S&W shield ez in 9mm released

[Grouse870]

https://www.smith-wesson.com/9ez
On the heals of glocks release of a .22 Smith and Wesson comes out with a 9mm shield ez. With no fanfare or live event. Should be a interesting gun.

[serialsolver]

Oh wow, my beat up hands are looking forward to trying that.


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[APS-PF]

I think the EZ has the best feeling thumb safety of the M&P line. My 380 shoots low and replacing the sights is problematic. It looks like the 9 has dovetails front and back but I hope they are common dimensions with Shield/M&P or whatever. I'm interested.

[Lex Luthier]

I'm subscribing to this thread, too.

[Grouse870]

The sights are apparently different size than the .380 version but sights are available for the .380 so I would assume the same sights will be available for the 9mm. Mr guns and gear has a review on YouTube. It’s looks pretty good I can see a spot in my safe for this.

[BillSWPA]

Happy to see this line expanding.



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[TGS]

The reason the 380 Shield is "EZ" is because it's a locked breech pistol, which is 380 means the recoil is incredibly soft and the recoil spring is insanely weak because the only thing it needs to do is return the slide to battery, unlike a blowback 380 and locked breech 9mm which depend on the recoil spring to keep the gun from battering itself to death and/or keep the action closed until pressure has dropped.

So, I'm curious how the Shield EZ can be "EZ" in 9mm. Wouldn't it require a regular power recoil spring, as well as recoil like every other 9mm....both of which negate the entire EZ thing?

[RevolverRob]

Will it take Glock mags? :eek:

Actually, my first thought was, "Hey look, someone finally made a striker-fired 9mm 1911!"

I hope it's more reliable than the .380 guns, which seem to be hit and miss. This could be a real winner for the strength challenged and appendix carriers. A manual safety and a grip safety. When I got to holster a 1911 appendix right now, I not only ride the thumb safety, but I break (loosen) my grip to release the grip safety. I won't buy one tomorrow, but I'm going to watch this one with some intrigue, certainly more interesting than a rimfire Glock. ;)

[Grouse870]

It’s hammer fired....

[RevolverRob]

The reason the 380 Shield is "EZ" is because it's a locked breech pistol, which is 380 means the recoil is incredibly soft and the recoil spring is insanely weak because the only thing it needs to do is return the slide to battery, unlike a blowback 380 and locked breech 9mm which depend on the recoil spring to keep the gun from battering itself to death and/or keep the action closed until pressure has dropped.

So, I'm curious how the Shield EZ can be "EZ" in 9mm. Wouldn't it require a regular power recoil spring, as well as recoil like every other 9mm....both of which negate the entire EZ thing?

I'll spitball one solution -

Heavier slide.

A heavier slide, and weaker recoil spring will accomplish the same function as a lighter slide and heavier recoil spring assembly.

ETA: Since the gun is hammer fired, a heavier mainspring and/or interface of the slide and breech area can slow recoil down, not unlike a flat bottom firing pin stop on a 1911.

[RevolverRob]

It’s hammer fired....

Even better.

[TGS]

I'll spitball one solution -

Heavier slide.

A heavier slide, and weaker recoil spring will accomplish the same function as a lighter slide and heavier recoil spring assembly.

Right, but unless we're talking a Hi-Point level of heaviness, it's not going to have that effect.

There's no way the slide is as heavy as even a P226, and even a P226 needs a regular power recoil spring to operate well.

ETA: And, even if that were the case, a 9mm recoiling with a super heavy slide on a super light spring would be the opposite of "shootable" for the weak and infirm.

[Grouse870]

https://youtu.be/xdb7OuZqGWM

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/iDsJu0NZOtQ

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[camsdaddy]

I think the EZ has the best feeling thumb safety of the M&P line. My 380 shoots low and replacing the sights is problematic. It looks like the 9 has dovetails front and back but I hope they are common dimensions with Shield/M&P or whatever. I'm interested.
I would love to see that thumb safety on the standard shield.

[TheNewbie]

This is eons more exciting than Glock’s announcement.


RevolverRob is spot on about this being a great appendix option. I’m that odd guy who would like a quality thumb safety and grip safety on a regular M&P. It would be fantastic for appendix and off body carry.


My EZ shield in .380 did not work well but I have more faith in the 9mm. Only a Ruger LCP has been reliable in .380 for me.

[awp_101]

Will it take Glock mags? :eek:
Will it take an RDS?:eek::eek:

This new model is...intriguing.

[zaitcev]

A heavier slide, and weaker recoil spring will accomplish the same function as a lighter slide and heavier recoil spring assembly.
True. In addition, a striker-fired gun needs to cock the striker at the forward motion, while hammer-fired gun cocks the hammer at the rearward motion. This means that even with the same mass of the slide, the recoil spring of a hammer-fired gun can be lighter.

Also, I think that the secret sauce of racking of the 9EZ is actually "wings" at the rear of the slide. They are not evident in photographs taken from the side, but they certainly work. IIRC, HK had those on something like P30 first, but I may not remember right.

[TGS]

My EZ shield in .380 did not work well but I have more faith in the 9mm. Only a Ruger LCP has been reliable in .380 for me.

What was the issue with your Shield EZ?

Did you try the similarly sized LC380, or just the LCP?

I bought a P250 380 for my wife. It's the one with a subcompact slide mounted on a compact frame, with 15 round mags. The recoil is super light, and the slide is crazy easy to rack. We haven't run into reliability issues with it yet*, but that slide sure is sluggish and riding on what feels like the ragged edge of functionality.

*In true SIG form, the gun was assembled improperly with the firing pin canted, which resulted in light strikes as it was hitting the rollpin. No issue since I reinstalled it correctly.

[Joe in PNG]

Actually, my first thought was, "Hey look, someone finally made a striker-fired 9mm 1911!"


I would put it more as the plastic version of the 9mm Pocket Hammerless I kind of wish Colt would make.

A MOS version would be pretty sweet- I'm actually excited about this one.

[RevolverRob]

I would put it more as the plastic version of the 9mm Pocket Hammerless I kind of wish Colt would make.

Yes. Pretty much this.

I admit, I'm kind of excited about this one. From the MrGunsandGear video, the slide and frame thickness looks pretty close the M&P 2.0. I won't be surprised if they can share some holsters. What's more this is the kind of gun that would work in my stupid Cherries Deep Concealment holster, without 1) Stabbing me with a beavertail or hammer like a 1911. 2) Without giving me the willies when I go to reholster it.

My biggest complaint so far: Looks like the rear sight is the EZ380 rear sight, but the front sight might be the same as the Shield 9 dovetail. That's a bit of a bummer, if they weren't going to cut the rear for straight up M&P9 sights, they should have just gone with the bolt-on EZ380 sights, would be faster to change the sights then.

If this thing runs, I'll probably be on the hook for 2 or 3 of them. I can use them to replace Kahrs, finally retire my 3913LS, and not spend an inordinate amount of time and money trying to make an Officer's sized 1911 run.

[KevH]

I got to say I'm actually excited for this little gun.

Good job S&W listening to the consumer. I think they are likely to have a major winner on their hands here.

[Sigfan26]

It’s hammer fired....

It doesn’t appear to be...


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[scjbash]

It doesn’t appear to be...


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It has an internal hammer according to what I've read.

[Quade]

It doesn’t appear to be...


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Maybe in internal hammer like the Ruger Security 9??
That one is easy to rack as well, maybe that's why?

[Bigghoss]

It doesn’t appear to be...


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If you watch the Mr Gunz n gear video you can see the hammer when he does the field strip.



I wish they'd gone with an exposed hammer but whatever.

[Jim Watson]

Easy racking from less recoil spring and, in a hammer fired gun, less mainspring, is limited in a high pressure round like 9mm P.

I wonder if the cam track is more gradual than usual for longer locked travel.

[Borderland]

not spend an inordinate amount of time and money trying to make an Officer's sized 1911 run.

:o

[TheNewbie]

What was the issue with your Shield EZ?

Did you try the similarly sized LC380, or just the LCP?

I bought a P250 380 for my wife. It's the one with a subcompact slide mounted on a compact frame, with 15 round mags. The recoil is super light, and the slide is crazy easy to rack. We haven't run into reliability issues with it yet*, but that slide sure is sluggish and riding on what feels like the ragged edge of functionality.

*In true SIG form, the gun was assembled improperly with the firing pin canted, which resulted in light strikes as it was hitting the rollpin. No issue since I reinstalled it correctly.

Just tried the LCP. My two examples have worked flawlessly. I have not shot tons of rounds through them, but a few hundred and no issues, even when covered in pocket lint and not that well oiled.


Regarding the EZ Shield in .380.

200-225 rounds all FMJ 95grn. UMC, WWB, and Federal.

Issues with all types of ammo.

15 or so malfunctions.

Failure to pick up next round in mag
Failure to eject spent casing, leaving spent casing in chamber
Failure to feed

[Tokarev]

Also, I think that the secret sauce of racking of the 9EZ is actually "wings" at the rear of the slide. They are not evident in photographs taken from the side, but they certainly work. IIRC, HK had those on something like P30 first, but I may not remember right.

I haven't messed with a Five seveN in quite a few years but I seem to recall that gun has the wings.



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[Duelist]

True. In addition, a striker-fired gun needs to cock the striker at the forward motion, while hammer-fired gun cocks the hammer at the rearward motion. This means that even with the same mass of the slide, the recoil spring of a hammer-fired gun can be lighter.

Also, I think that the secret sauce of racking of the 9EZ is actually "wings" at the rear of the slide. They are not evident in photographs taken from the side, but they certainly work. IIRC, HK had those on something like P30 first, but I may not remember right.

VP9 was what I saw HK put wings on.

[spyderco monkey]

I haven't messed with a Five seveN in quite a few years but I seem to recall that gun has the wings.



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Yes, the Five Seven has the slide wings. I believe it was the first pistol to incorporate them. Really a bold and innovative design all around.

[TheNewbie]

I am seeing these from $360-$400 online.

[BigT]

Isn't this the bit where we complain about them launching the 380 first?

And then possibly about the mag capacity on these?

[Hambo]

https://youtu.be/xdb7OuZqGWM

The big question is at 15:45 in the video.

[BobLoblaw]

As long as you continue to thumb the back of the slide like you would with an external hammer, the trigger will still be bound up due the grip safety. Not as good as an external hammer (obviously) but still noteworthy. I'd like to know how "positive" the grip safety is and how easily a poor grip could lock up the trigger.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

I wish they'd gone with an exposed hammer but whatever.I do, too, but my guess is -- among other possible considerations -- S&W elected to avoid visible cocked-and-locked that some find off-putting.


The big question is at 15:45 in the video.For me, that question is answered by the 1911-style thumb and grip safeties. For striker or SAO, on a firearm I'll be carrying IWB day-in-and-day-out, I like these options. In fact, given that it's SAO, I'm surprised they offer it without the thumb safety.

It's good of S&W to handle the new Glock rollout in the manner I'd hoped. ;) This is much more relevant to my needs and preferences than a .22 trainer, and although not legendary, much closer to it (with zero hype) than Glock's extremely loud piddle.

Much more info'll roll in soon enough, I'm sure, but I'd love to know what if any passive safeties the 9EZ employs: inertial firing pin; firing pin block; etc.?

[TheNewbie]

I do, too, but my guess is -- among other possible considerations -- S&W elected to avoid visible cocked-and-locked that some find off-putting.

For me, that question is answered by the 1911-style thumb and grip safeties. For striker or SAO, on a firearm I'll be carrying IWB day-in-and-day-out, I like these options. In fact, given that it's SAO, I'm surprised they offer it without the thumb safety.

It's good of S&W to handle the new Glock rollout in the manner I'd hoped. ;) This is much more relevant to my needs and preferences than a .22 trainer, and although not legendary, much closer to it (with zero hype) than Glock's extremely loud piddle.

Much more info'll roll in soon enough, I'm sure, but I'd love to know what if any passive safeties the 9EZ employs: inertial firing pin; firing pin block; etc.?


I read a post on another forum that the grip safety activates the firing pin block.


Would this have the potential issue that 1911s with this type of firing pin block have?

[RevolverRob]

Would this have the potential issue that 1911s with this type of firing pin block have?

What is the issue you're thinking of in this regard? Like a failure-to-fire where you depress the grip safety enough to allow the trigger to release the hammer, but not depress the firing pin block?

It's hard to know, without looking at the internals how much depression it takes on the grip safety to release the trigger vs. firing pin block.

I guess my response to this is - the reverse hinged form of the grip safety found on the EZ generally deactivates cleanly and totally if it's not sprung so hard you have to grip the shit out of the gun to deactivate it (like you do on a 1908 Vest Pocket Colt).

Seems like folks are not having grip-safety issues with the EZ380 and it doesn't look like much has changed (if any) for the EZ9 in that department.

[TheNewbie]

What is the issue you're thinking of in this regard? Like a failure-to-fire where you depress the grip safety enough to allow the trigger to release the hammer, but not depress the firing pin block?

It's hard to know, without looking at the internals how much depression it takes on the grip safety to release the trigger vs. firing pin block.

I guess my response to this is - the reverse hinged form of the grip safety found on the EZ generally deactivates cleanly and totally if it's not sprung so hard you have to grip the shit out of the gun to deactivate it (like you do on a 1908 Vest Pocket Colt).

Seems like folks are not having grip-safety issues with the EZ380 and it doesn't look like much has changed (if any) for the EZ9 in that department.


Like a Swartz (sp?) system.

You have a good point, it’s not really an issue. Just more of my curious mind wandering and wondering.

[KevH]

Like a Swartz (sp?) system.

You have a good point, it’s not really an issue. Just more of my curious mind wandering and wondering.

The Swartz system works just fine when it is timed correctly. Issues develop when it is not.

I haven't paid too close of attention to grip-safety related issues with the EZ 380, but I can't remember hearing any. I have a feeling it is likely not going to be an issue with these guns. I'm thinking I'll try to pick one of these up early spring once they've been out for a few months.

[kwb377]

Yes, the Five Seven has the slide wings. I believe it was the first pistol to incorporate them. Really a bold and innovative design all around.

I was carrying a pistol with slide wings a coupe of decades before the Five-seveN came out. :D

[Polecat]

I got one out of curiosity. Same height and length as the 3.6, just a tad slimmer. While it works fine, I don’t like the way they put the rear sight screw under the rear slide-weird and different. Really not digging the grip safety.

[beenalongtime]

I wish it would have had an external hammer, something to compete with the XDE.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

...I'd love to know what if any passive safeties the 9EZ employs: inertial firing pin; firing pin block; etc.?


I read a post on another forum that the grip safety activates the firing pin block...Alien Gear reviewed the 9 EZ (didn't know they did reviews) and state it has a firing pin block. Presume it's timed to the grip safety, but still unconfirmed.

https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/smith-and-wesson-m-p9-shield-ez-review/

Lotta chat on the forums about this gun, many preferring the non thumb safety version; would these folks carry a cocked-and-locked 1911 with the thumb safety off, or without one at all?

[Bigghoss]

Lotta chat on the forums about this gun, many preferring the non thumb safety version; would these folks carry a cocked-and-locked 1911 with the thumb safety off, or without one at all?

Probably... :(

[RevolverRob]

I got one out of curiosity. Same height and length as the 3.6, just a tad slimmer. While it works fine, I don’t like the way they put the rear sight screw under the rear slide-weird and different. Really not digging the grip safety.

Why not?


I wish it would have had an external hammer, something to compete with the XDE.

I prefer the internal hammer, actually. I don't ride the hammer on a 1911 into the holster, anyways, instead opting to ride the thumb safety and loosen my grip, to release the grip safety, once the gun starts into the holster. The reason I prefer the internal hammer is, I've never had any portion of a gun get dirtier from regular carry than the area of an exposed hammer. Sure, I blow the gun off and clean it, but still.



Lotta chat on the forums about this gun, many preferring the non thumb safety version; would these folks carry a cocked-and-locked 1911 with the thumb safety off, or without one at all?

Man, I don't even worry about what dudes on Smith and Wesson Forum of Glock Talk think is a smart thing to do. I'm not convinced some of those guys could have ideas if they rubbed two brain cells together.

[TheNewbie]

I got one out of curiosity. Same height and length as the 3.6, just a tad slimmer. While it works fine, I don’t like the way they put the rear sight screw under the rear slide-weird and different. Really not digging the grip safety.


Are you having issues with the grip safety?

[sparkyv]

When will this 9mm EZ be on the market?

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

When will this 9mm EZ be on the market?A few days ago. ;)

[sparkyv]

A few days ago. ;)

I did an online search and didn't see it as available. Where can it be had, Wingate's Hairbrush?

[TheNewbie]

I did an online search and didn't see it as available. Where can it be had, Wingate's Hairbrush?

Look for it on gun.deals .

[idahojess]

I did an online search and didn't see it as available. Where can it be had, Wingate's Hairbrush?

Palmetto has them in stock for $399 -- click on the shop at Palmetto State Armory link up top.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

I did an online search and didn't see it as available. Where can it be had, Wingate's Hairbrush?https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/022188879216

So, anyone running the .380 EZ and can comment on how robust it is for a heavier shooting schedule? If we can extrapolate, I'm curious if the 9mm version is built to be practiced with regularly, put through a training day or two a years, etc. -- essentially, things we know most quality plastic guns are built to do because they're intended to be service weapons.

[sparkyv]

Look for it on gun.deals .

My Dad picked one up this morning! :cool:
He said the slide is easy to rack and the mags as easy as 22 mags to load. I hope it functions well. It'll be a few days for the weather to clear before he can get out to the range.

[Chuck Whitlock]

When will this 9mm EZ be on the market?

Handled one at the LGS a few days ago.

[TheNewbie]

Handled one at the LGS a few days ago.

How did you like it?

[Chuck Whitlock]

How did you like it?

It felt decent. The safety was much improved over the regular Shield.

[willie]

Handled one at lgs. My guess is that recoil spring is variable power type as opposed to conventional. Wolff Springs sells both and explains the difference.

[KG]

I own both a 380 and a 9mm EZ. Both have thumb safeties.

I bought the 380 EZ when they were first released. I have a family member with arthritis. The 380 EZ has been perfect for her. All of the friends/family we have brought to the range enjoy shooting this pistol better than any other firearm we own. I have about 1500 rounds through it - 100% reliable with a wide variety of FMJ and HP. 95 grain Speer TMJ #53608 easily shoots the best. Chris Baker from Lucky Gunner also said that the 95 grain Speer worked well in his 380. I recommend watching his video if you are interested in this pistol. The thumb safety is easy to use. My only complaint is that it shoots just a bit low with the factory sights. Looking forward to more aftermarket support.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/smith-wesson-mp-380-shield-ez-review/

I bought a 9mm EZ as soon as they were released. I have about 200 rounds of various 115, 124, and 147 grain through mine with no problems. Accuracy was about the same as the 380. Shoots just a bit low. 9mm makes ammo a lot less complicated and less expensive for me, but I think you lose a lot if the “EZ” part is important to you. The 9mm is, of course, a bit heavier, a bit harder to manipulate, and a bit snappier in recoil.

Here’s my opinion - in my circumstances the ease of using the 380 is more important than convenience, cost, and ammo choices available when using 9mm. My interest in the EZ series is purely because I was looking for a pistol that is easy for someone with physical limitations to shoot. It has also turned out to be a fantastic pistol for new or younger shooters. So, for me, the 380 EZ hits a sweet spot and meets my needs than the 9mm EZ. Which caliber all depends on your priorities.

[Polecat]

Bought one and I am underwhelmed. Heavy for what it is. Easy to load, rack and shoot, accurate and reliable. Do not like grip safety, as I actually had to adjust my grip when trying some draws, so dealbreaker right there. It is same size height and length as a 3.6 compact my dealer had for comparison, not as thick as the compact, but thicker than the shield. Should have been shield width with shield style smaller safety and no grip safety.

[TheNewbie]

Bought one and I am underwhelmed. Heavy for what it is. Easy to load, rack and shoot, accurate and reliable. Do not like grip safety, as I actually had to adjust my grip when trying some draws, so dealbreaker right there. It is same size height and length as a 3.6 compact my dealer had for comparison, not as thick as the compact, but thicker than the shield. Should have been shield width with shield style smaller safety and no grip safety.


Did you have a difficult time engaging the grip safety?

[Chuck Whitlock]

Bought one and I am underwhelmed. Heavy for what it is. Easy to load, rack and shoot, accurate and reliable. Do not like grip safety, as I actually had to adjust my grip when trying some draws, so dealbreaker right there. It is same size height and length as a 3.6 compact my dealer had for comparison, not as thick as the compact, but thicker than the shield. Should have been shield width with shield style smaller safety and no grip safety.

Then it's just a Shield.

[willie]

Without field stripping the EZ, I will guess that the engineers increased dwell time. By extending the time that the barrel and slide remain together before unlocking and by allowing this unit of barrel and slide to move farther rearward as one, slide velocity is slowed down. Then variable power recoil springs would permit retracting the slide to be easier at the beginning of this trip.

[KG]

Without field stripping the EZ, I will guess that the engineers increased dwell time. By extending the time that the barrel and slide remain together before unlocking and by allowing this unit of barrel and slide to move farther rearward as one, slide velocity is slowed down. Then variable power recoil springs would permit retracting the slide to be easier at the beginning of this trip.

Does this help? I’m not sure what the different shape barrel lug accomplishes from an engineering/dwell time point of view. Tom_Jones any ideas?

The 9mm is on top, 380 on the bottom.

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[willie]

Bar Sto Precision's the late Irv Stone showed Ruger how to redesign the barrel lug on Ruger's first 9mm offering in order to increase dwell time. Ruger was not satisfied with the pistol's accuracy. Let me jump up and confess that I am repeating an event that I read about. I think that lug shape is a variable for dwell time.

Off the top of my head, l say let's ask MAS's opinion. He followed the development of the first Ruger 9mm. He knew Irv Stone. He is cognizant of design. Hopefully he will appear as does Batman when you need him.

[Lex Luthier]

I own both a 380 and a 9mm EZ. Both have thumb safeties.

I bought the 380 EZ when they were first released. I have a family member with arthritis. The 380 EZ has been perfect for her. All of the friends/family we have brought to the range enjoy shooting this pistol better than any other firearm we own. I have about 1500 rounds through it - 100% reliable with a wide variety of FMJ and HP. 95 grain Speer TMJ #53608 easily shoots the best. Chris Baker from Lucky Gunner also said that the 95 grain Speer worked well in his 380. I recommend watching his video if you are interested in this pistol. The thumb safety is easy to use. My only complaint is that it shoots just a bit low with the factory sights. Looking forward to more aftermarket support.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/smith-wesson-mp-380-shield-ez-review/

I bought a 9mm EZ as soon as they were released. I have about 200 rounds of various 115, 124, and 147 grain through mine with no problems. Accuracy was about the same as the 380. Shoots just a bit low. 9mm makes ammo a lot less complicated and less expensive for me, but I think you lose a lot if the “EZ” part is important to you. The 9mm is, of course, a bit heavier, a bit harder to manipulate, and a bit snappier in recoil.

Here’s my opinion - in my circumstances the ease of using the 380 is more important than convenience, cost, and ammo choices available when using 9mm. My interest in the EZ series is purely because I was looking for a pistol that is easy for someone with physical limitations to shoot. It has also turned out to be a fantastic pistol for new or younger shooters. So, for me, the 380 EZ hits a sweet spot and meets my needs than the 9mm EZ. Which caliber all depends on your priorities.

This is a very useful bit of data for me personally. Thank you for posting it.

[HCM]

Bought one and I am underwhelmed. Heavy for what it is. Easy to load, rack and shoot, accurate and reliable. Do not like grip safety, as I actually had to adjust my grip when trying some draws, so dealbreaker right there. It is same size height and length as a 3.6 compact my dealer had for comparison, not as thick as the compact, but thicker than the shield. Should have been shield width with shield style smaller safety and no grip safety.

The shield should be offered with the safety from the shield EZ. The nub that passes for a manual safety on the standard Shield is useless.

[HCM]

Bar Sto Precision's the late Irv Stone showed Ruger how to redesign the barrel lug on Ruger's first 9mm offering in order to increase dwell time. Ruger was not satisfied with the pistol's accuracy. Let me jump up and confess that I am repeating an event that I read about. I think that lug shape is a variable for dwell time.

Off the top of my head, l say let's ask MAS's opinion. He followed the development of the first Ruger 9mm. He knew Irv Stone. He is cognizant of design. Hopefully he will appear as does Batman when you need him.

If you want Batman you need to send up the bat signal. Mas

[Mas]

A couple of you guys have damn good memories.

When the Ruger P85 came out, I got a couple of the first ones. Reliability was first rate but accuracy was mediocre and the safety/decock lever was too small to be easily operated.

I brought the test gun to one of the great gunsmiths, Nolan Santy in Bow, NH. He created a much more ergonomic safety/decock lever. I then sent the gun to Irv Stone for a Bar-Sto barrel. Irv told me he liked the results so much he bought a P85 of his own and built a barrel for it, too.

I was friends with Bill Ruger, Sr. and lived within an hour of his NH factory and home. I took the gun over there and left it with him for a while. He contacted Irv Stone, and later told me that Irv's advice had greatly improved the accuracy of subsequent pistols. He also put a more ergonomic safety/decock lever on his subsequent TDA models, the P89, P90, etc.

As to the matter of the lug shape's effect on dwell time, I can't answer that. It's not something I recall coming up in discussion with either Bill or Irv. Sorry I couldn't be more help on this.

[jeep45238]

Anybody put some time in behind the trigger and have more developed thoughts on it after the initial "it's awesome or it sucks" period?

[MichaelOrick]

My sister and me.

She has had the EZ 380 and 9 for about a year, uses them in the classes she teaches. She and the students love them. I like it too. I don't need a gun to be EZer, but I like that it is.

We see mostly regular people, not gun people. A lot of them are people who are going to OBC this. Or stick it in a pocket, glove box or console. Or carry chamber empty. No matter what she or anybody else tells them.

They have been reliable and trouble free so far, and no problems with the grip safety and lots of different people using them.