School Shooting in SoCal

[Guerrero]

https://fox6now.com/2019/11/14/at-least-6-hurt-in-southern-california-high-school-shooting/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-saugus-high-school-shooting

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-clarita-school-shooting/index.html

[Chance]

From BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50422956):


At least five people have been injured after a gunman opened fire on the grounds of a high school in California, officials say.

The shooting took place at the Saugus High School in Santa Clarita north of Los Angeles on Thursday, minutes before the school day was due to begin.

Police described the suspect as an Asian male wearing black clothing. Police describe the scene as "active".

The school, and other neighbouring schools have been placed on lockdown.

According to the LA Times website, the suspect is a 15-year-old boy.

[Suvorov]

Gavin Newsom has a boner no doubt! I'm sure he is already getting his makeup ready for the press conference.

[JHC]

In current briefing, one CPT Wegener of "Los Angeles County" reports the weapon recovered was a .45 caliber semiauto pistol. Shooter reportedly shot several persons then shot himself.

[Rex G]

Latest ABC update is that the shooter was a student, who shot five fellow students, then himself. Two dead. Shooter still alive, in “grave” condition.

It was the shooter’s sixteenth birthday.

LE vehicles also at a house, near the school, but no confirmation of the scenes being related. (I could guess that house may be the shooter’s address.)

[Bart Carter]

Chances are high that he has no father at home and some type of drug involvement, legal or not.

[0ddl0t]

A 3rd victim just died with the shooter still in grave condition. The other 2 victims are expected to recover.


Chances are high that he has no father at home and some type of drug involvement, legal or not.

His father died in 2017 of a heart attack as a divorce & custody battle were reaching an end. Reports are saying the kid had been visibly depresssed the last few days. Doesn't seem to fit the typical loner stereotype: he was on the track team and had a girlfriend.

[Mystery]

Sad!
Strict gun laws may help in some situation but doesn't do anything here.
How did 16 year old get a handgun?

[vandal]

Queue the "We have the strictest gun laws in the nation, but we're not doing enough."


Sad!
Strict gun laws may help in some situation but doesn't do anything here.
How did 16 year old get a handgun?

[Bergeron]

Strict gun laws never help and make it that much harder for the innocent to defend themselves, increasing death and carnage.

All of Cali’s idiot gun laws, and look at how effective they aren’t.

[0ddl0t]

A teacher with a stop the bleed kit likely saved the life of one of the victims - a female shot twice in the upper body.


A 3rd victim just died.

^That ended up being fake news.

[Kanye Wyoming]

https://www.cbs46.com/news/locked-and-loaded-cbs-goes-inside-the-first-georgia-school/article_66f65208-058e-11ea-ad9b-e319483d7b68.html


Laurens County, a rural community 2.5 hours south of Atlanta is making history in the state of Georgia, by adopting extraordinary school safety measures, to protect children from harm.

It is the first school district in the state to put guns in the hands of some of its teachers and staff members. Outside every school building in the county is a yellow sign that reads, in part: “Warning. Staff members are armed and trained. Any attempt to harm children will be met with deadly force.”

Willing to bet some of my own money that none of these shitbirds tries to attack a school here.

[jrm]

Chances are high that he has no father at home and some type of drug involvement, legal or not.

What good does this broad prediction do? Even if it’s true that is a massive group what do you do about it? Just create stigma for a large group of young people over things that are largely outside their control? I bet he has played video games, seen pornography, and consumes a highly processed food diet as well. Hell he very well may have a strong interest in firearms. Lock all those people up they must be crazy.

[0ddl0t]

What good does this broad prediction do? Even if it’s true that is a massive group what do you do about it? Just create stigma for a large group of young people over things that are largely outside their control? I bet he has played video games, seen pornography, and consumes a highly processed food diet as well. Hell he very well may have a strong interest in firearms. Lock all those people up they must be crazy.

I think there is probably some substance there when 26 out of the 27 deadliest mass shooters came from fatherless homes. It is a societal issue that really began to take off in the late 1960s. The likely cause? A combination of sexual liberation and LBJ's "Great Society" programs that allowed women to leave marriages without a total loss of financial security and, unfortunately, actually gave them financial incentives to have more children out of wedlock.

[jrm]

I think there is probably some substance there when 26 out of the 27 deadliest mass shooters came from fatherless homes. It is a societal issue that really began to take off in the late 1960s. The likely cause? A combination of sexual liberation and LBJ's "Great Society" programs that allowed women to leave marriages without a total loss of financial security and, unfortunately, actually gave them financial incentives to have more children out of wedlock.

So 26 out of 19.7 million is statistically significant?https://www.fatherhood.org/father-absence-statistic. If not then maybe you are stigmatizing 25% of our children for no good reason when they already have enough legitimate issues to overcome.

[0ddl0t]

The gun used was not registered to suspects dead father. Police found several other unregistered guns at his house.


So 26 out of 19.7 million is statistically significant?https://www.fatherhood.org/father-absence-statistic. If not then maybe you are stigmatizing 25% of our children for no good reason when they already have enough legitimate issues to overcome.

That was just the top 27 shooters. 60% of inmates came from broken homes - about twice the rate as in two parent households. That isn't to be an ass or to stigmatize anyone, but the evidence is pretty convincing that single parent households are suboptimal.

[jrm]

The gun used was not registered to suspects dead father. Police found several other unregistered guns at his house.



That was just the top 27 shooters. 60% of inmates came from broken homes - about twice the rate as in two parent households. That isn't to be an ass or to stigmatize anyone, but the evidence is pretty convincing that single parent households are suboptimal.

A demographic that makes up 50% of the US population makes 60% of the prison population not too far out of line. Parental earning levels and incarceration correlate much more though. When do we deal with the real problem instead of blaming marital status of ones parents?

[AMC]

A demographic that makes up 50% of the US population makes 60% of the prison population not too far out of line. Parental earning levels and incarceration correlate much more though. When do we deal with the real problem instead of blaming marital status of ones parents?

Curious...what to your mind is the "real problem"? Legit question, not being snarky.

[0ddl0t]

A demographic that makes up 50% of the US population makes 60% of the prison population not too far out of line.
Except the demographic is 31% of US population and makes up 60% of the prison population.

As of 2016 69% of children under age of 18 live with 2 parents:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192.html

[HCM]

https://www.cbs46.com/news/locked-and-loaded-cbs-goes-inside-the-first-georgia-school/article_66f65208-058e-11ea-ad9b-e319483d7b68.html



Willing to bet some of my own money that none of these shitbirds tries to attack a school here.

You would bet wrong. The majority of school shooters are students or former student. Armed teachers can stop the killing quicker because they have the shortest response time but thinking a sign and armed teacher will deter is pure horse shit like saying a shotgun is the ultimate personal weapon because “all you have to do is rack that pump gun.”

I favor arming teachers and school staff given adequate training like Texas’ school marshal program but I’m realistic about what it can and cannot accomplish.

[peterb]

I think there is probably some substance there when 26 out of the 27 deadliest mass shooters came from fatherless homes. It is a societal issue that really began to take off in the late 1960s. The likely cause? A combination of sexual liberation and LBJ's "Great Society" programs that allowed women to leave marriages without a total loss of financial security and, unfortunately, actually gave them financial incentives to have more children out of wedlock.

So it’s all on the women, and not on the absent fathers, or the fathers who made leaving the marriage seem like a good idea?

[HCM]

So it’s all on the women, and not on the absent fathers, or the fathers who made leaving the marriage seem like a good idea?


There are just as many women who leave as men. They get bored or feel under appreciated etc and pop smoke. Either way it is usually people who are selfish and put their happiness over that if their kids.

One parent households impact kids regardless of which parent is missing.

You are also assuming all start in a marriage in the first place.

[0ddl0t]

So it’s all on the women, and not on the absent fathers, or the fathers who made leaving the marriage seem like a good idea?

No, but it was an unintended consequence.

[jrm]

Except the demographic is 31% of US population and makes up 60% of the prison population.

As of 2016 69% of children under age of 18 live with 2 parents:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192.html

I was unable to find how they defined those terms but I would consider “broken home” as divorced or non cohabitating parents. If a step father or mother counts in the living with two parents Category then I would consider that a different situation than the “broken home” that was quoted in the 60%. Regardless, I do believe a two parent household without abuse is a much better system to raise children than a single parent. While that may be the case I do not believe it is helpful to associate a large number of non mass shooters with the rare mass shooter. I also think income levels are much more correlated to poor outcomes than any other metric. From my time in DCS and criminal court poverty and a lack of opportunity seemed to be practically universal. I also know that I saw adults from wealthy families who got to violate probation several more times for failing drug test, picking up new charges, or both relative to poor defendants before being revoked to serve their sentence. I was in a ruralish white area so I never really picked up on race being a consideration but financial and familia status definitely seemed to have an impact.

My thoughts on the real problems are income inequality to a certain extent and a lack of social mobility as the main problem. Many people are born with the deck stacked completely against them and then when they make a mistake, as many kids do, due to their socioeconomic status they they become even more disadvantaged versus more affluent children who made the same mistakes. Also, I believe growing up where there is little opportunity to better your situation real, and perhaps even more importantly perceived, creates feelings of defeat and resentment that can become a self fulfilling prophecy. I believe there is a serious problem with an economic system that creates billionaires off the backs of labor that is paid so little they have to be subsidized by US taxpayers in order to survive. I feel such a system needs quite a bit of tweaking at a minimum. Also, the economic stress of being paid so little certainly contributes to a lack of parenting and marital troubles. I will acknowledge that some people do manage to make it out of bad situations. Those individuals are celebrated and they should be but a few exceptions do not mean it is feasible for all or even a plurality.

To return back to my original topic of stigma. A major portion of my gripe with the blanket grouping of no father and drugs legal or illegal was in relation to the legal drug portion. I was diagnosed and treated for ADD for a brief time as a young child before I stopped taking my medicine due to negative views from society that I picked up on. After about 25 years of being emotionally miserable and under performing socially, educationally, and professionally I have resumed treatment and it has made a huge difference in my emotional and work life. My wife’s encouragement and seeing my young son start down the same path is what motivated me and clued me in that maybe I really do have a problem and that ADD/ADHD aren’t complete bullshit as I was led to believe by a likely well meaning but not properly informed society. I have to say society because I can’t pin point any individual or individuals that had an impact it was simply the vibe I picked up somehow. I completed undergrad and law school without treatment so I don’t think I will get another shot at seeing how education would be effected but my guess is that would have turned out a lot better as well. Given my experience I do not think it is wise or helpful for people without any training or real understanding of those types of issues to discourage others from seeking and obtaining help that might make the difference between a miserable existence and a fulfilling life because a tiny minority of people with issues got some help but still committed mass murder despite that help.

[Drang]

Greg Ellefritz has an analysis of The Saugus High School Shooting (https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-saugus-high-school-shooting) up at Active Response Training.
Three off-duty cops were dropping off their kids when they heard shooting and responded. No doubt the MMQBs will be telling us this was wrong...

[BillSWPA]

Apparently the shooter used a gun assembled from parts which the anti-gun groups are now calling a "ghost gun."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/california-high-school-shooting/2019/11/21/id/942739/

We now know the next likely target of gun control.

[vandal]

Already illegal in Ca.


Apparently the shooter used a gun assembled from parts which the anti-gun groups are now calling a "ghost gun."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/california-high-school-shooting/2019/11/21/id/942739/

We now know the next likely target of gun control.