Thinking Of Taking A Stroll Back To The Glock World After Years Away (Glock 19X?)

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I am considering a Glock 9mm purchase despite having sworn off Glock's years ago after both my Gen 3 & 4 G17 pistols had been returned with brass to face issues still remaining with a note stating 'Tested, Within Spec' from factory inspection. This left a bad taste in my mouth, so I vowed never again. Fast forward to G19X and Gen 5, I slowly started liking more of what I was seeing, though I still have my doubts regarding the pistols.

First concern, triggers in Gen 3 & 4 examples were not very shootable in my hands. The redesign trigger seems like a huge step in the right direction, though I've never tried one to see what it means ultimately. Reliability also seems to be up to par with newer ejector design to eliminate brass to face and weak/erratic ejection which mine were plagued with.... though I had no hard malfunctions in use.

Ergonomics, the much maligned Glock hump/angle... still a thing despite not having misplaced finger grooves for my smaller hands/finger length. The Gen 4 grip seemed to be big improvement over Gen 3, which for me felt just a bit too much trigger reach to really work well for me. So, I think I should be able to adapt to Gen 5 grip frames pretty reasonably well... but cannot be sure of this.

The FDE frame in PVD is just awesome with the FDE frame, this fact alone has me pretty much dialed in squarely to the G19X... though I am looking at others just not as strongly. Night Sights come factory, a big plus as I can't stand getting something that immediately needs an accessory just to be serviceable. Not crazy about the looks of the sights, but they seem to be satisfactory for the most part.

That leaves me kind of waffling between this (or G45) and CZ P-10C which has a great reputation as best I can tell. I would also imagine the CZ to be much more small hand friendly, so that is a big bonus and it does come with a factory front night sight which is also nice. Pricing makes it even more enticing when you can get threaded barrel model for $200 less than the Glock's.

Please feel free to add your thoughts towards the newer Gen 5 Glock 9mm (maybe I should look at others) or the CZ P-10C. Thanks in advance!

[LittleLebowski]

I felt that recoil is greater on the CZ. I think that the G5 Glocks are outstanding.

[WobblyPossum]

My understanding is that the 19X doesn’t have the breechface cut that is now standard on the Gen5 guns and improved extraction and ejection. I may be wrong about that though as I don’t own one. If I’m correct, the G45 is the same size but does have the cut.

[Alpha Sierra]

I am considering a Glock 9mm purchase despite having sworn off Glock's years ago after both my Gen 3 & 4 G17 pistols had been returned with brass to face issues still remaining with a note stating 'Tested, Within Spec' from factory inspection. This left a bad taste in my mouth, so I vowed never again. Fast forward to G19X and Gen 5, I slowly started liking more of what I was seeing, though I still have my doubts regarding the pistols.

First concern, triggers in Gen 3 & 4 examples were not very shootable in my hands. The redesign trigger seems like a huge step in the right direction, though I've never tried one to see what it means ultimately. Reliability also seems to be up to par with newer ejector design to eliminate brass to face and weak/erratic ejection which mine were plagued with.... though I had no hard malfunctions in use.

Ergonomics, the much maligned Glock hump/angle... still a thing despite not having misplaced finger grooves for my smaller hands/finger length. The Gen 4 grip seemed to be big improvement over Gen 3, which for me felt just a bit too much trigger reach to really work well for me. So, I think I should be able to adapt to Gen 5 grip frames pretty reasonably well... but cannot be sure of this.

The FDE frame in PVD is just awesome with the FDE frame, this fact alone has me pretty much dialed in squarely to the G19X... though I am looking at others just not as strongly. Night Sights come factory, a big plus as I can't stand getting something that immediately needs an accessory just to be serviceable. Not crazy about the looks of the sights, but they seem to be satisfactory for the most part.

That leaves me kind of waffling between this (or G45) and CZ P-10C which has a great reputation as best I can tell. I would also imagine the CZ to be much more small hand friendly, so that is a big bonus and it does come with a factory front night sight which is also nice. Pricing makes it even more enticing when you can get threaded barrel model for $200 less than the Glock's.

Please feel free to add your thoughts towards the newer Gen 5 Glock 9mm (maybe I should look at others) or the CZ P-10C. Thanks in advance!

Get a P-10C Optics Ready and don't look back.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Get a P-10C Optics Ready and don't look back.

Yeah, that is quite tempting too.

[ralph]

I had a gen 5, g19, it still would throw brass at me, although not nearly as often as some of the other glocks I’ve had..If you can find a place that rents them, that may be your best bet, try a couple and see..I did manage to get a g19 that throws empty’s vigorously to the right at about 3’oclock, doesn’t matter if they’re my loads, or +p defensive loads, all of them go to the right.It was a barely used early gen 3, I called Glock, and they told me it was made in Sept 1999, I gave $300 for it, it’s a keeper. But before I’d plop money down on a new one, I’d go rent a few first, if you can, while you’re at it rent out a P-10c, and take it for a test drive..One thing CZ’s don’t do is throw brass at you..and they’re stupid accurate.

[M2CattleCo]

I still think safest bet on ejection is with the fullsize slides. My early 19.5s weren't as consistent or robust as the latest version of the 17.5, and while I had two incurable 19.4s, I never had a problem with the 17s and 34s I shot during that same time.

As far as triggers? The Gen5s are the same as the others, just slightly more mush through the break. A lot of guys around here (myself included) find it to be very workable, but it's not significantly different than any other standard Glock triggers.

As already mentioned, the 19X doesn't have the latest machining to the breechface to help with ejection.

I do think that the 19X is about the best looking pistol on the market right now.

[Kirk]

I've had a bunch of CZ P10Cs and a bunch of Glocks. Shot a lot out of both of them. I think the new Gen 5 Glocks with front serrations and Marksman barrels are simply fantastic guns straight out of the box (minus sights). Add a gadget and it's really hard to beat.

The P10s are great too, and guys like Mike Pannone are running the heck out of them. I just think if I was choosing a single "platform" (or whatever), I'd still go Glock.

[Tensaw]

I like my 19X very much. No ejection issues to date. I would love to see some discussion on whether the G45 is better, and in what ways, as compared to the 19X. Mine has a pretty good trigger, for a Glock.

[ST911]

My understanding is that the 19X doesn’t have the breechface cut that is now standard on the Gen5 guns and improved extraction and ejection. I may be wrong about that though as I don’t own one. If I’m correct, the G45 is the same size but does have the cut.

Given 20 each of G19X and G45, I don't see an obvious difference in ejection, and no difference whatsoever in functional reliability across ammunition.

This oft-discussed breechface machining is not anywhere near as significant as the internet makes it out to be.

[HCountyGuy]

The P10s are great too, and guys like Mike Pannone are running the heck out of them.

Pannone’s now working for STI and running 2011s

[pangloss]

I still think safest bet on ejection is with the fullsize slides. My early 19.5s weren't as consistent or robust as the latest version of the 17.5, and while I had two incurable 19.4s, I never had a problem with the 17s and 34s I shot during that same time.

As far as triggers? The Gen5s are the same as the others, just slightly more mush through the break. A lot of guys around here (myself included) find it to be very workable, but it's not significantly different than any other standard Glock triggers.

As already mentioned, the 19X doesn't have the latest machining to the breechface to help with ejection.

I do think that the 19X is about the best looking pistol on the market right now.

I have a new (<2 months old) 19.5 with the breech face cut and it has shown excellent ejection over the ~600 rounds I've shot through it so far. I didn't have any problems with my older 19.5s, but the new one is definitely an improvement. A friend has a 43x with the same cut, and it's ejection is simply supernatural. I've never seen any pistol that ejects as well as that one, but it's still a low round count gun. Given these very limited observations, I'm not sure that slide size is a key factor, though I agree that generally full sized service pistols are more likely to work as intended than compacts and subcompacts. I'd not give a second thought to buying a 17 or a 45 with the cut. I would not buy a 19X if it doesn't have the cut.

[Clusterfrack]

I'll never be without Glocks, and I do carry them on occasion. But, I've settled on CZs. CZs fit my hands better, and I find them a little easier to shoot. Why not spend some time with both and see which you prefer? I could be happy with either.

[Trukinjp13]

Having had both. If I was starting fresh. The p10 line would be where I go. Fullsize p10f down to the p10s. And are available optics ready to non optics ready. Also can have commonality with a p07/p09 da/sa guns. Triggers and ergos are great and price is very reasonable.

The g45/g19x are also sweet guns along with the Glock lineup commonality. And if you prefer a gadget. Gadget capable.


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[Beat Trash]

I’d go for the 45 over the 19x. Unless the color is a deal breaker for you.

The 45 has the breach face cut. I now own 3 Glocks with this cut, a 45, a black 43x and a new blue label 19.5. The ejection on these guns is something you have to see to believe. It’s that good.

Additional, I don’t like the lip on the front of the magazine well of the 19x.

The triggers on the gen 5 guns are nice. I have 3 of the Gen5 19’s that I’ve bought knee the period that they’ve been out and available. But the latest 19.5 was purchased about two weeks ago. It’s one of the new production guns with the front slide serrations. It has THE best factory trigger I have ever felt on a Glock. The ONLY thing I feel the need to do with this gun is to lube it, load it and shoot it.

[Greg Bell]

Seriously consider one of the new g19s without the moon cut. I had one and I had zero issues with it, and I am not really a Glock guy.

[Tokarev]

Might as well throw my opinion in.

I have an MR918 Combat and have been perfectly satisfied with it. It as a Gen 4 Glock 19 copy with some custom touches added. I think a good analogy is a Colt Series 70 vs a Kimber Custom or similar 1911 with beavertail, better sights, etc.

The MR918 takes Glock sights, magazines and internal parts. It also fits in Glock holsters.

Several models are available:

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/mr918/

Shadow Systems is announcing a new product(s) at SHOT. I'm assuming one will be a Glock 17 but we'll know for sure in another 10 days or so.

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[1Rangemaster]

To the OP, it seems you are attracted to the 19x and its color scheme-that’s cool. I purchased one for a daughter when she wants a bigger frame than her 19. I shot a few hundred rounds through it, qualified with it, etc. No issues of any sort. One note is that the front strap “lip” precludes the use of the Gen5 mag base plate. Standard plates, Tango Down and “+” baseplates all work fine. I couldn’t bring myself to relieve the lip a few millimeters, so I just bought and extra set of FDE mags.
I cannot speak to the CZ line, although some here have experience and like them.
My suggestion would be to look at the G45MOS. With the exception of color, the current production has the latest and greatest qualities, e.g., the breechface cut and forward serrations;a full mag well w/no forward cutout is the current version. There is a measurable improvement in accuracy, both that I’ve seen and seen reported. The Gen5 triggers are consistently good across the 17, 19, 19X, 26, 45 and 45MOS I’ve been issued or purchased. I like the BOLD sights with the front orange outline; that is an option. If you want to go to a red dot in the future, you have the MOS system in place. Sight replacement would be necessary for backup then, but options abound. The Gen5 have the 1913 rail for light/laser if you need/want.
Plenty of support gear and services for GLOCK; important to a dept., some significance to an individual. If you are in free America, you can have 17,19, 24 and 33 round mags! I currently usually carry a Gen5 19MOS with an ACRO and TLR7A light mounted. My choice, as the 19 conceals a bit better for me. I would have no issues with a G45(or any Gen5 for that matter). Hope this is of some use

[Rex G]

The night sights on my G19x are shamefully worse than those delivered on my blue-label Gen4 G17 and G19. I was told that these sights are the only pattern available on the G19x. If true, this means one is discarding a more-expensive set of metal/glass/tritium sights than the usual cheap pieces of plastic. Perhaps a better front night sight can be height-matched. I would have rather paid a lower price for a G19x with the cheap plastic place-holders.

I did not find that my G19x, or my Gen5 G17, to have a “better” trigger pull than my five samples of Gen4. They were worse, as-delivered. This is subjective, of course, so other buyers should try some samples, and make an individual decision. Maybe I got lucky with my five Gen4 samples’ triggers, and unlucky with the G19x and Gen5 G17.

Another individual thing, but I, as a lefty, loathe the “ambidextrous” slide latch lever, as it interferes with my BOTH of my thumbs, and interferes with some favored holsters. My G19x and Gen5 G17 have appointments with a Dremel cutter.

I am not trying to discourage the OP from returning to Glock, but wanted to communicate that Glock is, and never has been perfect. I have one of my Gen4 G17 pistols on my hip, as I type this.

[Super77]

I'd do a G45 over the 19X, all the benefits, none of the drawbacks. Plus the G45 has a better magwell than the 19X.

[Cool Breeze]

**For me** one of the biggest selling points of the Glock is its long track record and reliability. Obviously you have not had the same experience. Gen5 guns seem good to go no matter what side of the spectrum you are on.

Simple design, small number of parts, ease of serviceability, and accessible replacement parts would point me towards Glock but I haven't had much experience with the CZ so I could be wrong.

One thing that is not an opinion is cost of mags, holster options, and ability to put a gadget on it. That would probably be the tipping point for me.

With regards to Glock models I would also point out that people have reported better mag changes with the G45 due to mag well vs. 19x. I'm assuming you don't care about grip length but a regular G19 would also be an option if you want a size for size match for the P10c and you intend to carry it. There is definitely a difference with ability to conceal the 19 vs. 17. Glock is also a few ounces lighter in weight if comfort is a concern for you when you carry.

[Kirk]

Pannone’s now working for STI and running 2011s

Yep, just found out about his switch recently. He's got me very interested in trying out a Staccato

[Duelist]

I really, really dig my 19x. If you like it, get one and don’t worry about anything else.

[rob_s]

IMO there's two ways of looking at this:
1) Go with the standard
Get yourself a Gen 5 standard Glock 19 off the showroom floor. People hate when I say this, but if that gun doesn't work for you... (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0c7fd38f-1393-4c2c-863f-1dfe070c05d2)
2) Try and find perfect
Read through this thread and others, go to the gun shops and gun shows and try to put your hands on every version, agonize over MOS or not, FDE or not, which factory sight options to choose...

Look, I've done, and still do, both. In my head I *know* that option 1 is correct (not just with guns but with just about everything in life), yet I get sucked into the rabbit hole of #2 more often than I'd care to admit. I try to remind myself to just go shoot the gun (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?28658-GO-SHOOT-THE-GUN!), but it doesn't always work.

I will say that typically I go down the rabbit hole, and then eventually wind up with #1. Sometimes before I wasted a bunch of time/money, others before I make a snowflake purchase. Just as examples, here's one (https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/my-ak) where I did it "right" IMO. Here's another (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19344-Beginner-Trap-amp-Skeet-Gun) recent example where I'm doing it right. Here's one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37271-quickest-cheapest-route-to-USPSA-PCC-from-where-I-am-now/page3) where I'm spiraling down the rabbit hole. Here's another one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38571-Compact-and-Lightweight-Scout-like-308-Bolt-Gun) where I, and a bunch of other folks, continue to circle the drain.

The point is, sometimes it's the chase that's the fun. I personally take great pleasure and pride in trying to find "perfect" and then feeling good about the purchase I made. What I also often find is that the route to option 1 is a true need/use, while option 2 is generally based in fantasy land to begin with.

[M2CattleCo]

What are you carrying now?

I've used, and liked Glock, 1911, Beretta, and Sig handguns over the years, but I always come back to the Glock 17K. I've continuously had one for 13 years, haven't been without a Glock for 19 years.

Get a 19X or whatever and a Raven Perun and try it out. Really can't get any cheaper of a holster and they work ok. Good thing about 'em is that they're easy to get rid of if you don't like it.

[Doc_Glock]

IMO there's two ways of looking at this:
1) Go with the standard
Get yourself a Gen 5 standard Glock 19 off the showroom floor. People hate when I say this, but if that gun doesn't work for you... (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0c7fd38f-1393-4c2c-863f-1dfe070c05d2)
2) Try and find perfect
Read through this thread and others, go to the gun shops and gun shows and try to put your hands on every version, agonize over MOS or not, FDE or not, which factory sight options to choose...

Look, I've done, and still do, both. In my head I *know* that option 1 is correct (not just with guns but with just about everything in life), yet I get sucked into the rabbit hole of #2 more often than I'd care to admit. I try to remind myself to just go shoot the gun (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?28658-GO-SHOOT-THE-GUN!), but it doesn't always work.

I will say that typically I go down the rabbit hole, and then eventually wind up with #1. Sometimes before I wasted a bunch of time/money, others before I make a snowflake purchase. Just as examples, here's one (https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/my-ak) where I did it "right" IMO. Here's another (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19344-Beginner-Trap-amp-Skeet-Gun) recent example where I'm doing it right. Here's one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37271-quickest-cheapest-route-to-USPSA-PCC-from-where-I-am-now/page3) where I'm spiraling down the rabbit hole. Here's another one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38571-Compact-and-Lightweight-Scout-like-308-Bolt-Gun) where I, and a bunch of other folks, continue to circle the drain.

The point is, sometimes it's the chase that's the fun. I personally take great pleasure and pride in trying to find "perfect" and then feeling good about the purchase I made. What I also often find is that the route to option 1 is a true need/use, while option 2 is generally based in fantasy land to begin with.

This should some sort of sticky or FAQ. Yoda level stuff here, thanks rob_s

[Tokarev]

a Raven Perun and try it out. Really can't get any cheaper of a holster and they work ok.

The Perun I've been using these last six months or so has developed an annoying squeak when I move. It doesn't do it all the time only when I twist or turn just right. It probably isn't a big deal but it sure seems loud.

I have messed with the retention setting and that seems to have helped but the squeak is still there.

I miss old Raven Concealment....


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[M2CattleCo]

Yep. I don't have a squeaking Perun, but I have a couple of Phantoms and they're better than the Perun.

I wish they still made 'em.

[Tokarev]

Yep. I don't have a squeaking Perun, but I have a couple of Phantoms and they're better than the Perun.

I wish they still made 'em.Fury makes some nice stuff but the IWB rides a bit high for me.

Also props to JM Custom. I have a Hi Power IWB (now discontinued) that rides well.

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[tlong17]

I absolute love my 45. The entire concept of the full size grip on the compact slide has really won me over. Which is interesting because at first I thought it was the stupidest thing ever. I consistently shoot better with that combo for whatever reason. You can’t go wrong with any of the Gen 5’s though in my opinion. I don’t see a reason to get the 19x other than for the cool factor. Which is worth something!

[M2CattleCo]

Shoot better with it compared to what?

I've kinda been keeping track of a 19X that's been making the rounds with the guys I shoot with and it ain't no 34 or even a 17...

[tlong17]

Shoot better with it compared to what?

I've kinda been keeping track of a 19X that's been making the rounds with the guys I shoot with and it ain't no 34 or even a 17...

Only other Glocks I have to compare to are a 34 and 19. Obviously the full grip makes a big difference compared to the 19.

It’s very possible I need more time behind the 34, admittedly.

[M2CattleCo]

Only other Glocks I have to compare to are a 34 and 19. Obviously the full grip makes a big difference compared to the 19.

It’s very possible I need more time behind the 34, admittedly.

We haven't found the grip to make a measurable difference between a 19 and 19X.

I, and others, have found a 34 to be about the same as a G17 out to 15 yards or so, then the 34 pulls ahead as a little easier to make make a low probability hit with.

I think I can rip a mag dump faster with a 19 than a 17, but I've never put it to a timer. Making shots count, I do measurably better with a 17, but it's close.

[10mmfanboy]

My gen 4 have fairly erratic ejection, although btf isn't a common thing to happen to me. I usually shoot +p ammo through them. Anyway I don't know if anyone mentioned it on here or not but I bought some gen 5 trigger housings with the 47021 ejectors in them. I pulled out those ejectors and put them in my gen 4 trigger housings and get pretty dang good ejection. A constant 3 to 4 feet at about a 3:30 - 4:00 angle.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

So, a bit of an update here. I am leaning towards the G19X for a number of reasons, firstly it's just a cool gun and I absolutely am fed up with all black guns. Secondly, according to Chris Bartocci of Small Arms Solutions... who usually has his fact checked... claims they went 200,000 rounds in testing without a stoppage. If that is true, I am ridiculously impressed... assuming I understood what he said correctly in his YouTube video. I do have experience with the G17's so I feel that I have a leg up the fact it uses the same basic frame shape.

I am leaning towards getting a Mitch Rosen Stylemaster Express for carry, as it suits my needs these days and I am ok with it's limitations. I've come to appreciate all day comfort and not having a tight belt on all day makes a big difference. These holsters are supposed to be fantastic BTW, I don't doubt it... Mitch's shop makes great stuff in my experience. Also, if I end up really not liking the pistol... I could probably still run a P-10C in this same holster I would imagine given what CZ claims on holster fit.


Given 20 each of G19X and G45, I don't see an obvious difference in ejection, and no difference whatsoever in functional reliability across ammunition.

This oft-discussed breechface machining is not anywhere near as significant as the internet makes it out to be.

I suspect this may be quite true, I am guessing if it were needed on the G19X they'd have been making the recent ones with it.


IMO there's two ways of looking at this:
1) Go with the standard
Get yourself a Gen 5 standard Glock 19 off the showroom floor. People hate when I say this, but if that gun doesn't work for you... (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0c7fd38f-1393-4c2c-863f-1dfe070c05d2)
2) Try and find perfect
Read through this thread and others, go to the gun shops and gun shows and try to put your hands on every version, agonize over MOS or not, FDE or not, which factory sight options to choose...

Look, I've done, and still do, both. In my head I *know* that option 1 is correct (not just with guns but with just about everything in life), yet I get sucked into the rabbit hole of #2 more often than I'd care to admit. I try to remind myself to just go shoot the gun (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?28658-GO-SHOOT-THE-GUN!), but it doesn't always work.

I will say that typically I go down the rabbit hole, and then eventually wind up with #1. Sometimes before I wasted a bunch of time/money, others before I make a snowflake purchase. Just as examples, here's one (https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/my-ak) where I did it "right" IMO. Here's another (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19344-Beginner-Trap-amp-Skeet-Gun) recent example where I'm doing it right. Here's one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37271-quickest-cheapest-route-to-USPSA-PCC-from-where-I-am-now/page3) where I'm spiraling down the rabbit hole. Here's another one (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38571-Compact-and-Lightweight-Scout-like-308-Bolt-Gun) where I, and a bunch of other folks, continue to circle the drain.

The point is, sometimes it's the chase that's the fun. I personally take great pleasure and pride in trying to find "perfect" and then feeling good about the purchase I made. What I also often find is that the route to option 1 is a true need/use, while option 2 is generally based in fantasy land to begin with.

This is sage advice, though for myself... I'm going to probably go for the G19X in that I don't mind the slightly longer grip. I also appreciate that the two extra spare mags are 19 rounds so I don't have to buy more to start carrying.


I absolute love my 45. The entire concept of the full size grip on the compact slide has really won me over. Which is interesting because at first I thought it was the stupidest thing ever. I consistently shoot better with that combo for whatever reason. You can’t go wrong with any of the Gen 5’s though in my opinion. I don’t see a reason to get the 19x other than for the cool factor. Which is worth something!

I have to admit when the G19X came out I thought it was completely a dumb thing to do, since everyone always says we need shorter grips rather than shorter slides. That said, I've come to find that the slide length does matter for concealment and comfort at times. Also, it does lend something different from a physics standpoint that should make it shoot differently.

[M2CattleCo]

I say go for it.

I want a 19X just for a place to hang my FDE Surfire light and suppressor!;)

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I say go for it.

I want a 19X just for a place to hang my FDE Surfire light and suppressor!;)

I have been looking at getting one of the FDE X300 for a while now, this may put me over the edge finally.

[1Rangemaster]

A 19X is a good choice, especially if you like a different color. Mitch Rosen has, in my limited experience, always built quality gear. I have a 19X, and found a Streamlight TLR1 in FDE/tan/sand which I put with it. A Surefire is an upgrade by almost any measure.
The 19X reportedly did well in all testing, and I had zero issues with my sample. My only note would be the Gen5 mag base plate with its little lip won’t seat in the 19X frame. No big deal-just be aware.
Let us know how it works out!

[Eagle1*]

You will not go wrong with the 19X as I have 2 of them and really like the peanut butter look of them compared to the boring all black gun Glock is notorious for. Of course the X has some features that their other guns do not and that also makes it a neat gun to have and shoot. For the price, you cant go wrong. Mine shoot poa/poi and are flat shooting guns as well. I shoot my gen4 19 a little better but that I think is because I have had a 19 since I could buy one at 21 so I have allot of time behind the 19 so I need to give the 19x some time so I can get there with that platform as well. I am trying too though and enjoying the process and so will you...

[Wake27]

So 19X has a color other than black which makes up for the lack of FCS, magwell, and the addition of that stupid lip that makes it incompatible with Gen 5 mags?


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[M2CattleCo]

So 19X has a color other than black which makes up for the lack of FCS, magwell, and the addition of that stupid lip that makes it incompatible with Gen 5 mags?


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Yup.

I'd knock that little lip off the grip. Don't know what purpose it serves as the heel of your hand/glove is what gets caught on a reload.

[M2CattleCo]

So 19X has a color other than black which makes up for the lack of FCS, magwell, and the addition of that stupid lip that makes it incompatible with Gen 5 mags?


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Yup.

I'd knock that little lip off the grip. Don't know what purpose it serves as the heel of your hand/glove is what gets caught on a reload.

[rob_s]

So 19X has a color other than black which makes up for the lack of FCS, magwell, and the addition of that stupid lip that makes it incompatible with Gen 5 mags?

Can I get a 19x slide on a 45 frame?

That way I have to deal with neither the stupidass lip nor the stupidass front cocking serrations.

[Gio]

From my perspective, which is entirely focused on performance, the 19X magwell sucks for reloading quickly and reliably. If you want a short slide/long grip, the 45 is a much better gun. If I was going to deal with a long grip for concealment though, or was just buying a full size gun to shoot at the range or compete with, I would definitely go 17 or 34 for the increased sight radius. Despite what the internet says, sight radius matters unless you put an optic on the gun.

[M2CattleCo]

^ And a fullsize is softer shooting.

[Doc_Glock]

Yup.

I'd knock that little lip off the grip. Don't know what purpose it serves as the heel of your hand/glove is what gets caught on a reload.

Yup. Two G19Xs that I love, and shoot well despite the stupid sights. Knocked the lip off both with zero regrets.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200114/6f0a11803de5e5ea89dbe6eb2c3641ab.jpg

[JBP55]

I replaced 4 G19X pistols with 4 of the more improved G45 pistols.

[JBP55]

Given 20 each of G19X and G45, I don't see an obvious difference in ejection, and no difference whatsoever in functional reliability across ammunition.

This oft-discussed breechface machining is not anywhere near as significant as the internet makes it out to be.

I disagree. Having owned 4 G19X and now 4 G45 I see a great deal of difference in the way the cases are ejected.

[ralph]

From my perspective, which is entirely focused on performance, the 19X magwell sucks for reloading quickly and reliably. If you want a short slide/long grip, the 45 is a much better gun. If I was going to deal with a long grip for concealment though, or was just buying a full size gun to shoot at the range or compete with, I would definitely go 17 or 34 for the increased sight radius. Despite what the internet says, sight radius matters unless you put an optic on the gun.

Rented out a G45 today..color me impressed. I have a gen4 g17 MOS I bought a couple of weeks ago and the g45 is a better pistol in every respect. Shot about 4mags of my loads through the g45, every single case ejected to the right on a high arc, I got hit with brass, not from the pistol throwing them at me, but rather the cases bouncing off the wall of the stall I was shooting in.. The trigger was better, ejection of empty’s was very vigorous, looks like Glock may have finally solved the BTF problem. I believe the breechface cut really works..Tomorrow I’m going back and ordering a G45 MOS, I’ll be putting my G17 MOS up for sale, along with another pistol in about a week or so..

Once I get the G45 I’m going to put my Trijicon RMR on it...

[Duelist]

Yup.

I'd knock that little lip off the grip. Don't know what purpose it serves as the heel of your hand/glove is what gets caught on a reload.

I like the lip, as my little finger will sometimes get caught in a reload pinch on other guns, such as the Beretta 92 series. Never has happened with the 19x.

[matt7184]

I disagree. Having owned 4 G19X and now 4 G45 I see a great deal of difference in the way the cases are ejected.

Same. The ejection is so dramatically better with the new breachface cut I won't purchase a new Glock (or replacement slide) without it.

[rob_s]

Same. The ejection is so dramatically better with the new breachface cut I won't purchase a new Glock (or replacement slide) without it.

Which Glocks have it?

[BigT]

Which Glocks have it?


All current production Gen5 guns

Was introduced around the same time as the MOS Gen5 guns IIRC.

[matt7184]

Which Glocks have it?

All of the MOS guns with Forward Serrations, 19/17 with Forward Serrations Only, and the Glock 45. The latest M guns and 19Xs I've seen do not have it (yet, hopefully it comes out as a rolling change). Plus a lot of shops still have the old stock with the moon cuts (or colored Gen 5s) which don't have it.

Also I've been told from a trustworthy person none of the boutique (Zev and Agency) Gen 5 slides coming out have this cut.

[BigT]

While all the FS guns have the cut , not all the guns with the cut are FS guns if that makes sense.

I don't see it as a deal breaker though...

[rob_s]

All current production Gen5 guns

Was introduced around the same time as the MOS Gen5 guns IIRC.


All of the MOS guns with Forward Serrations, 19/17 with Forward Serrations Only, and the Glock 45. The latest M guns and 19Xs I've seen do not have it (yet, hopefully it comes out as a rolling change). Plus a lot of shops still have the old stock with the moon cuts (or colored Gen 5s) which don't have it.

Also I've been told from a trustworthy person none of the boutique (Zev and Agency) Gen 5 slides coming out have this cut.


While all the FS guns have the cut , not all the guns with the cut are FS guns if that makes sense.

I don't see it as a deal breaker though...

So a G34 MOS Gen 5, yes or no?

[matt7184]

They had MOS G5 g34s with the moon shape front strap cut out and no front serrations which DOES NOT have the breachface cut. The MOS G5 G34 with no moon shape cut out and front serrations DOES have the cut out.

You want the G5 G34 MOS with no moon shape cut out and front serrations. This one: https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g34-gen5-mos-fs

[CDFIII]

So a G34 MOS Gen 5, yes or no?

yes.

[rob_s]

so this one yes? (https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/106737/glock+g34+g5+9mm+17%2b1+53%22+mos+front+serrations )
https://www.budsgunshop.com/images/106737.jpg



this one no? (https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/50343/glock+g34+g5+9mm+17%2b1+53%22+mos+adjustable+sight s)
https://www.budsgunshop.com/images/50343.jpg

[JTQ]

The ejection is so dramatically better with the new breachface cut I won't purchase a new Glock (or replacement slide) without it.
I wonder if they'll put this feature on new production Gen 3 and Gen 4 guns?

[M2CattleCo]

I wonder if they'll put this feature on new production Gen 3 and Gen 4 guns?

If they would do a Gen3 with no finger grooves, Gen5 texture, and all the ejection updates, they'd have it down.

[Texaspoff]

Yup. Two G19Xs that I love, and shoot well despite the stupid sights. Knocked the lip off both with zero regrets.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200114/6f0a11803de5e5ea89dbe6eb2c3641ab.jpg


Me too... :)

https://i.imgur.com/ecdhYdK.jpg



TXPO

[ralph]

Ordered G45 MOS this AM, hopefully it’ll get here by Friday, if not then Monday, before I ordered it I searched around the ‘net and watched several videos of people shooting these, you know, MAC, Hickock45, etc, while I didn’t listen to all the blather, what I did watch was how the pistols ejected empty’s, and all of them shot out of the ejection port on a high arc landing about 8’ away from the shooter, the only pistols I have that eject like that are CZ’s. The point is with all these different videos you have different people shooting the pistol with different ammo, and yet the ejection pattern didn’t change.. The acid test for me was yesterday when I shot my loads through the rental G45, It didn’t seem to matter, each and every empty case went flying out vigorously to the right, on a high arc.. Anybody on the fence about these go watch the videos on the net, turn down the volume, and pay attention when they shoot the pistol, and watch the ejection pattern.. I honestly think (I’ll know for sure after I’ve shot mine,)Glock may have finally solved the BTF problem....

[kihnspiracy]

I bought a 19X when they first came out. It shot well, but I really hated the front magwell lip. So I sold it and got a 45. I am quite pleased with it.

[ralph]

Picked up the G45 MOS on Friday, ran a bore snake through the bore and went to the lgs’s indoor range. Ran 5-6 mags of my practice loads through it with zero issues. Ejection was the same as the rental G45, which is excellent, all the cases to the right, being sent out of the ejection port vigorously.. This pistol shoots flat, rapid strings aren’t hard to do.. Glock finally addressed the BTF problem, and I honestly think it’s going to be a thing of the past. The next thing is to order some Dawson sights that’ll clear the RMR, and once those are sighted in, Mount the Red Dot, look around for a holster, get some practice in with it, and down the road, start carrying it, and see how it works out..