Sig SP2022: A few questions, observations

[UniSol]

I'm not brand new to these guns, and have a few hundred rounds through one of my own.

I've circled back around to them and put another one on layaway the other day (409.99 before tax at Larry's in Huntsville, AL), and have a few questions and observations. Just looking for general discussion. There are a few good threads on them here but figured it might time for another one.

-Recommendations for holsters? JMCK is my go to, but the 2022 isn't showing in the roster. May email him but wanted to start this thread first (I know he's a member here). I know Dark Star and CCC post on here, haven't checked their lineup yet.

-What has happened to the new style, medium grips? Top Gun Supply has the older "sigpro" marked ones, but I cannot find the newer style "Sig Sauer" marked medium grips anywhere, including Sig. Did they just quit making them? I prefer the feel of the mediums over small. Don't know what right looks like with the small vs. medium on paper or with a timer, admittedly. They just feel better. The DA pull breaks fairly far back with the small, not so bad with the medium.

-Is Sig planning on tweaking this series? I've read hearsay here and there over the last year or two that Sig reps have mentioned making some updates.

-Any educated guess on what the future holds for these pistols would be welcome. Just from casual research, Colombia and of course France seem to be the 2 big players keeping these going contract-wise, and looks like Peru recently ordered at least 10,000.

[JM Campbell]

Dark Star Gear hooked me up with some a few years back when I was running 2022s


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[ubervic]

I bought and ran one a few years back. Great and inexpensive platform on which to master the traditional double-action trigger system. Best DA trigger press I've ever experienced. Glad that I ran it for about two years. Sold it because I wanted to venture back to the striker-fire trigger system.

It's somewhat looked down upon by many as the 'cheap' SIG. The grip ergos are just a hair off, enough to prevent it from feeling entirely natural during the range of manipulations. Not much in the way of aftermarket support, but I was almost certain that I'd run it in a JMCK holster. This was several years ago, I can't find any documentation, and my memory fails me. Doubtful that SIG will devote the time, effort or resources to tweaking it, given its limited sales outside European LE.

[UniSol]

My thoughts as well re. not having a whole lot of incentive to do much with these guns, but hopeful. Have been thinking about going all in and investing in the 2 I have now as my go to pistol.

Forgot to add in the OP, has anyone ever found a source for the factory flat baseplates besides Roco? I head Greg Cote had them but don't see them listed now.

[10mmfanboy]

I contacted Tony at JM custom about 2022 recently and was told no as of now but he's been seeing quite a few ppl ask for a holster for it. He used to have one for it, but I think that was before he started using cnc molds. It's a great pistol, I used to have the 2340 in 357 sig. Just stinks that there is literally zero support for it. I even have a hard time finding what I need for px4 and p2000 and m9a3. I even went on crossbreed out of desperation and literally zero support for what I am looking for. I also contacted Dale Fricke about 2022 a cpl years ago and he said he might, but apparently not.

[spinmove_]

I have one chambered in .40S&W. I quite like it, but support is limited and given how SIG generally treats it like a red headed stepchild (which never made any sense to me). Great trigger, good ergos.


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[UniSol]

Discovered these baseplates from Springer Precision. Flat but not quite flush baseplate and a plus 3 that looks intriguing.

https://shop.springerprecision.com/Springer-Precision-SIG-P2022-EZ-25-base-pads-SP0212B.htm

https://shop.springerprecision.com/Springer-Precision-SIG-P2022-9-40-EZ-3-base-pads-SP0233.htm

[ubervic]

Forgot to add in the OP, has anyone ever found a source for the factory flat baseplates besides Roco? I head Greg Cote had them but don't see them listed now.

Believe it or not, the base plates for M&P Compact magazines work great as a low-cost substitute.

[Buckshot]

I'm an SP2022 lover myself - it's my favorite da/sa Sig. I've forsaken it for the PX-4CC but its a great pistol. I would imagine the only reason it is still in production is for thr French government. I think the US Federal Protective Service was running them in 40 at one time, but I think they might have moved on by now.

[45dotACP]

I shot a 2340 a while back...it was very accurate, reliable, and the DA trigger was better than almost any DA/SA I've tried. Still tempted to get a 2022 for shits and giggles.

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[UniSol]

I would imagine the only reason it is still in production is for the French government. I think the US Federal Protective Service was running them in 40 at one time, but I think they might have moved on by now.

Nice, didn't know that-I believe the 5,000 ordered way back in 2005 by U.S. Army TACOM were for DOD police in Iraq. Then there's the 5,000 ordered recently with the other Sig long guns that was probably for some kind of foreign assistance...would be cool if anyone knows about that.


Believe it or not, the base plates for M&P Compact magazines work great as a low-cost substitute.

I've heard that. P229 baseplates also work; there is a small gap between the frontstrap but that may actually help avoiding pinch during a reload, like the Springer baseplates I linked above.

[LockedBreech]

I just re-purchased an SP2022 earlier this month after having one a few years ago.

It's just a nice gun to have around. No quality issues to speak of, fairly accurate, pretty good trigger pull. Reminds me Sig's old reputation as trouble-free.

[zuplex]

I currently carry an SP2022 in a JMCK Wing Claw 2.5. I got the 2.5 back in November and I didn’t realize JMCK wasn’t offering the mold anymore.

I like the trigger. I don’t have a lot of experience with different guns but I’ve never felt the trigger hindered my shooting. When I miss with this gun, it’s all my fault.

Having DA is great with dry fire. Just remember to mimic running the decocking lever after coming off target to ingrain that habit.

I love love love being able to check the hammer when holstering or putting the gun in my safe. Gives me a warm fuzzy.

The grip has a good texture that keeps the gun in my hand. The downside is that it can rub on the skin after a while if I’m not wearing an undershirt.. I have had polyester mesh shirts catch on the grip, though. It’s a gritty sandpaper-like texture that can act like Velcro on certain fabrics. It also collects dirt, skin cells, etc. over time.

The finish has held up to daily carry in two Florida summers so far. I don’t see any rust on the gun.

I’ve only put maybe 1,000 rounds through mine. The only issues I’ve had are 1) slide not locking back on empty when my thumb rises the slide release and 2) auto-forwarding of the slide when reloading aggressively a few times. No failures to fire, failures to extract, double feeds, nothing.

Aftermarket support isn’t great, but there are some options. Trijicon HDs work very well on mine. Magazines are expensive but available. Parts are pretty cheap and available since the gun is still in production.

I wish there was a bobbed or flush hammer option. I often carry mine in a Smartcarry due to environment and dress code issues and the hammer sometimes digs into my gut.

[deputyG23]

Richmond VA, PD used the .357 SIG version for years until just recently when they transitioned to G17s. I was not aware of any problems with the gun and they had multiple shoots that the round worked well.
We used their indoor range on occasion to qualify our Command Staff. The Undersheriff at the time, who is usually an excellent shot, had a horrible grouping at seven yards and the gun "sounded and felt strange" during firing. He accidentally picked up a box of Richmond PD's .357 SIG Lawman practice ammo instead of our .40 Winchester practice rounds. I still rib him about that occasionally....

[JonInWA]

I just re-purchased an SP2022 earlier this month after having one a few years ago.

It's just a nice gun to have around. No quality issues to speak of, fairly accurate, pretty good trigger pull. Reminds me Sig's old reputation as trouble-free.

From a practical standpoint, I've got more than a sneaking suspicion that it's pretty much the only contemporary SIG that is maintaining that previous SIG reputation....and I concurrently suspect that the ongoing French and possibly other organizational contracts (and what I presume is their baseline material and QC requirements) have had a positive, and continuous causal effect/impact on that...

Currently the 2022 is the only SIG product that I feel totally comfortable in recommending.

Best, Jon

[UniSol]

I've pretty much decided to go all-in on these. I made an impulse buy yesterday of a 2-tone .40 at my LGS. Looks to be new-old stock with a manufacture date of JAN 2014. Not really looking to have a .40 in the stable, but from some reading and trying it out myself, it seems that you can go from .40-9 with just a barrel swap. If nothing else it's another frame and other small parts, and the 2 tone does look kinda slick. Plus a .40 capability for whatever reason I might ever need it. These guns do handle .40 really well, at least the 2340's do.

As it stands, I have a stable of 2 recent production 2022 9mms (one on layaway), a new .40, and I may snag one more 9 at the relatively low price my LGS has them right now. Keeping a P2000SK as a smaller carry gun if needed. I have a couple of Colt 6920s, a DDM4V9, and a MK18 pistol on the long gun front. That's probably what my line up is going to look like before too long, with everything else I sell going towards stacking ammo and mags as deep as I feel like going, with some small parts squirreled away. Long term plan is to focus more on shooting, combatives, PT in general, no more gun of the month....got to where I had enough guns and peripheral stuff that it was hard to focus, didn't enjoy the accumulation. Really just getting down to less having less stuff in general.

Always relied on being issued plates, gear etc. but now have a plate carrier on the way with some plates sourced locally before too long.

Probably seems like a fair degree of thread drift, but after deciding to freeze my gun buying habits and dial in on the SP2022, this is where my thinking is going.

[RAM Engineer]

The Marie Kondo strategy of guns. I'm trying to get there too.

Quick question: Do these guns use standard P22X sight cuts?

[UniSol]

The Marie Kondo strategy of guns. I'm trying to get there too.

Quick question: Do these guns use standard P22X sight cuts?

Ha, yes indeed.

Everything I've read says that they have the same dovetails, so standard P series sights will fit.

[TexasSiegfried]

I moved to my SP2022 during the p320 debacle. I too have a JMCK wing claw for it which Tony made some time ago.

I am very pleased with mine, and, to be honest, I LOVE the fact that I'm not reading about them everywhere...every trouble free day that goes by without any reports of problems just solidifies how pleased I am that I made the decision to move to it from the p320.

Given everything we read about Sig, and I am the last person anyone would consider an expert, I am forced to agree with the earlier post which said that this is about the best Sig you can buy now.

The SP2022 the Px4 models are about the extent of my interest, frankly.

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[HeavyDuty]

I’ve always been attracted to these, but never jumped - it would only be a toy. But one in 357 SIG would be fun to have around...

[HCM]

I'm an SP2022 lover myself - it's my favorite da/sa Sig. I've forsaken it for the PX-4CC but its a great pistol. I would imagine the only reason it is still in production is for thr French government. I think the US Federal Protective Service was running them in 40 at one time, but I think they might have moved on by now.

FPS never ran SP2022s.

They went from 5946s to P229R DAKs in .357 SIG followed by the same gun in .40.

[fpnunes]

I've looked several times at the SP2022 and almost grabbed one. To be honest, I thought that they were gone for the most part as I haven't run across one in a LGS in quite some time. In spite of all the Sig doom and gloom here I purchased a P226R and a P225A1 as a throw back to my P228 days and both have been absolutely stellar.

[Vandal320]

The best $399 I ever spent.

[Duelist]

I had one for a couple of years and quite enjoyed it. Quality piece, and I’d get another. But I probably won’t because of the thumb/slide lock lever issue. Doesn’t happen with Beretta 92 or Glock, and those are what I’ve moved to spending money making noise with.

I also didn’t like the magazine floorplates pinching my pinkie finger - sounds like that isn’t an issue if you swap them for the P229 floorplates. I would have to do that for any SP2022 I got.

[Robinson]

My son has a 9mm SP2022. I shot it a couple weeks ago and was impressed with the trigger and how easy the gun is to shoot. The only thing I noticed is that the slide failed to lock back on empty a few times using the supplied magazines. Is that common with these guns?

[spinmove_]

My son has a 9mm SP2022. I shot it a couple weeks ago and was impressed with the trigger and how easy the gun is to shoot. The only thing I noticed is that the slide failed to lock back on empty a few times using the supplied magazines. Is that common with these guns?

It’s most likely your thumb vs the slide lock lever. In that capacity it’s fairly common. If you’re absolutely positive that it’s not your hands holding down the slide lock lever, then no, it’s not something common I’ve experienced.


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[Robinson]

It’s most likely your thumb vs the slide lock lever. In that capacity it’s fairly common. If you’re absolutely positive that it’s not your hands holding down the slide lock lever, then no, it’s not something common I’ve experienced.


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Thanks. Yeah that's a possibility. Come to think of it, I noticed it happening when my son was shooting -- I don't remember if it happened at all when I was shooting it.

[awp_101]

I’ve seen the 2022 described as a polymer 229. Is that accurate or just sales driven hyperbole?

If a lot of folks think the ergonomics are a little off maybe I should try one. It seems like my hands are a little off compared to many others.🤔🤷🏻*♂️🤣

[ubervic]

I’ve seen the 2022 described as a polymer 229. Is that accurate or just sales driven hyperbole?

If a lot of folks think the ergonomics are a little off maybe I should try one. It seems like my hands are a little off compared to many others.🤔🤷🏻*♂️🤣

It's a fairly accurate description. The noticeable difference, in my hands, is the decocking action----the 2022 action is a bit gritty/clunky whereas the 229 action is clean/smooth. But not a big deal.

[David S.]

I’ve seen the 2022 described as a polymer 229. Is that accurate or just sales driven hyperbole?

That's about right. To my recollection, they are between a P226 and P229 size. A tenth or two taller and longer than a P229. No significant weight difference.

My first gun was a P2340 in .357SIG, because the internet said it was soooooo much better than 9 and 40. Carried it in a Crossbreed Hybrid, IIRC. :rolleyes: Recoil and ammo cost were excessive so off it went in trade for a G19.

By all accounts it's a solid gun that runs well. It ran well for the thousand or two rounds it saw. My strong hand thumb rides the slide catch lever, preventing the slide from locking back. That was more of an annoyance than an actual problem as I didn't carry a reload or compete.

[JonInWA]

I’ve seen the 2022 described as a polymer 229. Is that accurate or just sales driven hyperbole?

If a lot of folks think the ergonomics are a little off maybe I should try one. It seems like my hands are a little off compared to many others.🤔🤷🏻*♂️🤣

Probably more than a little accurate. They were both manufactured initially somewhat concurrently; I suspect that SIGARMS was trying to cover their LEO bases by having both a metal- and polymer-framed DA/SA, and the Sigpro (at that time in both 2340 {/40 and .357 SIG} and 2009 (9mm} incarnations) was less expensive and came with 2 different backstraps to provide for greater individual fit potential.

The Sigpro, be it in either earlier or current P2022 configuration is an interesting, and high-quality gun. SIG never really marketed it aggressively or effectively, so they tended to fly under the radar. Unless I develop some sort of a compelling need for a DA/SA in .40 (as I have the 9mm DA/SA niche pretty effectively covered), it's unlikely one will migrate into my vault in the near future, though.

More than a few years back I seem to recall gunwriter Peter Jordan penning a well-written article comparing the Sigpro against the P229, and in his opinion the Sigpro came out ahead.

The Sigpro does combine characteristics of the metal-frame classic P-Series and P210 captured barrel movement nicely. OEM magazines have always been MecGars, which is nice. Before morphing into the P2022, there was a subtle ergonomic modification performed on either the decocking lever or the slide release, I forget which (and the original set-up wasn't bad, either).

In my opinion, they might be even better served in today's market by offering 3 sizes of replaceable backstrap, instead of the 1-2 currently offered.

Best, Jon

[gomerpyle]

Ken Hackathorn, at least some years ago, held/holds the 2022 in high regard: "As far as SIG, the P2022 is one of the best kept secrets in their line. After a week of shooting it overseas, I found it shoots good, it's reliable. It's a damn good gun." (https://www.thetacticalwire.com/features/226318)

[psalms144.1]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/sig-sauer-sp2022-9mm-pistol-black.html?trk_msg=QMBHKB4FDBR4N1F38604NE4PFS&trk_contact=6B5BC1QIIHT7CK035S85OHVR44&trk_sid=ORL9DA8BTTMT5F30C8RO6QAEU8&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fs ig-sauer-sp2022-9mm-pistol-black.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=12%3a00+Email

[HeavyDuty]

Damn, tempted... I’ve always wanted to try one of these.

Edit - screw it, done. At $379 it’s cheap enough that I won’t be out much or any if I decide to sell it off. Used ones are almost this much.

[HeavyDuty]

The Marie Kondo strategy of guns. I'm trying to get there too.

Quick question: Do these guns use standard P22X sight cuts?


Ha, yes indeed.

Everything I've read says that they have the same dovetails, so standard P series sights will fit.

And Ameriglo even does their Hacks for these. Happiness, joy.

[revchuck38]

I'd be tempted too if I didn't have three PX4s.

HeavyDuty - We'll be expecting targets by next weekend. Don't even try to give us any lame-ass BS excuses. :)

[HeavyDuty]

I'd be tempted too if I didn't have three PX4s.

HeavyDuty - We'll be expecting targets by next weekend. Don't even try to give us any lame-ass BS excuses. :)

Lol. With my FFLs schedule and me being out of town with the GF, it may be longer than that! Besides, Palmetto isn’t known for their shipping speed...

[Gadfly]

Anyone conveyed one to DAO, or from DAO to DA/SA?

Is it something you can do on your own? Or is it a “swap the whole fire control thing”...


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[UniSol]

Anyone conveyed one to DAO, or from DAO to DA/SA?

Is it something you can do on your own? Or is it a “swap the whole fire control thing”...


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Not sure, but Numrich has DAO control units for the SP2009:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/888250

They also have the older large rubber over mold type grips:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/888170A

[10mmfanboy]

I'd buy the 2022 over any other sig as well. I had a last years p226 enhanced elite and sold it after only 600 rounds due to the chewing of the frame rails down to dull aluminum. Like others have stated the trigger is good, not quite as good as a 226 or 229, the decock I agree is rather gritty and long feeling, but really never bothered me at all. The 2340 made me change my grip as to avoid the thumb over release and have still used the same grip method to this day and have never had an issue on any other pistols I have fired riding slide locks.

My buddy at my LGS is a gunsmith and his son works there as well. He is a sales rep for sig. We got into a discussion about the 2340 and he told me that the 2340/2022 has had the least amount of defects or warranty returns of any sig manufactured. I told him I believe that 100%

As far as pinky rest extensions, I went redneck on them with a Dremel, worked fine.

Sights as far as I know are same as pxx series. If Tony would offer holster for it I'd have a few again myself. My 2340 was originally a 357 sig and it was awesome, ballistics can go to hell! I also bought a 40 barrel and didn't notice much difference other than I could afford to shoot more. I had that gun for longer than I've had any other pistol and shot it and only it from 1998-2013

[Kyle Reese]

I had a pair of 2022s years back and they were rock solid, reliable and accurate DA/SA pistols.

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[UniSol]

Put 100 rounds through mine the other day. 75 of them some old 147 gr HST. I've read more than one report of the SP2022 not liking 147 gr weight rounds, but I had no issues, although it was a relatively small number.

Spent all rounds doing DA/SA transition, both pressing out and from full presentation at about 50% speed. I was using the small grip and really noticed the length of the DA pull, specificallyhow far back it breaks. Probably would have been less apparent at full speed, but I'm going to try another hundred rounds with a medium grip installed. Not a deal breaker, and I have decided I like enough about these guns overall that I'm going to make them work for me.

[HeavyDuty]

In the cart-before-the-horse department, after I ordered the SP2022 from Palmetto I thought I probably should handle one again - it’s been a few years. I’m happy to say the one I found yesterday was as “right” as I remembered.

I’ve come close to buying one several times through the years, but I’ve recently been trying to pick up bucket list guns. If the 2022 doesn’t work out, at least I gave it a spin.

[UniSol]

In the cart-before-the-horse department, after I ordered the SP2022 from Palmetto I thought I probably should handle one again - it’s been a few years. I’m happy to say the one I found yesterday was as “right” as I remembered.

I’ve come close to buying one several times through the years, but I’ve recently been trying to pick up bucket list guns. If the 2022 doesn’t work out, at least I gave it a spin.

Definitely worth trying out. I think one thing that accents its intrigue is that it has a fairly deep service record for being so low profile. Like I mentioned in the OP, it's seeing service in large numbers; 100K+ and 250K+ with Colombia and France, and that's security forces and armed forces in various levels of engagement (I read that the Foreign Legion uses and likes them, just internet hearsay). More hearsay has them showing up across the middle east and Africa....it seems to be a gun that gets around, kind of an "everyman" 9. I am looking forward to vetting these out more for myself.

[HCM]

Definitely worth trying out. I think one thing that accents its intrigue is that it has a fairly deep service record for being so low profile. Like I mentioned in the OP, it's seeing service in large numbers; 100K+ and 250K+ with Colombia and France, and that's security forces and armed forces in various levels of engagement (I read that the Foreign Legion uses and likes them, just internet hearsay). More hearsay has them showing up across the middle east and Africa....it seems to be a gun that gets around, kind of an "everyman" 9. I am looking forward to vetting these out more for myself.

It would make sense that security forces In Francophone Africa would adopt the pistol of the French Police.

[UniSol]

Absolutely...possibly a situation like where TACOM supplied(s) SPs to Colombia...either way makes sense.

[HCM]

Absolutely...possibly a situation like where TACOM supplied(s) SPs to Colombia...either way makes sense.

I know they have supplied them to the Afghan Police along with S&W SD9s and Ruger P97s.

[UniSol]

I know they have supplied them to the Afghan Police along with S&W SD9s and Ruger P97s.

Interesting, I knew about the SD9s but not the others.

[JTQ]

I know they have supplied them to the Afghan Police along with ... Ruger P97s.
The P97 in .45 Auto and not the P95 in 9mm?

[HeavyDuty]

I know they have supplied them to the Afghan Police along with S&W SD9s and Ruger P97s.

I’m not sure that is good company...

[Duelist]

I’m not sure that is good company...

Between the 3, the SP2022 seems the most durable and so forth. I’ve not owned a P97, but have shot one. Meh. I’ve owned an SD40VE and an SP2022. Wouldn’t hesitate to use either, but the SP2022 is the better gun IMHO, in spite of some small parts being produced in places like India.

I had two problems with my SP2022: the slide lock lever position doesn’t work for me, and the magazine baseplates/grip length/cutout on the front strap for the baseplate. Pinching can happen. The gun is accurate and reliable, and the finish showed no wear after several thousand rounds and a lot of dry fire and dry draws. Grip never made a hot spot. Really, it is a good gun.

[HCM]

The P97 in .45 Auto and not the P95 in 9mm?

My bad - it was the 9mm

[Doc_Glock]

Well, darn this thread all to Heck said Flanders.

Bastages and your links to cheap plastic pistols...

[10mmfanboy]

I saw vedder holsters has sp2022 listed. I think I had one of them once and wasn't bad.

[LockedBreech]

PSA for 380 when I just bought one for 438. Gah.

No biggie. I think it’s easily $438 of gun.


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[spinmove_]

PSA for 380 when I just bought one for 438. Gah.

No biggie. I think it’s easily $438 of gun.


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It’s easily worth Glock prices.

SIG never promoted it well enough because it would have stolen sales and thunder away from the classic P-series. It’s not promoting it now because it’d steal thunder away from the P320. Most people don’t want TDA, they want a striker fired polymer people popper that’s the next Glock killer.

Unfortunately the SP2022 will end up being the best pistol SIG never gave much of a crap about and it could have really pushed the envelope on what a super easily managed TDA trigger could be in a pistol for the masses.


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[ubervic]

I had two problems with my SP2022: the slide lock lever position doesn’t work for me, and the magazine baseplates/grip length/cutout on the front strap for the baseplate. Pinching can happen. The gun is accurate and reliable, and the finish showed no wear after several thousand rounds and a lot of dry fire and dry draws. Grip never made a hot spot. Really, it is a good gun.

THIS

I learned to modify my support-hand hold to eliminate unwanted contact with the slide-lock lever during firing. And it took a few violent pinches of my small finger before I learned to flag that finger during reloads. I put a minimal chamfer on the sharp edge off the trigger guard (where it meets the grip) to eliminate finger/knuckle irritation---looked factory but made a huge difference for comfort.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Unfortunately the SP2022 will end up being the best pistol SIG never gave much of a crap about and it could have really pushed the envelope on what a super easily managed TDA trigger could be in a pistol for the masses.

Right along with the P250 for DAO.

[Gary1911A1]

I ordered one during a Labor Day sale and still waiting to be notified when it ships. I ordered some spare magazines from CDNN a few days later and got notified they were shipped yesterday. Bet I get the spare mags before I get the 2022.:D

[Doc_Glock]

Mine arrived and I just messed with it. I expect the slide release to be a problem. Right thumb either wants to go on top of it leading to failures to lock, or below it pushing up leading to premature slide locks.

Will have to learn to flag the thumbs more than I usually do when Glocking. May not be an actual issue shooting.

From a Glock/HK shooter the gun seems extremely upright and high above the hand. I am sure that is a non issue. Just strange to have so much slide up there.

The trigger is very nice for a brand new unfired gun. About 10 lb DA and 5lb SA. No grit or stacking at all. It is a nice piece of work for $400 transferred.

[LSP552]

Mine arrived and I just messed with it. I expect the slide release to be a problem. Right thumb either wants to go on top of it leading to failures to lock, or below it pushing up leading to premature slide locks.

Will have to learn to flag the thumbs more than I usually do when Glocking. May not be an actual issue shooting.

Most SIG shooters let the right thumb rest a bit farther outside and over the left thumb to prevent premature slide lock.

[ubervic]

The trigger is very nice for a brand new unfired gun. About 10 lb DA and 5lb SA. No grit or stacking at all. It is a nice piece of work for $400 transferred.

The SP2022 trigger could truly be THE best out-of-the-box DA trigger for any pistol under $1,000, and is arguably one of the best for any pistol at much higher prices.

[spinmove_]

The SP2022 trigger could truly be THE best out-of-the-box DA trigger for any pistol under $1,000, and is arguably one of the best for any pistol at much higher prices.

Agreed! What’s insane to me is that SIG even had eleventy billion finish options for the SP2022 at one point and it still never really sold well commercially. Everyone was too busy being enamored with the classic P-series which takes a lot more money and time to work those triggers up to the SP2022’s level of awesome out of the box.


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[JonInWA]

A very experienced and eminently qualified SIG gunsmith told me that he literally could do nothing to improve the triggerpull on the then 2340-it was that good. The same applies to the 2022s that I've handled.

While not perfect, the Sigpro in any of its incarnations, past and present is really and exceptional DA/SA opportunity, and one that's perennially flown under the radar.

Best, Jon

[HeavyDuty]

I just got back into town. I did get a chance to handle it Saturday before I left, but I was delayed again as usual. Hopefully I’ll clear this week and it will come home.

[Doc_Glock]

The more I handle this gun the more I feel like it is built to HK level quality.

[ubervic]

I'm actually thinking about picking up one again..... :o

[UniSol]

Put 150 rounds of 124 gr GDHP and HST (old carry ammo) through my new one straight out of the box last night. Wasn't working on a timer but sped up my press out in DA and shot mostly DA/SA transition, with some 5 round rhythm drills from head to chest. It's a shooter. Really need to get a holster setup.

[Gary1911A1]

Finally got mine on 9/11. Shot it at the range today despite the heat and it shot well to POA with decent groups despite the heat. It was 100 with FMJ Federal. Trigger was good for a service auto.

[Doc_Glock]

Whelp. Shot it today. Accurate and reliable but I can’t stand it. Seems way too big, clunky, and I hate both the slide stop and decocker.

This will be an expensive gun rental all said and done. 50 rounds and I have completely lost interest.

I still think it’s a good gun, but definitely not for me. 100x prefer the plastic Beretta or HK designs for a TDA gun.

Strange because I had a 226 Legion that I loved and this is kinda sorta a plastic 229.

[LockedBreech]

Whelp. Shot it today. Accurate and reliable but I can’t stand it. Seems way too big, clunky, and I hate both the slide stop and decocker.

This will be an expensive gun rental all said and done. 50 rounds and I have completely lost interest.

I still think it’s a good gun, but definitely not for me. 100x prefer the plastic Beretta or HK designs for a TDA gun.

Strange because I had a 226 Legion that I loved and this is kinda sorta a plastic 229.

Strangely enough, that was my exact reaction the first time I owned one, and then 3 years later I wanted it again. Odd hobby we all have here.

[Doc_Glock]

Strangely enough, that was my exact reaction the first time I owned one, and then 3 years later I wanted it again. Odd hobby we all have here.

Let this be a lesson for you then. I have rarely disliked a pistol so much and I have been through enough to know if I like them pretty fast at this point in the game.

[HeavyDuty]

Whelp. Shot it today. Accurate and reliable but I can’t stand it. Seems way too big, clunky, and I hate both the slide stop and decocker.

This will be an expensive gun rental all said and done. 50 rounds and I have completely lost interest.

I still think it’s a good gun, but definitely not for me. 100x prefer the plastic Beretta or HK designs for a TDA gun.

Strange because I had a 226 Legion that I loved and this is kinda sorta a plastic 229.

Could it be a grip issue? Maybe try a different size?

[spinmove_]

Could it be a grip issue? Maybe try a different size?

The overall chunkiness comes from the fact that it’s heavy for a polymer pistol of it’s size and that slide release sticks out further than it has a right to. The grip, with it’s changeable panels, seems to be to be hand size agnostic enough to fit most hands between the two sizes it comes with.

The trigger is fantastic, yes. The decocker is a bit wonky, yes. But it’s not quite as svelte as a PX4, PX4C, or P-07. I think all in all it’d make a great carry gun in a pinch, but I’d personally prefer a PX4C or P-07 over it simply because they’re just a smidge lighter for their size and have ambi decockers. Between those two these days, I’d probably take a PX4C thanks to a better trigger out of the box and a more easily improveable trigger down the road. I’d still do Talon grips or stippling on either frame.

I’ll be keeping my SP2022 as it’s unique in my collection in that I have a .40S&W and .357SIG barrel for it. I haven’t shot it in a while, but something like that may have utility down the road.


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[Doc_Glock]

The overall chunkiness comes from the fact that it’s heavy for a polymer pistol of it’s size and that slide release sticks out further than it has a right to. The grip, with it’s changeable panels, seems to be to be hand size agnostic enough to fit most hands between the two sizes it comes with.

The trigger is fantastic, yes. The decocker is a bit wonky, yes. But it’s not quite as svelte as a PX4, PX4C, or P-07. I think all in all it’d make a great carry gun in a pinch, but I’d personally prefer a PX4C or P-07 over it simply because they’re just a smidge lighter for their size and have ambi decockers.

Very good summary of the differences.

I have been unable to find any grip panels in the box. I do see that the entire grip is removable but haven’t found any online for sale as far as different size options.

The decocker is strange enough from a guy without a lot of Sig time that I find myself going for the back of the slide(HK), but that same motion will get me in range of the Beretta style slide mounted as well.

Compared to the 226 Legion the slide lock on the Legion is almost unable to lock back it’s so tiny and the decocker is higher allowing easier manipulation without turning the pistol in hand. The 2022 trigger is heavier, and longer but better than the Legion trigger IMO.

[spinmove_]

Very good summary of the differences.

I have been unable to find any grip panels in the box. I do see that the entire grip is removable but haven’t found any online for sale as far as different size options.

The decocker is strange enough from a guy without a lot of Sig time that I find myself going for the back of the slide(HK), but that same motion will get me in range of the Beretta style slide mounted as well.

Compared to the 226 Legion the slide lock on the Legion is almost unable to lock back it’s so tiny and the decocker is higher allowing easier manipulation without turning the pistol in hand. The 2022 trigger is heavier, and longer but better than the Legion trigger IMO.

Weird, mine came with the Small and Medium panels. Good luck finding replacements, they are indeed hard to find. Check Top Gun Supply?

The decocker came naturally to me as I’d manipulated SIGs more than any other brand at the time and is basically exactly like the classic P-series.


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[ubervic]

I get how it feels clunky. But I recall getting used to it quickly, including the slide lock and the decocker.

Is it a perfect gun? No.
But it's a great platform to learn and/or master TDA with a damn good trigger at very low cost.

[LockedBreech]

Let this be a lesson for you then. I have rarely disliked a pistol so much and I have been through enough to know if I like them pretty fast at this point in the game.


I don't really understand the lesson, since I ended up liking it a lot the second time. Either way, I completely get what it's like to have a pistol reject your hand. My hand hated the Walther P99AS so much I never bothered shooting it, immediate sell.

[Redhat]

Whelp. Shot it today. Accurate and reliable but I can’t stand it. Seems way too big, clunky, and I hate both the slide stop and decocker.

This will be an expensive gun rental all said and done. 50 rounds and I have completely lost interest.

I still think it’s a good gun, but definitely not for me. 100x prefer the plastic Beretta or HK designs for a TDA gun.

Strange because I had a 226 Legion that I loved and this is kinda sorta a plastic 229.

Maybe you just need to shoot it more until you conform to it...then you'll grow to like it...follow the Glock philosophy.

Ok, I'm only kidding. I totally get where you're coming from and unless required to carry a certain model, there's too many choices out there to stay with one you don't like.

[Doc_Glock]

Maybe you just need to shoot it more until you conform to it...then you'll grow to like it...follow the Glock philosophy.

Ok, I'm only kidding. I totally get where you're coming from and unless required to carry a certain model, there's too many choices out there to stay with one you don't like.

I was probably too harsh. I handled it more tonight and feel like I should give it more time. Straightened the rear sight. May contact Sig to see if they will ship out a different height sight to get elevation straight and also to inquire about grip modules and whether this particular gun shipped with several, or just the one.

For the price it is a nice example of the Sig decocking system to have around.

[3-7-77]

I am on my 3rd 2022, which I am keeping. It took buying and selling the other two to decided what needed to be done for me to like it enough to keep one around. I sanded down the nubbin in the front of the slide release because it irritated my support hand thumb. The slide release lever and de-cocking lever got ground down re-profiled a bit as well so I can use my preferred high support hand grip. After all that, it shoots pretty well for me. I found a large grip on eBay that feels pretty good, I just need to texture it a bit.

[HCM]

I was probably too harsh. I handled it more tonight and feel like I should give it more time. Straightened the rear sight. May contact Sig to see if they will ship out a different height sight to get elevation straight and also to inquire about grip modules and whether this particular gun shipped with several, or just the one.

For the price it is a nice example of the Sig decocking system to have around.

The 2022 does not normally ship with multiple grips.

IME the 2022 benefits greatly from a mild undercut at the base of the trigger guard.

[HeavyDuty]

Yesterday I finally managed to pick my new 2022 up from the pusher. Hopefully, I’ll hit the range tomorrow or Tuesday.

I was thinking I’d need a small grip insert and a short trigger. As it turns out, mine came with the small insert instead of the expected medium (I have part 1600002) and the stock trigger is just fine, a shorter one would probably cause milking.

All I see doing to it at this point is swapping out the polymer recoil spring rod for stainless like I did on my P220 and new sights since mine came with contrast dots.

I’m impressed with the handling so far.

[ubervic]

One of the best qualities of the polymer frame is that you can eliminate hot spots easily. If the trigger guard gripes your middle finger, as it does for many, a few minutes careful sanding/dremeling with 600-grit, followed by another couple minutes with 1000-grit, will take the edge off and improve comfort dramatically.

[Doc_Glock]

Gave it another try yesterday. Things went better. Even with a slight rear sight adjustment I am still hitting slightly right with 115 grain at 25 yards. More concerning is the thing hits 6” above the tip of front at the same distance. That will only get worse with 147 grain.

It currently has #8 sights front and rear so I am going to see about replacing one of them.

I am getting more friendly with the decocker, and despite the flippy feeling, can shoot it up to my standards on a Supertest.

The trigger feels crazy long to me, and when I throw shots they seem to be high. Rapid fire went better than slow fire for me. I also tended to shoot it better DA than SA, but that is sort of typical for me with most TDA guns.

To be continued. I may keep it but doubt I will bother with holsters or extra mags for this one. It is just a good example of the Sig DA/SA system, in a very affordable package.

[HeavyDuty]

(snip) I may keep it but doubt I will bother with holsters or extra mags for this one. It is just a good example of the Sig DA/SA system, in a very affordable package.

That’s where I am, too - I’m committed to Glock for serious social uses, the 2022 is really just a toy because... moar guns.

[Doc_Glock]

I had a interesting conversation with Sig Customer service today:

1. The guns only ship with the Medium back strap. They used to ship with other options, but have not for the past 2.5 years. They only have Medium and Small grips available now.

2. Apparently it is physically impossible for my gun to be shooting as high at it seems to be (6" at 25 yards from tip of front). They test every gun five rounds at 10 yards using a combat hold and the rounds need to stay within a 3" circle. Supposedly. He recommended instead of shooting at 25 yards, I should bring it in to 10 and evaluate there using a combat (drive the dot) hold, and sandbags to remove me as a variable.

My comment: I already shot it free hand at 10 yards and it hit 2.5" above the front tip, and probably 4" above a drive the dot.

Apparently impossible according to CS agent. Nice guy and we will have to agree to disagree on this gun. However, I am always willing to consider that I am the loose nut in the picture so, will sandbag it and see if I am messed up.

[john c]

I have the same “shooting high” issue with Sigs. It’s because as a bullseye shooter I align the top of my sights. Sig wants you to line up the dots on the sights, so that the top of the front sight in the sight picture is lower than the top of the rear sights.

Lining up the top of the sights will raise the group 6 inches at 25 yards.


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[Doc_Glock]

I have the same “shooting high” issue with Sigs. It’s because as a bullseye shooter I align the top of my sights. Sig wants you to line up the dots on the sights, so that the top of the front sight in the sight picture is lower than the top of the rear sights.

Lining up the top of the sights will raise the group 6 inches at 25 yards.

Thanks for that.

To be clear, what I hear you saying: Sig wants the dots equal height, not the tops of the sights, and when the dots are equal height, the front sight top drops below the rear top.

To me that is all kinds of messed up, but I guess Sig marches to its own drummer. I wish the CS guy had made that point clear, it is a huge distinction.

When I had a P320, that dang thing hit right at the tip of the front out of the box. Scored a 98-4X@25 yards on a B8 in my first ten rounds with the gun!

[john c]

Thanks for that.

To be clear, what I hear you saying: Sig wants the dots equal height, not the tops of the sights, and when the dots are equal height, the front sight top drops below the rear top.

To me that is all kinds of messed up, but I guess Sig marches to its own drummer. I wish the CS guy had made that point clear, it is a huge distinction.

When I had a P320, that dang thing hit right at the tip of the front out of the box. Scored a 98-4X@25 yards on a B8 in my first ten rounds with the gun!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. If you look at the sights, and line up the dots, you'll see the front sight is "low". I agree, they could easily have made it so the dots AND the top of the front sight line up.

I had a 320, and had that issue with it.

[HeavyDuty]

I had a interesting conversation with Sig Customer service today:

1. The guns only ship with the Medium back strap. They used to ship with other options, but have not for the past 2.5 years. They only have Medium and Small grips available now.

(Snip)

My new one definitely came out of the box with a 160002 small back strap.

[HeavyDuty]

I took the SP2022 out for her maiden voyage at lunch, a quick 100 rounds of CCI Lawman 124g TMJ - my usual range ammunition.

Zero issues, good accuracy, decent trigger. I’m reminded how much I hate three dot sights with my current vision. I need to swap them out with my usual Ameriglo Hacks.

Other than that, I didn’t identify anything I need to change. A damn solid pistol.

[Doc_Glock]

My new one definitely came out of the box with a 160002 small back strap.

Mine also has that 160002 number on it. It seems Sig CS guy had his story wrong, or I misheard him.

[revchuck38]

Apparently it is physically impossible for my gun to be shooting as high at it seems to be (6" at 25 yards from tip of front). They test every gun five rounds at 10 yards using a combat hold and the rounds need to stay within a 3" circle. Supposedly. He recommended instead of shooting at 25 yards, I should bring it in to 10 and evaluate there using a combat (drive the dot) hold, and sandbags to remove me as a variable.

FWIW, I had the same issue with factory PX4 sights for the same reason. Once I replaced them with the Ameriglo CAP sights, the problem went away.

[spinmove_]

FWIW, I had the same issue with factory PX4 sights for the same reason. Once I replaced them with the Ameriglo CAP sights, the problem went away.

And this is why dots on sights are stupid.


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[UniSol]

I had a interesting conversation with Sig Customer service today:

1. The guns only ship with the Medium back strap. They used to ship with other options, but have not for the past 2.5 years. They only have Medium and Small grips available now.

Interesting-I have only seen them with the small (002) grips in the last year or so. If you look for the mediums (003), they show as discontinued....but so do the small ones. I was able to find a couple of medium (new style) grips on e-bay recently. Top Gun Supply has the older, "Sig Pro" marked mediums for 20 or 30 dollars. The large, Sig Pro marked grips are long discontinued but can be found on e-bay or on older 2340/2009 guns online.

[Doc_Glock]

Interesting-I have only seen them with the small (002) grips in the last year or so. If you look for the mediums (003), they show as discontinued....but so do the small ones. I was able to find a couple of medium (new style) grips on e-bay recently. Top Gun Supply has the older, "Sig Pro" marked mediums for 20 or 30 dollars. The large, Sig Pro marked grips are long discontinued but can be found on e-bay or on older 2340/2009 guns online.

Good info. Rep is wrong, mine clearly has 002 grip.

[Doc_Glock]

Did some sandbag rest shooting:

Hits 2.5” over dot at 10yds. (1.5” over tip). 6.5” over the dot at 25yds(4” over tip).

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I don’t usually shoot off a rest I just put it under my wrists. Still had a flyer which is amazing given how solid one feels.

[Doc_Glock]

Question: I am debating getting some Dawson Chargers. Does the 2022 share the same sight dovetail with the "Sig P Series?"

https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-sig-p-series-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/
(https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-sig-p-series-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/)
Dawson thought I should order the above, but even they sounded a little unsure.

[UniSol]

Everything I have read says yes, they are the same. I think there's at least one who has responded here who can confirm.

[UniSol]

Larry's in Huntsville is doing new 2022s for 389/9% tax.

[Doc_Glock]

I spent some time comparing the 2022 to a 226 yesterday. I thought the internals would be kinda the same. Nope. Completely different gun.

Grip and height of firing pin above grip is same to possible a little lower on the 2022.

Med grip helps with the premature slide release activation, I wish I could source a Large.

Still seems like an incredibly well built gun for the price.

[DA_Auto]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38142-Sig-SP2022-A-few-questions-observationsThe Sig 2022 in .40 s&w is not my best pistol -- but it is my pistol of choice

I got into 10mm 2yr ago and loved it , so I just had to try out a .40 s&w , and I now shoot the 2022 .40 cal more than any 9mm , or 10mm as the format is right in the middle and is just right for me . I cast and reload and learned that the 2022 .40 cal only likes round nose flat point bullets or a Truncated Cone that has a big curve to the meplate .

I'm sure I will be buying another 2022 .40cal cause I have no doubt I will run the one I have now to death

[David S.]

In case anyone is interested. An ad for mags, threaded barrel and a holster (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/2350032164) over on SIG Forum. I don't know anything about the seller. PM if you need his email.

[LSP552]

I love classic SIG P series TDAs. I’ve done my best shooting with them and have carries them for more years than any other pistol. Having said that, I never could warm up to the 2022. For me, plastic is for weight savings and there really isn’t all that much vs a 228. Agree that it’s a great gun for the price.

[JonInWA]

Compare the trigger pull of a 2022 out of the box to a comparable P228 or P229 and let us know your thoughts then. And yes, I've had all three...Best, Jon

[Duelist]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38142-Sig-SP2022-A-few-questions-observationsThe Sig 2022 in .40 s&w is not my best pistol -- but it is my pistol of choice

I got into 10mm 2yr ago and loved it , so I just had to try out a .40 s&w , and I now shoot the 2022 .40 cal more than any 9mm , or 10mm as the format is right in the middle and is just right for me . I cast and reload and learned that the 2022 .40 cal only likes round nose flat point bullets or a Truncated Cone that has a big curve to the meplate .

I'm sure I will be buying another 2022 .40cal cause I have no doubt I will run the one I have now to death

That’s a tough gun. Awesome goal. Might wear you our first.

[HeavyDuty]

Compare the trigger pull of a 2022 out of the box to a comparable P228 or P229 and let us know your thoughts then. And yes, I've had all three...Best, Jon

Not a P228 or P229, but my 2022 compares quite favorably to my P220.

[UniSol]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38142-Sig-SP2022-A-few-questions-observationsThe Sig 2022 in .40 s&w is not my best pistol -- but it is my pistol of choice

I got into 10mm 2yr ago and loved it , so I just had to try out a .40 s&w , and I now shoot the 2022 .40 cal more than any 9mm , or 10mm as the format is right in the middle and is just right for me . I cast and reload and learned that the 2022 .40 cal only likes round nose flat point bullets or a Truncated Cone that has a big curve to the meplate .

I'm sure I will be buying another 2022 .40cal cause I have no doubt I will run the one I have now to death

Nice....any idea of your current round count?

[DA_Auto]

Nice....any idea of your current round count?


I did not count , but with a good guess 3000 + , and NO problems

[Doc_Glock]

Got the Medium grip frame and Dawson Chargers installed. Won’t get to shoot for a while unfortunately.

The rear Dawson pounded in easily. The front required slight sanding on the bottom to fit.

Let’s hope these get the gun zeroed. If not at least I can use the Dawson guarantee to get a sight the proper height. Sig was no help at all. These are my favorite sights anyway.

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[UniSol]

The rear Dawson pounded in easily. The front required slight sanding on the bottom to fit.




Excellent....did you use a sight pusher or were you able to do it with a punch? I read somewhere that SP dovetails were ridiculously tight.

[Doc_Glock]

Excellent....did you use a sight pusher or were you able to do it with a punch? I read somewhere that SP dovetails were ridiculously tight.

I did it with the Dawson tools and a brass hammer. Rear I was able to do on the work bench. Front required sand paper and the slide in a vise.

They were nothing like Beretta sights as far as difficulty.

Not sure why why I am doing all this. I just can’t stand an un-zeroed pistol.

[backtrail540]

Can the 2022 be milled for an rds? I haven't seen one and a search brought up nothing. The mention of it being different internally, from p series guns, makes me wonder if it's possible or even worthwhile?

[UniSol]

Can the 2022 be milled for an rds? I haven't seen one and a search brought up nothing. The mention of it being different internally, from p series guns, makes me wonder if it's possible or even worthwhile?


There's a thread on here where somebody mentioned contacting Mark Housel about milling one, but I don't know what came of that. It was 3 or 4 years ago.