California Adopts Broadest US Rules for Seizing Guns

[Amp]

Jerry Brown vetoed this twice.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a law that will make the state the first to allow employers, co-workers and teachers to seek gun violence restraining orders against other people.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/California-Adopts-Broadest-US-Rules-for-Seizing-Guns-562835041.html

[Suvorov]

But if you steal a gun less than $900 value you get a slap on the wrist.

Bad things are going to happen and the media will remain silent.

[Amp]

What happened to due process?

[eb07]

Well, it begins in California.

A little reading on where this is going:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union


Political abuse of psychiatry is the misuse of psychiatric diagnosis, detention and treatment for the purposes of obstructing the fundamental human rights of certain groups and individuals in a society

[Darth_Uno]

What happened to due process?

No time for that! These are guns we're talking about!

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

There are certain things I miss about living in California... the gun laws definitely aren't one of them.

[Greg]

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Sincerely,
America

[Suvorov]

No time for that! These are guns we're talking about!

Worse than that - these are people who have demonstrated by owning guns that they are not compatible with the political ideology of the Kalifornia Utopia

[ranger]

Its for the children!

[0ddl0t]

Also signed a law limiting firearm purchases to 1 per month (a law previously in place only for handguns) and long guns to age 21+

But those are just the tip of the iceberg. If I do not want to renew a tenant's lease after the end of their term I now have to pay them to move! And I have to now accept section 8 vouchers, even though it is a lot more work for me (that I cannot charge extra for) and can only increase rents 5% per year even though my rents have been flat since the great recession. And if I want to build a new house, I have to put $40,000 worth of solar on it even though I live in an area where we have these giant things called trees that shade our roofs...

[Zincwarrior]

It will be interesting to see if this survives legal challenge.

[CS Tactical]

And CCW Fees can increase at the discretion of the issuing agency :mad:

[Darth_Uno]

Worse than that - these are people who have demonstrated by owning guns that they are not compatible with the political ideology of the Kalifornia Utopia


No time for that! These are guns gun owners we're talking about!

Fixed it for myself.

Illinois has had a red flag law on the books for about a year now. I'm not aware of any egregious offenses (not that the media would report it) but it's not as broad as CA's new deal.

[Sero Sed Serio]

A small part of my firm's business involves protective order cases. I routinely see protective orders granted even though the complaint, on its face and before it's contested, does not meet the required elements. A few instances that I have recently seen personally:


Numerous injunctions against harassment (non-family relationships) granted based on a single incident, even though the statute requires two separate and distinct incidents

Mom's new boyfriend truthfully telling her son that his father had been discharged from the military due to a felony conviction considered a "harassing incident"

A federal police officer who had to resign from his job because his ex-wife sought an order of protection (family/romantic relationships) because, in a parenting e-mail he wrote that she was "weak" and that weak attitudes like hers were the reason that terrorist organizations were killing people around the world

An order of protection granted against a woman's brother because he didn't follow the rules for signing in/out of a group home and because he was "snarly" towards the caretakers. Their father is in hospice, and is likely to die before the hearing, meaning that the OOP will probably prevent brother from ever seeing his father again.

An injunction against harassment granted against a junior high student for giving a classmate a titty-twister in gym class, without a second harassing incident alleged


Judges will almost universally grant any half-asssed petition for a protective order, rather than risk denying it and ending up on the front page of the paper if the person requesting the order later gets murdered. Only after an order is granted, served, and contested will any judicial authority even pretend to consider the case on its merits.
Typically in cases where there are cross-orders, both will be upheld, even though one or both do not meet the legal standard.

I have never seen attorneys fees granted or any other punitive measure taken for filing petitions that don't meet the requirements, and it probably almost never happens due to concerns of having a "chilling effect" on people seeking protective orders. Unless someone openly admits to perjury with malicious intent, there is virtually no chance of any sort of consequence for filing a false/deficient petition.

I can almost guarantee that petitions to seize firearms will result in an even more "better safe than sorry" attitude to stretching/blatantly ignoring the requirements of the law.

[Poconnor]

I had a female felon request a PFA on her felon boyfriend. They met at the probation/parole office. He was violated back to state prison right away. Right before his preliminary hearing the “victim” admitted it was all a lie; that the injuries she had were from a fight with another woman at the club over said boyfriend. No charges for her and he stayed in prison. I’m sure these red flag laws will not be abused. How soon before gun owners are required to wear a symbol? Maybe they will just put it on our drivers licenses

[blues]

https://i.imgflip.com/3d2oxw.jpg

[Darth_Uno]

How soon before gun owners are required to wear a symbol? Maybe they will just put it on our drivers licenses

We'll start our own country, with blackjack and hookers. And suppressors.

[Sero Sed Serio]

We'll start our own country, with blackjack and hookers. And suppressors.

I’m here to apply for the cabinet position?

[Totem Polar]

Any time both gun rights groups and the ACLU cone down on the same side as vehemently opposed to a thing, it’s a pretty good sign that said thing is all kinds of fucked up. JMO.

[GardoneVT]

I’m curious what is intended to be seized. Law abiding CA folk aren’t generally permitted weaponry, and the criminals are needed to funnel money to local politicians. That last bit is only slight sarcasm.

[45dotACP]

Fixed it for myself.

Illinois has had a red flag law on the books for about a year now. I'm not aware of any egregious offenses (not that the media would report it) but it's not as broad as CA's new deal.

Considering my unit in an IL hospital had three people in the last three weeks threaten to go on a spree shooting, I wouldn't have minded having the ability to completely fuck over someone's day for coming into my hospital and behaving like a dick.

All three assholes were merely escorted off premises. One was even allowed to come back to visit their dying spouse. I am doubtful any gun laws would prevent them from following through, but having the cops show up at their house in front of their neighbors and take their guns would even the scales in my mind.

Call me petty, but threaten my coworkers and my patients and I'll use everything I've got to fuck over your whole year. And yeah, I'd insist in you get trespassed from my hospital while your spouse dies. You can read the papers for the obituary and contemplate your stupidity on the tree of woe.

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[Suvorov]

While the Red Flag laws make the big news, the General Secretary of the Democratic Peoples Party signed 15 (count em Fifteen) gun control laws today.


Newsom signed:

AB 12 by Assemblymember Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks) extends the duration of a gun violence restraining order (GVRO) (AKA "red flag law") to a maximum of five years instead of one year.
AB 61 by Assemblymember Philip Ting (D-San Francisco) allows an employer, coworker, employee or teacher to file a petition requesting that your guns be confiscated without due process.
AB 164 by Assemblymember Sabrina Cervantes (D-Riverside) holds any person subject to a valid restraining order, injunction, or protective order issued out of state to the same restrictions on buying or possessing firearms in California as they are under in the state where the order or injunction is operative.
AB 339 by Assemblymember Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks) requires law enforcement agencies to develop and adopt written policies and standards regarding the use of gun violence restraining orders.
AB 521 by Assemblymember Marc Berman (D-Palo Alto) requires the University of California to develop a training programs for doctors on the "prevention of firearm-related injury and death."
AB 645 by Assemblymember Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks) requires firearms packaging to contain even more redundant warning statements on suicide prevention, increasing the cost to sell the product to the consumer.
AB 879 by Assemblymember Mike Gipson (D-Carson) requires that the sale of firearm "precursor parts" (80% lowers, AK flats etc) be conducted through a licensed firearm precursor part vendor. The author, as judged by prior introduction of a similar bill during the previous session, more than likely intends to have ALL firearms related parts to be classified as "precursor parts."
AB 893 by Assemblymember Todd Gloria (D-San Diego) prohibits the sale of firearms and ammunition at the Del Mar Fairgrounds in the San Diego.
AB 1297 by Assemblymember Kevin McCarty (D-Sacramento) eliminates the existing $100 limit on processing fees for concealed firearm licenses, meaning local sheriffs can charge as much as they'd like.
AB 1493 by Assemblymember Philip Ting (D-San Francisco) authorizes a person who is the subject of a gun violence restraining order to submit a form to the court voluntarily relinquishing their firearm rights.
AB 1548 by Assemblymember Jesse Gabriel (D-Encino) codifies the California State Nonprofit Security Grant Program to "improve the physical security of nonprofit organizations that are at high risk of violent attacks or hate crimes due to ideology, beliefs, or mission."
AB 1603 by Assemblymember Buffy Wicks (D-Oakland) codifies the California Violence Intervention and Prevention Grant Program to "help reduce violence in communities that are disproportionately impacted by violence."
AB 1669 by Assemblymember Rob Bonta (D-Alameda) updates existing law by applying the same gun show regulations that already apply to firearms dealers to ammunition vendors as well.
SB 61 by Senator Anthony Portantino (D-La Cañada Flintridge) prohibits the sale of a semiautomatic centerfire rifle to any person under 21 years of age.
SB 376 by Senator Anthony Portantino (D-La Cañada Flintridge) limits the number of personally-owned firearms an individual can sell without a license.


So yeah - there are a lot of Republicans that suck and pay lip service to the 2A, but this is what happens when the Democrats get complete control of the state. :mad: Remember that when you all in "Free States" go to the voting booth because as our Glorious Comrade Governor has stated "As California goes, so goes the nation."

[BehindBlueI's]

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) opposed the bill, saying it "poses a significant threat to civil liberties" because a restraining order can be sought before a gun owner has an opportunity to dispute the request.

Additionally, those making a request under the new law may "lack the relationship or skills required to make an appropriate assessment," the ACLU said. - Fox news

I haven't seen the details, but if the ACLU is actually worried about the 2nd amendment it must be pretty bad. Perhaps I've missed it, but I've never seen them worry about 2nd amendment issues before.

[JohnO]

Due to the Connecticut gun laws if someone is the recipient of a Red Flag restraining order and an owner of Banned & Registered weapons the guns are gone forever!

As it was explained to me if your guns are seized they must be transferred out of your name. No matter the outcome there is no way under the CT law to transfer back guns banned under current law. Therefore if you have a nice collection of registered AR's and other CT defined Assault Weapons someone can literally drop a dime and ream you anally with no lube.

These types of laws will ultimately result in someone getting killed. The possibilities of unintended consequences are numerous.

[Suvorov]

Due to the Connecticut gun laws if someone is the recipient of a Red Flag restraining order and an owner of Banned & Registered weapons the guns are gone forever!


It's almost as if they planned it this way! :confused::mad:

[HopetonBrown]

I haven't seen the details, but if the ACLU is actually worried about the 2nd amendment it must be pretty bad. Perhaps I've missed it, but I've never seen them worry about 2nd amendment issues before.

They were against people on the no-fly/terror watch list being stopped from buying guns.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/discriminatory-profiling/use-error-prone-and-unfair-watchlists-not-way

[JohnO]

Apparently one can say NOTHING in public.


Nichols said he was unimpressed with the Tisbury School resource officer’s alleged trips to Xtra Mart to get coffee when children came to school in the morning. While dining at Linda Jean’s a couple of weeks ago, Nichols said he told a friend about this and suggested somebody could “shoot up the school” in that officer’s absence, which he described as “leaving his post.”

Crossing guard relieved of duty, guns seized
https://www.mvtimes.com/2019/10/11/crossing-guard-relieved-duty-guns-seized/?fbclid=IwAR3Se_s6WEM7eZ7WURV1VmbJENPdHMDt0kYra_IA yA3M3VurmhJ4qKwW9VM

[blues]

That's pathetic.

[Totem Polar]

https://techweez.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/thought-police.jpg

[fly out]

- Fox news

I haven't seen the details, but if the ACLU is actually worried about the 2nd amendment it must be pretty bad. Perhaps I've missed it, but I've never seen them worry about 2nd amendment issues before.

This joke is almost old enough to be one of blues' but, you know how the ACLU counts to ten, don't you? "One, three, four, five..."

[blues]

This joke is almost old enough to be one of blues' but, you know how the ACLU counts to ten, don't you? "One, three, four, five..."

Et tu, Brute?

;)