing what my year is gonna look like from a project perspective.

Talking with Burton isn't all that exciting...

[RAM Engineer]

Colt stainless traditional series, since the stainless series 70 is no more.

STI Staccato stuff

Glock 43X compact

[RAM Engineer]

The Sig MCX Spear would be cool as well.

We have very similar wants. But what’s this one?

[call_me_ski]

We have very similar wants. But what’s this one?

https://www.militarytimes.com/video/2019/10/11/gearscout-guide-first-look-at-the-sig-sauer-mcx-spear-next-gen-squad-weapon-rifle/

It is the Sig entry for the Army NGSW-R in 6.8x51. In short it is a 308 sized MCX.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

Talking with Burton isn't all that exciting...SoCalDep posts he enjoyed chatting up Burton and you shoot it down. What's the story?

[Robinson]

Colt stainless traditional series, since the stainless series 70 is no more.t

The Colt 1911 Classic has been available in stainless for a while now, both 45 and 38 Super.

[HCountyGuy]

Glock 43X compact

Wouldn’t that just be a Glock 43....? Or are you wanting an even shorter barrel?

[HCountyGuy]

Things that would be interesting even if completely unlikely:

- HK VP45 introduced with only a button mag release just to anger purists.
- P320 chambered in 5.7 because can’t let others expand in to 5.7 offerings without more competition.
- Glock announcing they’re partnering with Tau Dev Group and The Gadget will be standard on all future Glocks.
- Return of the Hudson H9, manufactured by Kimber (Springfield or Colt if you want the gun to have a chance).
- Sig introduces a special edition Jack Wilson P229, only available in .357 Sig.
- Langdon pimps out an XD and the hate for the platform evaporates before SHOT Show is over.

[RAM Engineer]

The Colt 1911 Classic has been available in stainless for a while now, both 45 and 38 Super.

I don’t see it in their website. Got a link?

[RAM Engineer]

Wouldn’t that just be a Glock 43....? Or are you wanting an even shorter barrel?

I want a 43 sized gun that will accept 43x-width magazines. It would be physically identical to a 43 but 1mm wider and have a beveled nose. And it will take 10-round 43x mags as extended mags.

[Xhado]

Looking forward to hearing about the new thin MRDS people have been hinting about.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

It's a joke. They hang out together in the same booth at the show...Thanks. I was hoping it was an in-joke... ;)

[John Ralston]

It's a joke. They hang out together in the same booth at the show...


:cool::cool:

[Robinson]

I don’t see it in their website. Got a link?

There are a bunch on Gunbroker:

https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Pistols/search?IncludeSellers=2013644&PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=2&Ch-manufacturerName=Colt

[OlongJohnson]

Things that would be interesting even if completely unlikely:

- Sig introduces a special edition Jack Wilson P229, only available in .357 Sig.

Close enough? https://osagecountyguns.com/firearms/handguns/sig-sauer-p226-9mm-texas-edition-rosewood-grips-engraved-e26r-9-tx.html

What the hell... Might as well ad USPs getting Pic rails to my wish list.

[MolonLabe416]

I’d like to see S&W reintroduce the 315 in a 3” barrel.

A Ruger 10/57 would be dandy. As would an updated Ruger 10/357.

[KevH]

I'd like a 32 H&R J-frame re-introduced.

...other than that there isn't much that would excite me.

[spyderco monkey]

I'd like a 32 H&R J-frame re-introduced.

...other than that there isn't much that would excite me.

I'm surprised we haven't seen a Scandium 6 shot Jframe ala 340PD. That would be a real winner.

[bshnt2015]

I'll be attending SHOT 2020. I'll try to post up some inform when I can.

[Jason Burton]

.... Last year A few of us had the opportunity to have a long talk with Ernest Langdon and Jason Burton about all things Beretta, 1911, and Burger King... truly awesome experience....

Wait... did I tell the Whopper-Challenge story last year?? ;);)

I'll be at SHOT as always... spreading the gospel of the 1911. :cool:

[mtnbkr]

Glock announcing they’re partnering with Tau Dev Group and The Gadget will be standard on all future Glocks.

Heads would explode. All those people who said it wasn't necessary or that their finger was their safety would have to change their tune because #GlockPerfection

Chris

[Clusterfrack]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200112/67b369676bafc3f2787b199a48041081.jpg

[vandal]

Shot show 2020 the big announcement will be that Shot Show 2021 will be just Instagram.


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[CWM11B]

I'd be happy to see it come back to Orlando so I could drive down. They used to move it around some. After years of wanting to go, I made it in 2017. It was neat to see, but the cost of airfare, hassle of flying, etc.isnt worth it for me. Plus, Vegas isn't really my kind of place. Glad I saw it, dont need to go back.

[Brianjkeene]

Hoping for an updated g43 based on the 43x. Maybe with 8rd capacity?

[Bucky]

Hoping for an updated g43 based on the 43x. Maybe with 8rd capacity?

Shield Arms (once they fill orders) should make a shortened 10 round magazine. Then we could cut down G43X and G48s to fit. :)

[JHC]

The DWX Compact. The pistol that has frozen all my other 1911 planning . . .

[wvincent]

The DWX Compact. The pistol that has frozen all my other 1911 planning . . .

I wish you were closer to me, I would have you give my Staccato C a whirl, it blew my mind.
I have NEVER enjoyed a semi auto this much.

[JHC]

I wish you were closer to me, I would have you give my Staccato C a whirl, it blew my mind.
I have NEVER enjoyed a semi auto this much.

I'm keeping a close eye on those too as well as the P. The DWX is more of an unknown since so much Staccato info is out'n about.

[JHC]

This is kinda cool from Wilson Combat. A subcompact version of the EDC X9.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbN8lqgKJY&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=Wilson+Combat&utm_campaign=4a5b959d1f-New_products_12_13_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d7d9381842-4a5b959d1f-35744409&mc_cid=4a5b959d1f&mc_eid=92958a178c

[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems has a new pistol being announced according to their social media.

I assume it is a G17 version of the MR918.

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[MistWolf]

If you're going to go only for a couple of days, go at the beginning of the week. By the time Thursday rolls around, everyone is burned out and just waiting to fold their tents and go home.

I don't think Wilson goes to SHOT.

I'd like to see Sig introduce a pistol with a P365 slide cut for optics on a P365XL frame.

[mmc45414]

Magpul is doing a Backpacker stock for the Ruger PCC:
https://magpul.com/shot-2020-announcements#ruger-pc

[El Cid]

I’d love it if folks would constantly harass Surefire. Where is the XH55G they’ve been showing for years?? Even better I need a couple XR2’s with the green laser they showed last year.

Also, Unity Tactical... stop coming up with new ideas and products until you can actually make and sell existing products. Nothing is ever in stock anymore. The Velcro beacon lights were supposed to be available in a variety of colors. Now you can’t even get the original red... where is the Hot Button?

Finally, Aimpoint - stop lying to us on your data sheets/website. We all know the ACRO battery life is 5% of what they claim. Ideally fix the battery life... but how they advertise what they do with a clear conscience is beyond me.

[AJLooch]

If you're going to go only for a couple of days, go at the beginning of the week. By the time Thursday rolls around, everyone is burned out and just waiting to fold their tents and go home.

I don't think Wilson goes to SHOT.

I'd like to see Sig introduce a pistol with a P365 slide cut for optics on a P365XL frame.

Come to think of it, th flats time I went, several years ago I didn't see Wilson. Makes me respect them more to not pay the huge ransom to attend SHOT just to have the 15% of show attended who are there to actually conduct business be able to deal with them face to face.

[Clusterfrack]

https://lancer-systems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/laugo-alien-se-deposit-webthumb.jpg

https://lancer-systems.com/product/laugo-alien-signature-edition-pistol-50-deposit/

[Clay1]

Shadow Systems has a new pistol being announced according to their social media.

I assume it is a G17 version of the MR918.

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I'm following this too, will be interested to see what is the new offering.

[HCM]

Looking forward to hearing about the new thin MRDS people have been hinting about.

Which one ?

[Shorikid]

The DWX Compact. The pistol that has frozen all my other 1911 planning . . .

You and me both. There is one shop "local" to me that stocks plenty of CZ goodness. Hopefully they will get one in. I have my eyes on a 92X compact if these do not materialize by June or so though.

[mmc45414]

They used to move it around some. … It was neat to see, but the cost of airfare, hassle of flying, etc.isnt worth it for me.
This is a bit of a hijack, but the NRA Annual Meeting does move around. Not to infer that it is the same as SHOT, but there are a lotta vendors. Maybe not so many new product announcements, but plenty of stuff to fondle. I like it that guns on display are samples, not some dude's inventory (I do not like asking to get stuff out of the case I am not ready to buy).

Last year was Indy, this year is Nashville. They also try to pick places that are carry friendly (not always, they try) and that is important to me, just in principal if nothing else.

[farscott]

https://lancer-systems.com/product/laugo-alien-signature-edition-pistol-50-deposit/

I am intrigued by the Alien as it has several features from other designs, such as the HK P7 delayed blowback and a sight rail above the slide, combined in a fascinating manner. I wonder how the heat issue with delayed blowback was solved, and what the price of a regular pistol will be. $5000 for a "signature edition" is not exactly forecasting a mass-market entry point. Seeing as the pistol is being built in the Czech Republic, labor costs should be low enough for pricing lower than a Wilson Combat CQB.

[HeavyDuty]

Can somebody stop by Safariland and kneecap them for killing off HolsterOps? And then return every subsequent day to do it again?

They are the single most opaque company to deal with I’ve ever seen in any field, and HolsterOps people were great at cutting through the bullshit to sell you what you were looking for but couldn’t identify.

[MistWolf]

...I wonder how the heat issue with delayed blowback was solved...
Depending on what delayed blow back design they used, there may not be a heat issue at all.

[blues]

I'm interested in the DCC monoblocks which can replace plastic or metal holster clips. I'd like to try a few of those.

[Xhado]

Which one ?

We've already seen Holosuns three new offerings, still waiting to see if Vortex is planning on publicly releasing their new offering.

[HeavyDuty]

We've already seen Holosuns three new offerings, still waiting to see if Vortex is planning on publicly releasing their new offering.

Wake me up when a mini RMR is announced...

[JPedersen]

Redacted... Dumb question. My bad.

[CWM11B]

mmc45414: yeah, NRAAM does move around, and I've been twice. It's not as big as SHOT, but I'll go again when it comes to my region (if it's in a town I can bear visiting). NRAAM was an hour a way each time I went, so no overnight stays, and I could see everything in a day. SHOT took me 2.5 to see all I wanted to. And I was beyond ready to come home on day 2.5. I would go again, but only somewhere else, like Orlando or somewhere in Texas. Were I still heavily involved in buying stuff on the agency level, I'd plan to go every other year, maybe every 5.
HeavyDuty: concur to the infinite power on holsterops. I've lamented it here and elsewhere. They ALWAYS answered the phone. I ALWAYS spoke to someone who was not only familiar with the product line, but was a shooter as well and knew what I was asking. And I ALWAYS got my order placed and DELIVERED in about a week, tops. And it was right.The Safariland website is abominable, if you get someone on the phone it's a typical call center person, your order will take MONTHS to fill, and its a roll of the dice if it is correct. Hell, I've got friends still doing the procurement thing who have trouble ordering HUNDREDS of holsters. The joint needs an enema.

[HCM]

Can somebody stop by Safariland and kneecap them for killing off HolsterOps? And then return every subsequent day to do it again?

They are the single most opaque company to deal with I’ve ever seen in any field, and HolsterOps people were great at cutting through the bullshit to sell you what you were looking for but couldn’t identify.

Amen.

[JHC]

You and me both. There is one shop "local" to me that stocks plenty of CZ goodness. Hopefully they will get one in. I have my eyes on a 92X compact if these do not materialize by June or so though.

I have not found much if anything new about it. Nothing from Range Day? Makes me wonder if anything besides booth samples made it.

[Shorikid]

I have not found much if anything new about it. Nothing from Range Day? Makes me wonder if anything besides booth samples made it.Hadn't seen anything either. I would rather they wait until the end of the year and get it right and not rush things. Gives me more time to save up.

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[Clusterfrack]

After all the hype, I was ready to get the new MDT XRS chassis/stock (https://mdttac.com/us_en/xrs-chassis-system.html) instead of a KRG Bravo for my new 300 PRC build, but it turns out to be 16 oz heavier (4lbs) and only comes in short action. Disappointing.

[Alpha Sierra]

I’d like to see CZ come out with optic ready P-07/09’s.........….that’s the next logical step with theP-07/09 series..

Which means it won't happen....

[Alpha Sierra]

Heads would explode. All those people who said it wasn't necessary or that their finger was their safety would have to change their tune because #GlockPerfection (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=GlockPerfection)

Chris

Luckily it's easy enough to remove it, toss it in the trash, and replace it with a slide plate with mudflap chick on it.

[HeavyDuty]

After all the hype, I was ready to get the new MDT XRS chassis/stock (https://mdttac.com/us_en/xrs-chassis-system.html) instead of a KRG Bravo for my new 300 PRC build, but it turns out to be 16 oz heavier (4lbs) and only comes in short action. Disappointing.

Damn, I’m liking that KRG Bravo... I have a 700 VSSF in .223 that would look good in that.

[Lester Polfus]

Maybe I should start making them with the mud flap chick...

Bro.

Do you even Punisher logo?

[theJanitor]

I’d like to know more about the NH trigger pack:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200121/6e0bbc27a5ee4472e6627be3c3f420a8.jpg


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[OlongJohnson]

Maybe I should start making them with the mud flap chick...

Mud flap chicks flapping on a flappy Gadget. I could see it.

[ralph]

Which means it won't happen....

Unfortunately, I couldn’t agree with you more...

[Guinnessman]

Maybe I should start making them with the mud flap chick...

I would be in for a couple!

[CS Tactical]

Come see our guys here!

https://scontent.fsac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83606731_3481062091936279_6398973295005270016_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=_VOfdlqoaKYAX9d-fue&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-2.fna&oh=c0fe00ac2427b617f20aa8956f1c2a4a&oe=5E9E573B

[Alpha Sierra]

Maybe I should start making them with the mud flap chick...

https://milspin.com/collections/slide-back-plates/products/trucker-girl-glock-slide-back-plate

[HCountyGuy]

PSA is releasing a handgun which will be in the $300 range.

47549

Looks like a Glock/P320 hybrid with an M&P trigger.

[Hieronymous]

Has anyone seen the optics ready VP9 yet? I’m not familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of the plate mounting options out there, but would be interested to hear your perspectives on this iteration from HK.

[okie john]

Redhawk with Super Redhawk grips.


Okie John

[Alpha Sierra]

PSA is releasing a handgun which will be in the $300 range.

47549

Looks like a Glock/P320 hybrid with an M&P trigger.

Turkey

[Lester Polfus]

Redhawk with Super Redhawk grips.


Okie John

Right? We've got a Super GP100 in .357 and 9mm, but not .44 Mag?

It seems silly to be running production lines for both the Super GP100, and the old school Redhawk.

[RevolverRob]

The Unity Tactical Atom 2.0 looks interesting.

That Nighthawk Trigger pack looks muy interesante.

[RevolverRob]

I’d like to know more about the NH trigger pack:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200121/6e0bbc27a5ee4472e6627be3c3f420a8.jpg


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Did you see the webpage and videos from Nighthawk?

https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/drop-in-trigger-system

[t1tan]

I don’t expect much out of SHOT but so far the following have my extreme interest.

Kahles K18i 1-8, I’d like to pair this with a Fix in 8.6 whenever that happens.
Safariland 7TS RDS holsters, fucking FINALLY, still waiting on the VUBL.
Cloud Defensive REIN and REIN micro, just waiting on handhelds and pistol lights next.
Unity Tactical ATOM 2.0, open source free license, I’ll have it done to everything I own.

[theJanitor]

Did you see the webpage and videos from Nighthawk?


No I haven't. I'm sure NH (or any other vendor) assumes that I will see an interesting teaser on IG and investigate further. Nope, I just wait until someone digs up the dirt for me. I'm interested, but not enough to research myself :cool:

The trigger pack looks great though. Anything that makes the 1911 more user serviceable is a win, in my book. This pack, and another pre-fit barrel and extractor, and your 1911 could be kept running for a loooong time.

[Up1911Fan]

I don’t expect much out of SHOT but so far the following have my extreme interest.

Kahles K18i 1-8, I’d like to pair this with a Fix in 8.6 whenever that happens.
Safariland 7TS RDS holsters, fucking FINALLY, still waiting on the VUBL.
Cloud Defensive REIN and REIN micro, just waiting on handhelds and pistol lights next.
Unity Tactical ATOM 2.0, open source free license, I’ll have it done to everything I own.
Where did you see the holster?

[t1tan]

Where did you see the holster?

See this Instagram post by @rdrgear https://www.instagram.com/p/B7mbmh-JtGk/?utm_source=ig_web_button_native_share


edit: they’ve got them up on their site now http://www.safariland.com/products/new-product-introductions/

[HeavyDuty]

I don’t expect much out of SHOT but so far the following have my extreme interest.

Kahles K18i 1-8, I’d like to pair this with a Fix in 8.6 whenever that happens.
Safariland 7TS RDS holsters, fucking FINALLY, still waiting on the VUBL.
Cloud Defensive REIN and REIN micro, just waiting on handhelds and pistol lights next.
Unity Tactical ATOM 2.0, open source free license, I’ll have it done to everything I own.

F’in YAY!

http://www.safariland.com/products/holsters-and-gear/holsters/model-7376rds-–-7ts-als-hi-ride-belt-loop-holster-model_7376RDS.html

[RevolverRob]

No I haven't. I'm sure NH (or any other vendor) assumes that I will see an interesting teaser on IG and investigate further. Nope, I just wait until someone digs up the dirt for me. I'm interested, but not enough to research myself :cool:

The trigger pack looks great though. Anything that makes the 1911 more user serviceable is a win, in my book. This pack, and another pre-fit barrel and extractor, and your 1911 could be kept running for a loooong time.

It worked for you.

You posted it and I went and dug deeper.

Thank you Dr. Pavlov, my I have another? :eek: :rolleyes:

[Whirlwind06]

PSA is releasing a handgun which will be in the $300 range.

47549

Looks like a Glock/P320 hybrid with an M&P trigger.If it uses glock sights and mags they may sell a few.

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[SeriousStudent]

F’in YAY!

http://www.safariland.com/products/holsters-and-gear/holsters/model-7376rds-–-7ts-als-hi-ride-belt-loop-holster-model_7376RDS.html

I wants one of dem.

[Whirlwind06]

TurkeyMy first thought was that it's a Ruger American.

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[SamueL]

I was surprised by this...

47557

Interest level piqued!

[Lester Polfus]

Thank you Dr. Pavlov, my I have another? :eek: :rolleyes:

DING!

[MD7305]

The Untiy Tactical ATOM 2.0 system is probably the most exciting thing I've seen in Shot Show coverage so far. So simple, clean, and effective looking. Works multiple pistol platforms. Geniuses!

[medic15al]

Has anyone seen the optics ready VP9 yet? I’m not familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of the plate mounting options out there, but would be interested to hear your perspectives on this iteration from HK.

Here is a video review of it if this helps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEPjb1njcA

[spyderco monkey]

Took some pics of the Speer 5.7 Gold Dot:

https://i.ibb.co/dGXhNPz/Speer-5-7-Gold-Dot.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/n83dTRb/gold-dot-5-7-expansion.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8r45fx9/Speer-Gold-Dot-brochure.jpg

[spyderco monkey]

https://i.ibb.co/qdkW257/10mm-Fusion-200gr.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/nRZ1r6x/10mm-Fusion-Brochure.jpg

[backtrail540]

I was surprised by this...

47557

Interest level piqued!

Some more cool stuff in that post if you arrow left and right. 5" 509, redoing revolver hammers, cz p10 slide stop, etc...

p/B7mnFPtA42I

[backtrail540]

I'm sure there will be a video eventually, but if anyone at shot can get more info on the atom 2, how the plates lock in/ interface with the slide e.t.c... for us that are less mechanically inclined that'd be awesome. From pictures I'm assuming that the front of the plate locks under a lip or some such and the rear set screw holds it down but I would like more info for sure.

[19852+]

Regarding the 5.7 ammo:
Is anyone going to make cheap 'shoot 'em up" ammo? Winchester white box version or Blazer, something like that? I'm a .38 super fan but I can reload that, can't reload 5.7 or so I've heard.
My life has changed for the better but it means less reloading time so I'm looking at buying factory ammo for my pistol/s, mostly 9mm. I already buy 5.56 for the rifle.

[David S.]

I'm sure there will be a video eventually, but if anyone at shot can get more info on the atom 2, how the plates lock in/ interface with the slide e.t.c... for us that are less mechanically inclined that'd be awesome. From pictures I'm assuming that the front of the plate locks under a lip or some such and the rear set screw holds it down but I would like more info for sure.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7lvdmLpfdP/?igshid=v9y3p8edfx51

[Tod-13]

I'm sure there will be a video eventually, but if anyone at shot can get more info on the atom 2, how the plates lock in/ interface with the slide e.t.c... for us that are less mechanically inclined that'd be awesome. From pictures I'm assuming that the front of the plate locks under a lip or some such and the rear set screw holds it down but I would like more info for sure.

That's what it looks like on instagram.
My issue with it is that it appears to remove all BUIS except maybe some fixed thingy on the back of the plate.
Pistol red dots still go down. (Hi GJM.)
I want adjustable and decent BUIS, because when the dot breaks, those become primary sights.

[backtrail540]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7lvdmLpfdP/?igshid=v9y3p8edfx51

Thanks! Here it is for those who can't/ won't go to ig... looks awesome!


p/B7lvdmLpfdP

[YVK]

The Untiy Tactical ATOM 2.0 system is probably the most exciting thing I've seen in Shot Show coverage so far. So simple, clean, and effective looking. Works multiple pistol platforms. Geniuses!

I wonder if an open source free license is the most ingenious part of it. We've been talking about footprint standartization for years, and it only now occurred to me that having a free and open access to a design might be a very powerful propagation tool.


P.S. Somebody, please find out if plates are aluminum or steel.

[Tokarev]

The Untiy Tactical ATOM 2.0 system is probably the most exciting thing I've seen in Shot Show coverage so far. So simple, clean, and effective looking. Works multiple pistol platforms. Geniuses!Glad to see an option like this for the P320. SIG should license it.

Why is the world's most modular pistol limited to only one optic footprint? It should have a CORE, MOS or Unity 2.0 solution as factory.

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[call_me_ski]

Glad to see an option like this for the P320. SIG should license it.

Why is the world's most modular pistol limited to only one optic footprint? It should have a CORE, MOS or Unity 2.0 solution as factory.

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ATOM 2.0 is open source. No license needed.

Also Sig has atleast 6 different optics cuts it has offered as Factory on the p320. M17 mil, M17 commercial, RX, RXPro, Professional, X-series. None of them are really modular. I think Sig is trying to sell people the gun and optic. I agree that they need to streamline what they have going on.

[Super77]

That's what it looks like on instagram.
My issue with it is that it appears to remove all BUIS except maybe some fixed thingy on the back of the plate.
Pistol red dots still go down. (Hi GJM.)
I want adjustable and decent BUIS, because when the dot breaks, those become primary sights.

That's likely just the case for the ACRO plate. If you look at their website they had to do some engineering to fit a BUIS behind the ACRO. The AOS gen 1 ACRO plate looks the same. Their other plates accommodate front and rear plate-mounted BUIS for most popular dot sights.

http://www.agencyarms.com/aos-plates
(http://www.agencyarms.com/aos-plates)

I just hope this new one is as low or lower than the gen 1!

[Tod-13]

That's likely just the case for the ACRO plate. If you look at their website they had to do some engineering to fit a BUIS behind the ACRO. The AOS gen 1 ACRO plate looks the same. Their other plates accommodate front and rear plate-mounted BUIS for most popular dot sights.

http://www.agencyarms.com/aos-plates
(http://www.agencyarms.com/aos-plates)

I just hope this new one is as low or lower than the gen 1!

Thanks. I guess we'll have to wait and see. This is the product I'm most interested in at the Show (other than the VP9 OR), and the release of information on it is pitiful.

[t1tan]

Thanks. I guess we'll have to wait and see. This is the product I'm most interested in at the Show (other than the VP9 OR), and the release of information on it is pitiful.

At this point I'll skip optics ready models across the board and have everything milled for ATOM 2

[JHC]

Finally some coverage of the DWX. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/22/shot-2020-dan-wessons-new-dwx-compact-hybrid-2011/

Author says "don't quote me" so I quote him. ;)

"A fairly cool feature of the DWX full size and compact is the fact it takes 1911 trigger components. This makes the trigger incredibly smooth and testing it out, you could definitely tell it was a 1911 trigger. The trigger had very little take-up and broke on a defined wall. I would guess the trigger pull was somewhere around the 4-pound mark but don’t quote me on that."

[CS Tactical]

https://scontent.fsac1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82504264_3482680255107796_507145430459482112_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=K2UK1AOkxScAX9vXX1n&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-1.fna&oh=7388642da60540501077197b8c3f0387&oe=5E9FACE0
https://scontent.fsac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83012525_3482680178441137_6101912590647033856_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=tGofgoHFSXMAX8d87en&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-2.fna&oh=3852075367e9d5e5bbcb500f561d0052&oe=5E9F636D

[Evil_Ed]

https://i.ibb.co/qdkW257/10mm-Fusion-200gr.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/nRZ1r6x/10mm-Fusion-Brochure.jpg

Whoa, 200gr at 1200fps? As in, the original recipe? Nice, I might have to buy some of that...

[CS Tactical]

https://scontent.fsac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/83391523_3485116778197477_2003815067803451392_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=pT4ECD4SI1oAX9zYzzQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-2.fna&_nc_tp=1002&oh=6edd4ef6c65a07c5aafdad9b1d742950&oe=5ED2C0AA

[Grey]

https://scontent.fsac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/83391523_3485116778197477_2003815067803451392_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=pT4ECD4SI1oAX9zYzzQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-2.fna&_nc_tp=1002&oh=6edd4ef6c65a07c5aafdad9b1d742950&oe=5ED2C0AAToo poor to play with zco...

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[CS Tactical]

Too poor to play with zco...

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I don't own one yet myself either :o

[YVK]

At this point I'll skip optics ready models across the board and have everything milled for ATOM 2

This is a current state of affairs at the Atom (1) webpage, showing half of the offerings, and all duty-grade optics plates, out of stock.
http://www.unitytactical.com/product-category/atom/
I had to get a spare set of their proprietary RMR plate screws, took a month or so. They make good stuff, although I would've preferred steel over aluminum, but I am uncertain they can support a significant demand. Besides the independent user reviews, I'd like to know who would make what parts under this open access license.

[t1tan]

I've mostly dealt with their Fusion line, owning and using most of it over several years, but have had good luck with everything of theirs and their customer service as needed. Reaction and replacement was quick when I received out of spec parts. Their ATOM line has definitely struggled as far as supply and only two shops offering the work on stock slides, so you're not wrong. Hopefully that will change, I've held off on RDS for a long time since I want to avoid direct mill and being stuck with a platform in an evolving market, and the fact the RDS themselves haven't seemed 100% yet, but I think if ATOM 2 is easy access paired with the ACRO and these new Holosun options, it may finally be time to move forward.

Speaking of Holosun, I have never considered them for anything before, but this 509T, 507K and this other unnamed low-profile option Steve Fisher posted on Facebook really has me re-thinking the brand.

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83819638_2648325391902357_245872060058828800_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=2v45zqicvDgAX-itREK&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=5abc5bad28566e2ea7068788717360b0&oe=5E973885

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82953437_2648325415235688_7944267859130056704_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=LRWLpqYviXIAX8-Bkt5&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=7a3bd7c44ab47d6d6981d1723694a107&oe=5E943ADDhttps://scontent.fmia1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83522286_2648325455235684_1193222793357950976_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=HFErNUoyP74AX98DtVF&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-1.fna&oh=4373a2921407a1c205c3f267b93a4045&oe=5E8E9D64

[AMC]

ATOM 2.0 is open source. No license needed.

Also Sig has atleast 6 different optics cuts it has offered as Factory on the p320. M17 mil, M17 commercial, RX, RXPro, Professional, X-series. None of them are really modular. I think Sig is trying to sell people the gun and optic. I agree that they need to streamline what they have going on.

SIG told us a couple of months ago, and confirmed to me at the show yesterday, that going forward they're going to a 4 hole pattern optic cut that will accommodate RMR footprint optics and others. There's apparently a small gap in front of the optic when a RMR is mounted, but it doesn't effect function according to them. They are also going to phase out the earlier RX optic cut in favor of the PRO, which keeps a dovetailed rear sight. We'll see. I will say the Romeo 2 sight they debuted looks very promising. Very robust housing, and the option of a fully enclosed emitter with the full shroud.

I also agree Holosuns new optics are very intriguing. I guess we'll see about all of them.

Someone mentioned earlier the Safariland VUBL. Got one In my hands. Very nifty piece of gear. I like it a lot. I'll be running this on my training belt with a QLS.

[call_me_ski]

I just texted a buddy.

“Holosun seems to have the best pistol red dot and mini red dot at any price. Wtf. how did we get here?”

I want to try these two out.

[call_me_ski]

SIG told us a couple of months ago, and confirmed to me at the show yesterday, that going forward they're going to a 4 hole pattern optic cut that will accommodate RMR footprint optics and others. There's apparently a small gap in front of the optic when a RMR is mounted, but it doesn't effect function according to them. They are also going to phase out the earlier RX optic cut in favor of the PRO, which keeps a dovetailed rear sight. We'll see. I will say the Romeo 2 sight they debuted looks very promising. Very robust housing, and the option of a fully enclosed emitter with the full shroud.

I also agree Holosuns new optics are very intriguing. I guess we'll see about all of them.

Someone mentioned earlier the Safariland VUBL. Got one In my hands. Very nifty piece of gear. I like it a lot. I'll be running this on my training belt with a QLS.

Any more info on the Romeo2? I have been trying to keep track of it since it was shown publicly but there has been no mention of it for a while by Sig and I have not been impressed by the Shot coverage. If they how have one with an enclosed emitter my interest is renewed.

[AMC]

Any more info on the Romeo2? I have been trying to keep track of it since it was shown publicly but there has been no mention of it for a while by Sig and I have not been impressed by the Shot coverage. If they how have one with an enclosed emitter my interest is renewed.

The Romeo 2 has a thicker, more robust housing, which they claim survives a 5' drop onto the optic with a loaded weapon. It comes with 2 shrouds, which attach a bit differently than the Romeo 1 version. The "bigger" one fully enclosed the emitter. They told me they're formally introducing it at NRA. They also showed me a factory aggressive stippled grip module, which I also found interesting. I'd post pics but the mobile version of this site on my phone no longer seems to have the option.

[rob_s]

I like the look of these headlamps from 5.11, particularly the ability to remove it from the mount and the dual lighting options.


https://youtu.be/O2PVb1ssZnQ

[backtrail540]

I haven't seem any shooting videos but here's a few close ups.

p/B7p_veCprvI

[HeavyDuty]

I've mostly dealt with their Fusion line, owning and using most of it over several years, but have had good luck with everything of theirs and their customer service as needed. Reaction and replacement was quick when I received out of spec parts. Their ATOM line has definitely struggled as far as supply and only two shops offering the work on stock slides, so you're not wrong. Hopefully that will change, I've held off on RDS for a long time since I want to avoid direct mill and being stuck with a platform in an evolving market, and the fact the RDS themselves haven't seemed 100% yet, but I think if ATOM 2 is easy access paired with the ACRO and these new Holosun options, it may finally be time to move forward.

Speaking of Holosun, I have never considered them for anything before, but this 509T, 507K and this other unnamed low-profile option Steve Fisher posted on Facebook really has me re-thinking the brand.

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83819638_2648325391902357_245872060058828800_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=2v45zqicvDgAX-itREK&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=5abc5bad28566e2ea7068788717360b0&oe=5E973885

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82953437_2648325415235688_7944267859130056704_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=LRWLpqYviXIAX8-Bkt5&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=7a3bd7c44ab47d6d6981d1723694a107&oe=5E943ADDhttps://scontent.fmia1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83522286_2648325455235684_1193222793357950976_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=HFErNUoyP74AX98DtVF&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-1.fna&oh=4373a2921407a1c205c3f267b93a4045&oe=5E8E9D64

Holy crap! Need to learn more about this - the Holosun website is down at the moment. Is that MOS?

[Tod-13]

This is a current state of affairs at the Atom (1) webpage, showing half of the offerings, and all duty-grade optics plates, out of stock.
http://www.unitytactical.com/product-category/atom/
I had to get a spare set of their proprietary RMR plate screws, took a month or so. They make good stuff, although I would've preferred steel over aluminum, but I am uncertain they can support a significant demand. Besides the independent user reviews, I'd like to know who would make what parts under this open access license.

I thought about replying about supply yesterday. Given the significant lack of any current information, and a historical "out of stock" situation, I'm definitely in a wait and see on the ATOM 2. But, I have a very strong interest, especially if the system works on stuff that is usually problematic, like a CZ-75.

I don't mind the aluminum, and the nice thing about the "open source" aspect is you can take the aluminum someplace and say "make this in stainless" or titanium alloy or whatever your favorite substance is (like 3d printing output?).

[rob_s]

I like the look of these headlamps from 5.11, particularly the ability to remove it from the mount and the dual lighting options.


https://youtu.be/O2PVb1ssZnQ

and only $50, that doesn't seem too bad at all for what it is.
https://www.511tactical.com/rapid-hl-1aa.html

[t1tan]

Found more info

https://i.imgur.com/oqmfvrW.jpg

[theJanitor]

and only $50, that doesn't seem too bad at all for what it is.

I've been casually looking for a new headlamp. this might fit the bill

[TicTacticalTimmy]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-glock-43-80-frame-will-let-you-use-sig-p365-10-15-round-magazines-in-your-g43-video/

This has my interest. If it works and fits my existing G43 holster, it would be cheap upgrade.

[Joe in PNG]

The Brownells AR180 lower looks pretty interesting, and an AR180 pistol may be just the thing to keep me from an inevitably disappointing new Sig 210.

[BillSWPA]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-glock-43-80-frame-will-let-you-use-sig-p365-10-15-round-magazines-in-your-g43-video/

This has my interest. If it works and fits my existing G43 holster, it would be cheap upgrade.

Is there a good, reasonably priced source of Glock 43 barrels and slides?

[Gater]

Found more info

https://i.imgur.com/oqmfvrW.jpg

Link to vid. The no-battery version (last in the video) is a proof of concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHA

[Nephrology]

Found more info

https://i.imgur.com/oqmfvrW.jpg

If this works reliably it would be enough to bring me into RDS fold .

[Whirlwind06]

Is there a good, reasonably priced source of Glock 43 barrels and slides?Pretty sure brownells has 43 slides and barrels. Don't know how good they are

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[AMC]

Pretty sure brownells has 43 slides and barrels. Don't know how good they are

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On the advice of the former Rangemaster of our sheriffs department....who had drinks last night with the guys from LASD, I checked out the Blackhawk booth today. Saw their new T Series duty holsters....for guns with WMLs and RDS. Also accommodates a DG switch for the light. I can't believe I'm typing these words, but I was impressed. Solid product, very intuitive, and faster than an ALS type holster. The days of the Serpa are gone. They should have them available in about 30 days apparently. Anyone looking for a holster to meet the above criteria should give them a look.

ETA: sorry...didn't mean to reply to Whitlwinds post. My bad.

[t1tan]

Noticed one of the new muzzle device for Qs stainless cans coming soon in a post on instagram, this one one being mounted on a Fix in 8.6

https://i.imgur.com/IHmdn7F.jpg

[SoCalDep]

On the advice of the former Rangemaster of our sheriffs department....who had drinks last night with the guys from LASD, I checked out the Blackhawk booth today. Saw their new T Series duty holsters....for guns with WMLs and RDS. Also accommodates a DG switch for the light. I can't believe I'm typing these words, but I was impressed. Solid product, very intuitive, and faster than an ALS type holster. The days of the Serpa are gone. They should have them available in about 30 days apparently. Anyone looking for a holster to meet the above criteria should give them a look.

ETA: sorry...didn't mean to reply to Whitlwinds post. My bad.

^ First.. sorry we couldn’t meet up. I had to be back home today and the compressed schedule was more intense than I had anticipated. We’re gonna have to make time to do some shooting soon. I have to say I was very impressed with the Blackhawk holster... I still have some questions that a good T&E will answer, but there’s a lot to like there.

I’m happy with the numerous entries into the PMO holster market... and PMOs themselves. Progress is being made, and it will not come without the bumps and hiccups, but that’s how we move forward.

More moving forward...

I can’t speak nationally, but at least West coast, I’ve never felt a more cooperative atmosphere... LAPD, LASD, SFPD, LVMPD, OCSD, and lots of other agencies, Federal, State, and local... are working together to make things better. I feel super fortunate to be a part of it. It will benefit everyone - the cop on the street, the departments for liability, and the public that needs the best cops we can get. We need to keep this up. Equipment is cool, but training is the thing, and SHOT is a great place for trainers and students to meet, network, plan, and reunite. It is also a catalyst for agency reps to communicate and make connections. Now I regret I didn’t have more time. Maybe something to think about for next year... hmmm.

[Joe in PNG]

So far, here's what I find interesting:
-Sig 210 Carry, even though I suspect it will be like too many of my dates- expensive & unreliable

-WWSD rifle

-AR180 sidefolder pistol

[396]

If this works reliably it would be enough to bring me into RDS fold .

This interests me, but with no battery wouldn't it useless in a low/no light SD/HD situation?

[UNM1136]

Depends on how they do it. I am getting ready to pull the pin on a fiber optic/tritium RMR for my bowhuting companion, a Glock 20....No batteries, and the only complaint I have heard is reticle washout when shooting from darkness into a well lit backdrop.

pat

[mtnbkr]

Depends on how they do it. I am getting ready to pull the pin on a fiber optic/tritium RMR for my bowhuting companion, a Glock 20....No batteries, and the only complaint I have heard is reticle washout when shooting from darkness into a well lit backdrop.

pat

A buddy of mine has one on his 629. I haven't noticed any issues indoors or outdoors or in the woods, but haven't tested the specific scenario you described.

Chris

[JHC]

Anybody pick up more dish about organizations adopting or evaluating Staccatto's?

[RAM Engineer]

-AR180 sidefolder pistol

Did you see that side folding B5 AR-18 style stock?

[Tod-13]

This interests me, but with no battery wouldn't it useless in a low/no light SD/HD situation?

Solar panel charges internal battery or capacitor from what I've read.

[Tod-13]

A buddy of mine has one on his 629. I haven't noticed any issues indoors or outdoors or in the woods, but haven't tested the specific scenario you described.

Chris

We have a couple non-powered RMRs in green. In Texas in bright sunshine, shooting in the shade or with the range lights dim in at the shooting bench and bright downrange, it washes out really easily. It is one of those situations where, if you're in a normally lit room/building or outside without shade, you won't notice it. But where and when we shoot, it happens all the time.

[19852+]

The Brownells AR180 lower looks pretty interesting, and an AR180 pistol may be just the thing to keep me from an inevitably disappointing new Sig 210.

I am also interested in the BRN 180 lower, maybe someday I'll build one. Not sure what you are expecting regarding the SIG P-210 A but mine has not disappointed me. In fact, it has become my first choice 2 gun pistol. Easy to shoot well plus accuracy offsets the limited capacity. That and the pistol portion of the matches, so far, have not really required a whole lot of pistol work.

[19852+]

What I would love to see/hear ?? Colt getting back into the civilian AR market.

[Danjojo]

..... this other unnamed low-profile option Steve Fisher posted on Facebook really has me re-thinking the brand.

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83819638_2648325391902357_245872060058828800_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=2v45zqicvDgAX-itREK&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=5abc5bad28566e2ea7068788717360b0&oe=5E973885

https://scontent.fmia1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82953437_2648325415235688_7944267859130056704_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=LRWLpqYviXIAX8-Bkt5&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-2.fna&oh=7a3bd7c44ab47d6d6981d1723694a107&oe=5E943ADDhttps://scontent.fmia1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83522286_2648325455235684_1193222793357950976_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=HFErNUoyP74AX98DtVF&_nc_ht=scontent.fmia1-1.fna&oh=4373a2921407a1c205c3f267b93a4045&oe=5E8E9D64

Now folks will want the lowest sights possible instead of tall suppressor sights. :cool: Hopefully production model has a little bit taller window and a really dialed in auto brightness algorithm.

Either way this thing will likely be going on my 35 MOS.

[rob_s]

Anyone else notice that Yeti hands make the G17 look like a G42?

[rob_s]

Geissele making their own scope?


https://youtu.be/MR8dBoYbJSM

[GJM]

FIFY


Geissele selling their own brand scope, no doubt made by a factory making similar scopes for other companies?

]

[rob_s]

Fair enough, but that's probably true of so many things.

[RevolverRob]

I haven't seem any shooting videos but here's a few close ups.

p/B7p_veCprvI

So, I had to go look because in one of those pics is a label for the DW "Heirloom"

Here it is - https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/heirloom-2020/

And that's cool and all, but I can't help but think that Jason Burton might want to drop a note (or have his lawyer do it) to Dan Wesson to cease and desist the use "Heirloom" as the name for some of their 1911s. Since Heirloom Precision builds custom 1911s and this is on a frickin' 1911; my first thought and why I went to go see, was that Heirloom Precision had partnered with Dan Wesson to offer some features on a production line. They have not collaborated. Heirloom Precision clearly predates Dan Wesson in the use of the term Heirloom in application to branding of a 1911-pattern pistol.

While, in general, I doubt the same people buy them...actually no...I bet the same kinds of people do buy these. Not many folks buy $2400 1911s in the first place and since that starts getting into low-end custom 1911 territory price wise, I imagine a number of them are at least aware of Heirloom Precision. I'd hate to see Jason's brand damaged by a low(er) cost gun touting custom features that isn't built to his exacting specs.

[CS Tactical]

https://scontent.fsac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83442558_3490813184294503_150668702579163136_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=Ryu8a6P7tpUAX8vv1F8&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-2.fna&oh=3fc4e9bdb645b0da822317ad5df94b5b&oe=5ECE071A

[AMC]

Anybody pick up more dish about organizations adopting or evaluating Staccatto's?

Well.....if you talked to our SWAT guys at the show they would have said they're next! They're pushing hard on me about this. I had a talk with Pannone about his no BS opinion on running them as a service gun, and he seems to be convinced about their durability/reliability. My plan was to get them whatever our next service pistol is, and then upgrade as necessary, but be able to give them two guns....one to train with and one for duty. More of a problem for 30-35 guys with a $2000 gun. Easier with a polymer striker gun. But CDI and OAF and all that. Dont get me wrong.....the Staccato is a sweet shooting gun. I'm just not convinced they "need" it.

[HopetonBrown]

Well.....if you talked to our SWAT guys

I think it's weird how SWAT gets all the toys and training, but patrol gets 100 rounds a year and no additional training.

When was the last time a SWAT guy KIA?

Instead of SWAT getting $2k peacock feathers, spend that money running every patrol officer through ECQC.

[Joe in PNG]

Did you see that side folding B5 AR-18 style stock?

Just a glimpse on their page.

[Joe in PNG]

I am also interested in the BRN 180 lower, maybe someday I'll build one. Not sure what you are expecting regarding the SIG P-210 A but mine has not disappointed me. In fact, it has become my first choice 2 gun pistol. Easy to shoot well plus accuracy offsets the limited capacity. That and the pistol portion of the matches, so far, have not really required a whole lot of pistol work.

Not! Helping! (lol)

[RAM Engineer]

Just a glimpse on their page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEciLKtSIHA

Watch from 1:14 to 1:50 in this video.

[Joe in PNG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEciLKtSIHA

Watch from 1:14 to 1:50 in this video.

Sadly, I can't youtoob here.

[Hambo]

I think it's weird how SWAT gets all the toys and training, but patrol gets 100 rounds a year and no additional training.

When was the last time a SWAT guy KIA?

Instead of SWAT getting $2k peacock feathers, spend that money running every patrol officer through ECQC.

Don't be a hater. It's not all range and gym time. ;) Even FT teams get out on the road and hit hot spots.

That said, $4k per officer is crazy when a pair of G34s will get it done.

[blues]

47669

[AMC]

Don't be a hater. It's not all range and gym time. ;) Even FT teams get out on the road and hit hot spots.

That said, $4k per officer is crazy when a pair of G34s will get it done.

No, theres also the manscaping (waxing and shaving) and the hair care routine. That eats up a lot of a shift. Then theres the decision about where to eat.....a shift just flys by!

[TC215]

I think it's weird how SWAT gets all the toys and training, but patrol gets 100 rounds a year and no additional training.

When was the last time a SWAT guy KIA?

Instead of SWAT getting $2k peacock feathers, spend that money running every patrol officer through ECQC.

Maybe it’s been a while since the last SWAT LODD because of the toys and training.

[spyderco monkey]

Saw this at SHOT today - 150rd drum .22lr rifle, based on the American 180.

MSRP is expected to be $499.

https://i.ibb.co/F4LGZvt/Viper-American-180.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/4M3BjhW/Croatia-180.jpg

[spyderco monkey]

The Streamlight TLR9.

Whats unusual is that it uses 2xCR123's in line like a handheld flashlight...

-->I popped the 16650 from my personal EDC Flashlight, and it works! So this is one of the rare pistol lights that can use a large capacity rechargeable battery, in addition to regular CR123's.

https://i.ibb.co/C5CvCws/Streamlight-TLR-9-16650-Rechargeable.jpg

[bshnt2015]

47702


Shooting the LWRCi SMG 45

[bshnt2015]

47703


Watching Kyle Lamb and Lena from Sig team range event. That 9MM carbine

[bshnt2015]

47704


This reminds me of the Akira Kurosawa movies.

[bshnt2015]

47705


Shooting the HK V9 9MM with RMR slide cut.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-the-largest-gun-show-in-the-u-s-the-focus-is-women-first-time-buyers-11579793661


When he started “mostly middle-class, beer-belly, white guys came to the class,” he said. “Now we have all types, including wives, daughters and college students.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-the-largest-gun-show-in-the-u-s-the-focus-is-women-first-time-buyers-11579793661


When he started “mostly middle-class, beer-belly, white guys came to the class,” he said. “Now we have all types, including wives, daughters and college students.

I resent this as my food storage is based on fine cheese and wine. Some beer but not major variance.

[bshnt2015]

47706


The color scheme got my attention. I wasn't too sure if that Magpul stock was appropriate.

[bshnt2015]

47710


From the Surefire booth.

[bshnt2015]

47712

The Colt Python 4/6 inch stainless.

[bshnt2015]

CZ and Alien booth. The Alien pistol based on the CZ platform.



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[bshnt2015]

47722


Just in case.......

[bshnt2015]

47725


I ordered 6 of these.:rolleyes:

[bshnt2015]

47727


From the STI booth. The cool pistol everyone is swarmming over.

[bshnt2015]

47728


It seemed like everyone was pushing a 5.7 platform in either a pistol or carbine.

[bshnt2015]

47729


Beretta Booth. The Langdon 92 series. I handled the 92X as well, an older platform modernized with customized work. Very cool pistol.

[HCM]

I think it's weird how SWAT gets all the toys and training, but patrol gets 100 rounds a year and no additional training.

When was the last time a SWAT guy KIA?

Instead of SWAT getting $2k peacock feathers, spend that money running every patrol officer through ECQC.


No, theres also the manscaping (waxing and shaving) and the hair care routine. That eats up a lot of a shift. Then theres the decision about where to eat.....a shift just flys by!


Maybe it’s been a while since the last SWAT LODD because of the toys and training.

Mostly training and mindset.

HopetonBrown clearly doesn’t “get” cops.

To quote the late LT Francis McGee of the NYPD Range, “The average cop would rather have a nice Parker pen than a custom pistol.”

Fact - there’s a percentage of patrol /line agents who are all about advanced training. Most in the middle will do it if you pay them but with bitch about it and do everything half speed and the bottom percentage will file HR complaints about being injured in “excessive” training because they got a scrape or bruise.

[Alpha Sierra]

Link to vid. The no-battery version (last in the video) is a proof of concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHA

It has a battery, it's just not user-replaceable. It's recharged by the solar cell to power the diode when there's not enough ambient light.

[spyderco monkey]

It has a battery, it's just not user-replaceable. It's recharged by the solar cell to power the diode when there's not enough ambient light.

When I talked to them, they said it was actually a long life solar powered capacitor.

A similar system is employed by the Citizen Eco Drive watch.

[spyderco monkey]

Got this pic yesterday at SHOT of the General Dynamics NGSW entrant.

ARX160 is 35.4" OAL w/ 16" barrel.

GD Bullpup is several inches shorter (31-32") w/ 20" barrel + suppressor. Thats really impressive.

https://i.ibb.co/CmR5VDJ/NGSW-GD-Bullpup-vs-ARX-160.jpg

[Alpha Sierra]

When I talked to them, they said it was actually a long life solar powered capacitor.

A similar system is employed by the Citizen Eco Drive watch.

Cool. Didn't know capacitors could be made to release their energy slowly.

[Inkwell 41]

Got this pic yesterday at SHOT of the General Dynamics NGSW entrant.

ARX160 is 35.4" OAL w/ 16" barrel.

GD Bullpup is several inches shorter (31-32") w/ 20" barrel + suppressor. Thats really impressive.

https://i.ibb.co/CmR5VDJ/NGSW-GD-Bullpup-vs-ARX-160.jpg

It is.... but

Not certain that I’d want an 80000 psi cartridge going off that closed to my face.

[HCM]

When I talked to them, they said it was actually a long life solar powered capacitor.

A similar system is employed by the Citizen Eco Drive watch.

I don’t know if this particular one is ready for prime time but it is definitely the most interesting thing to come out of this years shot show.

[LOKNLOD]

It is.... but

Not certain that I’d want an 80000 psi cartridge going off that closed to my face.

It looks like tilting the gun to use those offset irons would hurt.

[t1tan]

Looks like an updated version from the first showing, I see an adjustable stock now.

[call_me_ski]

Got this pic yesterday at SHOT of the General Dynamics NGSW entrant.

ARX160 is 35.4" OAL w/ 16" barrel.

GD Bullpup is several inches shorter (31-32") w/ 20" barrel + suppressor. Thats really impressive.

https://i.ibb.co/CmR5VDJ/NGSW-GD-Bullpup-vs-ARX-160.jpg

Did you ask them what all three of those switches were for in the fire control group?

[spyderco monkey]

It looks like tilting the gun to use those offset irons would hurt.

It uses swappable forward ejection, so no concern with brass to the face.

Overall it looks like a pretty cool system.

[spyderco monkey]

Did you ask them what all three of those switches were for in the fire control group?

I didn't get to ask, and actually only noticed the extra switches when re-touching the photos.

From the previous videos / write ups I've seen, I recall prototypes having a split safety / selector system. So one switch is Safe/Fire, and another switch is Semi/Full. Similar to the original STG44.

However, these switches look different then the previous prototypes shown, plus now there's a third switch.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I checked out the Blackhawk booth today. Saw their new T Series duty holsters....for guns with WMLs and RDS. Also accommodates a DG switch for the light. I can't believe I'm typing these words, but I was impressed. Solid product, very intuitive, and faster than an ALS type holster. The days of the Serpa are gone. They should have them available in about 30 days apparently. Anyone looking for a holster to meet the above criteria should give them a look.


Missed the PMO compatible part when i checked them. That is good to know.

And, sorry I missed you all.

[HeavyDuty]

So, did anyone give Safariland shit about Holsterops?

[AMC]

So, did anyone give Safariland shit about Holsterops?

I did. To everyone at Safariland I talked to. Tommy Campbell (very nice man, by the way) told me they are revamping the website this summer, and it should be better. No commitment to a return of Holsterops, though.

[SoCalDep]

So, did anyone give Safariland shit about Holsterops?

I didn’t even talk to them because I refuse to talk to the guy who was wearing the 7TS optic holster. I don’t care for a holster manufacturer rep arguing with me in an ignorant yet condescending way over what they think is best for my department.

I’m not stupid and I now have lots of options to test. Safariland needs to fix more than their web page.

[Navyguns]

Got this pic yesterday at SHOT of the General Dynamics NGSW entrant.

ARX160 is 35.4" OAL w/ 16" barrel.

GD Bullpup is several inches shorter (31-32") w/ 20" barrel + suppressor. Thats really impressive.

https://i.ibb.co/CmR5VDJ/NGSW-GD-Bullpup-vs-ARX-160.jpg


These twice rifles are ugly and as the Chief Firearms Aesthetic Analyst (CFAA), I know what I'm talking about.

[Poconnor]

I’m glad Tommy Campbell is still with safariland. He really helped out our dept when we had some issues with holsters.

[RevolverRob]

So for me the 2020 Shot Show boils down to:

Rock River appears to be making an STI-clone
Drop-In 1911 trigger from Nighthawk
Colt still can’t make a gun work right

Did I miss anything really important? Since the new Dan Wesson and the new STI line was introduced pre-SHOT it doesn’t seem like I missed much.

Well, there is that scaled down .22LR Mosin Nagant and Tippmann is apparently now delivering their 9mm gatling guns. So those are pretty awesome.

[Alpha Sierra]

Got this pic yesterday at SHOT of the General Dynamics NGSW entrant.

ARX160 is 35.4" OAL w/ 16" barrel.

GD Bullpup is several inches shorter (31-32") w/ 20" barrel + suppressor. Thats really impressive.

https://i.ibb.co/CmR5VDJ/NGSW-GD-Bullpup-vs-ARX-160.jpg

Is that an oil filter painted tan at the end of that abortion?

[Evil_Ed]

Is that an oil filter painted tan at the end of that abortion?

I think it's a derivative of an Delta P's Brevis II suppressor line (https://www.deltapdesign.com/products/deltapdesgin/suppressor/brevis-ii-ultra-556-nato-rifle-suppressor)

[spyderco monkey]

So for me the 2020 Shot Show boils down to:

Rock River appears to be making an STI-clone
.

I missed that one, any more info / link?

[spyderco monkey]

I think it's a derivative of an Delta P's Brevis II suppressor line (https://www.deltapdesign.com/products/deltapdesgin/suppressor/brevis-ii-ultra-556-nato-rifle-suppressor)

Yes, its a new version of the Brevis II, designed to be as short as possible. Made with metal 3d printing.

[Tokarev]

Yes, its a new version of the Brevis II, designed to be as short as possible. Made with metal 3d printing.Kind of neat technology. I think SIG has new suppressors built on this too.

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[spyderco monkey]

Kind of neat technology. I think SIG has new suppressors built on this too.

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It's very cool in a number of ways:

-Shortest suppressor design possible

-Direct attach, further reduces length by eliminating flash hider (-1.5")

-Designed for 100% continuous suppressed use

-3D printing allows internal baffle designs / shapes not possible with machining


To really appreciate what compact system the GD bullpup is:

AUG 20" no suppressor = 31.1"

GD 20" 6.8 w/ Brevis = ~31-32"

So even though the GD fires a much larger, more powerful cartridge, with suppressor, it's only ~1" longer then a 20" 5.56 AUG without suppressor.

A 20" AUG w/ SF 5.56 suppressor = 35.1"

[RevolverRob]

I missed that one, any more info / link?

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/23/shot-2020-rra-mrk20-3g-11/

[Tokarev]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/23/shot-2020-rra-mrk20-3g-11/

Kind of reminds me of the ZRO Delta Modulus without the modular stuff.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

FIFY

Re Geissele scope...I don't think that's fair, I mean they are machining the body themselves if not producing the entire scope I think that counts for something even if the lenses are coming from elsewhere.

[Navyguns]

Did anyone get word as to the likelihood of Glock releasing the model 46?

[Tokarev]

Re Geissele scope...I don't think that's fair, I mean they are machining the body themselves if not producing the entire scope I think that counts for something even if the lenses are coming from elsewhere.Is that the case? I thought the scopes were made by LOW in Japan.

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[Tokarev]

The Geissele scope is in stock.

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