Why don't more manufacturers produce turnkey SBR factory rifles?

[coldcase1984]

First I'm posting this here so the current industry guys who read & post here might see it and take up the cause.

This idea has been with me since I SBRed my 1978 10/22 just before Ruger started making .22 cans and then integrally suppressed barrels for the Takedown 10/22s and Chargers.

If folks are willing to buy and wait for stamps for those, why not factory made NFA firearms?

I've fired thousands and thousands of rounds hunting, plinking & killing varmints in the last 41 years w my 10/22 but wish I'd thought of SBRing it before Reagan was elected!

It's much handier as a truck gun now and makes for a very wieldy HD weapon for the recoil shy and already deaf enough.

Class 3 purchases are much less intimidating and costly than they used to be, too.

Producing threaded factory-made SBRs in all rimfire and pistol-caliber carbines in all action types would add a sales niche in this great economy!

I'd love to be able to go down the road to The Outpost Armory and start the clock running on my stamp for a 10- or 12-in. Marlin 1894 in .357/.38 right now.

What do y'all think?

[Casual Friday]

There are quite a few factory SBR's out there, just not any that I know of in .22LR. The market for a factory SBR Ruger 10/22 is very small.

Combine that with the fact efile Form 1's are coming back in as little as a few days up to 60 days worst case scenario. A Form 4 SBR you're looking at a year wait. There have been a few people reporting Form 4's coming back in a few months when filed as an individual, but that has mostly been for suppressors.

Most people that buy a 10/22 are just going to plink with them as is. Paying an additional $200 and waiting a year to get a rifle you could walk out of the store with today if the barrel was a few inches longer is not something most people in the market for a cheap .22LR are going to do.

I understand their appeal though, I'm going to efile Form 1 my M&P 15-22 and efile Form 1 for a home made suppressor for it, I've just been lazy about it.

[coldcase1984]

Yes, there are plenty of choices in ARs, just saying it would be nice to have the ability to buy them factory-made.

Perhaps Lipsey's could commission a run of SBR'd 10/22 and test the waters.

[Dan_S]

https://www.silencershop.com/tacsol-x-ring-takedown-sbr.html

[coldcase1984]

That's way above my paygrade, Dan.

All Ruger has to do is make 10.5-in. Threaded bbls and drop them in the factory wood stocks and they'd sell every one,for a skosh maux than Wal-Mart's bone stock price.

[Dan_S]

That's way above my paygrade, Dan.

All Ruger has to do is make 10.5-in. Threaded bbls and drop them in the factory wood stocks and they'd sell every one,for a skosh maux than Wal-Mart's bone stock price.


The expense of class iii stuff is more in the man hours spent for paperwork than manufacturing costs I reckon. I agree that it would be...less expensive.. than some of the custom options, but it wouldn’t be that cheap either.

[Casual Friday]

Dang!

In a different century y'all woulda railed against electricity, internal combustion and typewriters.

Never mind.😆

No not really, it's just not as easy as you think it should be. A factory 10/22 SBR would not sell for anywhere near the price Walmart sells a regular 10/22 for. There's way too many other factors at play for that to be possible.

[rcbusmc24]

SOT to SOT transfer cost, Tax stamps and associated delays, opportunity cost issues and the fact that there is NO markup on NFA shit for a dealer, I figure that a Factory SBR Ruger 10-22 would be around a 900-1000 dollar rifle before we even got to stamp costs and they would just collect dust on the dealers wall. Much like S&W M&P 15-22 integrally suppressed rifles that no one can sell for shit, We bought one for the SOT associated with my buddies shop that does machine gun fun shoots in eastern NC. Got it from another buddies shop for 300 bucks after it had collected dust there for 2 plus years with nary a bite. With e-file only taking a few weeks at most now, Not enough people to make it economically viable for the manufacturer are going to go through the hassle for a.....toy at best, it's just soo much cheaper to do it yourself.

[Crash41984]

because patience, $200.00, and fear of being on a "list."

[Poconnor]

I think if you are on this forum you are already on “the list”.

[JRB]

SOT to SOT transfer cost, Tax stamps and associated delays, opportunity cost issues and the fact that there is NO markup on NFA shit for a dealer, I figure that a Factory SBR Ruger 10-22 would be around a 900-1000 dollar rifle before we even got to stamp costs and they would just collect dust on the dealers wall. Much like S&W M&P 15-22 integrally suppressed rifles that no one can sell for shit, We bought one for the SOT associated with my buddies shop that does machine gun fun shoots in eastern NC. Got it from another buddies shop for 300 bucks after it had collected dust there for 2 plus years with nary a bite. With e-file only taking a few weeks at most now, Not enough people to make it economically viable for the manufacturer are going to go through the hassle for a.....toy at best, it's just soo much cheaper to do it yourself.

^This, exactly.

The best example of the cost difference I can imagine is the difference in price on Arsenal AK pistols vs Arsenal AK SBR's - They have the exact same components, receiver, barrel, etc on both a SAM7 pistol and a SAM7 SBR. The only difference is the paperwork and the stock components installed on the receiver.

The pistols are for sale for around $900, the SBR's are $1700+ Almost twice the price to get enough margin in it for Arsenal to even bother. Worse, there's no room for a markup on that SBR for SOT FFL's, so they make the same $50 or whatever for the NFA paperwork on that $1700 SBR as they would on a $350 suppressor.

By that math, and other similar pistol vs SBR comparisons, I'd agree that a factory SBR 10/22 would have to be over $1000 to make any sense for Ruger, and NOBODY with a brain is buying a $1000 factory SBR and waiting 9+ months when you can buy a $275 Charger today and file a $200 stamp yourself and have it done in ~2-4 months. Even adding a generous $150-200 budget for the stock/mags/etc you want on your SBR'd 10/22, you have a gun in hand 6+ months sooner and for $300+ less

Unless there are massive changes to the NFA, factory SBR's just don't make much sense.

[Poconnor]

I wish Ruger would just make some 10” or 12” threaded 10/22 pistol barrels. Sell them for $100. Do a form 1 and ba da bing- SBR. I will take two; a standard barrel w front sight and threads and a .920 threaded barrel.

[JRB]

I wish Ruger would just make some 10” or 12” threaded 10/22 pistol barrels. Sell them for $100. Do a form 1 and ba da bing- SBR. I will take two; a standard barrel w front sight and threads and a .920 threaded barrel.

Threaded Charger takedowns come with a 9in threaded barrel and are ~$325ish.
That plus a Magpul X-22 backpacker stock for $100ish and a $200 Form 1 stamp = 9in threaded takedown 10/22 SBR for ~$650ish?

Seems perfect to me!

[whomever]

"I wish Ruger would just make some 10” or 12” threaded 10/22 pistol barrels. Sell them for $100"

These folks:

https://sapoutfitters.com/product-category/ruger-10-22/barrels/

frequently have various 10/22 takeoffs (as of this instant, that includes some charger barrels, but their inventory turns over pretty fast).




(coupla random thoughts on the original question:
1)A charger pistol with one of these (and a brace) makes a pretty nice combo:
https://coppercustom.com/copper-custom-ruger-22-charger-ar-pistol-brace-adapter
2)If the intent is to have a suppressed rifle without the unwieldy length of a 16 inch barrel plus several inches of suppressor, the 'barrel shroud'/'fixed suppressor cover'/whatever is pretty slick. For example:
https://tacticalsol.com/Products.aspx?CAT=13416
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016656526
It kinda looks like they are getting out of that business, alas - they used to have various AR and 10/22 options. I'm surprised more companies don't get on that bandwagon; it doesn't seem hard to pin a thin aluminum tube to a 10 inch barrel. If the intent is to always use it suppressed, it's a non-NFA gun without many downsides relative to an actual SBR.)

[jandbj]

Having trouble dragging and dropping my images here... but, I think the answers above regarding red tape and additional costs imposed by same are the primary reasons.

As a “stamp collector” with cans and such, I SBR’d an AR, a S&W 15/22, & a Contender. But for my 10/22 shorty desires, I went the braced Charger route with a 4.5” barrel (most bulkpack ammo stays subsonic at this length) and an SWR can that ends up about the same length as the stock 10” barrel. About the only thing I will change is switching to either the KAK 2m brace or the SB 1913 folder at some point. Gun fits in a tennis racket bag as it sits now, would fit in a briefcase or messenger bag with a folder.

My Charger pics are in the Contender thread in the revolver section.

[jc000]

https://www.silencershop.com/tacsol-x-ring-takedown-sbr.html

Whoa, I'm in lust! That bad boy deserves a picture!

44818

[Poconnor]

With the Ruger 10/22 the barrel is easy to swap. Ruger could side step the class three inventory issue by making 10” charger barrels with sights and threaded for a can. I know I could just buy a takeoff barrel and have it cut but it get expensive quick. Ruger could do it cheap.

[coldcase1984]

45314May very well drop my SBRed 10/22 into this TN-made product:https://enoch-industries.com

Check out the site and you'll see they are selling 6- & 9-in. LW threaded barrels made for them by TacSol in the $200s.https://enoch-industries.com/product/6-inch-22-lr-pistol-barrel/

Or might just build a pistol version based on the Brownell's 10/22 clone receiver...

Then put my SBR back in its original walnut stock.

[jandbj]

45314May very well drop my SBRed 10/22 into this TN-made product:https://enoch-industries.com

Check out the site and you'll see they are selling 6- & 9-in. LW threaded barrels made for them by TacSol in the $200s.https://enoch-industries.com/product/6-inch-22-lr-pistol-barrel/

Or might just build a pistol version based on the Brownell's 10/22 clone receiver...

Then put my SBR back in its original walnut stock.

1913 brace found used at arfcom, and a FarrowTech adapter inbound for my Charger now.
It should be the shiznit! Pics when complete.

[jandbj]

No SBR stamp for this Charger.