Sig P365 SAS

[GJM]

Let the fun begin...

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

[psalms144.1]

When it's available in Rainbow Titanium, I'm down...

Or, we could nuke Exeter from orbit. I'll take the latter...

[Mike C]

Let the fun begin...

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

I'll play. These idiots will never learn. Guess they discontinued the X-Carry to make room for this model. Next it will be the rainbow edition.

[LOKNLOD]

Let the fun begin...

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html


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[JSGlock34]

That sight is...different. Can't help but think of the ASP and the Guttersnipe sight.

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[GJM]

https://youtu.be/snfQPzglBn0

[flyrodr]

That'll go well with my Colt New Agent with the "gutter sight". No, wait, I had to put irons on it to make any effective hits.

But maybe the SAS will make red dots obsolete! Darn, and I just put a red dot on my P365.

Some of us are just so out of touch with reality.

[cornstalker]

Bordering on ridiculous. No, wait.......just plain ridiculous.

[El Cid]

Um... wow.

They’ll need Pincus or Yeager to help sell them. Lol!

Guess it will co-witness under a red dot? But it needs a red dot with a light under it to shine on the “irons.” ;)

[LittleLebowski]

Mumbai or New Delhi?

[HCountyGuy]

Seriously Sig...what the hell....

When I read P365 SAS I was hoping for a non-railed and more rounded version like previous SAS models. It's something I really wanted them to do with the P320 for a carry option for those who don't really want an accessory rail.

But this? This is an abomination and it should be purged with fire along with those who designed, proposed and signed off on it.

[cornstalker]

But this? This is an abomination and it should be purged with fire along with those who designed, proposed and signed off on it.

And buried next to the Taurus Curve...

[ChaseN]

When I read P365 SAS I was hoping for a non-railed and more rounded version like previous SAS models.

Huh, when I read P365 SAS I thought, what the hell snags on a 365? Certainly isn't the rail.....or really anything else except potentially the sights which to their credit now that I think about it, they removed I guess?

[LOKNLOD]

I think the sight thing is a cool enough idea, for someone to try out. Points for some imagination.

My real worry is that a snag-free 365 is just going to encourage knowledgeable people to pocket-carry a striker gun with "very shootable" trigger.

[BillSWPA]

What a great idea: take an accurate, easy to shoot gun, remove the usable sights, and add something with zero sight radius. Then add porting to make shooting from retention more fun.



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[0ddl0t]

I am unable to see the video right now, would someone please tell me how that front sight works?

[LockedBreech]

"There's no front sight on this pistol, because that's a snag point."

lolololololol

"As you'll notice, there's no steering wheel on this car, because that's a snag point."

My SP2022 re-purchase will be my last time buying a Sig for a loooong time. They're just fancier Taurus at this point.

[Redhat]

365 SAS...Um...no

[ViniVidivici]

Point of personal priveIedge, I am insulted by their marketing gimmicks!

[Duelist]

It seems to be missing something. Or Things.

[cornstalker]

I am unable to see the video right now, would someone please tell me how that front sight works?

No, because there isn't one.

[HopetonBrown]

I am unable to see the video right now, would someone please tell me how that front sight works?https://youtu.be/2_5wc6WQCdw

[BobLoblaw]

Fine, I’ll say it. Designed for anuses by anuses.

[FrankB]

Well... Sig offers the P938 and P238 in 100 different flavors*, but SAS never meant no sights with those pistols. A proper sized Nemesis pocket holster doesn’t snag, and neither does kydex. They’ll probably sell a few of these to the Seecamp lovers. Ruger sold a zillion LCP’s with next to zero sights. I don’t recall seeing John Wayne or Wyatt Earp use pistol sights. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

*Sig offers many of their pistols in an array of flavors.

[0ddl0t]

I am unable to see the video right now, would someone please tell me how that front sight works?

For anyone else also unable to play videos: you center the "front" dot inside the "rear" circle.
https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sight.jpg

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gear-review-meprolight-ft-bullseye-sight/

[YVK]

Not having a pistol at all solves snagging problem 100%. But don't be such haters. With a ported barrel on a slide that short the flash won't let you see the front sight anyway.

[Drang]

Point of personal privilege, I am triggered by their marketing gimmicks!

FIFY, and you have to say it in a really whiny voice.

[Clusterfrack]

For anyone else also unable to play videos: you center the "front" dot inside the "rear" circle.
https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sight.jpg


The smooth slide is cool but not being able to see the front sight at the front end of the gun will eliminate a flash sight picture. I’ll pass on that.

[Vandal320]

Hard pass...

[MGW]

Glad to see Sig has narrowed down their sku’s and focused on quality 🙄

[Zman001]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to hold off until sig releases the legion version of this gun so I can look super cool with my legion umbrella and legion aviatiors.

[pew_pew]

I hate Sig.... so much.

[kjr_29]

https://youtu.be/2_5wc6WQCdw

I was able to see these sights in person at SHOT Show 2017. Pretty innovative product from the Mako Group\Meprolight. Interesting to see it adopted in an OEM platform.


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[Hambo]

The sight is sort of interesting in that it's like a MRDS, except that you can't see your target because the slide obscures it.

If it doesn't say "West Germany" next to "SIG" on the slide, I'm not buying it.

[Drifting Fate]

On one hand, we bemoan the lack of innovation in the gun industry and then berate someone for trying something new.

On the other hand, I threw up a bit in my mouth when I saw this.

This isn't how one innovates.

[Greg]

I’m saving my coin for the Nightmare Xtreme Scorpion Punisher version.

You have to believe Sig Sauer in Germany wants to see Sig N.H. nuked from orbit more than anyone else.

[Zman001]

I’m saving my coin for the Nightmare Xtreme Scorpion Punisher version.


https://youtu.be/2r_8Wf8nRr8

[BillSWPA]

I pocket carry a standard P365 five days each week. Snagging conventional sights is a complete non-issue, as it has been with every other pistol I have ever carried.



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[Guinnessman]

I pocket carry a standard P365 five days each week. Snagging conventional sights is a complete non-issue, as it has been with every other pistol I have ever carried.



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Do you carry a real gun on the other two days?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[spinmove_]

SIG is gonna SIG and they just Cohen’d all over the place with this ridiculous monstrosity. I’ll continue to not buy anything SIG until Ron no longer works for the company.


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[LSP552]

I have a sad. But I’d be will to bet SIG sells enough of them to make a profit. They could become preferred for covert Wal-Mart parking lot carry....

[JBP55]

Hard Pass.

[Trooper224]

I need to go have a Sig and wipe my Cohen.

[CCT125US]

I need to go have a Sig and wipe my Cohen.

My laughter scared the dog.

[Hieronymous]

It had taken me YEARS to be open to Sig again. Frankly, only the amazingly appealing design of the P365 once again got me on board. This post has me full of regret.

[Totem Polar]

My laughter scared the dog.

I admit to letting a chuckle escape my inside voice.

As an aside, if you say "wipe my Cohen hole" quickly, everyone just thinks you’re from the south.

[LOKNLOD]

I admit to letting a chuckle escape my inside voice.

As an aside, if you say "wipe my Cohen hole" quickly, everyone just thinks you’re from the south.

Raise your and if you said that out loud when you read it...

*raises hand*

[Oukaapie]

I’ve tried those sights and did not care for them. Not amazing but suck less than you might think.

For guys that shoot little and can’t align sights for shit may actually find these more intuitive.

[JHC]

https://youtu.be/snfQPzglBn0

Metal on meat baby!!!

[Leroy Suggs]

It had taken me YEARS to be open to Sig again. Frankly, only the amazingly appealing design of the P365 once again got me on board. This post has me full of regret.

This exactly.

[El Cid]

Someone should email Mr Strader or Mr Cohen and ask how they’d run that gun if one hand is injured. Lol! Most makers now understand that the rear sight (or optic) needs a shelf for one handed racking of the slide. This thing not only lacks the sight, but the way they configured the controls it must be slingshot to release the slide. :rolleyes:

[Grey]

I saw this featured on soldier systems daily... really made my respect drop a few points... slide lock/release FLUSH...wtf. maybe this is actual 4d chess where all the fudds buy it and realize what a pos it is and sig had upgrade parts they can buy to return controls to normal sizes and a new slide with front sight...

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[0ddl0t]

I doubt I'd care for the sights, but having never shot a ported barrel I would like to see how much difference in muzzle rise it makes. I do wonder how much it will lower muzzle velocities from the 3" barrel. As it is, one must be selective with defensive ammo to ensure they'll have proper expansion.


Someone should email Mr Strader or Mr Cohen and ask how they’d run that gun if one hand is injured. Lol! Most makers now understand that the rear sight (or optic) needs a shelf for one handed racking of the slide. This thing not only lacks the sight, but the way they configured the controls it must be slingshot to release the slide. :rolleyes:
Aside from the front of the slide above the muzzle, you've also got 2 cuts in the slide for ports from which you can use your belt or table edge to rack.


I saw this featured on soldier systems daily... really made my respect drop a few points... slide lock/release FLUSH...wtf.

I'm intrigued by the flush controls - I wouldn't mind trying them out. The #1 complaint on the Sig forum with the P365 is from people with a high grip that prevents slide lock. Frankly, during normal shooting you don't ever need to manually engage slide lock or mess with the takedown lever so I don't object to those controls requiring a bit more dexterity.

The loss of slide release is a slight downside for me - I find it faster than slingshotting - though if they made the slide autoforward upon insertion of a loaded mag this would not be an issue. So the only real downside with flush controls while shooting is if you get a type 3 malfunction and need to lock the slide back to clear it.

[Grey]

I've been in zero gun fights and I don't ever plan to be in one. But if I need to manipulate something I want all the access to the controls I can get, no matter what the platform.

[El Cid]

I doubt I'd care for the sights, but having never shot a ported barrel I would like to see how much difference in muzzle rise it makes. I do wonder how much it will lower muzzle velocities from the 3" barrel. As it is, one must be selective with defensive ammo to ensure they'll have proper expansion.


Aside from the front of the slide above the muzzle, you've also got 2 cuts in the slide for ports from which you can use your belt or table edge to rack.



Looking at the pics, what you suggest will be very difficult in my experience. And that’s on a calm, flat range. Doing that while injured, under extreme stress would be pure fantasy in my opinion. We train with one hand duct taped around a tennis ball. It does more to vet your gun and gear than anything I’ve tried. It’s one reason I prefer the half moon cut on the Gen 5 Glocks. It’s also why it was brought back to Glocks and the Gen 5 floor plates were redesigned. It makes me sad Glock gave in to the internet commandos who cried about their sensitive pinky fingers.

But as Grey stated - lots of folks will buy one of these ridiculous guns, shoot a box or two of ammo through it at an air conditioned range, and declare it a great gun. Lol!

[Olim9]

I don’t think the SAS excluded sights on all their weapons, Sig.

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[HopetonBrown]

I’ve tried those sights and did not care for them. Not amazing but suck less than you might think.

For guys that shoot little and can’t align sights for shit may actually find these more intuitive.You haven't tried them flush cut into the slide tho.

[Hambo]

On one hand, we bemoan the lack of innovation in the gun industry and then berate someone for trying something new.

Two problems with that statement. One, given the choice between quality and innovation, I'll take quality every time. Two, this isn't new. This is the Mag-na-port Backpacker in semiautomatic, or the Taurus Curve, or the Kimber RCP II, or whoever else felt that sights are unnecessary. Which goes to your point about how not to innovate. Most of what passes for "innovation" in firearms today, isn't. It's recycling an idea the way networks recycle TV programs.

[Totem Polar]

I doubt I'd care for the sights, but having never shot a ported barrel I would like to see how much difference in muzzle rise it makes. I do wonder how much it will lower muzzle velocities from the 3" barrel. As it is, one must be selective with defensive ammo to ensure they'll have proper expansion.


The good news: two side ports up front shouldn’t vampire too much velocity.

The bad news: porting a gun that might see use from retention is retarded, IMHO.

[Oukaapie]

You haven't tried them flush cut into the slide tho.

True that.

[HeavyDuty]

Back when I first crawled out of the ocean onto dry land, I blew an inordinate amount of my then trivial net worth on a ASP with the Guttersnipe sight. Really cool, too bad the sight worked for shit. This might be an improvement, though.

[CCT125US]

On my USP/c, the front sight, and huge boat oar sized slide release has been used quite a bit. Not once have I thought, "wow, it would be nice if those didn't exist".

[GJM]

I have been away from this thread all day, away at a match. You guys are easily entertained. ;)

Only thing missing was a body language analysis of Phil Strader doing the intro video, to see if he felt dirty flogging this thing.

[Grey]

I have been away from this thread all day, away at a match. You guys are easily entertained. ;)

Only thing missing was a body language analysis of Phil Strader doing the intro video, to see if he felt dirty flogging this thing.Some of us barely shoot and are here for the giggles.

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[SAWBONES]

That sight is...different. Can't help but think of the ASP and the Guttersnipe sight.

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Judging from Sig's website pictures, it appears to have an even shorter effective sight radius than Paris Theodore's creation!

Good for shooting at about arm's length. Terrible.

(They do mention "real word (sic) engagement distances", after all. :p)

[El Cid]

I have been away from this thread all day, away at a match. You guys are easily entertained. ;)

Only thing missing was a body language analysis of Phil Strader doing the intro video, to see if he felt dirty flogging this thing.

Lol! I shot a match today too. But I’m a few time zones ahead of you. And Phil should feel dirty. ;)

[BillSWPA]

I am all for innovation, but have yet to see a sight other than a red dot or laser that works better than conventional iron sights. When the innovation is to try to make a gun less likely to snag by making the sights less usable, that is a step backward.



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[Doc_Glock]

Haven’t read other replies, but my first thoughts are: WTF, and Jumped the Shark.

[BK14]

To clarify, I think the idea is awful. I want better sights not worse. I want easily reached controls, not tiny ones. I’ve seen enough guys cut down controls on their gun and have issues down the road that I don’t have any desire to do so. Over riding a slide stop is not nearly as big of a deal as not being able to control your gun in my mind.

Re: one handed racking. I used to think I needed a huge rear ledge until training with Bill Blowers. He’s got a pretty unique technique that’s worth playing around with. Albeit maybe not gonna work in certain contexts, but fixing the gun in some of those situations (ECQC) might not be the priority.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2OcFcO_qCs

[El Cid]

Re: one handed racking. I used to think I needed a huge rear ledge until training with Bill Blowers. He’s got a pretty unique technique that’s worth playing around with. Albeit maybe not gonna work in certain contexts, but fixing the gun in some of those situations (ECQC) might not be the priority.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2OcFcO_qCs

I’ve seen that technique before and it works for me sometimes. I feel like clothing plays a larger variable than he appears to. As an example the basketball shorts I’m currently wearing are very smooth - almost a shiny nylon. I’d hate to have to use that technique right now. And what if the person forced to use one handed techniques has a leg injury or pants covered in blood, or some oily substance? What if the shooter is in an unorthodox position behind cover or seated in their vehicle? What if they are exhausted or have other injuries that don’t allow a proper strength push like he demos?

I want my technique and my gear to afford me the maximum ability to keep fighting in the worst case scenario. I train and compete a lot. I buy ammo by the case and pay out of pocket for classes with exceptional instructors. I still don’t find Bill’s technique to be the best answer for me. As an agency firearms instructor I have to teach people way less interested in training and shooting than I am. They don’t spend enough time on two handed shooting, much less one handed or injured shooter drills. Having a rear sight with a shelf is to me essential equipment. That’s doesn’t mean anyone else has to agree with me, but at the same time nobody will convince me Bill’s technique is a first choice for anyone unless they are on a full time tactical team or SOF. Even then I think those folks would be better served with a rear sight that allows racking.

With regard to the 365 SAS I don’t see any advantage there that makes giving up the ability to easily rack a slide using the sights even worth considering. YMMV.

[Trooper224]

I've carried guns for over three decades, in all manner of clothing and weather and I've never-ever had a sight snag on a garment. Hammers yes, but not sights. I really don't see the concern that makes something as extremely outside the box as this necessary.

[BillSWPA]

A big part of avoiding snagging is using good holsters. Before I knew better, I snagged a slide release of a Glock on the retention strap of a cheap nylon holster.

The hammer spur on a Colt Detective Special is a virtual fish hook. A cheap nylon retention strap can get folded up under the hammer spur in a way that causes the snap to catch when it hits the hammer. Again, good holster selection solves the problem.




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[LOKNLOD]

With no front sight, I wonder if this will be new GJM 's new bear-hunting gun.

[YVK]

I have been away from this thread all day, away at a match. You guys are easily entertained.

I'll be more entertained if you bought a 365XL SAS, which I am sure is coming soon.

[GJM]

I'll be more entertained if you bought a 365XL SAS, which I am sure is coming soon.

Dude, the target market for the 365 SAS and, I assume the forthcoming XL, is physicians.

[Clusterfrack]

Dude, the target market for the 365 SAS and, I assume the forthcoming XL, is physicians.

Maybe, but I think the target market is keister carry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8f9eT8ESE

[BK14]

I’ve seen that technique before and it works for me sometimes. I feel like clothing plays a larger variable than he appears to. As an example the basketball shorts I’m currently wearing are very smooth - almost a shiny nylon. I’d hate to have to use that technique right now. And what if the person forced to use one handed techniques has a leg injury or pants covered in blood, or some oily substance? What if the shooter is in an unorthodox position behind cover or seated in their vehicle?

I want my technique and my gear to afford me the maximum ability to keep fighting. I train and compete a lot. I buy ammo by the case and pay out of pocket for classes with exceptional instructors. I still don’t find Bill’s technique to be the best answer for me. As an agency firearms instructor I have to teach people way less interested in training and shooting than I am. They don’t spend enough time on two handed shooting, much less one handed or injured shooter drills. Having a rear sight with a shelf is to me essential equipment. That’s doesn’t mean anyone else has to agree with me, but at the same time nobody will convince me Bill’s technique is a first choice for anyone unless they are on a full time tactical team or SOF. Even then I think those folks would be better served with a rear sight that allows racking.

With regard to the 365 SAS I don’t see any advantage there that makes giving up the ability to easily rack a slide using the sights even worth considering. YMMV.


Again, I think this whole concept of removing sights is stupid. Every pistol I own has a ledged rear sight, and a requirement before I’d carry a gun on or off duty is that I’d have a ledged rear sight or RMR. Just sharing info that there’s other options out there besides a giant ledge that can be implemented since some out there would insinuagr that the lack of a ledge equaled sure death.

[Greg]

See, Robar could still be in business if they'd shown themselves to have THE Kiester Carry finish.

Better than Nitron..
Better than Tenifer...
Better than DLC....

FECALGUARD NP3

[Clusterfrack]

Brian Enos can market a new lube: Anus Slide Glide.

[YVK]

Dude, the target market for the 365 SAS and, I assume the forthcoming XL, is physicians.

Cause we're so awesome, we don't need no fucking sights to hit stuff.
Or we so fucking blind after eight years of post-doc training, no sights can help us.


I and Mrs. just finished a bottle of '14 Pinot so if you trolled me hard enough, I just might remove the front sight on my G48 and paint a small dot right in the middle of the rear.

[Doc_Glock]

Only thing missing was a body language analysis of Phil Strader doing the intro video, to see if he felt dirty flogging this thing.

I hear from many people how respected Phil is in the industry. At this point, I have to wonder if that reputation is in jeopardy.

[Hambo]

Maybe, but I think the target market is keister carry.

Perfect place to carry SIG's shit products.

[UniSol]

"There's no front sight on this pistol, because that's a snag point."

lolololololol

"As you'll notice, there's no steering wheel on this car, because that's a snag point."

My SP2022 re-purchase will be my last time buying a Sig for a loooong time. They're just fancier Taurus at this point.

I feel like the SP division has been laboring diligently, hidden, in an an obscure underground bunker since the late 90s, and Cohen missed it on his his inaugural tour of Sig....then one day: "Hey, who are these guys....this is who I almost went to prison for? There's only ONE version of it?????"

By the end of the day there are Rainbow X-treme 2022s chambered in .460 Rowland on shelves; a star is born.

[kwb377]

Reading through the lamenting and Sig hate in this thread led me to believe that Sig had discontinued every handgun in their line-up and replaced it with this single model.

Imagine my surprise when I checked their website and saw that they still offer not only the original P365, but numerous other models that lack the hated features of this gun.

I guess I don't understand the great gnashing of teeth over this.

[El Cid]

Reading through the lamenting and Sig hate in this thread led me to believe that Sig had discontinued every handgun in their line-up and replaced it with this single model.

Imagine my surprise when I checked their website and saw that they still offer not only the original P365, but numerous other models that lack the hated features of this gun.

I guess I don't understand the great gnashing of teeth over this.

Because (at least for me), many of us are old enough to remember when Sig was reputable company making quality weapons. Now they have 10 versions of everything (thus the titanium rainbow jokes), they are trying to get into too many markets (scopes, suppressors, ammo, etc.), and they lied/covered up a flaw with the P320 that could’ve killed people. Their quality has dropped because of all that - how many people had issues with flaking finish and crooked front sights on their Legion pistols a couple years ago? The gun that was supposed to be their premier line.

Oh and their CEO was indicted recently in Europe for violations of their version of ITAR. If I was looking to buy a Sig I’d try to find one that said “Made in W. Germany” on the side.

[kwb377]

I'm old enough to remember the "good ole days" too...I've carried a 226, 220 and 229 on duty at some point over the years. I carry a 320 now...I shoot it better, the trigger is much better, and it works just as well.

In fact, my W. German 220 had a 20lb. DA trigger w/ an 8 lb. SA trigger. At one point, my agency issued everyone a P232 stainless as a BUG/off duty weapon. When we went to the range to qualify, 30% of the guns had the rear sight fly off by the second magazine. Mmmmm, good 'ole days.

People have posted in this thread (paraphrasing) "I was going to buy a 365, but not now!", or "I'll never buy another Sig again because of this!". Huh?

Show of hands...

Who here has bought a GM, Ford or Chrysler...even after some of the gigantic turd models they've foisted upon the public and the conduct of their corporate suits?




But your conscience won't allow you to buy a Sig because they offer a gun with barrel ports and a goofy sight...

[Joe in PNG]

We've seen this show before with companies like Kimber.

Generally, tons and tons of products, gimmicky marketing, gimmicky finishes, and "innovation" that pretty much runs counter to pretty much all sound training is usually a bad sign. It means that a company is probably also skimping on the essential basics like sound design, manufacturing, quality control in order to get a quick buck from the cool crowd.

There's also using a long respected name brand with a good reputation to sell cheap products. Again, see Kimber, Remington, and a few others.

[Clusterfrack]

Sig has had a solid run of retardation...

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/06/30/sig-prestige-pistol-photos-samurai-tomahawk-siegfried-tyr-scorpion-artic/

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/TOMAHAWK_LIEGEND_2.jpg

[Zman001]

Reading through the lamenting and Sig hate in this thread led me to believe that Sig had discontinued every handgun in their line-up and replaced it with this single model.

Imagine my surprise when I checked their website and saw that they still offer not only the original P365, but numerous other models that lack the hated features of this gun.

I guess I don't understand the great gnashing of teeth over this.


Because instead of fixing major issues that plauge the once great company, they just do another rainbow edition, or some ridiculous creation like this

[BillSWPA]

Reading through the lamenting and Sig hate in this thread led me to believe that Sig had discontinued every handgun in their line-up and replaced it with this single model.

Imagine my surprise when I checked their website and saw that they still offer not only the original P365, but numerous other models that lack the hated features of this gun.

I guess I don't understand the great gnashing of teeth over this.

I understand your point, and not wanting to appear that way is exactly why I posted that I carry a standard P365 five days every week. I do not hate Sig. I hate the particular set of decisions that led to this pathetic version of an otherwise excellent, game-changing gun.



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[GJM]

This new model seems pretty wonky, but overall, it is an possible to deny that Sig is on a roll lately. Military pistol contract aside, the 365, 365XL, X Compact, 320 Legion, and MPX are extremely well received products. The X5/Legion is easily the most popular CO pistol in USPSA these days.

[GJM]

This new model seems pretty wonky, but overall, it is an possible to deny that Sig is on a roll lately. Military pistol contract aside, the 365, 365XL, X Compact, 320 Legion, and MPX are extremely well received products. The X5/Legion is easily the most popular CO pistol in USPSA these days.

Darn, make that “impossible to deny.”

[10mmfanboy]

Ron Cohen totally Clintoned sig. I was actually going to write something nice about sig for once, but I can't even find anything nice to say. They may want to leave out the whole made a polymer frame gun as heavy as an all steel gun as being innovative.

[Kanye Wyoming]

Darn, make that “impossible to deny.”
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[Texaspoff]

I remember the Sig of old. I started in LE carrying a W German P220. Those days Sig focused on quality, and not building twenty models of the same gun. I also understand, this grass growing under their feet mentality, is what pushed Sig out of a good hold on the market.

Sig brought in Cohen to bring the company back, and he has done that, just as he did with Kimber. The problem is, he did it the same way. Producing tons of different models, focusing on quantity and not quality, and pushing product out as fast as they can.

While this isn't the best option for consumers, it does make the stockholders money, and Cohen has accomplished that.

There is a balance between maintaining product per demand, and keeping up strict QC. Unfortunately, there are very few companies that do this correctly, because of the insatiable pursuit of the almighty dollar.





TXPO

[pew_pew]

This new model seems pretty wonky, but overall, it is an possible to deny that Sig is on a roll lately. Military pistol contract aside, the 365, 365XL, X Compact, 320 Legion, and MPX are extremely well received products. The X5/Legion is easily the most popular CO pistol in USPSA these days.

But didn’t they just remove the X compact from inventory? And the MPX is awesome, but they are on the 3rd generation already. They never really publicly announce the new generations and parts compatibility is always hit or miss.

That’s my main issue with Sig. the constant changes and removal/additions of skus. I bet this 365 SAS doesn’t last long.

Even with all of my grievances with Sig, the 365XL is really interesting to me.

[GJM]

But didn’t they just remove the X compact from inventory? And the MPX is awesome, but they are on the 3rd generation already. They never really publicly announce the new generations and parts compatibility is always hit or miss.

That’s my main issue with Sig. the constant changes and removal/additions of skus. I bet this 365 SAS doesn’t last long.

Even with all of my grievances with Sig, the 365XL is really interesting to me.

I can’t keep up with Sig, although I thought it was the X Carry that went away. Sig seems to be a fan of major power factor scoring, because for every A they shoot, they have a bunch of Charlies, Deltas and Mikes.

[Clusterfrack]

This new model seems pretty wonky, but overall, it is an possible to deny that Sig is on a roll lately. Military pistol contract aside, the 365, 365XL, X Compact, 320 Legion, and MPX are extremely well received products. The X5/Legion is easily the most popular CO pistol in USPSA these days.

Agreed. Sig USA has blitzed the shooting world with amazing success. Guns, ammo, optics, successful sponsored competitive shooters, and more. From an entrepreneurship perspective, it's hard not to respect what they've accomplished.

[LockedBreech]

I remember the Sig of old. I started in LE carrying a W German P220. Those days Sig focused on quality, and not building twenty models of the same gun. I also understand, this grass growing under their feet mentality, is what pushed Sig out of a good hold on the market.

Sig brought in Cohen to bring the company back, and he has done that, just as he did with Kimber. The problem is, he did it the same way. Producing tons of different models, focusing on quantity and not quality, and pushing product out as fast as they can.

While this isn't the best option for consumers, it does make the stockholders money, and Cohen has accomplished that.

There is a balance between maintaining product per demand, and keeping up strict QC. Unfortunately, there are very few companies that do this correctly, because of the insatiable pursuit of the almighty dollar.


TXPO

See: Quiznos

I can't be the only one who remembers when Quiznos was amazing. Great ingredients, massive subs, great service and atmosphere, awesome soups.

Then someone bought them and all the portion sizes halved and the soup turned into water.

I loved hanging with my friends at Quiznos during high school so that's still irritating to me.

[Rex G]

Well, the 365 SAS has more of a sight, and more of a slide latch, than a Seecamp LWS-32/-25/-380.

Not advocating/promoting/apologizing on behalf of anyone/anything.

[AMC]

But didn’t they just remove the X compact from inventory? And the MPX is awesome, but they are on the 3rd generation already. They never really publicly announce the new generations and parts compatibility is always hit or miss.

That’s my main issue with Sig. the constant changes and removal/additions of skus. I bet this 365 SAS doesn’t last long.

Even with all of my grievances with Sig, the 365XL is really interesting to me.

X Compact is a brand new gun.....don't think it's gone away. I hope not.....since I'm planning to buy one soon!

[BillSWPA]

Well, the 365 SAS has more of a sight, and more of a slide latch, than a Seecamp LWS-32/-25/-380.

Not advocating/promoting/apologizing on behalf of anyone/anything.

Seecamp is an interesting case. They initiated the trend of trying to chamber a bigger cartridge in a smaller gun. However, when North American Arms began selling their Guardians - essentially Seecamp's basic design with improvements - one of the improvements was the sights, as well as the availability of custom shop sight improvements.

[rayrevolver]

This just hit my news feed and I didn't see it posted anywhere.

More good news for Sig about a P320 supposedly shooting all by itself for a Philly Police department (SEPTA).

https://whyy.org/articles/septa-police-to-get-new-service-weapons-after-sig-pistol-accidentally-fires-at-suburban-station/

[HCountyGuy]

This just hit my news feed and I didn't see it posted anywhere.

More good news for Sig about a P320 supposedly shooting all by itself for a Philly Police department (SEPTA).

https://whyy.org/articles/septa-police-to-get-new-service-weapons-after-sig-pistol-accidentally-fires-at-suburban-station/

That reminds me, anyone ever hear anything more or final in regards to the unintentional discharge in Pasco County?

[Doc_Glock]

This just hit my news feed and I didn't see it posted anywhere.

More good news for Sig about a P320 supposedly shooting all by itself for a Philly Police department (SEPTA).

https://whyy.org/articles/septa-police-to-get-new-service-weapons-after-sig-pistol-accidentally-fires-at-suburban-station/

That is the most comprehensive normal news article on the drop problem I have read to date. I wonder if the Glock marketing division wrote it?

[GJM]

Even TFB says it sucks:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/10/10/sig-p365-sas/

[HeavyDuty]

I finally ran across one of these at my local range. And, I’m shocked to say it sucks much less than I expected. I would want to shoot it in varying light conditions before I pass judgement. The sight is far more useful than the one on my old Guttersnipe equipped ASP.

I have much more of a problem with the ported barrel than I do the sights or low profile controls.

[MK11]

I finally ran across one of these at my local range. And, I’m shocked to say it sucks much less than I expected. I would want to shoot it in varying light conditions before I pass judgement. The sight is far more useful than the one on my old Guttersnipe equipped ASP.

I have much more of a problem with the ported barrel than I do the sights or low profile controls.


LOL. 11 pages of hate and the first guy who actually goes hands on says it's not THAT bad? Viva La Internet!

[runcible]

MK11,

I mean, if there was doubt as to whether James Reeves got hands-on with one, you can see him holding and shooting it in the video...

If a ported barrel+slide, mousegun-type lack of firecontrols, non-adjustable\irreplaceable sights, tools-required-for-disassembly pistol is your jam; rock on with your bad self. I just don't know if your enthusiasm is going to sell the concept to others.

[BillSWPA]

Has anyone who is independent of Sig and actually shot it claimed that it is in any way better than a standard P365, considering that a standard P365 is already 100% snagproof in my experience of carrying one? The fact that it does not suck as bad as thought is informative, but is an uncompelling case to drop $500+ on one.



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[MK11]

MK11,

I mean, if there was doubt as to whether James Reeves got hands-on with one, you can see him holding and shooting it in the video...

If a ported barrel+slide, mousegun-type lack of firecontrols, non-adjustable\irreplaceable sights, tools-required-for-disassembly pistol is your jam; rock on with your bad self. I just don't know if your enthusiasm is going to sell the concept to others.

You're inferring my enthusiasm. I'm amused by 11 pages of "this sucks" sight unseen followed by one "It...might not actually be that bad." Doesn't seem to be an unusual reaction to new products on this forum and others.

[runcible]

MK11,

Fair point! Though, the "may be less bad" portion had me LOL before your response dropped, just because there's a long ways still to "good" or "better than."

Sig's gonna Sig, and they're long dedicated to the "diversity before quality" dogma.

[theJanitor]

The most important statement in this whole thread may have been overlooked:


...the one on my old Guttersnipe equipped ASP.


Please put some pics and a summary of the ASP in Tokarev's Old School Gunsmith thread

[RAM Engineer]

You're inferring my enthusiasm. I'm amused by 11 pages of "this sucks" sight unseen followed by one "It...might not actually be that bad." Doesn't seem to be an unusual reaction to new products on this forum and others.

We're just on page 6 by my count.

[HeavyDuty]

The most important statement in this whole thread may have been overlooked:



Please put some pics and a summary of the ASP in Tokarev's Old School Gunsmith thread

Long, long gone - I doubt I even have photos at this point. It was gone before I married in 1986. I do recall it was very picky and only ran reliably on Silvertips. Beyond that, chemicals and age has pretty much wiped what I remember other than it was cool.

[HeavyDuty]

We're just on page 6 by my count.

It depends on how you access the forum, and what browser or app.

[Drang]

We're just on page 6 by my count.

12, here.
The default for the site is to display 10 posts per page, but that may change depending on how you access it.

[s0nspark]

12, here.
The default for the site is to display 10 posts per page, but that may change depending on how you access it.

It is also a configurable setting... 5 to 40 post per page IIRC

[kwb377]

I think we can all agree that we're on post #119. [emoji846]

[0ddl0t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO5OuTn5AEI

[CCT125US]

Got to handle one the other day. Right eye dominant with astigmatism, combined with monovision correction. Below is what the "sight" looked like.

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[HeavyDuty]

A friend is just about ready to throw down for one of these - I’ll report back if he does.

[0ddl0t]

A friend is just about ready to throw down for one of these - I’ll report back if he does.

I suspect shenanigans to improve his view count, but MAC had one that shot way off:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8NLvFInHaw


Looking closely, you can see the sight was crooked:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45062&stc=1&d=1574315834

On the off chance MAC really is the unluckiest P365 buyer, you might tell your friend to look for uneven gaps on the sight before he plunks down his cash.

[HeavyDuty]

I suspect shenanigans to improve his view count, but MAC had one that shot way off:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8NLvFInHaw


Looking closely, you can see the sight was crooked:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45062&stc=1&d=1574315834

On the off chance MAC really is the unluckiest P365 buyer, you might tell your friend to look for uneven gaps on the sight before he plunks down his cash.

This morning he’s waffling - he saw that Bass Pro is offering two tone standard 365s for $400 starting next week. He’s a thrifty type...

[BillSWPA]

This morning he’s waffling - he saw that Bass Pro is offering two tone standard 365s for $400 starting next week. He’s a thrifty type...

Nothing wrong with being thrifty here. Most of those who tried the SAS version have confirmed my opinion (admittedly based on trying the standard version only) that the SAS version is a more expensive way to get less capable sights in a package that offers no real advantage in eliminating snagging during a draw.



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[HeavyDuty]

Nothing wrong with being thrifty here. Most of those who tried the SAS version have confirmed my opinion (admittedly based on trying the standard version only) that the SAS version is a more expensive way to get less capable sights in a package that offers no real advantage in eliminating snagging during a draw.



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Yeah, but I want him to buy a SAS so I can play with it.

[Navyguns]

I have only fondled a P365 SAS, have not shot one. I am about 70% gimmick and 30% intrigued to try what the whole package is about. The sight that Sig chose is such a departure from sighting systems for pistols that I believe that is the barrier to effective shooting of this pistol. I believe the porting does help on a small pistol so, I'm cool with that part but that damn sight.

[If1HitU]

I joined the Sig P365 club a few months ago.I love this pistol.:cool:
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[JDH]

Someone should email Mr Strader or Mr Cohen and ask how they’d run that gun if one hand is injured. Lol! Most makers now understand that the rear sight (or optic) needs a shelf for one handed racking of the slide. This thing not only lacks the sight, but the way they configured the controls it must be slingshot to release the slide. :rolleyes:

That's what teeth are for.

[sikiguya]

The P365 on Bass Pro and Cabral for $399 has no night sights, no nitron finish, manual safety, and one magazine. Basically...stripped down.


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[MistWolf]

I joined the Sig P365 club a few months ago.I love this pistol.:cool:
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I have a P365 and like it a lot.I carried it everyday and shot it for training along side my buddies with their Glocks and for practice. Stock up on spare action & ejector springs.

[DallasBronco]

The P365 on Bass Pro and Cabral for $399 has no night sights, no nitron finish, manual safety, and one magazine. Basically...stripped down.


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This is also true of the stainless version they are selling for $400. I bought one last night. Kind of a pisser but it gives me an excuse to try out some different sight options.

[Totem Polar]

I still can’t get over the lack of tritium in these sights for the SAS. Not only are they unorthodox, but they require a decent amount of ambient overhead light to run (the sight on the sample my LGS has vaporizes in low light). That said, it’s still sort of a cool idea. Not ready for the big time yet, though, IMHO.

[0ddl0t]

I still can’t get over the lack of tritium in these sights for the SAS. Not only are they unorthodox, but they require a decent amount of ambient overhead light to run (the sight on the sample my LGS has vaporizes in low light). That said, it’s still sort of a cool idea. Not ready for the big time yet, though, IMHO.

They're supposed to have tritium, although the P365 has been known to be hard on night sights...

[Totem Polar]

They're supposed to have tritium...

So I read and hear. The sample in my LGS shows zero signs of self illumination, however.

[HeavyDuty]

Necrothread, but I wanted to circle around and post my experience with a friend’s SAS.

Bass Pro screwed up a few months ago and had these for $428 or something silly like that, and a friend was able to grab one at that price. I’ve shot it a few times, and I have to say it really is easy to hit with so long as we are talking minute of pie plate out to ten yards. His tritium also works just fine. The sight is much more workable than what I remember of my Guttersipe equipped ASP from 35 years ago.