David Koch Has Died

[Chance]

From BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49438682):


Billionaire David Koch, a major donor to the Republican party, has died aged 79. He had been suffering from cancer.

The former majority owner of Koch Industries was ranked by Forbes, jointly with brother Charles, as the 11th richest person in the world.

Koch wielded huge political influence, bankrolling conservative causes for small government, low regulation and climate change scepticism.

He was also a major donor to medical research, education and the arts.

[RoyGBiv]

RIP...

[BillSWPA]

We are diminished.



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[David C.]

Sorry for his family, however not a fan of the Koch brothers politics:

Billionaire Koch Brothers Launch Super PAC to Support Open Borders Politicians

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/09/10/billionaire-koch-brothers-launch-super-pac-to-support-open-borders-politicians/

[Brazos Dan]

Sorry for his family, however not a fan of the Koch brothers politics:

Billionaire Koch Brothers Launch Super PAC to Support Open Borders Politicians

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/09/10/billionaire-koch-brothers-launch-super-pac-to-support-open-borders-politicians/

This.

The hugh "donations" made by the Koch bros. were often dollars spent to buy polititians and further their globalist agenda. They got away with passing themselves off as conservatives.

[OlongJohnson]

I'm not convinced their agenda was leftist or conservative. I think they were in favor of whatever they thought was good for them.

[ranger]

They are Libertarians - Right and Left can find something to disagree with them.

[Trooper224]

Koch Industries is a major employer here in Wichita. They've always had the intent of returning the US to the mythical 1950's that never really existed. They're rich old white guys, so the republican machine loves them, but they've always been out for the Koch's, first and foremost. They're good people to work for, but I wouldn't invite any of them over for Sunday dinner.

[ranger]

I can't speak for David - but Charles Koch is pretty open about his business theories (and philosophies) in his books. Market Based Management.

I have met Charles twice - I would have him over for a meal.

[Borderland]

This.

The hugh "donations" made by the Koch bros. were often dollars spent to buy polititians and further their globalist agenda. They got away with passing themselves off as conservatives.

Actually, they were/are Libertarians. Big difference there. Mike Pence, the current VP, was a yuge free trade conservative. Check out his voting record on free trade agreements in the senate.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/34024/mike-pence/63/trade#.XWMLL-hKhPY

So I guess it wasn't an unusual conservative agenda. Or maybe Pence isn't a true conservative, don't know.

[David C.]

Actually, they were/are Libertarians. Big difference there. Mike Pence, the current VP, was a yuge free trade conservative. Check out his voting record on free trade agreements in the senate.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/34024/mike-pence/63/trade#.XWMLL-hKhPY

So I guess it wasn't an unusual conservative agenda. Or maybe Pence isn't a true conservative, don't know.

The Kochs aren't libertarians, they are crony capitalists.

[Borderland]

The Kochs aren't libertarians, they are crony capitalists.

How so?

This is from the Libertarian website.


.....it follows that the freedom to contract to obtain, retain, profit from, manage, or dispose of one’s property must also be upheld.

The difference between Trump and the Koch bros. is Trump is in favor of tariffs, less immigration and protectionism while the Koch bros. are champions of free trade, open markets and using legal immigrant labor. Some very divergent views.

Trump would have gladly taken Koch money during his campaign but they didn't offer it up for those reasons. Trump's campaign even ask them for money. Easily worth 10 times Trump's net worth I think it fair to say that David Koch was indeed a capitalist. They didn't make all that money running non profit organizations.

[OlongJohnson]

Easily worth 10 times Trump's net worth I think it fair to say that David Koch was indeed a capitalist. They didn't make all that money running non profit organizations.

Last I checked, Bloomberg is worth 10 times what Trump has claimed to be worth. Kochs are worth a lot more.

[David C.]

How so?

This is from the Libertarian website.



The difference between Trump and the Koch bros. is Trump is in favor of tariffs, less immigration and protectionism while the Koch bros. are champions of free trade, open markets and using legal immigrant labor. Some very divergent views.

Trump would have gladly taken Koch money during his campaign but they didn't offer it up for those reasons. Trump's campaign even ask them for money. Easily worth 10 times Trump's net worth I think it fair to say that David Koch was indeed a capitalist. They didn't make all that money running non profit organizations.

Most would consider stealing oil from an Indian Reservation and using political connections (i.e., Bob Dole) to avoid criminal charges crony capitalism.
http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/03/bloomberg-investigates-the-koch-brothers/
https://lakotalawproject.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/koch-industries-stealing-from-tribes/
https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2011/03/koch-and-indian-reservation-oil-theft-496726.html

The Kochs aren't libertarians, they just don't like laws or national governments that get in their way.

[Borderland]

Most would consider stealing oil from an Indian Reservation and using political connections (i.e., Bob Dole) to avoid criminal charges crony capitalism.
http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/03/bloomberg-investigates-the-koch-brothers/
https://lakotalawproject.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/koch-industries-stealing-from-tribes/
https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2011/03/koch-and-indian-reservation-oil-theft-496726.html

The Kochs aren't libertarians, they just don't like laws or national governments that get in their way.

I think most people would say they're Libertarians. I don't know exactly how they managed their business but I doubt Enron was squeaky clean either. They fueled Mike Pence's political career and he's now the VP. My guess he's there because Trump thought he had connections to Koch campaign donations. If there's any skeletons in the Koch bros closet they got there with the help of Mike Pence and other GOP politicians. When you point fingers at the Koch bros you also point fingers at republicans and US corporations in general. In 2010 their efforts helped republicans win 63 seats in congress. A couple of really bad dudes there. :( I guess you would rather they fund democrats.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/23/693716112/david-koch-dies-conservative-billionaire-helped-reshape-u-s-politics

[Mjolnir]

We are diminished.



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No we aren’t.

Who is this “we” you speak of?

He was a neoconservative - a LIBERAL; a Globalist.


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[Mjolnir]

I worked for one of their holdings.

It all looks good from afar.

If you study then you’ll find them quite putrid.


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[Borderland]

I worked for one of their holdings.

It all looks good from afar.

If you study then you’ll find them quite putrid.


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Did you give back any of the money they paid you while you were working there?

[Guinnessman]

Did you give back any of the money they paid you while you were working there?

While I never worked for Koch Bros, this type of comment really irritates me, as I have worked for some really fucked up people early on in my career.

A lot of company “Leaders” can be the largest hypocrites on the planet, by not practicing what they preach. To them you are only a number and nothing else. Thankfully those days are behind me.

[Borderland]

While I never worked for Koch Bros, this type of comment really irritates me, as I have worked for some really fucked up people early on in my career.

A lot of company “Leaders” can be the largest hypocrites on the planet, by not practicing what they preach. To them you are only a number and nothing else. Thankfully those days are behind me.

I've worked for real assholes myself but it was for the paycheck, no illusions there.

Most large corporations aren't socially responsible no matter what they say in the media. They spend millions trying to project a corporate image that's 180 from how they actually operate.

[NEPAKevin]

I've worked for real assholes myself but it was for the paycheck, no illusions there.



So, you just answered your own question. Assuming Mjolnir did the job for which he was employed, there would be no reason for him to return the money as the question as to whether he agreed with his employers politics or even if he liked them is irrelevant. That would be like saying a prostitute should refund a client's fee anytime the hooker did not enjoy their company. The real question would be why someone would work for someone they despised but that would likely generate thread drift not since since we last learned the alleged nature if Grace Jones's lady parts.

[Mjolnir]

Did you give back any of the money they paid you while you were working there?

I feel just as you.

You stated:

I've worked for real assholes myself but it was for the paycheck, no illusions there.

Most large corporations aren't socially responsible no matter what they say in the media. They spend millions trying to project a corporate image that's 180 from how they actually operate.




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