Rimfire rifle for girlfriend

[Nephrology]

So my girlfriend has expressed an interest in buying a rifle. Specifically, a .22. She is very into lite prepping and wants a rifle that would be fun to learn the basics of marksmanship with, but also would be practical for taking small game. Planning on buying this for her as an Xmas gift.

No real preference on semi vs. bolt. Would prefer a traditional looking rifle (ie. wood stock or similar). I want this to be her gun, so something that is reasonably user friendly to field strip would be a plus (bolt guns have appeal here).

Currently looking at the 10/22 and the CZ 457 Rimfire series. Any other suggestions? Also will probably want some kind of reasonably inexpensive optic to go with this - not sure about scope vs. red dot, but open to suggestions.

The last rimfire rifle I owned was a Marlin Model 60 that was a massive POS that I literally gave away, so I have no experience in this regard whatsoever. All advice is appreciated. thanks!

[Bergeron]

It sounds like you're on a great track, either of those rifles can be whatever you want them to be, and are of high quality.

I had an ex who was taken with the little Browning rifle, but she was really into stuff like nickel plating, engraving, and nice wood.

For hunting, I'd lean towards one of the smaller, lighter 1-X variables. A threaded barrel would give you suppressor capability down the road.

[rd62]

Can't go wrong with a 10/22 and I'll be picking up a CZ 455 for my son in another year or two. I thinks its a coin toss or just preference for auto or bolt. Wither would serve your purposes well.

[OlongJohnson]

10/22 is the easy button, and can't really criticize it.

I tried an inexpensive Savage. Making it not a POS cost more than buying a CZ. I now have too many CZ rimfire rifles.

The CZ I'm messing around with right now is a 512 Carbine. 16.5-in threaded barrel, iron sights, lousy trigger. Still like it. Newer ones are better. If you get a 512, you want one with one recoil spring and that allows you to run the bolt all the way back with the safety on. If you go the CZ route, I have been down around all the circles on scope mounting options and can help.

The rabbit hole is over at rimfirecentral.com. Of course, everyone there thinks their preferred brand is the best... But some of them are pretty knowledgeable.

[Guerrero]

Thompson/Center T/CR22, an improved 10/22

[fatdog]

We picked up one of the Henry rimfire lever guns a few years ago. It has been a stellar performer and hits that blued steel and wood profile. Quite fun to shoot and a good trainer for several ladies in my family who have access to the larger lever guns for any "serious social purposes".

[BN]

10-22 would be my first choice. There are a million options with after market stuff. CZ would be a close second. Probably come down to semi auto vs. bolt.

For a scope you might look into a low powered variable. I have an older Weaver 1-3 on a 10-22 and the kids love it.

[STI]

Sounds like a great trade ...

[farscott]

The light weight and length of pull of the Tactical Solutions X-Ring rifle with the Hogue Overmolded stock make them extremely friendly to small-stature people. We have two, one in olive green and one in pink, both wearing Leupold scopes (green has a 4X and pink and a 8x). I suggest shopping the various gun fora and finding one used.

[Wheeler]

Thompson/Center T/CR22, an improved 10/22

I’ve been quite impressed with the TCR22. I have the original version with the stripped down Magpul Hunter stock. It’s a great little setup and has run quite well for me. I even did a write up on it if anyone is interested in my actual experiences.


http://wheeler686.blogspot.com/2018/08/thompson-center-tcr22-overview.html?m=1

They now have multiple variants with different barrel profiles and stocks.

[BehindBlueI's]

With the understanding that I claim no expertise or wide base of knowledge, I like my Savage .22s. The Savage Accu-trigger is quite nice.

For a real purdy wood stock, maybe: https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=70210 ?

[JHC]

So my girlfriend has expressed an interest in buying a rifle. Specifically, a .22. She is very into lite prepping and wants a rifle that would be fun to learn the basics of marksmanship with, but also would be practical for taking small game. Planning on buying this for her as an Xmas gift.

No real preference on semi vs. bolt. Would prefer a traditional looking rifle (ie. wood stock or similar). I want this to be her gun, so something that is reasonably user friendly to field strip would be a plus (bolt guns have appeal here).

Currently looking at the 10/22 and the CZ 457 Rimfire series. Any other suggestions? Also will probably want some kind of reasonably inexpensive optic to go with this - not sure about scope vs. red dot, but open to suggestions.

The last rimfire rifle I owned was a Marlin Model 60 that was a massive POS that I literally gave away, so I have no experience in this regard whatsoever. All advice is appreciated. thanks!

Oh boy I just bought a 10/22. The Compact model. Youth length 12.5" stock and 16" barrel. $240 @ my LGS. Fiber optic iron sights and synthetic stock. It weighs just over 4 lbs!

Out of the box perfectly zeroed for 40 gr at 25 yards. What's up with that? A 62 year first! Good trigger too.

It's a screaming riot to shoot.I can't wait to have my wife and DILs shoot it.

[Totem Polar]

The 10/22 is solid; I have a couple myself. I’m quite fond of the takedown version (with 2-7 Leupold) that I can trot around in a copper basin backpack designed for covert carry. Cheap, greasy spycraft fun.

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/21149.jpg

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31138/detail/1.jpg

(The above version has contrasting fiber optic sights, and the clever stock holds 3 extra rotary mags—it comes with a total of 4 rotary 10-rounders. Again, turnkey.)


A good second choice to throw into the mix for the quaisi-heirloom vibe is the Henry "small game carbine" in .22LR. Great looks, fit and finish, with the octagon barrel and medium-large loop lever, and it comes with a cool peep sight as standard. GTG for levergun fun right out of the box (carbine on bottom).

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/henry-small-game-carbine-rifle/

https://assets.henryusa.com/uploads/rifles/H001TRP-and-TLP-Hero-1.jpg

For full-on prep lite goodness, one could get the above lever in .22mag instead, and pop the rear sight off the receiver and bolt on the optic of choice, and be insta-survivor, no problem, although the ammo is more expensive; squarely in 9mm territory. JMO. Lots of cool options.


ETA: I forgot to address the optic; check out this thread, wherein I received typically solid P-F advice on the subject. I couldn’t be happier with the Leupy that LL recommended...)

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?36947-Help-me-pick-a-fixed-power-rimfire-scope-for-my-10-22

[JHC]

The 10/22 is solid; I have a couple myself. I’m quite fond of the takedown version (with 2-7 Leupold) that I can trot around in a copper basin backpack designed for covert carry. Cheap, greasy spycraft fun.

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/21149.jpg

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31138/detail/1.jpg

(The above version has contrasting fiber optic sights, and the clever stock holds 3 extra rotary mags—it cones with a total of 4 rotary 10-rounders. Again, turnkey.)


A good second choice to throw into the mix for the quaisi-heirloom vibe is the Henry "small game carbine" in .22LR. Great looks, fit and finish, with the octagon barrel and medium-large loop lever, and it comes with a cool peep sight as standard. GTG for levergun fun right out of the box (carbine on bottom).

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/henry-small-game-carbine-rifle/

https://assets.henryusa.com/uploads/rifles/H001TRP-and-TLP-Hero-1.jpg

For full-on prep lite goodness, one could get the above lever in .22mag instead, and pop the rear sight off the receiver and bolt on the optic of choice, and be insta-survivor, no problem, although the ammo is more expensive; squarely in 9mm territory. JMO. Lots of cool options.

How does your take down handle holding zero?

[ACP230]

Got several .22 rifles hanging around here.

The ones I shoot most are the 10/22s, a Ruger bolt 77/22, and
a Marlin 39A. The Rugers are scoped and the Marlin lever rifle has
a peep sight. Hard to go wrong with any of those.

[Totem Polar]

How does your take down handle holding zero?

Surprisingly well. I would go so far as to say that I am less consistent range trip-to-range trip than the zero. A better shooter with better eyes and/or a longer range could differ. No issues with minute-of-soda can that I’ve found, either.

[Nephrology]

The 10/22 is solid; I have a couple myself. I’m quite fond of the takedown version (with 2-7 Leupold) that I can trot around in a copper basin backpack designed for covert carry. Cheap, greasy spycraft fun.

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/21149.jpg

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31138/detail/1.jpg

(The above version has contrasting fiber optic sights, and the clever stock holds 3 extra rotary mags—it comes with a total of 4 rotary 10-rounders. Again, turnkey.)

Re: 10/22s, is there anything I need to know about older models? Purely for economic reasons the 10/22 is very appealing. Lots of used ones in the $100-200 range. Any vintages that are good/bad?

[CCT125US]

Savage MKII FVSR is silly inexpensive compared to its capabilities.

45148

Also very hard to go wrong with a 10/22, we have the pistol takedown version. The rifle length TD may appeal to the prep side of things.

45149

[OlongJohnson]

ETA: I forgot to address the optic; check out this thread, wherein I received typically solid P-F advice on the subject. I couldn’t be happier with the Leupy that LL recommended...)

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?36947-Help-me-pick-a-fixed-power-rimfire-scope-for-my-10-22

If you can find one, these are nice, too.

https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rimfire-scopes/vx-1-rimfire-2-7x28mm

Been out of production for a few years. I have one on the way for my 512.

[OlongJohnson]

Savage MKII FVSR is silly inexpensive compared to its capabilities.

That's the one Savage I have.

[BN]

Re: 10/22s, is there anything I need to know about older models? Purely for economic reasons the 10/22 is very appealing. Lots of used ones in the $100-200 range. Any vintages that are good/bad?

Lots of good info here. Just remember that it's not Pistol Forum. ;) You have to sort through the info. I think it is individual rifle rather than vintage. I hear that Ruger CS is good. You can find brand new for around $200.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

CZ info here. https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

[Nephrology]

also - What's the word on the Ruger American .22LRs?

[Totem Polar]

Re: 10/22s, is there anything I need to know about older models? Purely for economic reasons the 10/22 is very appealing. Lots of used ones in the $100-200 range. Any vintages that are good/bad?

I simply don’t know enough about the 10/22 world—which is seriously extensive—to be able to voice an opinion. I can say that there is a spread of well over 20 years between my takedown (last year) and my folding stock version—bought well-used over a decade ago. Both run well. More electronic ink has been spilled over the 10/22 in enthusiast forums than any gun this side of the 1911 or AR, with the benefit that people often run 1000s of rounds through their 10/22 before writing, so there is that. Only caveat I’ve seen is to use decent (copper coated) ammo; I guess the cheap lead nose can foul things up as the round count increases.

Honestly, while I’m sort of all horny for that small game in .22mag, if I didn’t already have a variety of inherited old .22LRs—and a couple of 10/22s—I wouldn’t buy anything other than a 10/22 first. Get one for each of you while you can. My 10/22s (and my almost century-old Browning takedown, too) are now "assault weapons" in my state, with registration and training hoops to jump through. Stacking up 4 Rugers, and an ammo box full of the hyper-proven rotary magazines is not a bad idea these days. If you need more motivation to start collecting, scope out the price of a 5k brick of even the decent ammo. Coming from a centerfire pistol perspective, it’s like free entertainment. I’ve spent more on dinner on occasion than a 5k brick of ammo costs. Plus, appleseed shoots... :D

https://appleseedinfo.org/

https://blog.gunassociation.org/tips-to-keep-your-ruger-1022-running-like-a-top/

[littlejerry]

10/22 and CZ are great options. My CZ bolt actions are my favorite rifles. I have tens of thousands of rounds on a 452 Lux with iron sights. I really learned how to actually shoot on that rifle. Bought it when I was in college, went to 2 Appleseed events with it, scored rifleman both times. Took countless squirrels in the woods. Always reach for it when I need to do some recreational plinking.

My wife is pretty small stature. About 90 lbs and just under 5ft. She vastly prefers shooting the M&P 15-22 because the LOP is so short with the stock fully collapsed. She also hates working bolts. She doesn't mind levers as much.

[OlongJohnson]

Reminds me...

If your girlfriend is short, check out the CZ Scout. It's the youth model, and a 16-inch-ish barrel. In the 452/455, it has just one stock screw, but can be installed in an adult stock as well. Generally sells for less.

[Wheeler]

also - What's the word on the Ruger American .22LRs?

I have one. I acquired it because I was rather heavily invested in 10/22 magazines already. It's a decent budget rifle that can be turned into a legitimate PRS style rifle with some chamber work and a better chassis. I can consistently beat a 6" steel plate with it from 100 yards. Not stellar shooting but adequate for most purposes. I managed to get some sub 2" groups with it using CCI standards at 100 yards as well.

I scored a CZ 455 Standard a few months after I got the American for $200. It is no more or less capable in my hands than the American but it's more pleasant to shoot. I ran the 6" gong at 100 yards with open sights and was pretty consistently ringing it 8-9 shots out of 10. It was boring to load up two 25 round magazines and hit the plate 50 times for fifty shots, time and time again. I've yet to find the "right ammo" to shoot impressive groups at 100 yards with it but I can own any small game or varmint within 50 yards.

The main reason I bring up the CZ is there is actually more after market support for the CZ bolt actions over the Ruger bolt actions, should your interests lead you in that direction.

[jandbj]

Reminds me...

If your girlfriend is short, check out the CZ Scout. It's the youth model, and a 16-inch-ish barrel. In the 452/455, it has just one stock screw, but can be installed in an adult stock as well. Generally sells for less.

CZ Scout and/or 10/22 youth are both excellent choices! Each provides more accuracy and entertainment than you’d expect for the $ expended. A lifetime of fun in the shape of a gun box under the tree. For either gun, a budget priced red dot or Leupold variable is all you need for either whenever you decide for something other than the great iron sights on em. A case of CCI SV completes the package.

Might as well start the paperwork for a rimfire can now too. :cool:

[Totem Polar]

Most recent add to the ruger site:

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/specSheets/31143.html

I’m generally not a fan of "packages," but the Ruger 10/22 (and many Talo or Lipsey offerings) are an exception. At $399 full retail, this exact rig should be easily had in hand for 350 OTD.

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31143/detail/2.jpg

Don’tcha love how eager P-F is to spend your money?

:D

[BobM]

also - What's the word on the Ruger American .22LRs?

I have one each American Rimfire compacts on 22 lr and magnum. The magnum has a Leupold 2-7 Rimfire. Both are threaded. I’m very happy with them. I also have two 10/22 Compacts and recently acquired a 10/22 Backpacker. Any of those would be good choices.

[Nephrology]

Most recent add to the ruger site:

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/specSheets/31143.html

I’m generally not a fan of "packages," but the Ruger 10/22 (and many Talo or Lipsey offerings) are an exception. At $399 full retail, this exact rig should be easily had in hand for 350 OTD.

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31143/detail/2.jpg

Don’tcha love how eager P-F is to spend your money?

:D

Hey I'm just excited my girlfriend wanted to buy (another) gun. Only thing she owns right now is her late father's Win Model 70 featherweight in .30-06. I think she will enjoy the .22 much more...


Reminds me...

If your girlfriend is short, check out the CZ Scout. It's the youth model, and a 16-inch-ish barrel. In the 452/455, it has just one stock screw, but can be installed in an adult stock as well. Generally sells for less.

She's a little on the tall side for a woman (5'7) so I was leaning towards the regular sized .22s. Is there any reason to consider a youth model?

[littlejerry]

I despise the Ruger American for the safety not locking the bolt. You basically can't carry it on your back without the bolt opening.

Fine for a range rifle, deal breaker for a woods rifle. May as well just get a 10/22.

[OlongJohnson]

She's a little on the tall side for a woman (5'7) so I was leaning towards the regular sized .22s. Is there any reason to consider a youth model?

I wouldn't think so. Most rimfires are set up for about that. I'm 6'4", so I have to do a little more.

[Dan_S]

Either a CZ (any CZ) or the Thompson Center TCR22.


There’s absolutely a reason to go with a youth sized model. For someone that height, the CZ youth length stock should be perfect.

[MichaelD]

My advice is to give her a "gift certificate" and a picture of your suggested gun, then go let her pick out her own from the local fun store. Make a date out of it.

That being said, 10/22 of any given variety... have her check them out on Ruger's site.

[OlongJohnson]

Don't think this was mentioned yet. CZ 457 has a 60-degree bolt lift, so you can mount a scope lower. And an adjustable trigger.

[nalesq]

Don't think this was mentioned yet. CZ 457 has a 60-degree bolt lift, so you can mount a scope lower. And an adjustable trigger.

Other good thing about the CZ 457 is that it has a “normal,” push forward to fire kind of safety (most of the other CZ rifle models are annoyingly backwards) which will be similar to the operation of the safety on the Winchester she already has.


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[Duelist]

If she doesn’t like the recoil of the .30’06, try some reduced recoil loads. They’ll still punch a deer’s ticket, without beating her up.

[BN]

Most recent add to the ruger site:

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/specSheets/31143.html

I’m generally not a fan of "packages," but the Ruger 10/22 (and many Talo or Lipsey offerings) are an exception. At $399 full retail, this exact rig should be easily had in hand for 350 OTD.

https://www.ruger.com/productImages/31143/detail/2.jpg

Don’tcha love how eager P-F is to spend your money?

:D

That's not a very good price for a $200 rifle and a $70 scope. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/70626/ruger+10%2f22+carbine+22+lr https://www.amazon.com/Viridian-3-9x40-Second-Duplex-Reticle/dp/B07XHNSJKY/ref=pd_cp_200_2/136-4939063-1934206?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07XHNSJKY&pd_rd_r=b3b8f717-4c4f-419b-a095-76f7ff83607c&pd_rd_w=o8bTq&pd_rd_wg=JP44x&pf_rd_p=0e5324e1-c848-4872-bbd5-5be6baedf80e&pf_rd_r=1607HC1ERZVD44JNSEHK&psc=1&refRID=1607HC1ERZVD44JNSEHK

[Totem Polar]

That's not a very good price for a $200 rifle and a $70 scope. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/70626/ruger+10%2f22+carbine+22+lr https://www.amazon.com/Viridian-3-9x40-Second-Duplex-Reticle/dp/B07XHNSJKY/ref=pd_cp_200_2/136-4939063-1934206?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07XHNSJKY&pd_rd_r=b3b8f717-4c4f-419b-a095-76f7ff83607c&pd_rd_w=o8bTq&pd_rd_wg=JP44x&pf_rd_p=0e5324e1-c848-4872-bbd5-5be6baedf80e&pf_rd_r=1607HC1ERZVD44JNSEHK&psc=1&refRID=1607HC1ERZVD44JNSEHK

I stand corrected. Although the cheapest new 10/22 on their site is 3 bills and change.

[OlongJohnson]

Never buy a gun without looking up its UPC on gun.deals

[BobM]

I despise the Ruger American for the safety not locking the bolt. You basically can't carry it on your back without the bolt opening.

Fine for a range rifle, deal breaker for a woods rifle. May as well just get a 10/22.

That is the one thing I don’t like about it.

[Shoresy]

I would probably grab a 10/22 and look no further, but for the sake of interesting discussion, you may want to add the Tikka T1x to you list of things to look at.

[kwb377]

I would probably grab a 10/22 and look no further, but for the sake of interesting discussion, you may want to add the Tikka T1x to you list of things to look at.

I agree that a semi-auto would be more fun for a new shooter. But I bought a T1X a few months ago and it is stupidly accurate and fun, but it's probably on the upper end $$$-wise for a starter gun.

I topped it with a relatively cheap Vortex Crossfire II and did a quick sponge-paint camo job on the stock (I also added the Tikka wide forend, grip and buttpad from the T3).

https://pbase.com/kwb377/image/169818862.jpg


It does this all day long...
https://pbase.com/kwb377/image/169769157.jpg

Let my 16 y.o. play with it the other day...4" plate/100 yds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvs9xM0hOnk

https://pbase.com/kwb377/image/170098872.jpg

[OlongJohnson]

I would probably grab a 10/22 and look no further, but for the sake of interesting discussion, you may want to add the Tikka T1x to you list of things to look at.

Excellent idea. I'm holding out for them to make it in stainless with a 16.5-inch threaded barrel.

[SD]

45163Browning Buckmark rifle and then you can add on the pistol at a later time.

[OlongJohnson]

There are bound to be some Buck Mark deals in the next week. I've seen a leaked Bass Pro/Cabela's ad on gun.deals that suggests $50 rebate for Buck Mark pistols. And $100 on the 1911-380.

I'd have a Buck Mark rifle if I could get past the price. Accuracy reports seem to be less stellar than CZs. I like the pistols quite a bit. Was thinking about suggesting one in this thread. If Academy drops the price for their house-spec Buck Marks to $299 black $329 stainless, and there's a $50 rebate, that's hard to beat.

[Wheeler]

There are bound to be some Buck Mark deals in the next week. I've seen a leaked Bass Pro/Cabela's ad on gun.deals that suggests $50 rebate for Buck Mark pistols. And $100 on the 1911-380.

I'd have a Buck Mark rifle if I could get past the price. Accuracy reports seem to be less stellar than CZs. I like the pistols quite a bit. Was thinking about suggesting one in this thread. If Academy drops the price for their house-spec Buck Marks to $299 black $329 stainless, and there's a $50 rebate, that's hard to beat.

The only real advantage of the Buckmark rifle is sharing mags with the pistols. The rifles are never seen at the upper levels of any of the rimfire games like the pistols, which ought to be a clue. From what I've been told by a couple of rimfire race gun builders, there's also no parts that swap between the rifle and pistol.

With all those potential negatives, I still want a Buckmark rifle just because. :)

[OlongJohnson]

From what I've been told by a couple of rimfire race gun builders, there's also no parts that swap between the rifle and pistol.

My understanding is the barrel interface is different, so you can't put a pistol barrel on the rifle receiver and make an SBR. But I thought all the moving parts were the same.

[Wheeler]

My understanding is the barrel interface is different, so you can't put a pistol barrel on the rifle receiver and make an SBR. But I thought all the moving parts were the same.

I won't argue the point. I asked about building one for the Rimfire Challenge and was told there was a dearth of parts for the rifles and it would involve a lot of custom parts being built. The 10/22 was suggested as a better alternative to build off of.

It's quite possible that it was easier and cheaper for him to build a 10/22 for the same retail cost and with a lot less effort. :)

[Old Man Winter]

I'd look for a clean pre-remlin Marlin 60. Everybody should have a tube fed 22 rifle because they're cool and the freedom haters grandfather them in their master disarmament plans.

[Totem Polar]

I'd look for a clean pre-remlin Marlin 60. Everybody should have a tube fed 22 rifle because they're cool and the freedom haters grandfather them in their master disarmament plans.

I have one, and it’s a fun little gun. I agree that it combines elements of classic gallery guns and the 10/22 vibe. Reliable, and accurate enough. Don’t sell the libs short though; mine is now an "assault rifle" requiring a certificate to buy in my state.

[Wake27]

I know you said standard rifle, but the M&P 15-22 is a fantastic gun. I like mine more every time I shoot it.


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[Totem Polar]

I know you said standard rifle, but the M&P 15-22 is a fantastic gun. I like mine more every time I shoot it.

I love the idea of the 15-22, but it’s been disallowed for appleseed shoots. Wouldn’t stop me from getting one, but not as my only/first rimfire. OMMV.

[OlongJohnson]

Appleseed and the S&W 15-22. (https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6780193b2101908f69db2a7d4a56ad 30&topic=50312.msg348323#msg348323)

[JHC]

I'd look for a clean pre-remlin Marlin 60. Everybody should have a tube fed 22 rifle because they're cool and the freedom haters grandfather them in their master disarmament plans.

Yep I love mine. It's run great.

[deputyG23]

Thompson/Center T/CR22, an improved 10/22

Our local “big box” gun store, Green Top Sporting Goods, is selling the TCR .22 today with a case, sling, and red dot sight for $269 today only.
Tempted to pick one up since I recently came into thousands of .22 LR from an estate sale.
Hard to go wrong with the 10/22 or a decent bolt gun for a first .22.

[SD]

Completely agree with you about the cost for the rifle, had to troll gun broker for a long time before acquiring this one at an excellent price. But now that I"m shooting it on a regular basis, can kick myself for not doing it sooner. My range in rimfire's vary; from a Marlin 60, Miroku 52, Anschutz 1516, toss in some Savage, Remington, and T/C Classic and by far the Browning is the most fun and accurate semi for plinking.
There are bound to be some Buck Mark deals in the next week. I've seen a leaked Bass Pro/Cabela's ad on gun.deals that suggests $50 rebate for Buck Mark pistols. And $100 on the 1911-380.

I'd have a Buck Mark rifle if I could get past the price. Accuracy reports seem to be less stellar than CZs. I like the pistols quite a bit. Was thinking about suggesting one in this thread. If Academy drops the price for their house-spec Buck Marks to $299 black $329 stainless, and there's a $50 rebate, that's hard to beat.

[rob_s]

If you really want it to be “hers” I’d take her to a gun show and let her handle a bunch of stuff and pick what she likes. Then I’d buy it in the spot! avoid the man shit about “ok I’ll find the best price online and go buy it for you later”. Give the woman her instant gratification even if it cost you and extra $50. Then go right from there to the range.

What she will remember and appreciate more about the gift is the time you spent together, the respect you paid her to pick her own gun, and an entire day spent on her.

[Nephrology]

I'd look for a clean pre-remlin Marlin 60. Everybody should have a tube fed 22 rifle because they're cool and the freedom haters grandfather them in their master disarmament plans.

I had a pre-Remington Marlin 60 and hated it. Won't buy one again.


If you really want it to be “hers” I’d take her to a gun show and let her handle a bunch of stuff and pick what she likes. Then I’d buy it in the spot! avoid the man shit about “ok I’ll find the best price online and go buy it for you later”. Give the woman her instant gratification even if it cost you and extra $50. Then go right from there to the range.

What she will remember and appreciate more about the gift is the time you spent together, the respect you paid her to pick her own gun, and an entire day spent on her.

This is a very good point....

[mmc45414]

also - What's the word on the Ruger American .22LRs?
I was going to mention this because she doesn't sound like she has that much experience?
As much as we all love our 10/22s (got two of them), there might be a better learning curve to be had by the thing NOT being automatically hot again as soon as you reset the trigger. Working a bolt to chamber the next round might be better to reinforce the understanding of the chamber being second from the magazine?

And WTH, you could get an American now, and the magazines would be compatible. And holy hell, for $200 each maybe get both:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger-american-bolt-action-22lr-8301.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger-10-22-22-lr-mans-best-friend-collector-series-rifle-od-green-31115.html
And the stock on the American "Includes two interchangeable standard length of pull stock modules that provide comb height options for scope or iron sight use. By simply removing the rear sling swivel stud, stock modules can be changed in seconds. Compact stock modules are available at ShopRuger.com" so if you wanted to try options it is easy. And I think that 10/22 comes with the same interchangeable module, but only comes with one. But the options are $20:
http://shopruger.com/Rugerreg-Stock-Module-High-Comb_Standard-Pull/productinfo/90432/
You could end up with peep sights, or a simple red dot, on one and a scope on the other one.

Better buy the bigger safe... :cool:

[BehindBlueI's]

also - What's the word on the Ruger American .22LRs?

I like my American .22 Magnum, but I've not been particularly demanding of it.

[Lost River]

The Tikka T1 is a substantially nicer gun than my CZ.

If I was buying today, I would get a T1 and not look back.

Amazingly accurate and smooth.

[Totem Polar]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger-10-22-22-lr-mans-best-friend-collector-series-rifle-od-green-31115.html?avad=252061_b17d3253d&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=ale


Compelling. Very compelling.

[OlongJohnson]

The Tikka T1 is a substantially nicer gun than my CZ.

If I was buying today, I would get a T1 and not look back.

Amazingly accurate and smooth.

I've actually been thinking about selling a couple CZs and buying a Tikka in HMR. Will hold out a few years for them to make the .22LR in 16.5" stainless.

[El Cid]

With the expansive aftermarket for the 10/22 I think it’s tough to beat as an option. There are still parts of the country where you can buy the magazines for them in hardware stores.

I built my own using all aftermarket parts. Kidd trigger, Tactical Solutions receiver, Magpul stock... I even went with Gemtech’s Mist 22 barrel that is half bbl and half suppressor. It’s as loud as a stapler. Of course that would mean a tax stamp and big brother’s permission to cross state lines so maybe a regular bbl is what y’all would want. But they are fun, reliable and plenty accurate.

[Dan_S]

Of course that would mean a tax stamp and big brother’s permission to cross state lines so maybe a regular bbl is what y’all would want.

Say whaaaaaat?

[Chuck Whitlock]

I was going to mention this because she doesn't sound like she has that much experience?
As much as we all love our 10/22s (got two of them), there might be a better learning curve to be had by the thing NOT being automatically hot again as soon as you reset the trigger. Working a bolt to chamber the next round might be better to reinforce the understanding of the chamber being second from the magazine?

And WTH, you could get an American now, and the magazines would be compatible. And holy hell, for $200 each maybe get both:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger-american-bolt-action-22lr-8301.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ruger-10-22-22-lr-mans-best-friend-collector-series-rifle-od-green-31115.html
And the stock on the American "Includes two interchangeable standard length of pull stock modules that provide comb height options for scope or iron sight use. By simply removing the rear sling swivel stud, stock modules can be changed in seconds. Compact stock modules are available at ShopRuger.com" so if you wanted to try options it is easy. And I think that 10/22 comes with the same interchangeable module, but only comes with one. But the options are $20:
http://shopruger.com/Rugerreg-Stock-Module-High-Comb_Standard-Pull/productinfo/90432/
You could end up with peep sights, or a simple red dot, on one and a scope on the other one.

Better buy the bigger safe... :cool:

https://ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/specSheets/31115.html


If I didn't already have a TD model I'd be seriously interested in this one.

[El Cid]

Say whaaaaaat?

Never mind. Looks like suppressors don’t count. It’s only for weapons that fall under the NFA.

https://www.atf.gov/file/11361/download

[willie]

The 10/22 plus nice optic is a sensible amount of money. The CZ plus a nice optic becomes expensive. CZ 22's with iron sights have a different stock than those that are slick and without iron sights and intended to be scoped. The iron sighted rifles have scopes with a lower comb. Thus the shooter using a scope is contacting the stock with chin and not cheek--depending on scope dimensions and ring height. Using low scope rings is not always the answer because the bolt handle very well might hit the scope's rear objective. Regardless you still have a stock with low comb.

My suggestion is that if you select a CZ, buy the model without iron sights and with the higher comb. Select a smaller scope, use CZ rings, and live happily thereafter. You will find that using CZ rings is easiest since choices are limited. You will find that if you are not careful, you will end up with a scope and ring combination that won't work. Unless things have changed, CZ is the only source of factory rings for these rifles. Magazines are very expensive and have low round count.

The CZ is a purist and advanced shooter type rifle. Rings and magazines are expensive. They, the rifle, and a nice scope will hit you close to $1000. I would not gift one to any person who is a new shooter, does not know the difference, and who might lose interest. If your friend shows promise and interest as time passes, then she will be a candidate for a premium rifle. I think that the model intended to be scoped comes with factory rings.

I own and shoot CZ rifles. Reread the above comment about bolt handles hitting scope objective bells. Buy the Ruger 10/22.

[OlongJohnson]

CZ factory rings are pretty high.

I am in possession of a set of these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scope-Rings-for-11mm-and-3-8-Dovetails-fits-Anschutz-and-CZ-1-Scope/264268435836

They look very nice. I will be installing them on my 512 with the 2-7x28 Leupold this weekend.

There is also the J&P adapter route: Delrin blocks that put Weaver rail chunks on the CZ rail. They work great with Burris Signature Zee rings, but I wouldn't use them with any other rings. I have measured a set and the top and bottom are out of parallel by a couple thousandths. The Signature Zee rings will soak it up no problem, but it could be an issue with others. J&P CS told me they are only meant to be used with Sig Zee rings; go figure.

[Nephrology]

The 10/22 plus nice optic is a sensible amount of money. The CZ plus a nice optic becomes expensive. CZ 22's with iron sights have a different stock than those that are slick and without iron sights and intended to be scoped. The iron sighted rifles have scopes with a lower comb. Thus the shooter using a scope is contacting the stock with chin and not cheek--depending on scope dimensions and ring height. Using low scope rings is not always the answer because the bolt handle very well might hit the scope's rear objective. Regardless you still have a stock with low comb.

My suggestion is that if you select a CZ, buy the model without iron sights and with the higher comb. Select a smaller scope, use CZ rings, and live happily thereafter. You will find that using CZ rings is easiest since choices are limited. You will find that if you are not careful, you will end up with a scope and ring combination that won't work. Unless things have changed, CZ is the only source of factory rings for these rifles. Magazines are very expensive and have low round count.

The CZ is a purist and advanced shooter type rifle. Rings and magazines are expensive. They, the rifle, and a nice scope will hit you close to $1000. I would not gift one to any person who is a new shooter, does not know the difference, and who might lose interest. If your friend shows promise and interest as time passes, then she will be a candidate for a premium rifle. I think that the model intended to be scoped comes with factory rings.

I own and shoot CZ rifles. Reread the above comment about bolt handles hitting scope objective bells. Buy the Ruger 10/22.

Yeah, particularly after dropping about $1600 on a new safe set-up, the 10/22 is easily the front-runner here...

[willie]

CZ factory rings are pretty high.

I am in possession of a set of these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scope-Rings-for-11mm-and-3-8-Dovetails-fits-Anschutz-and-CZ-1-Scope/264268435836

They look very nice. I will be installing them on my 512 with the 2-7x28 Leupold this weekend.

There is also the J&P adapter route: Delrin blocks that put Weaver rail chunks on the CZ rail. They work great with Burris Signature Zee rings, but I wouldn't use them with any other rings. I have measured a set and the top and bottom are out of parallel by a couple thousandths. The Signature Zee rings will soak it up no problem, but it could be an issue with others. J&P CS told me they are only meant to be used with Sig Zee rings; go figure.

Thanks for the info about D3 Precision rings. Being a small company, this outfit could likely advise on ring height as it relates to scope selection. An incorrect combination will result in bolt handle hitting scope. Rimfire Central has a member generated chart on the subject which to my dim mind is complex.

My next CZ will be the nifty little bolt rifle in 7.62 Russian. It's light and handy, has minimal recoil, fires cheap ammo, and will serve me well as I shoot dirt clods, rocks, and stumps. I may even sight it in on paper.

[OlongJohnson]

Thanks for the info about D3 Precision rings. Being a small company, this outfit could likely advise on ring height as it relates to scope selection. An incorrect combination will result in bolt handle hitting scope. Rimfire Central has a member generated chart on the subject which to my dim mind is complex.

My next CZ will be the nifty little bolt rifle in 7.62 Russian. It's light and handy, has minimal recoil, fires cheap ammo, and will serve me well as I shoot dirt clods, rocks, and stumps. I may even sight it in on paper.

I found the D3 Precision guy from some discussion over at RFC. I, too, find the "chart" nearly useless.

There's one of those 527s at Collector's in 6.5G. Got me to go around the loop again, like I did when Brownell's put the Howa LW Mini action on sale awhile back. At this point, I'm not sure what all that would do for me that a custom .30-30 Contender barrel wouldn't. If I want to send 123-gr SSTs at ~2450 fps out of a lightweight, easy to carry, accurate gun, that will do nicely. As would downloading .308 cases for a Tikka.

[willie]

I found the D3 Precision guy from some discussion over at RFC. I, too, find the "chart" nearly useless.

There's one of those 527s at Collector's in 6.5G. Got me to go around the loop again, like I did when Brownell's put the Howa LW Mini action on sale awhile back. At this point, I'm not sure what all that would do for me that a custom .30-30 Contender barrel wouldn't. If I want to send 123-gr SSTs at ~2450 fps out of a lightweight, easy to carry, accurate gun, that will do nicely. As would downloading .308 cases for a Tikka.

Sir, you must never permit logic to convince you not to buy another gun. :D
But, with the nifty CZ in 7.62 Russian you could blast away with cheap steel case Russian ammo which these little rifles with slightly larger bores were made to shoot. Such is more fun in wood and dale than on a range.

[Wheeler]

The 10/22 plus nice optic is a sensible amount of money. The CZ plus a nice optic becomes expensive. CZ 22's with iron sights have a different stock than those that are slick and without iron sights and intended to be scoped. The iron sighted rifles have scopes with a lower comb. Thus the shooter using a scope is contacting the stock with chin and not cheek--depending on scope dimensions and ring height. Using low scope rings is not always the answer because the bolt handle very well might hit the scope's rear objective. Regardless you still have a stock with low comb.

My suggestion is that if you select a CZ, buy the model without iron sights and with the higher comb. Select a smaller scope, use CZ rings, and live happily thereafter. You will find that using CZ rings is easiest since choices are limited. You will find that if you are not careful, you will end up with a scope and ring combination that won't work. Unless things have changed, CZ is the only source of factory rings for these rifles. Magazines are very expensive and have low round count.

The CZ is a purist and advanced shooter type rifle. Rings and magazines are expensive. They, the rifle, and a nice scope will hit you close to $1000. I would not gift one to any person who is a new shooter, does not know the difference, and who might lose interest. If your friend shows promise and interest as time passes, then she will be a candidate for a premium rifle. I think that the model intended to be scoped comes with factory rings.

I own and shoot CZ rifles. Reread the above comment about bolt handles hitting scope objective bells. Buy the Ruger 10/22.


I have no issues getting a proper cheek weld with my CZ Standard, which came with iron sights. There is such a thing as low and no rise rings...

[Isaac]

I'm very happy with my Savage, but a lever action would be nice.. not needing mags and all.

She might find them cowboy cool too



https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=93207

[willie]

I have no issues getting a proper cheek weld with my CZ Standard, which came with iron sights. There is such a thing as low and no rise rings...

You have matched the rings to the scope. Higher power scopes with bigger objective bells hit the bolt handle when these scopes are in the lower ring heights. This situation is not as severe as it once was because CZ altered the bolt handle shape.

[littlejerry]

The 10/22 plus nice optic is a sensible amount of money. The CZ plus a nice optic becomes expensive. CZ 22's with iron sights have a different stock than those that are slick and without iron sights and intended to be scoped. The iron sighted rifles have scopes with a lower comb. Thus the shooter using a scope is contacting the stock with chin and not cheek--depending on scope dimensions and ring height. Using low scope rings is not always the answer because the bolt handle very well might hit the scope's rear objective. Regardless you still have a stock with low comb.

My suggestion is that if you select a CZ, buy the model without iron sights and with the higher comb. Select a smaller scope, use CZ rings, and live happily thereafter. You will find that using CZ rings is easiest since choices are limited. You will find that if you are not careful, you will end up with a scope and ring combination that won't work. Unless things have changed, CZ is the only source of factory rings for these rifles. Magazines are very expensive and have low round count.

The CZ is a purist and advanced shooter type rifle. Rings and magazines are expensive. They, the rifle, and a nice scope will hit you close to $1000. I would not gift one to any person who is a new shooter, does not know the difference, and who might lose interest. If your friend shows promise and interest as time passes, then she will be a candidate for a premium rifle. I think that the model intended to be scoped comes with factory rings.

I own and shoot CZ rifles. Reread the above comment about bolt handles hitting scope objective bells. Buy the Ruger 10/22.


The solution here is to buy both an iron sighted CZ and a slick scoped CZ.

[Wheeler]

You have matched the rings to the scope. Higher power scopes with bigger objective bells hit the bolt handle when these scopes are in the lower ring heights. This situation is not as severe as it once was because CZ altered the bolt handle shape.

I'm running a 3-9x50. That's a pretty large objective bell, I had to remove the rear sight for clearance.

[willie]

I'm running a 3-9x50. That's a pretty large objective bell, I had to remove the rear sight for clearance.

That is a big scope. You are more adept than I in scoping these rifles and at the same time being able to maintain a cheek weld. Share with us your best groups and the ammo brand that your rifle prefers.

[Wheeler]

That is a big scope. You are more adept than I in scoping these rifles and at the same time being able to maintain a cheek weld. Share with us your best groups and the ammo brand that your rifle prefers.

Best group thus far is 1.4" at 100 using CCI Standard Velocity. I haven't played with it much as I've decided I need a scope with some form of BDC on it. I'm not much of a precision shooter but I do enjoy the process of trying to shoot tiny little groups.

[john c]

I have several Ruger 10/22s, and they're great rifles. If I were buying one today, I'd get a T/CR 22. It has much better sights and a scope rail integrated into the receiver. I have aftermarket rails on my 10/22s, and that adds up. In addition, the T/CR stock is upgraded over standard Ruger stocks. Those three factors are well worth the price, since you'd have to do that anyways to your 10/22.

I also have a CZ 455, and shot a Ruger American 22 while with my son at Scout camp. The CZ is clearly in a different league compared to the Ruger. The CZ was superior in every respect (and should be, for the price difference).

[mrdaytrade]

Bought this for my wife a few months ago. She doesn't have any problems with its size. She's 5' 3". She actually prefers not to use the scope!


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[AKDoug]

It's after Christmas, so what did you get her?

You said she's into "lite" prepping. About the only preppery thing I have is a Ruger 10/22 takedown in a Mag-Pul Backpacker stock. Perfect for tossing into another pack and not obviously carrying a firearm.

[Nephrology]

It's after Christmas, so what did you get her?

You said she's into "lite" prepping. About the only preppery thing I have is a Ruger 10/22 takedown in a Mag-Pul Backpacker stock. Perfect for tossing into another pack and not obviously carrying a firearm.

Ended up going with wood stocked 10/22 carbine. ~$200 shipped on gunbroker. Inexpensive and checked all the boxes - had her take a look and make sure it was exactly what she wanted before I clicked purchase.

Still have yet to take her out but she is excited! Brings me lots of joy to see her genuinely interested in hitting the range with me. Worth every penny :)

Next up is a rimfire scope - maybe for her birthday this summer. Very interested in the Leupold VX rimfire model mentioned here - seems like just the ticket.

[Redhat]

Ended up going with wood stocked 10/22 carbine. ~$200 shipped on gunbroker. Inexpensive and checked all the boxes - had her take a look and make sure it was exactly what she wanted before I clicked purchase.

Still have yet to take her out but she is excited! Brings me lots of joy to see her genuinely interested in hitting the range with me. Worth every penny :)

Next up is a rimfire scope - maybe for her birthday this summer. Very interested in the Leupold VX rimfire model mentioned here - seems like just the ticket.

one thing I've found with the basic 10/22 is the drop at the stock is so extreme it makes it difficult to maintain a proper cheek weld while looking through a scope.

You may find it needs to be built up a bit...or get a better stock.

[Nephrology]

one thing I've found with the basic 10/22 is the drop at the stock is so extreme it makes it difficult to maintain a proper cheek weld while looking through a scope.

You may find it needs to be built up a bit...or get a better stock.

Good to know! She is very enamored with the idea of a 'classic' rifle (wood stock, blued steel) so I may see if I can find one with a Monte Carlo comb or such when the time comes. For now she'll shoot irons as she learns the basics of marksmanship/gun ownership.

[Redhat]

Good to know! She is very enamored with the idea of a 'classic' rifle (wood stock, blued steel) so I may see if I can find one with a Monte Carlo comb or such when the time comes. For now she'll shoot irons as she learns the basics of marksmanship/gun ownership.

Whatever you do...don't go to the Rimfire Central forums...:cool:

[Nephrology]

Whatever you do...don't go to the Rimfire Central forums...:cool:

good thing it's her gun and not mine... otherwise my wallet would be in for a serious beating.

[Wise_A]

If you're at all concerned with aesthetics and matching the scope to the rifle, then no, I don't think you can do any better than the Leupold VX Rimfire--and I'm a Vortex guy. I want to suggest something with exposed turrets, or that could be moved to an AR or a beginner's bolt-action centerfire, but everything I can think of would be either ugly, or useless on a rifle that you'd maybe want to take small game with. And really, that's just the bittervet in me that insists on that stuff.

Have you considered a strap-on cheek riser? I think it'd be money better-spent than sidegrading to a different wood stock:

https://triadtactical.com/triad-stock-pad/

Or something in leather, if that's your fetish.

[Jim Watson]

A friend's wife turned up her nose at scope sights and sandbags. Her idea of riflery was a 1903A3 and cast bullets shot offhand. She loaded most of their 12 ga trap shells.