The Ultimate P320 M17 Collectible

[Tokarev]

Just in time for Christmas!


https://www.sigsauer.com/m17-surplus/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q32Q-b7QE5o&feature=emb_title

[echo5charlie]

Just in time for Christmas!


https://www.sigsauer.com/m17-surplus/

Retail MAP - $699.99

[Tokarev]

https://www.provenoutfitters.com/p320-m17-mil-spec

[Cory]

https://www.provenoutfitters.com/p320-m17-mil-spec

I'm not a Sig fan. But damn, to own a USGI pistol?

I want one. Sucks that the only place I see with a order page is restricted to certain buyers and regular vets don't cut the mustard.

They'll sell for a lot of money after they sell out. Same happened to the M45.

-Cory

[M2CattleCo]

In bizarro world '19 people pay more for mil-surp/reject/refurb/used plastic pistols.

[NPV]

I'm not a Sig fan. But damn, to own a USGI pistol?

I want one. Sucks that the only place I see with a order page is restricted to certain buyers and regular vets don't cut the mustard.

They'll sell for a lot of money after they sell out. Same happened to the M45.

-Cory

I still regret not buying a few of those when I saw them under $1500. I though it was complete bullshit when I can across them now they’re going for stupid money.

Would have loved to have bought a few and make 300% on some airsofters a couple years down the road.

[TGS]

I'd be much more interested in a USGI M9.

[JSGlock34]

SSD: Now’s Your Chance To Get A Surplus M17 MHS Pistol from SIG SAUER (http://soldiersystems.net/2019/12/17/nows-your-chance-to-get-a-surplus-m17-mhs-pistol-from-sig-sauer/)

The pistols are not that old and were swapped out by the US Army in order to pure fleet the pistols with the Black controls.

Good thing we're pure fleeting black controls. I'm not sure my OCD could handle having two different colored slide releases in the same arms room...

[Cory]

I'd be much more interested in a USGI M9.

Absolutely. I loved my issued M9. A USGI would mean a ton to me.

Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.

-Cory

[Cool Breeze]

It sounded like it was a benefit to Sig that they didn't have to coat the slide and controls... "we were able to switch to black..."

For someone that is not up to date in M17 lore, was there a specific reason the military went this route?

[TGS]

SSD: Now’s Your Chance To Get A Surplus M17 MHS Pistol from SIG SAUER (http://soldiersystems.net/2019/12/17/nows-your-chance-to-get-a-surplus-m17-mhs-pistol-from-sig-sauer/)

The pistols are not that old and were swapped out by the US Army in order to pure fleet the pistols with the Black controls.

Good thing we're pure fleeting black controls. I'm not sure my OCD could handle having two different colored slide releases in the same arms room...

I'm sure there was some senior SNCO that was absolutely losing his damn mind, and probably making armorers polish the parts clean to a shine just so they were uniform.

[ccmdfd]

Mercy.

Reminds me of the days after the first run of 226 Navy's (the special ones with the NSW prefix, donation to charity, certificate, etc). They were such a hit that SIG decided to make 226 Navy's as a part of their regular production line.

Man, the forums were full of talk about real vs fake, contract overruns vs false marketing.

There were people out there who firmly believed that their particular pistol was crated up and headed off to the SEAL's, only to be stopped and sent to them instead.

They were ready to pay handsomely for such a pistol as opposed to one which was just called Navy.

Guess SIG learned from that and is looking to profit from it.

cc

[HCM]

Mercy.

Reminds me of the days after the first run of 226 Navy's (the special ones with the NSW prefix, donation to charity, certificate, etc). They were such a hit that SIG decided to make 226 Navy's as a part of their regular production line.

Man, the forums were full of talk about real vs fake, contract overruns vs false marketing.

There were people out there who firmly believed that their particular pistol was crated up and headed off to the SEAL's, only to be stopped and sent to them instead.

They were ready to pay handsomely for such a pistol as opposed to one which was just called Navy.

Guess SIG learned from that and is looking to profit from it.

cc

Offer the Army a no cost swap of a <$200 pistol so SIG can sell the exchanged gun at 3x to 4x more ? That’s just capitalism.

Why do you think that after the 1994 AWB Glock swapped Police Depts brand new .40 calls for used, pre-ban 9mms ? Give $200 worth of guns and new mags, re-sell the gun with one mag for double that, then sell the two or three additional mags for $50 to $100 each, even at $50 @ mag that’s $300 profit on a $200 gun.

[SeriousStudent]

I'm not a Sig fan. But damn, to own a USGI pistol?

I want one. Sucks that the only place I see with a order page is restricted to certain buyers and regular vets don't cut the mustard.

They'll sell for a lot of money after they sell out. Same happened to the M45.

-Cory

I have one of the M45's. It's a fun gun for a recovering crayon eater.

[M2CattleCo]

Mercy.

Reminds me of the days after the first run of 226 Navy's (the special ones with the NSW prefix, donation to charity, certificate, etc). They were such a hit that SIG decided to make 226 Navy's as a part of their regular production line.

Man, the forums were full of talk about real vs fake, contract overruns vs false marketing.

There were people out there who firmly believed that their particular pistol was crated up and headed off to the SEAL's, only to be stopped and sent to them instead.

They were ready to pay handsomely for such a pistol as opposed to one which was just called Navy.

Guess SIG learned from that and is looking to profit from it.

cc

The NSW 226s were legit. They had all the correct parts and coatings like a mil gun.

The early MK25s did too, but some of the later ones I saw had blued MIM trigger bars and sears, and Nitron hammers, some even with no chrome lined barrel.

There's Sigs and there's Sigs.

[tlong17]

Anywhere else other than Proven selling them to non LE/mil?

[Tokarev]

Anywhere else other than Proven selling them to non LE/mil?Osage County is getting them as well.

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[Hambo]

SSD: Now’s Your Chance To Get A Surplus M17 MHS Pistol from SIG SAUER (http://soldiersystems.net/2019/12/17/nows-your-chance-to-get-a-surplus-m17-mhs-pistol-from-sig-sauer/)

The pistols are not that old and were swapped out by the US Army in order to pure fleet the pistols with the Black controls.

Good thing we're pure fleeting black controls. I'm not sure my OCD could handle having two different colored slide releases in the same arms room...

So let I get this straight. The military was OK with a mix of M9s, M9A1s, and M9A3s, but having different colored safeties on <2yo pistols is a problem. Anything is possible in the military, but when SIG talks I presume they're lying.

[JonInWA]

As I recall, the change in slide lever, etc. from coyote to the same black finish as commercial guns was made to speed up production and issue of the M17s.

Having been a former Army company commander and group XO, I'm not real enthused about getting a issued M17. Let's just say it's unlikely they received much more than rudimentary care and likely suffered from indifferent at best handling...

Best, Jon

[ccmdfd]

As I recall, the change in slide lever, etc. from coyote to the same black finish as commercial guns was made to speed up production and issue of the M17s.



Best, Jon

Which makes sense, but doesn't really explain why they needed to trade back in the pistols which they already received.

Whole thing seems strange to me. Bizzaro world indeed.

We're going to sell you a USGI pistol, but which was turned in within 2 years of getting it so they could get a model with different colored controls. So now it's not really the pistol issued to the .mil. If you want one of those, you will have to get one with the black controls. And we've set an MSRP at what a completely new pistol would cost.

Also, don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist; but given the 320's history, some are going to wonder if other changes have been made behind the scenes.

cc

[JonInWA]

Which makes sense, but doesn't really explain why they needed to trade back in the pistols which they already received.

Whole thing seems strange to me. Bizzaro world indeed.

We're going to sell you a USGI pistol, but which was turned in within 2 years of getting it so they could get a model with different colored controls. So now it's not really the pistol issued to the .mil. If you want one of those, you will have to get one with the black controls. And we've set an MSRP at what a completely new pistol would cost.

Also, don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist; but given the 320's history, some are going to wonder if other changes have been made behind the scenes.

cc

I would be amazed if there haven't been...

Frankly, I'm kind hard pressed to get a grasp on the desirability of these things, other than the cachet of it being an issued military gun. Of course, you have absolutely zero idea if it was issued to a combat arms, combat support, or combat service support unit/individual; other than it being issued, you have no idea of its actual provinance/use.

To me, it's kind like the CMP 1911 release-other than to have a WWII era 1911, your're probably getting a mixmaster gun, with parts substitutions/replacements performed by unit or higher echelon organizations, with zero provinance, and a 1911 with inferior sights and steels/hardening. Personally, I prefer a Series 70 Repro (and I actually have both) if you actually intend to seriously shoot/carry the thing.

Unless SIG and/or their distributors are offering these things at significantly discounted prices (because, hey, it's a used {and used apparently to a wide spectrum of use/wear possibilities}, my interest level is low. And other than providing the additional RSA for use with standard pressure ammunition, SIG isn't specifying that they've performed any examination or refurbishment-or if so, what specifically it entailed. And I curious what warranty is provided...

Best, Jon

[Tokarev]

Which makes sense, but doesn't really explain why they needed to trade back in the pistols which they already received.

Whole thing seems strange to me. Bizzaro world indeed.

We're going to sell you a USGI pistol, but which was turned in within 2 years of getting it so they could get a model with different colored controls. So now it's not really the pistol issued to the .mil. If you want one of those, you will have to get one with the black controls. And we've set an MSRP at what a completely new pistol would cost.

Also, don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist; but given the 320's history, some are going to wonder if other changes have been made behind the scenes.

cc

Was there another change related to the thumb safety and slide stop colors? Maybe some internal parts coatings that weren't on these original guns?

[LockedBreech]

Mercy.

Reminds me of the days after the first run of 226 Navy's (the special ones with the NSW prefix, donation to charity, certificate, etc). They were such a hit that SIG decided to make 226 Navy's as a part of their regular production line.

Man, the forums were full of talk about real vs fake, contract overruns vs false marketing.

There were people out there who firmly believed that their particular pistol was crated up and headed off to the SEAL's, only to be stopped and sent to them instead.

They were ready to pay handsomely for such a pistol as opposed to one which was just called Navy.

Guess SIG learned from that and is looking to profit from it.

cc

Just more of that tacticool factor I cared so much about before I found PF. Truth is, a SEAL could make an XD-9 sing like most shooters couldn't make a P226 Legion.

As PF is always right about, it's the shooter, not the tool.

[Zincwarrior]

Retail MAP - $699.99
X5 is abut $800...
-adjustable sights
-magwell
-better trigger

[Bobert1035]

I get the appeal, definitely.

Looks like they're backordered already at the 1st sale link. Wonder how many were available total?

[Tokarev]

I get the appeal, definitely.

Looks like they're backordered already at the 1st sale link. Wonder how many were available total?

Osage County says to keep an eye on their Instabook page. The USGI M17 will be posted there when available.

[AJD21]

https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P226_Navy_model/14-36440/

Little sidebar but the U-Prefix P226 no rail Navy models that followed the NSW guns were actually identical to the Seal pistols, the NSW guns were not as the serial number was not correct. An old post from the former Sigarms Marketing Director from a long time ago lays things out. This is all pre Ron Cohen so any “oh boy Sig being Sig” is just salty bullshit.

There are three version of the Navy SEAL pistol. The differences are subtle in some regard.

1) NSW serialized P226 was a pistol we released that was identical to the one we build for the SEALs except for the "NSW" serial # prefix. The actual gun they get has a U serial # prefeix. The NSW pistols were also part of a fundraising effort on the part of SIGARMS to raise money for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. We were able to raise $100,000 plus another $25,000 from the auction of serial # NSW0001. We estimate that SIGforum members accounted for 10% of the pistols purchased. This gun came with a Certificate of Authenticity which has the NSW serial # prefix already printed on the card. We printed extras.

2) Non rail P226 Navy with serial # prefix of U is the actual honest to God gun we have supplied the US Navy SEALs with for several years. No certificate was designed to go with this gun.

3) Railed P226 Navy with serial # prefix of U is the newer version of the SEAL pistol. Very few people know this because we have not really announced it but the Navy ordered about 1,000 P226 pistols with the rail to replace older guns in their armory. I believe they are only ordering railed P226 pistols from that first order to the present. No certificate was designed for this gun.

The original certificate has been placed in some of the pistol boxes that have U serial numbers. This was a mistake - and an obvious one I would think - but one that was made. Having a certificate that reads "NSW" on the serial # line when your gun has a "U" prefix is, well, pointless. The only thing that certificate would authenticate is the fact that somebody placed it in the box. I asked them to stop putting the wrong material in those boxes which they have done. Only the special run of NSW serialized pistols was supposed to have a certificate in it.

Hopefully this clears up the confusion. And don't worry, I am used to having my name spelled wrong. - ERHARDT"

Thanks to Erhardt SiGARMS Director of Marketing posted on SigForum

[Cory]

Osage County says to keep an eye on their Instabook page. The USGI M17 will be posted there when available.

I was told they are only getting 20. They were first approached and offered the guns by the mil/leo side of Sig with an MSRP of $699. Since then Sig's website has clearly offered them to regular non mil/leo qualified buyers. They said they were unsure if they're restricted to mil/leo qualified buyers or not and have reached out to Sig for clarification but haven't received any. They also weren't sure if the MSRP was for mil/leo only.

Watch social media for news and clarification from them was their advice.

-Cory

[rcbusmc24]

This all seems to me like the same type of situation as when the M45s went back to Colt.... Some contract clause was exercised requiring replacement, which reverted the originals back to manufacturer property once replaced. Reason they were sent back doesn't really matter. Company figures they might as well get their money back out of them so they release them to the market. Same way many Army reject guns were sold on the civilian market in the long ago past... Colt single actions and such with reject marks.... I guess they are cool from a " having been a service gun" perspective yet I'm still not personally looking forward to the day I turn in my M9 and replace it with a M18...

[John Hearne]

This all seems to me like the same type of situation as when the M45s went back to Colt.... Some contract clause was exercised requiring replacement, which reverted the originals back to manufacturer property once replaced.

CDNN regularly has red label 320's for sale at very reasonable prices. I'm betting a lot of those are returned LE guns as they seem to all have night sights.

They run around $350-370 a piece which isn't bad for a soul-less plastic pistol.

[GlorifiedMailman]

The claim that they were traded in because of the tan controls seems very suspect to me, especially considering the wide variety of colors M4s are accepted in. Purple, matte, jet black, green-ish, etc.

More than likely these are the early problem guns. Makes sense since these are from the same era of 320 production which had the drop-fire problems.

[TGS]

The claim that they were traded in because of the tan controls seems very suspect to me, especially considering the wide variety of colors M4s are accepted in. Purple, matte, jet black, green-ish, etc.

Huh?


More than likely these are the early problem guns. Makes sense since these are from the same era of 320 production which had the drop-fire problems.

The MHS M17/M18 had the drop safety issue addressed from the get go. They never shipped M17s/M18s that had the drop fire problems, which even if they did wouldn't be a reason to send the pistols back to SIG since it's an issue which can be fixed by military armorers.

[HCountyGuy]

As expected these things are going for stupid prices, around $1200.

I get the idea of owning something that might’ve actually seen deployment use from a collector’s standpoint, but $1200? Eeeeehhhh...

[HCM]

As expected these things are going for stupid prices, around $1200.

I get the idea of owning something that might’ve actually seen deployment use from a collector’s standpoint, but $1200? Eeeeehhhh...

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[Cory]

Osage County Guns picked who could buy their 25 guns with a lottery draw.

-Cory

[tgoldie00]

I picked one of these up today. Interesting move by Sig. Essentially they are reselling Army trade backs of the initial order fulfillment. The pistol has the Coyote anodized controls they now have discontinued (US branches now get M17 pistols with black controls like the civilian P320 M17 edition). My LGS received 5, and I got the pick of the litter. Condition varied among them, I chose a very clean copy (not much visible wear or use, others had notable holster wear and were dirty). My copy has minimal holster wear, and a rack # paint-penned on the grip. Barrel wear is negligible at best. It was fired, but rarely. It has amber rear sight tritium and green front per spec.

For those who like Milsurp this is a fun pickup! It does have the updated action like all warrantied P320s do. They seem to be getting a premium at the moment on auction sites, but I paid a fair retail price so that gives me a good out if I need it, but I think this one will stick around with me for a good while!

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[tlong17]

Thanks for the pictures! Looks great.

[Cory]

I have been outspoken of my dislike for the a tion Sig took concerning the 320.

The option to own a USGI pistol mattered alot to me.

47129

It's got wear. No rack number. I'm thrilled. USGI arms aren't very prevelent anymore, and I'm glad to have a US modern surplus.

If it wasn't USGI I wouldn't care. I have no plans to relu on it for defense or mount a red dot or anything. It's just cool to own.

-Cory

[Mjolnir]

Try Interstate Guns in Hammond, LA for all things SIG - especially these decommissioned pistols. They had one this weekend and I recall they were asking $800 for it.


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