SIG new releases and discontinued models

[Tokarev]

Info on the 2020 handgun lineup here:

https://osagecountyguns.com/blog/%CAtegory%25/sig-2020-releases/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=sendy&subject=121619

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[LockedBreech]

The amount of P226/P229 discontinuances is significant

[OlongJohnson]

I'm still looking for a P226 SBSS.

[Jared]

Looks like the P2xx guns are pretty much down to the Legion models and one or two more SKUs at this point. 225 totally gone. 320 and 365 lines getting bigger.

[NPV]

The amount of P226/P229 discontinuances is significant

Honestly something they should have done 5 years ago, a well built plain P226 is all you need. They didn’t need 25 colored variants of the same gun. Just as long as they don’t go away completely.....

[APS-PF]

You will have to buy an M17 or M18 to get a manual safety 320.

[LockedBreech]

Honestly something they should have done 5 years ago, a well built plain P226 is all you need. They didn’t need 25 colored variants of the same gun. Just as long as they don’t go away completely.....

I couldn't agree more. Sig hasn't given many indications the last few years they want to pare down and focus on quality, but I'm ready to meet them there if they do.

[pangloss]

I've never even handled one, but I wish the 225 had had a longer run. Based on it's dimensions, I don't think it's a terribly practical pistol, but I sure love it's aesthetics.

[TexasSiegfried]

Did i miss seeing the 2022, or do they just not bother to list it?

[MattyD380]

I've never even handled one, but I wish the 225 had had a longer run. Based on it's dimensions, I don't think it's a terribly practical pistol, but I sure love it's aesthetics.

Same here. And I was kinda thinking the p225 meant certain p239 parts would technically still in production. Oh well.

[tcba_joe]

I've never even handled one, but I wish the 225 had had a longer run. Based on it's dimensions, I don't think it's a terribly practical pistol, but I sure love it's aesthetics.

The P225s biggest draw is nostalgia. And it's not even significant nostalgia, the bulk of the buying public was introduced to the P225 in 2008-9 with the imported surplus P6s. Not like it was an popular American service pistol or Mil sidearm. It's just "an old German SIG".

Nostalgia isn't enough to sustain a significant production line from a major manufacturer. And frankly they were misguided in trying to reintroduce it: its not a practical pistol at all and had little place in the new production market.

Im glad their finally paring down their sku.
Classic series lines need to be a base model, a Legion version, and (if applicable) the military issue version.

The P320 is going to get out of hand after a while. They should probably start a "custom build" section of the website.

They have the standards, the pro series, x-series (blank and FDE), 2 Vtacs, Legion, and MHS and the list keeps growing.

[L-2]

I'd be hesitant to buy anything from SIG based on my personal fear of SIG discontinuing a model or model line; then not providing much, if any, spare parts support from then on.

Having the many different models within a product line with various SKUs seemingly constantly coming then going also provided me a lack of confidence. For the time-being, I'll keep the three SIGs I've got as they seem to be working well without breakages.

They are all 9mm:
the old model P225;
a P229R "Legacy" which has the older railed frame, short extractor, E2 grip, and which take the P228 sized 9mm mags;
a P226R with a long external extractor (the extractor didn't work 100% at first but new extractor springs fixed that issue) and E2 grip.

I'd always used Glocks for work, but some neighboring departments used SIGs and I wanted some familiarity with them, plus I could carry anything I wanted off-duty.

I considered but decided against SIG's 1911 models, MCX, MPX, and its recent optics as I just wasn't confident of longer term support and if there'd be any unforeseen problems any research didn't disclose to me. Also, SIG's products tend to cost a bit more from what I could tell. The P320 series seems to be on the right track pricing-wise, but then SIG's voluntary-upgrade to its P320 safety issue knocked any possible increase in confidence down again.

At this point in my life, I'm staying with what I've got; not looking too hard at newer guns; and keeping up with and still learning to shoot well with what I've got (Glocks, 1911s, AR15s, pump shotguns, some revolvers, those 3 SIGs and very few others.

[jnc36rcpd]

Good thinking, L-2. I was a Sig fanboy for years and wrote the proposals for my agency to transition from revolvers to the 226 and, later, to go to the .40 226. (I wasn't entirely on board with that decision, but the supposedly wiser people in the training program knew better, but wrote less well.)
I purchased a 320 as an off duty and eventual retirement weapon, but...
My cary weapon is a Glock 19. I just cannot trust SigSauer.

[RAM Engineer]

The P225s biggest draw is nostalgia. And it's not even significant nostalgia, the bulk of the buying public was introduced to the P225 in 2008-9 with the imported surplus P6s. Not like it was an popular American service pistol or Mil sidearm. It's just "an old German SIG".

I switched from a P228 to a P225 in 1999 when, during the "high capacity magazine ban", it became too much of a pain to acquire high cap magazines, and the +2 advantage a neutered 10-round mag had over the P225 wasn't worth it to me.

Biggest gun mistake I've ever made was selling those W. German P228s...

[tcba_joe]

I'd be hesitant to buy anything from SIG based on my personal fear of SIG discontinuing a model or model line; then not providing much, if any, spare parts support from then on.

Having the many different models within a product line with various SKUs seemingly constantly coming then going also provided me a lack of confidence. For the time-being, I'll keep the three SIGs I've got as they seem to be working well without breakages.

They are all 9mm:
the old model P225;
a P229R "Legacy" which has the older railed frame, short extractor, E2 grip, and which take the P228 sized 9mm mags;
a P226R with a long external extractor (the extractor didn't work 100% at first but new extractor springs fixed that issue) and E2 grip.

I'd always used Glocks for work, but some neighboring departments used SIGs and I wanted some familiarity with them, plus I could carry anything I wanted off-duty.

I considered but decided against SIG's 1911 models, MCX, MPX, and its recent optics as I just wasn't confident of longer term support and if there'd be any unforeseen problems any research didn't disclose to me. Also, SIG's products tend to cost a bit more from what I could tell. The P320 series seems to be on the right track pricing-wise, but then SIG's voluntary-upgrade to its P320 safety issue knocked any possible increase in confidence down again.

At this point in my life, I'm staying with what I've got; not looking too hard at newer guns; and keeping up with and still learning to shoot well with what I've got (Glocks, 1911s, AR15s, pump shotguns, some revolvers, those 3 SIGs and very few others.

I can understand hesitantcy over long term support. I usually hear this on relation to the 556 line, that despite poor sales it still lasted 12 years.

The P320 had a positive road ahead, although if it hadn't been selected by DHS and DoD I wouldn't be convinced of that. The MCX also seems to be doing really well as it's sales in the first couple years outpaced all the 556s ever sold and it keeps winning USSOCOM contracts as well as going well with foreign SOF. It'll never be beat the level of adoption that the AR/M4 has, but I can see it being the HK416 successor with the added advantage of civ sales.

[Bobert1035]

The P320 is going to get out of hand after a while. They should probably start a "custom build" section of the website.

This idea came up on a P&S Modcast at some point, and I think its brilliant.

Walk into your LGS, say "I want a 320". They pull out a trigger group, there you go. Then they pull out all the grip modules, so you can pick out what you want, grip wise. Then there's an array of slides compatible with your grip module, you pick what you want. Put it all together, boom, you have your own 320, without first buying a full version and then adding on.

I understand this would be challenging logistically, but dang would it be cool, and would provide sig with some data on the most commonly sold configurations.

[ratter75]

When they discontinued the P239, I knew that my time as a SIG fan was just about up.

[call_me_ski]

Did i miss seeing the 2022, or do they just not bother to list it?

No changes so it didn’t make the list.

[JTQ]

Honestly something they should have done 5 years ago, a well built plain P226 is all you need. They didn’t need 25 colored variants of the same gun. Just as long as they don’t go away completely.....
While I agree with you, it looks like SIG is dumping the "plain P22X" guns. A quick scan shows the Nitron guns are being discontinued, but if you want a Legion or gun with a red dot, you'll be fine. Admittedly, the diamond plate options are gone.

[RAM Engineer]

No changes so it didn’t make the list.

Give it until 2022...

[ccmdfd]

This idea came up on a P&S Modcast at some point, and I think its brilliant.

Walk into your LGS, say "I want a 320". They pull out a trigger group, there you go. Then they pull out all the grip modules, so you can pick out what you want, grip wise. Then there's an array of slides compatible with your grip module, you pick what you want. Put it all together, boom, you have your own 320, without first buying a full version and then adding on.

I understand this would be challenging logistically, but dang would it be cool, and would provide sig with some data on the most commonly sold configurations.

While I do admit that would be cool to be able to do that, it would make the company less money than the current state of affairs where one has to purchase several sets of slides, grips, etc in order to get the exact combo they want. Thus I doubt they will change

cc

[MGW]

HK and Sig are basically polar opposites.

HK will build what they want and can usually be counted on to be rock solid. If it isn't their customer support will make sure it does.

Sig will build anything anyone wants and can usually be counted on for it to not be rock solid and when it isn't rock solid...too bad, so sad, it isn't Sig's fault.

[Bobert1035]

While I do admit that would be cool to be able to do that, it would make the company less money than the current state of affairs where one has to purchase several sets of slides, grips, etc in order to get the exact combo they want. Thus I doubt they will change

cc

Yeah that makes total sense. Oh well

- Rob (from the Piedmont)

[John Hearne]

It's also interesting that the only full size slide P320's are 9mm's.

[Tokarev]

It's also interesting that the only full size slide P320's are 9mm's.

I saw the 4.7" 45 has been dropped. Do people still shoot 45s?

[John Hearne]

I saw the 4.7" 45 has been dropped. Do people still shoot 45s?

The 4.7" 40 S&W is gone as well.

Regarding 45, I live in fear that Sig will finally release an X-Five variation in 45 ACP. I'd go broke reversing my transition to 9mm.

[Tokarev]

The 4.7" 40 S&W is gone as well.

Regarding 45, I live in fear that Sig will finally release an X-Five variation in 45 ACP. I'd go broke reversing my transition to 9mm.I have been hoping for a 45 X grip module....

Also, if and when Unity Tactical releases the ATOM 2.0 my 45 slide will probably go off for that cut.

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[OlongJohnson]

Another set of Hogue checkered G10 P220 grips is on its way from Optics Planet to me...

[H&K]

Was hoping for an optic ready p365 non-XL

[MGW]

Another set of Hogue checkered G10 P220 grips is on its way from Optics Planet to me...

Despite my disdain for Sig’s current businesses practices I do still have a soft spot for P220’s. They are just a great shooting pistol for me.

[M2CattleCo]

I saw the 4.7" 45 has been dropped. Do people still shoot 45s?

I think they just pick up brass at the range and hoard reloading components at the house.

[WOLFIE]

Sig stopped making the P227. I wish they still made it. There are no thread holes in the frame for changing out grips, a different system is used. No worry about hurting aluminum threads. It is easier to reload than a P220 due to the tapered magazine. I also like the extended beavertail on the tacops model. And the mag release can be placed on either side of the frame. I own two and want another just because.

[OlongJohnson]

I would probably have at least two P227s if anybody, anywhere, made grips that aren't "E2" style, where the top of the grip is squeezed in like Homer choking Bart.

Not everybody who might want to shoot a .45 has tiny hands, mkay? The USP FS is what it is because for some of us big, northern Europeans and NATO-Americans, it's just right.

[Borderland]

When they discontinued the P239, I knew that my time as a SIG fan was just about up.

That was a nice pistol. Hard to find now in the used market, especially in 9MM. I've had a bunch of Sigs but they're all gone except that one.

Eventually I think Sig will abandoned all of its alloy P series pistols. No need to get caught up in that.

[Borderland]

I would probably have at least two P227s if anybody, anywhere, made grips that aren't "E2" style, where the top of the grip is squeezed in like Homer choking Bart.

Not everybody who might want to shoot a .45 has tiny hands, mkay? The USP FS is what it is because for some of us big, northern Europeans and NATO-Americans, it's just right.

Sig has me scratching my head with their E2 logic. None of the old magazines fit the E2's. Jeezus, what bone head move that was. Sig has lost it's corporate mind.

H&K will get my business in the future.

[HCM]

I would probably have at least two P227s if anybody, anywhere, made grips that aren't "E2" style, where the top of the grip is squeezed in like Homer choking Bart.

Not everybody who might want to shoot a .45 has tiny hands, mkay? The USP FS is what it is because for some of us big, northern Europeans and NATO-Americans, it's just right.


Sig has me scratching my head with their E2 logic. None of the old magazines fit the E2's. Jeezus, what bone head move that was. Sig has lost it's corporate mind.

H&K will get my business in the future.

What are you talking about ? The E2 grip has no bearing on the fit of the magazines.

Are you talking about the p229-1 frame using the .40 cal mag profile and 15 round mags ? That has nothing to do with the grips. Also the older 13 round P228 mags WILL lock in and function in a 229-1 frame they are just loose and not recommended for carry.

The E2 grip was developed to address issues raised by LE agencies who dropped or were looking to drop SIG p series guns due to issues with the grip screws. The grip screws on the P229 were notorious for coming loose and falling out. The steel screws also screw directly into the aluminum frame so end users gorilla tightening the screws easily strip them out, deadlining the whole gun.

PS. I agree with Olongjohnson thee shape and texture of he E 2 grip sucks.

[M2CattleCo]

All the E2 grips I've seen work loose after some use and there's no way to tighten them.

The P Series frame is just a mess with 1/2 the grip frame missing, part of the magwell being the grips, and bare aluminum grip screw threads.

It was designed to be a cheap throw-away gun and it's garbage day....

[runcible]

All the E2 grips I've seen work loose after some use and there's no way to tighten them.

The P Series frame is just a mess with 1/2 the grip frame missing, part of the magwell being the grips, and bare aluminum grip screw threads.

It was designed to be a cheap throw-away gun and it's garbage day....

Pardon, but could you tell us more about E2s working loose, and how to recognize that; please?

[OlongJohnson]

We get it. You have no respect for any gun that's not a 1911.

Any smith who could drill and tap for sights or a scope mount could also install Beretta or 1911 grip screw bushings in a Sig, if needed. It's not rocket surgery.

[Borderland]

What are you talking about ? The E2 grip has no bearing on the fit of the magazines.

Are you talking about the p229-1 frame using the .40 cal mag profile and 15 round mags ? That has nothing to do with the grips. Also the older 13 round P228 mags WILL lock in and function in a 229-1 frame they are just loose and not recommended for carry.

The E2 grip was developed to address issues raised by LE agencies who dropped or were looking to drop SIG p series guns due to issues with the grip screws. The grip screws on the P229 were notorious for coming loose and falling out. The steel screws also screw directly into the aluminum frame so end users gorilla tightening the screws easily strip them out, deadlining the whole gun.

PS. I agree with Olongjohnson thee shape and texture of he E 2 grip sucks.

I'm talking about 9mm. P229-1 and P229-2 use different magazines as the mag well changed. Never owned a 40 so can't comment.

[HCM]

I'm talking about 9mm. P229-1 and P229-2 use different magazines as the mag well changed. Never owned a 40 so can't comment.

The original P229 9mm uses a 9mm specific frame which only accepted P228 mags.

The P229-1 frame and the P229 .40 frame are the same frame. SIG switched to building the P229 9mm on the .40 frame to streamline production and cut costs.

There is no 229-2 frame. I believe you are confused because you are mislabeling the original 13 round P229 frame as the 229-1.

Regardless the old 13 round mags will work in the new 229-1 guns and converted .40 cal guns.

The 15 round 229-1 mags won’t work in the old 13 round guns but SIG doesn’t care. The frame switch was about them saving money by using .40 frames for everything.

[M2CattleCo]

We get it. You have no respect for any gun that's not a 1911.

Any smith who could drill and tap for sights or a scope mount could also install Beretta or 1911 grip screw bushings in a Sig, if needed. It's not rocket surgery.


Not in the slightest, but Sigs have glaring flaws and that's why the world has moved on.

[Borderland]

The original P229 9mm uses a 9mm specific frame which only accepted P228 mags.

The P229-1 frame and the P229 .40 frame are the same frame. SIG switched to building the P229 9mm on the .40 frame to streamline production and cut costs.

There is no 229-2 frame. I believe you are confused because you are mislabeling the original 13 round P229 frame as the 229-1.

Regardless the old 13 round mags will work in the new 229-1 guns and converted .40 cal guns.

The 15 round 229-1 mags won’t work in the old 13 round guns but SIG doesn’t care. The frame switch was about them saving money by using .40 frames for everything.

Probably. Evidently I'm not the only one. 8 new flavors of 229? Sounds like General Motors corporate philosophy around 1980.

I still have my 239 and I'll keep it but I've moved on.

[Jared]

Not in the slightest, but Sigs have glaring flaws and that's why the world has moved on.

There isn’t a semiautomatic pistol on the market that doesn’t have flaws. The classic P series SIGs are actually pretty darn good guns. The only DA/SA from that era that I really consider to be better are the Beretta 92s, and they do have things that break and fail also. This is coming from a dude that owns no Classic P series SIGs and a bunch of 92s. Then again, I’m pretty realistic that the pistol just isn’t the most important part of a lot of these equations.

I hate what Cohen has done to the P22x pistols, mostly because it means I can’t just go out and buy a new one anytime I like and be 90% sure it’s good to go out of the box. But to simply dismiss the entire line as suboptimal for its entire production history is pretty much missing the point. Those SIGs performed well for a lot of folks for a long time.

[CanineCombatives]

I bought my first P226 in 86, same year I bought my first 92, and ironically G17, to call it a milestone year would be a gross understatement.
When the smoke cleared (pun) the only one of the 3 I kept was the 226.

[HCM]

Not in the slightest, but Sigs have glaring flaws and that's why the world has moved on.

Nothing is perfect but the only “glaring” flaw in the SIG P series guns is SIG itself such as the declining and erratic quality control, and cost cutting changes like the long extractor being beta tested on their customers.

If you get a properly built example, the one piece slide P226 or 229 is accurate, reliable and a 100,000 round gun (or more) if appropriate maintenance is performed.

[TGS]

Not in the slightest, but Sigs have glaring flaws and that's why the world has moved on.

All the glaring flaws I know about the legacy SIG P-series are due to SIGs current inability to build them correctly, turning them into a guessing game on whether you got 1 out of 5 that will crack its frame, or whether it was assembled correctly.

I'm unaware of any "glaring" flaws with the pistols design themselves.

[Borderland]

Nothing is perfect but the only “glaring” flaw in the SIG P series guns is SIG itself such as the declining and erratic quality control, and cost cutting changes like the long extractor being beta tested on their customers.

If you get a properly built example, the one piece slide P226 or 229 is accurate, reliable and a 100,000 round gun (or more) if appropriate maintenance is performed.

That's my experience. I just sold a new 229 Classic because it just didn't shoot well. A friend of mine has a new 226 and it's exceptionally accurate. With one mag at 15 yds I had 7 rds in one hole that could be covered with a quarter. Now who wouldn't want a pistol like that? The problem is you just never know which one you will get these days. My 239 is fine but it's pretty old.

[UniSol]

Give it until 2022...

I hope Sig keeps making these. I just bought an HK P2000 using some store credit.....but there are still 2022s under the glass going for 349.99....I saw 2 being stacked up for the layaway closet while I was waiting on NICS, and thinking that I should have gone in for a 3rd 2022 instead and used the remaining credit for ammo or a threaded barrel. Such is life.

[coldcase1984]

I bought the early P229 .40 issued to me in late '96 when we switched to the railed P229 c. Mid 2000s.

My gun was fantastically smooth and accurate, and I still pack it at times off-duty.

The new ones shat the sheets so frequently over the next few years on the range we switched to G22s and G23s.

I'll likely get the 9mm conversion kit with an optic for my dotage, a dozen mags and a few parts due to the way European arms makers really drop everything when a Model goes bye bye.

[JAH 3rd]

This thread reminds me of when I learned that Ruger was going to discontinue their P-90 lineup. I never wanted one 'til they were going away. I ended up getting the stainless steel model......only one left in stock. After I ordered it, out of stock was indicated on the website. Got it in a few days later. While I am still happy I ordered it, I can sort see why it was discontinued. It is a polymer world now, like it or not. The pistol is big for an 8+1 capacity. The barrel even has the link just like the 1911.

I have had a couple of Sig 220's over the years. Ok pistols, but I never warmed up to them. But the pistol did catch my eye when it was the Browning BDA. Still think the 220 looks great, but it isn't tugging at my heart-strings.

[WOLFIE]

I would probably have at least two P227s if anybody, anywhere, made grips that aren't "E2" style, where the top of the grip is squeezed in like Homer choking Bart.

Not everybody who might want to shoot a .45 has tiny hands, mkay? The USP FS is what it is because for some of us big, northern Europeans and NATO-Americans, it's just right.

Hogue makes g10 grips for the p227. I am not sure about the top of the grip. The hogue grips (Sig factory) for the tacops model are nice.

[Duelist]

This thread reminds me of when I learned that Ruger was going to discontinue their P-90 lineup. I never wanted one 'til they were going away. I ended up getting the stainless steel model......only one left in stock. After I ordered it, out of stock was indicated on the website. Got it in a few days later. While I am still happy I ordered it, I can sort see why it was discontinued. It is a polymer world now, like it or not. The pistol is big for an 8+1 capacity. The barrel even has the link just like the 1911.

I have had a couple of Sig 220's over the years. Ok pistols, but I never warmed up to them. But the pistol did catch my eye when it was the Browning BDA. Still think the 220 looks great, but it isn't tugging at my heart-strings.

The one P90 I shot sure made me look like a better shooter than I was. Very easy to hit with.

[10mmfanboy]

I was hoping they dropped the p320 and made it a p250 again. This also solves the mystery of $400 p238 legions.

[John Hearne]

This also solves the mystery of $400 p238 legions.

A couple of years back, Sig gutted the prices on P245/P220 Compact magazines to $10. As I was loading up my cart it dawned on me what that meant.....