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JHC
11-26-2019, 09:56 AM
I’ve been out shooting four times in recent weeks in temperatures that made my bare hands uncomfortable; ranging from 28 to 35 degrees. I have been told and found it to be credible and match my experience, that in cold weather the skins pores contract and this makes our skin “slicker” and in the case of our hands, slicker hands makes gripping more challenging.

As it relates to pistol shooting I’ve slowly connected the dots on this phenom as it relates to shooting different pistols. I say slowly because after two cold hand sessions I was flummoxed and frustrated by my hits with the 43X. Then I started paying attention to shooting other sizes of pistol.

I’m as big of a geeked out fan of the 43X as anybody but I’ve found this gun to be much more challenging to run effectively with cold hands. The gun takes some stout gripping and you can tell how much harder that is to do when the hands get uncomfortably cold. The net effect were below average hits for slow fire precision and a lot more difficulty managing recoil in rapid strings of fire with resulting poorer hitting than I’d come to expect.

I found that moving back up in size to standard frame Glocks, in my comparisons, my RTF2 G17, RTF2 G19 and Gen 4 G26 reduced the degree of degradation significantly, down to just a small noticeable degree.

I found my shooting performance with my CQB to be largely unaffected whether for groups or on drills.

I also have been shooting a bit with gloves during these sessions but due to the “mildly” cold temps, just with a pair of Outdoor Research hot weather gloves which are quite thin. My previous experience shooting with gloves was generally matched in that there was some degradation of performance shooting the slimline and standard frame Glocks which generally tracked in degree of degradation with the cold bare handed shooting already mentioned.

I was surprised to find that my performance shooting the CQB gloved (light gloved) was barely affected. Some gunhandling was slowed a bit, like hitting the slide lock reload slide stop with dominant hand thumb; that got a little cludgy. And I was a bit more deliberate in the draw mechanics adjusting to the change in tactile senses but I felt solid and the marksmanship wasn’t really affected. Probably not much of a surprise given the heavy gun with a super trigger characteristics but there it is.

The biggest surprise for me was how much harder shooting the slimline gun was with stinging cold hands vs the bigger guns.

GJM

GJM
11-26-2019, 10:27 AM
JHC, perfect seasonal timing for this thread!

When I moved to Alaska in 2002, I was primarily a 1911 shooter. The first winter educated me about below zero temps, big gloves and fine controls. That is when I started carrying a USP Compact 45 with a LEM trigger.

JHC
11-26-2019, 11:29 AM
JHC, perfect seasonal timing for this thread!

When I moved to Alaska in 2002, I was primarily a 1911 shooter. The first winter educated me about below zero temps, big gloves and fine controls. That is when I started carrying a USP Compact 45 with a LEM trigger.

Frozen hands! REAL cold weather gloves is another animal!

I'm sort of surprised the thinner grip was the hardest to manage. It might not be thinness but the recoil impulse although I didn't think the .45 from a 1911 was so tough.

BN
11-26-2019, 03:50 PM
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GJM
11-26-2019, 03:56 PM
Depending upon how cold, and the circumstances, an issue for me is losing strength and dexterity in my hands. All things considered, the larger the pistol, the smaller the caliber, the larger the trigger guard, the longer the trigger and the absence of controls are helpful. At some point, a long gun is a better option as there is more to hold onto and less relative recoil. I often layer gloves with a thin shooting glove under a heavier mitten that can be tossed like fighting hockey players do. A warmer pistol may be easier to operate than an externally worn one that is cold soaked.

Clusterfrack
11-26-2019, 03:58 PM
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M2CattleCo
11-30-2019, 04:18 PM
I train in the hottest sweatiest conditions and have found the single stack 43 to be extremely challenging to shoot and handle with slick, sweaty hands.

I was overly excited about the single stacks myself, but I just don't think there's enough mass there for grown man hands to handle, or to absorb the recoil of duty powered ammo.

I'm still carrying a 17K...

rdtompki
12-02-2019, 11:00 AM
I'm working on this same issue practicing steel challenge in the low 30's. I've changed grips on my 9mm 1911 to the most aggressive VZ's I own, added grip shims to provide more area for my weak hand palm and tried a few different gloves. Thin work gloves provide some warmth, but are just as slick as my dry, 75 y/o palms. At the end of a 3+ hour session I'm (almost) wishing for a plastic gun. I do see this as an opportunity to improve my concentration and form; seems I'm not creating the right tension in my support arm which promotes my grip slipping in these adverse conditions. It's the price of freedom having moved from CA to ID.

JHC
12-02-2019, 11:19 AM
Saturday I was shooting in mild temps (mid 50's) and the day and night difference was dramatic for the 43X shooting which returned to my version of superlative.

karmapolice
12-02-2019, 08:34 PM
I'm sure that TYR one is nice but I prefer the $39.99 Cabelas one, I've used it at work mutipletimes and classes. Throw some hand warmers in the zipper pouch for extra warmth.

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Cory
12-02-2019, 09:00 PM
A number of years ago in NYS at 15ish degrees to check sights on a Glock 17 Gen4. I wore gloves when I could during sight adjustment and mag loading, but no gloves while shooting.

After around an hour and a half I absolutely could not feel my fingers. I found that being familiar with a proper trigger press meant I could perform it even when I couldn't feel it. My grip was more difficult to maintain. I found my support regripping.

Overall, my shooting suffered after the shivering started. Hits got worse, sight picture became more difficult and I started trying to shoot when it looked perfect... the trigger fell apart as well.

Personally, I know that when my fingers turn that shade of red/pink that gives that pins and needles feeling I need to be shooting something with a larger margin of error.

At that time my ability wasn't as high as I imagined. None the less serious cold (borderline injury induced by foolishness) hurt my groupings. Mostly by grip and shivers.

Of course I live in Florida now. So that's not much of a problem.

-Cory

GAP
12-06-2019, 10:28 AM
Frozen hands! REAL cold weather gloves is another animal!

I'm sort of surprised the thinner grip was the hardest to manage. It might not be thinness but the recoil impulse although I didn't think the .45 from a 1911 was so tough.

I have to agree that even my Glock 26s with a two-finger grip is easy to manage in the cold weather. The thicker grip just fills the hand better and creates more leverage. You many wish to grab a muff and toss a hot hand pack or two in there.

15 yard Bill Drills and Target transitions went just fine today.

45606

JHC
12-06-2019, 03:44 PM
I have to agree that even my Glock 26s with a two-finger grip is easy to manage in the cold weather. The thicker grip just fills the hand better and creates more leverage. You many wish to grab a muff and toss a hot hand pack or two in there.

15 yard Bill Drills and Target transitions went just fine today.

45606

I've dealt with it primarily EDC'ing my CQB during this fleece or flannel shirt season. Lovin' that.