On WA state I-1639 compliance: how the good and brilliant deal with this shit. :D

[Totem Polar]

WA state P-F'ers; do this online course. You will be eligible for buying "semi-auto assault rifles" (eg. Ruger 10/22, 1918 Browning SA-22) again in just a couple of minutes, unless you get pulled in by a few of the youtube vids they posted along the way, as I did.

Everyone else, you should "take the class," if only for the brilliance and entertaining satire, as well as the info on how we got here ("here" being the recipients of what is largely regarded as one of the more restrictive gun control initiatives in the US, last year...), and what's coming in other states. Plus, the downloadable 'cert at the end is one of the best 'certs you can currently get in a gun class; suitable for framing, IMHO.

Seriously, this dealership in Vancouver, WA wins the internet for July 2019.

Check it, if you have a minute:

https://sporting-systems.com/free-1639-training/


EVERYONE: if you really are pissed at the current NRA/WLP/Marion/videogamlawguy/et al., please, please consider sending this year's donations to:

https://www.gofundme.com/1639-legal-defense-fund

"Gun Rights Organizations to support in Washington

Second Amendment Foundation has 30-40 lawsuits pending at any given time, they fight nationally but are leading the 1639 challenge locally and fought with the NRA to defeat 1639.

This GoFundMe has raised over $100,000 to fight 1639 at the ballot box and is now solely focused on supporting the legal effort to take down 1639 piece by piece.

Local Gun Shops and Ranges that are actively in the fight, testifying in legislature, producing pro firearm videos, raising funds and rallying for Pro 2A causes"

https://sporting-systems.com/
https://www.sharpshooting.net/
https://www.rehvarms.com/
https://www.anniesjewelryandpawn.com/
https://washingtonarmscollectors.org/


WA state may have been thrown under the bus by a handful of billionaires and a kind-hearted, but woefully under-educated voting public, but that doesn't mean that *everyone* won't benefit from parts of this law getting put in the dirt by lawsuit action and the courts.

Buy an intern an apartment for a month, or help unscrew this lame-ass lightbulb in WA state. Simple, really.

:)

[Totem Polar]

I should add that no state/gov entity gets the certificates or class record. Just a gun store that gets it. :cool:

[whomever]

Heh, that's awesome!

But does it meet the legal requirement? 1639 reads:

"The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or
municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a
nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers
firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a
certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training
included the minimum requirements"

The closes match seems to be "or a firearms training school with instructors certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training."

From their website, it isn't obvious that 'Sporting Systems' is 'a firearms training school', or that their instructors are certified by blah blah.

On firearms issues, I tend to be a worrywart, i.e. I imagine myself being prosecuted by a politically ambitious Seattle D.A. who is also a member of the local Moms Demand chapter. Quibbling about whether the class I took meets the requirements seems like an avoidable risk. If I take a 1639 course I'd want whoever is giving it to clearly be 'a firearms training school' and to have instructors that at least say they have NRA or whatever certification.

(Heck, I have NRA certifications, I should open a school!)


ETA: if Wayne could stir himself, clearly the NRA is a 'nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training' and could do a free 1639 course. I'd volunteer to teach.

[Borderland]

ETA: if Wayne could stir himself, clearly the NRA is a 'nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training'

Mostly, the NRA isn't interested in squashing 1639 type legislation or any legislation that requires training. That be the business the NRA is in. That and selling carry insurance to the newly minted permit holders after they are trained.

The NRA is a turn-key organization.

[Drang]

ETA: if Wayne could stir himself, clearly the NRA is a 'nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
'training' and could do a free 1639 course. I'd volunteer to teach.

NRA policy has always been that it will not get involved in mandatory training for legal requirements.

[Totem Polar]

Heh, that's awesome!

But does it meet the legal requirement? 1639 reads:

"The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or
municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a
nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers
firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a
certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training
included the minimum requirements"


When you get your certificate, the course instructor’s name (from the store) and NRA instructor # is on it. He also explains that he got approved by the state to offer the course.

Moreover, there are no records kept by the state, or any requirements to turn in a certificate. The law (as quoted above) requires only that you check a box on a new state form swearing under penalty of perjury that you have taken a "class meeting the requirements under RCW blah blah..."

I filled out the new form today, for a purchase unrelated to long guns. I was told by my LGS that people are already buying semi-autos in WA state, using this course to fulfill the letter of the law, as written.

[Drang]

The Washington Arms Collectors.org/ (https://washingtonarmscollectors.org/) is doing testing at shows, free for members, no help for those on the East Side of the state. (Although they have been trying to sponsor, or co-sponsor, shows on the East Side for years.)
The F•A•S - The Firearms Academy of Seattle, Inc. (https://firearmsacademy.com/) has a class, $50, and you get a certificate for $50 off a class at the end. I actually thought this one was good, although the requirement is utter BS.

[idahojess]

Ranch and Home in Kennewick is offering free classes (through Practical Edge shooting -- which is a good outfit with mostly police instructors).
I've also seen local classes offered over here further east for $25 -- so the price is creeping down. I did see an article in the Skagit Valley Herald that said that the Sedro-Woolley PD actually offered a free class.

[Borderland]

NRA policy has always been that it will not get involved in mandatory training for legal requirements.

NRA training meets the 1639 requirements. The NRA may disassociate themselves by stating that they are not specifically training to meet any mandated requirements, but when I read something like this, I think you're GTG.



....a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training.


I think all they mean by their policy is they won't give you a cert that says you have met the 1639 requirements.

These new laws in WA have become the butt of many jokes in the shooting community. This is one of them. When someone gets prosecuted for using an online course to purchase and they get acquitted, it will prove just how ridiculous this law is. The voters of WA have lost their freakin minds.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

NRA policy has always been that it will not get involved in mandatory training for legal requirements.

Not really relevant for WA, but way back when, I got a OR license and the NRA Personal Protection Handgun course met the requirement for the mandated training.

[HCM]

42324

[Totem Polar]

The sad part is that one could move that wall over to within 80 miles of the coastline, and still take care of business.

[Suvorov]

The sad part is that one could move that wall over to within 80 miles of the coastline, and still take care of business.

I-5 is pretty much the right line.

[Drang]

ETA: if Wayne could stir himself, clearly the NRA is a 'nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms
training' and could do a free 1639 course. I'd volunteer to teach.


NRA policy has always been that it will not get involved in mandatory training for legal requirements.


Not really relevant for WA, but way back when, I got a OR license and the NRA Personal Protection Handgun course met the requirement for the mandated training.

I get what you're saying, but there's a difference between local authoritarians authorities saying "This sounds like a good, long, inconvenient course to keep the peasants in line" and the NRA saying "Gee, an opportunity!"

[Totem Polar]

As an aside, the owner of my favorite LGS is the guy who turned me on to the online course. He made the observation that all the places throwing together a free, cheesy, letter-of-the-law course to meet the requirements have the right idea. Anyone looking to profit from this abomination is, frankly, part of the problem. I tend to agree.

[Borderland]

I-5 is pretty much the right line.

Here in WA it's the Cascades. Once you go over the pass you might as well be in another state.

Everything west of the Cascades is very Blue politically.

[Totem Polar]

Here in WA it's the Cascades. Once you go over the pass you might as well be in another state.

Everything west of the Cascades is very Blue politically.

That’s right. But as soon as you cross over snoqualmie pass to the dry side (+/- 60 miles), election-year I90 starts to look like a luge run sponsored by Trump. Same state, different planets.

[RevolverRob]

I’m certified! We’re safer already.

42336

[Totem Polar]

RevolverRob: making things safe for WA residents, and right with the universe.

:)

Dope cert, too. I love the bold part...

[Borderland]

I’m certified! We’re safer already.

42336

Can you officiate a marriage also? Seems that should be included in the cert. somehow.

[rathos]

Except Spokane county...


That’s right. But as soon as you cross over snoqualmie pass to the dry side (+/- 60 miles), election-year I90 starts to look like a luge run sponsored by Trump. Same state, different planets.