Question about reciprocity once Oklahoma goes full constitutional carry.

[corneileous]

As most of you guys know, Oklahoma- come November first, will join the other 15 states that have free right to carry firearms. My question is, if anybody knows or not, is how that will work with reciprocity once this passes? I’m pretty sure we have reciprocity with pretty much every free state but does that mean we can carry permitless in those states as well? What about north Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming that state “residents only”? I’m assuming this means that only the residents of those states can carry permitless? Are they going to require we have a permit even though we no longer require one? And I guess the same goes for states like Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan and Pennsylvania to name a few that state Oklahoma residential license only? What’s the difference between the blue states and the yellow states?

And well I guess lastly, once we get closer to November, I’m assuming there’s probably still gonna be some last minute reciprocity agreements probably still being worked out between us and other states who charge their residents to exorcise their gun rights.

I’m just wondering if we’ll still need to have a permit for out-of-state travel which I guess as long as we weren’t charged for it, that’d be alright I suppose.



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[SkippySanchez]

I’m just wondering if we’ll still need to have a permit for out-of-state travel which I guess as long as we weren’t charged for it, that’d be alright I suppose.

Yup. Regardless of your home state rules, you have to abide by the rules of the state you're traveling through. "Constitutional carry" in Oklahoma doesn't mean squat in California, Illinois or any other state.

Re: "....as long as we weren’t charged for it, that’d be alright I suppose."
What do you mean?



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[corneileous]

Yup. Regardless of your home state rules, you have to abide by the rules of the state you're traveling through. "Constitutional carry" in Oklahoma doesn't mean squat in California, Illinois or any other state.

Oh I know it doesn’t mean shit in those states plus Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and most of the states in the NE but should in all the other states we have reciprocity with. I’m just wondering what will change, if we will still have reciprocity with most those states we already have it with. Since Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas are constitutional carry states already, I wouldn’t be surprised if we need actual permits for those states but what’s funny is that for the longest time, the states that don’t require permits, can still carry permit-less here even though we have to...



Re: "....as long as we weren’t charged for it, that’d be alright I suppose."
What do you mean?
Well, as long as we don’t travel outside of our own state, and if what I said was true about traveling to Kansas or Missouri or Arkansas, that we won’t have to have a permit at all because they are permit-less as well. But if we travel anywhere else, and have to have an actual paper permit, as long as we didn’t get charged for that, I guess that would be fine. I mean, it would just strictly be for travel purposes, I really can’t see Oklahoma charging us for a permit when they’re just now passing permit-less carry when you can now carry your gun for free, just to travel to a state that we have reciprocity with that still requires we have an actual paper permit.

That’s really all I’m trying to find out is hows this all gonna work out once it all goes into effect. I assuming they’ll inform us one way or the other to any changes in laws/regulations or more importantly, of there’s states that no longer honor our permit like they did before, etc etc....


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[scjbash]

You're overthinking it. Constitutional carry is going to let you carry without a permit in your state. Everything else is going to remain the same. You're still going to be able to get a permit, I can pretty much guarantee they're still going to charge you for it (the government doesn't give up a revenue source without a fight), and you're still going to need it anywhere that required it before.

We passed Constitutional carry here and I did my part to make it happen, but it has had zero effect on my life.

[corneileous]

You're overthinking it. Constitutional carry is going to let you carry without a permit in your state. Everything else is going to remain the same. You're still going to be able to get a permit, I can pretty much guarantee they're still going to charge you for it (the government doesn't give up a revenue source without a fight), and you're still going to need it anywhere that required it before.
What exactly am I overthinking? But if I’m reading you right, you’re saying that no matter what- even if it’s a state that has permit-less carry just like we’re going to in a couple months that, we’re still going to have to have the same permit that we’ve had to have, this whole time, that you say we’re gonna have to continue to pay for?? How did you come to that conclusion? I already said that Oklahoma already let’s all the other constitutional carry states carry in our state- the same way they can carry in their own state- without a permit.


We passed Constitutional carry here and I did my part to make it happen, but it has had zero effect on my life.
What do you mean? I don’t expect this to be a total life-changing event or nothin’ but, it will be nice to finally be able to carry without being swindled out of money to pay for a permission slip. Hopefully a lot more people will carry once this goes into effect, too. I reckon a lot of people don’t carry as it is because they either can’t afford the permit or they just don’t wanna have to pay for it, so they do without. Convincing themselves to feel they don’t need to just to save money.



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[Trav]

Constitutional carry is going to let you carry without a permit in your state. Everything else is going to remain the same. You're still going to be able to get a permit, I can pretty much guarantee they're still going to charge you for it (the government doesn't give up a revenue source without a fight), and you're still going to need it anywhere that required it before.

^^^THIS^^^

Oklahoma constitutional carry legislation affects only Oklahoma. It did not affect any other states. According to handgunlaw.us, " AK, AZ, AR, KS, KY, ME, MS, MO, NH, SD, VT & WV - anyone who can legally possess a firearm can carry Concealed W/O a Permit." Other than that, change relies upon individual reciprocity agreements being tweaked.

It did not change the permitting system. Some folks will elect to continue getting the permit for a variety of reasons. OSBI will still have their hands out, as SDA licences have been generating them $2-4 million/year in profit, which is why they fought this law tooth and nail. They say the current system costs $2M in admin costs each year. You're high if you think they're going to do that for free.

[Stephanie B]

Be very careful about carrying without a permit.

Example: In MO, if a person carried into a business that posted a “no guns” sign and if the owner called the cops, the person with the permit first would be asked to leave the premises. The person without a permit could be charged with trespassing.

[Hambo]

What exactly am I overthinking?

Nothing. You're not thinking enough.

[O4L]

The short answer is that YES you will still need a permit to carry in the states that require a permit for reciprocity with Oklahoma, although no permit will be required to carry in Oklahoma, and YES the state will still charge for the permits.

I haven't traveled out of state in several years but because I might at some point, I will be keeping a carry permit at least for now.

Also, the new law in Oklahoma is actually Permitless Carry and not truly Constitutional Carry.

[corneileous]

The short answer is that YES you will still need a permit to carry in the states that require a permit for reciprocity with Oklahoma, although no permit will be required to carry in Oklahoma, and YES the state will still charge for the permits.

Will every state that we have reciprocity with, be that way? I didnt look up every state but I did find that at least with Arizona and Missouri- who are Constitutional carry states, can carry in my state just the same as they can in their own state. I don’t know about all the other constitutional carry states that we have reciprocity with because I’m just more less worried about my own state right now.

But what exactly do you mean when you say that Oklahoma will still charge for these permits if we want to be able to carry outside our state lines with states that we have reciprocity with? Are they just going to charge for the small piece of plastic, paper and their time to make the permit or are they actually going to charge us full price just like if the laws haven’t changed at all we still have to have a permit to carry in our own state?

I hope you’re not right about that but if you are, that’s some serious bullshit on Oklahoma’s part if you ask me.


Also, the new law in Oklahoma is actually Permitless Carry and not truly Constitutional Carry.

First, what’s the difference? Second, from everywhere I’ve read, they’re calling Oklahoma’s new system constitutional carry.

And yeah, I’m sure you’ll see it too a the bottom of that screenshot that I took, that does say I’ll still need a permit if I carry across state lines; but as you can see, or if you go on gunstocarry’s website you’ll see that there really is no explanation at all to really tell you what all that stands for.
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[corneileous]

Nothing. You're not thinking enough.

According to scjbash I am overthinking it.

But please, explain why you think I’m not thinking this enough??


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[WobblyPossum]

Your state’s new law will allow anyone who can legally possess a handgun to carry one within Oklahoma’s borders. Other states want a little bit more than that. Unless a stats allows residents and non-residents alike to carry without a permit, you’ll still need a permit to carry in it. Having a permit means that the government ran a background check on you and you checked out okay. That gives governments warm and fuzzy feelings. When you pay the permit fee you’re paying for the background check, the employees who work in the system, the maintenance of the database, etc. There is absolutely no way that your state will do all that for free. Look at Arizona if you want an example. It’s a constitutional carry state that also offers a permit that you have to pay for.

You said you drive a truck for a living in your intro post right? If that takes you out of state, you’re going to want to keep your permit active and current.

[corneileous]

Be very careful about carrying without a permit.
That’s why I’m trying to rake in as much info as I can...[emoji41]


Example: In MO, if a person carried into a business that posted a “no guns” sign and if the owner called the cops, the person with the permit first would be asked to leave the premises. The person without a permit could be charged with trespassing.

So what is it are you trying to tell me? Missouri is a lot like Oklahoma when it comes to “robbers welcome” signs. We don’t give these signs weight of the law but in Oklahoma, but if you stick around and don’t leave long enough for the cop to show up after you’ve done been asked to leave, all we have to worry about is a misdemeanor trespassing charge.

But I’m curious; I take it you live in Missouri, or are from there? So how does your Constitutional carry work? If I’ve been reading everything right, at least when you come to my state you don’t have to have a permit of any kind and you can carry in Oklahoma just the same as you can in Missouri… without a permit.

Do you still have to have a permit to carry in states that you have reciprocity with that still require their own residents to have a permit? If so what are they charging for those permits?


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[Stephanie B]

That’s why I’m trying to rake in as much info as I can...[emoji41]

So what is it are you trying to tell me? Missouri is a lot like Oklahoma when it comes to “robbers welcome” signs. We don’t give these signs weight of the law but in Oklahoma, but if you stick around and don’t leave long enough for the cop to show up after you’ve done been asked to leave, all we have to worry about is a misdemeanor trespassing charge.

But I’m curious; I take it you live in Missouri, or are from there? So how does your Constitutional carry work? If I’ve been reading everything right, at least when you come to my state you don’t have to have a permit of any kind and you can carry in Oklahoma just the same as you can in Missouri… without a permit.

Do you still have to have a permit to carry in states that you have reciprocity with that still require their own residents to have a permit? If so what are they charging for those permits?
I was a lawyer there. So nothing I say is legal advice. They keep changing the laws with regard to that.

One wrinkle was open-carry. A city (even wide-spots-in-the-road with fifty people were "cities") could prohibit open carry, but that prohibition was ineffective if the person had a carry permit.

when I was in practice, I advised people to not rely on permitless carry, but to get a permit. It wasn't that hard to get one.

[corneileous]

^^^THIS^^^

Oklahoma constitutional carry legislation affects only Oklahoma. It did not affect any other states. According to handgunlaw.us, " AK, AZ, AR, KS, KY, ME, MS, MO, NH, SD, VT & WV - anyone who can legally possess a firearm can carry Concealed W/O a Permit." Other than that, change relies upon individual reciprocity agreements being tweaked.

It did not change the permitting system. Some folks will elect to continue getting the permit for a variety of reasons. OSBI will still have their hands out, as SDA licences have been generating them $2-4 million/year in profit, which is why they fought this law tooth and nail. They say the current system costs $2M in admin costs each year. You're high if you think they're going to do that for free.

Man, I realize that Oklahoma’s new law only covers Oklahoma. That’s not what I’m asking. Really all I’m asking is that as it sits right now, at least the people who live in Arizona and Missouri can travel to our state of Oklahoma and not have to have a permit issued to them by their home state in order to travel here so I just wondered if that same generosity would be shown to us when we go constitutional carry. That, and if the states that we have reciprocity with that still charge their residents to have a permit, are they still going to require us to have a permit to continue carrying in their state?

Where are you getting all your information from thats telling you all this?

But yeah I know that’s the reason why they fought this the way they did was because they were gonna lose out on so much revenue from the permit system but if what you say is true, and we’re going to still have to buy a permit just the same as we do right now to travel out of the state of Oklahoma then why’s is many people complaining?? Hell, based on what you’re saying and what everybody else is saying, the only time Oklahoma’s going to be losing out on profit is from people who are only going to carry in Oklahoma and leave their gun at home when they travel because they’ll still have to pay for that luxury.

Here I was thinking our new Constitutional carry that we’re about to have was going to be some pretty cool shit but if the only time we won’t have to pay for our rights is when we don’t travel....lol. Real useful.


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[corneileous]

I was a lawyer there. So nothing I say is legal advice. They keep changing the laws with regard to that.

One wrinkle was open-carry. A city (even wide-spots-in-the-road with fifty people were "cities") could prohibit open carry, but that prohibition was ineffective if the person had a carry permit.

when I was in practice, I advised people to not rely on permitless carry, but to get a permit. It wasn't that hard to get one.

Well no, it probably isn’t but still, the whole fact of the matter is that when your state goes Constitutional carry, you can’t blame people for expecting their state to ensure that they no longer require you to have to pay for an infringing permission slip to exercise your rights.

But irregardless, I’m not really worried about that because I don’t live in Missouri. The only thing really that I am curious about is what do you do when you travel outside of Missouri?? As I said before, from what I read at least is that when you come to Oklahoma you can still carry permitless here like you can if you’re in your own state but what about other states you have reciprocity agreements with that they still require a permit for their own people?


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[corneileous]

Your state’s new law will allow anyone who can legally possess a handgun to carry one within Oklahoma’s borders. Other states want a little bit more than that. Unless a stats allows residents and non-residents alike to carry without a permit, you’ll still need a permit to carry in it. Having a permit means that the government ran a background check on you and you checked out okay. That gives governments warm and fuzzy feelings. When you pay the permit fee you’re paying for the background check, the employees who work in the system, the maintenance of the database, etc. There is absolutely no way that your state will do all that for free. Look at Arizona if you want an example. It’s a constitutional carry state that also offers a permit that you have to pay for.
So where are you finding this information?

Hopefully people who live in the other constitutional carry states would chime in and talk about what their state says they have to do when they travel out of their own state and if for one, if they do have to get a permit and two, if the state charges them for that permit, just for the sake of issuing it.


You said you drive a truck for a living in your intro post right? If that takes you out of state, you’re going to want to keep your permit active and current.

I don’t run all 48 cross country anymore like I used to but, there is times where I still have to haul down in Texas.


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[Stephanie B]

[W]hat about other states you have reciprocity agreements with that they still require a permit for their own people?

Then you probably would need a permit. That may be why a lot of states that have gone to permitless carry also issue permits.

[corneileous]

Then you probably would need a permit. That may be why a lot of states that have gone to permitless carry also issue permits.

So does Missouri charge their residents for those permits that they have to use to travel to other states that they have reciprocity agreements with?


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[corneileous]

I guess I’m just gonna have to try to either call or email the OSBI and see if they can at least direct me to where I need to go to see what’s going to change when this all happens and if they’re going to charge the same as they are now for a permit just to carry outside of Oklahoma.


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[CWM11B]

NC recognizes every permit in the country, regardless of whether the other states reciprocate. There is, however, no "permitless" carry. If you live in a constitutional carry state and come to NC, you cannot legally carry concealed without a valid permit. Open carry is legal with some exceptions in the statute as well as posted private property.

[scjbash]

corneileous Be it overthinking or underthinking, or however you want to put it, you keep asking the same questions after getting the answers. If you boil it all the way down what you're left with is that the law changes nothing other than being allowed to carry in Oklahoma without a permit. That's it. It doesn't change anything that happens in other states, it doesn't change reciprocity with other states, it doesn't change how much a permit costs, or anything else. It ONLY means that people can carry in Oklahoma without a permit.

"Hopefully people who live in the other constitutional carry states would chime in and talk about what their state says they have to do when they travel out of their own state and if for one, if they do have to get a permit and two, if the state charges them for that permit, just for the sake of issuing it."

Their state(which includes mine) doesn't have anything to say about what they have to do when traveling out of their own state. That's solely up to the state they are visiting. Oklahoma passing Con Carry will have no effect whatsoever on what other states require. If they required you to have a permit before you are going to have to have a permit now, and Oklahoma is going to charge you the exact same as they always have. You weren't paying for your right to carry in Oklahoma. You were paying for them to admin the system and because it was a way for them to fleece money from you. They still have to admin the system and they still want to fleece money from you, so they are still going to charge you.

That's why I said it has zero effect on my life. I travel into states that require a permit, so I still get a permit. Nothing has changed for me at all. If you travel into places that require you to have a permit you will still need a permit, so Con Carry will change nothing for you either.

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"Really all I’m asking is that as it sits right now, at least the people who live in Arizona and Missouri can travel to our state of Oklahoma and not have to have a permit issued to them by their home state in order to travel here so I just wondered if that same generosity would be shown to us when we go constitutional carry." - Other states couldn't care less what Oklahoma lets people do. Nothing about their requirements or lack thereof will change.

"if the states that we have reciprocity with that still charge their residents to have a permit, are they still going to require us to have a permit to continue carrying in their state" - Yes

[Spartan1980]

Look at it like this. Your question is about reciprocity.

Oklahoma has the SDA permit. Other states have their own which is substantially the same, therefore they reciprocate.

If you don't have an OK SDA permit, the other state can't reciprocate because there's nothing to reciprocate with.

[corneileous]

NC recognizes every permit in the country, regardless of whether the other states reciprocate. There is, however, no "permitless" carry. If you live in a constitutional carry state and come to NC, you cannot legally carry concealed without a valid permit. Open carry is legal with some exceptions in the statute as well as posted private property.

I can understand that probably pretty much all the states that we have agreements with- that even with our constitutional carry, are probably still going to require that we still have a permit to carry in those other states; and I would think that’s fine as long as Oklahoma doesn’t charge me to do it. It’s like, if Oklahoma is going to charge me the same price for a permit just to travel to states that we have agreements with, they might as well just wipe that slate clean and not have any agreements with anybody. Because if that’s the case, it’s stupid to charge for a permit just to do that when you’re not charging anybody else as long as they stay within state lines. Especially since considering that Oklahoma has agreements with- I’m pretty sure every state that already has Constitutional carry, that all those residents- in all those permit-less states, can carry here in Oklahoma without a permit, just the same as they can in their own state.

But AnyWho, I still have an Oklahoma-issued permission slip that I got in 2016 that’ll be good until roughly about this time in 2021 so I’ll be good permit
-wise to continue carrying in the states that we have agreements with, however that changes in the next several months.

I went ahead and emailed OSBI so we’ll see what they tell me when and if they answer me back.


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[baddean]

I guess I’m just gonna have to try to either call or email the OSBI and see if they can at least direct me to where I need to go to see what’s going to change when this all happens and if they’re going to charge the same as they are now for a permit just to carry outside of Oklahoma.


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Had you done this to begin with this thread would have been considerably shorter and your information more accurate and to the point.

[corneileous]

Since everybody seems to be on the same page of thinking what I’m asking which I guess I’m confusing everybody to what I’m actually asking, I’m just going to make a response to the whole thread instead of an individual person.

Yes, my main question is roughly about reciprocity but what I’m trying to ask is how is Oklahoma going to handle that if I. still need that cute little permission slip to do it?

I realize that when somebody said that reciprocity is about permits, and if Oklahoma no longer has a permit then there’s nothing to reciprocate with. I get that. Which is why I assume the states that are constitutional already, probably won’t require us to have one in their state either.

But I just thought of something. Concerning the whole part about Oklahoma not being able to necessarily reciprocate back with states that makes their residents buy a permit; how can you really say that we don’t have nothing to reciprocate back with because in my opinion, let’s take Texas for example; that’s the state that I’ll travel the most to because I’m only less than an hour away from it. I travel there a lot for work and leisure. To me, as long as we allow those Texans to have their permit honored in Oklahoma, then they should reciprocate back and let us carry permitless in their state. I mean after all; and I’ll say it again, even right now that Oklahoma is still currently a permit state, we still allow everybody who lives in Constitutional carry states to carry in our state without a permit.


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[corneileous]

Had you done this to begin with this thread would have been considerably shorter and your information more accurate and to the point.

Well, please except my deepest apologies I spose but I just now thought of that not too long ago, and I figured that since this is a web forum where people come to discuss things, I figured maybe I could grab some answers here as well. Hopefully get to hear from some of the people who live in constitutional carry states on what they have to do to carry to the other states that they have reciprocity agreements with, that still believe in requiring permits.


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[baddean]

Well, please except my deepest apologies I spose but I just now thought of that not too long ago, and I figured that since this is a web forum where people come to discuss things, I figured maybe I could grab some answers here as well. Hopefully get to hear from some of the people who live in constitutional carry states on what they have to do to carry to the other states that they have reciprocity agreements with, that still believe in requiring permits.


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Apology and discussion accepted. Arguing.....not so much.

[corneileous]

Apology and discussion accepted. Arguing.....not so much.

Well bud, I’m sorry you see it that way and I seriously apologize for my part of making it seem like arguing but, that’s not what I want. That’s not what I’m after. I created a simple thread to discuss it.

But since a lot of you has said I’m still going to have to have a paid-for, Oklahoma-issued permit to carry in whatever states we’ll end up having reciprocity with after this goes into effect then I guess it’s end of discussion.

I’ll update the thread whenever OSBI responds back.


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[SkippySanchez]

This has sure been entertaining.


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[TheNewbie]

Dude, you are on the best forum of the net period. Just get a permit, and don't worry about it (as long as you follow the law) if you are in a state that honor Oklahoma permits. If You are in a state that doesn't, then follow their laws and regulations.


Otherwise, sit back, relax, enjoy and learn from the best forum on the net.

[corneileous]

This has sure been entertaining.


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I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

I guess mine and your ideas of entertainment are certainly two different things....


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[corneileous]

Dude, you are on the best forum of the net period. Just get a permit, and don't worry about it (as long as you follow the law) if you are in a state that honor Oklahoma permits. If You are in a state that doesn't, then follow their laws and regulations.


Otherwise, sit back, relax, enjoy and learn from the best forum on the net.

I think following the law regardless of where you’re at, applies first and foremost.

But yeah, I already do have a permission slip. I’ve had it since 2016 and it’ll expire this time 2021 so, at least I’m covered for a while for whatever they decide. Im just curious for everybody else that has never had a permit, how this new legislation will affect them.


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[5pins]

I live in a constitutional carry state and I still have to get a permit to carry in other states that recognize WV permits. That's what you, and other Oklahoma residents, will need to do.

41539

[corneileous]

I live in a constitutional carry state and I still have to get a permit to carry in other states that recognize WV permits. That's what you, and other Oklahoma residents, will need to do.

41539

Well, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see after they work out all the bugs. But it’s starting to look like there certainly is that possibility of some permit states that will honor our constitutional carry. Or it may just perhaps only be the other permission slip-free states that will honor our new system. Either way, they’ll have just under two years to reconfigure their current reciprocity agreements.


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[Norville]

I guess mine and your ideas of entertainment are certainly two different things....


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It’s a pretty simple concept.

Both the need for the permit (or permission slip as you call it) out of state and the dead-horse-beating nature of this thread.

Some states allow permit less carry for all eligible persons. I’m in one now. You can carry there without a permit from your home state, or without them having a reciprocal agreement with your home state.

Some states only allow permit less carry by their residents. Non residents need a permit from their home, or other recognized state.

Some states want a permit to look at.

In no case do I see free permits being issued.

[corneileous]

Both the need for the permit (or permission slip as you call it) out of state and the dead-horse-beating nature of this thread.
Yes, most of the time I refer to infringing permits as permission slips.


Some states allow permit less carry for all eligible persons. I’m in one now. You can carry there without a permit from your home state, or without them having a reciprocal agreement with your home state.
In Wisconsin?


In no case do I see free permits being issued.
Well, they could, they just don’t want to. I mean, my state could just charge a small fee for the cost of making the permission slip and to pay someone to make it or, those other states that just have to have a permission slip from us, could just recognize our drivers license as our permit but again, they just simply don’t want to.

Hopefully our neighboring states won’t make us have to still keep an Oklahoma permission slip.



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[Norville]

In Wisconsin?

No, New Hampshire on business.

I need a permit in WI. NH is constitutional carry for all eligible persons, so the fact that they don’t have reciprocal recognition with WI is moot.

[corneileous]

No, New Hampshire on business.

I need a permit in WI. NH is constitutional carry for all eligible persons, so the fact that they don’t have reciprocal recognition with WI is moot.

I figured you were talking about your home state.


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[corneileous]

Well, after a few exchanges of emails trying to get the exact information I was looking for, you guys are right- the OSBI permit thing is still going to be the same as it always has been, just hopefully only for those states we have reciprocity with who won’t honor our constitutional carry directly.

If you still wish to carry in these states that want that almighty permit, then nothing virtually will change if you insist on carrying to these states and what to do it legally. You’ll still have to maintain a permit, or if you’re one of the many who has never gotten a permit, you’ll still have to pay the on average 60 to 80 bucks to take the redundant SDA class, pay the 25 bucks to your county’s sheriff department for the fingerprinting and initial background check and then have all your application stuff sent to the OSBI for the usually three month long background check along with your 100 or 200 dollar check for the 5 year or ten year permit.

Hopefully the majority of states who still require their residents to have an infringing permission slip will honor our constitutional carry rights just the same as we have all along to the majority of other constitutional carry states.


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[AKDoug]

Are you new to this fight? I remember when I couldn't travel and carry concealed in many places I now do. I get it that you aren't happy with licensing, I get it why you aren't happy, but it is the way it is. I continue to write my letters and support groups that support nation wide reciprocity. If you think that we are getting nationwide reciprocity in the form of constitutional carry, you are sadly mistaken. It will be a permitting process if it ever happens.


I'm actually more pissed about the fact I can't buy handguns in states that I am not a resident in.

Honestly, if you can't afford the $150 to get a permit, you probably aren't traveling outside the state very often anyways. At least constitutional carry allows people of all wealth classes to have equal rights in concealed carry within the state they reside in.

[Doublestack45]

Some years ago I took a flight from NH where I live, to Orlando Florida. NH and FL had reciprocity for carrying concealed provided that the person was a permit holder in their home state.
I followed the TSA instructions for the airline I used and upon arriving in Orlando, proceeded to load the mags/gun and enjoyed my stay.
Since that time NH no longer requires residents to obtain a permit to carry concealed, much like it's bordering states Maine and Vermont. But in order to enjoy the reciprocity with other states like Florida, I still need to maintain my permit ($10 for 5 years) issued from my hometown chief of police.
It's very simple and straightforward provided you can read and follow the rules.

[corneileous]

Are you new to this fight? I remember when I couldn't travel and carry concealed in many places I now do. I get it that you aren't happy with licensing, I get it why you aren't happy, but it is the way it is. I continue to write my letters and support groups that support nation wide reciprocity. If you think that we are getting nationwide reciprocity in the form of constitutional carry, you are sadly mistaken. It will be a permitting process if it ever happens.

What do you mean, am I new to this fight? I think I get partially what you mean but no, if I’m understanding what you’re saying, I’m not necessarily new to this fight. And yeah, I get that states- including mine, are always going to try to get as much money as they can.


I’m actually more pissed about the fact I can’t buy handguns in states that I am not a resident in.
I get that, and yes, I sympathize with you on that because I feel it is a silly law because no matter where you’re at, anytime you buy a gun legally, you’re still going to have to get a background check on it so what difference does it make if you buy a gun in your own state or somewhere else?

So far, every pistol I own has been bought in my own state so I’ve never really been concerned with the fact that I can’t do it somewhere else because I can get the same pistol in my state just as easily as I can in another state except for only one time where I wanted a specific pistol that I bought off Bud‘s gun shop and had to have it transferred to a local gun shop where I live. $25 later, I had my pistol. I mean yeah, the gun was a lot cheaper through Bud’s that it would’ve been if my local gun shop had availability to order it from one of their suppliers but even then, if he would’ve been able to order it from one of his own suppliers, I would’ve paid a lot more for it and that I would have from Bud‘s guns so in that case, the $25 transfer fee was insignificant. I still made out better in the end.


Honestly, if you can’t afford the $150 to get a permit, you probably aren’t traveling outside the state very often anyways. At least constitutional carry allows people of all wealth classes to have equal rights in concealed carry within the state they reside in.

It’s not that I can’t afford it, it’s just that it irks me that my state... being a constitutional carry state... you know, a state that obviously cares a little bit more about our gun rights, is taking advantage of us just because some states will still require us to have a silly permission slip.

But hey, it’s all right. My current permit is still good for another two more years so, I’ll have plenty of time to decide whether or not I want to maintain a permit for those states that wanna be dicks.

But then again, since I’m only less than an hour away from the northern state line of Texas, if Texas is still going to require us to have a permit then I’ll just probably have no choice but to keep a permit because I go there a lot. But at least on the bright side with Texas though- since they allow everybody who’s legally able to carry a gun, to carry a loaded one concealed in their vehicle- at least I can still carry... just not on me.


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[corneileous]

Some years ago I took a flight from NH where I live, to Orlando Florida. NH and FL had reciprocity for carrying concealed provided that the person was a permit holder in their home state.
I followed the TSA instructions for the airline I used and upon arriving in Orlando, proceeded to load the mags/gun and enjoyed my stay.
Since that time NH no longer requires residents to obtain a permit to carry concealed, much like it's bordering states Maine and Vermont. But in order to enjoy the reciprocity with other states like Florida, I still need to maintain my permit ($10 for 5 years) issued from my hometown chief of police.
It's very simple and straightforward provided you can read and follow the rules.

I don’t know what kind of requirements and all that New Hampshire puts first-time permit-seekers through in your state to get their permit but at least in Oklahoma once you’ve already got your permit, that $10 for five years that you have to pay is a far cry cheaper than for five years over here.

But I think that even for me myself, I could find a way to live with just 10 bucks every five years. I’d still probably curse and kick the dirt but 10 bucks every five years really isn’t worth all that much to get beht out of shape over.


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[Doublestack45]

I don’t know what kind of requirements and all that New Hampshire puts first-time permit-seekers through in your state to get their permit but at least in Oklahoma once you’ve already got your permit, that $10 for five years that you have to pay is a far cry cheaper than for five years over here.

But I think that even for me myself, I could find a way to live with just 10 bucks every five years. I’d still probably curse and kick the dirt but 10 bucks every five years really isn’t worth all that much to get beht out of shape over.


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My post was not meant as a way to gloat, but more that one has to deal with the situation at hand.
Due to my proximity to the Maine state border I maintained a non resident Maine permit as well for ten years, with all the associated regulation; high fees, photos, proof of proficiency. Being a transplant from New York State.....I really do get it. No one says you can't change your own situation.
For "me" moving out of NY almost 25 years ago after college to a free state had positive benefits that transcend the ability to carry a gun concealed. Attitude and people are much different.
That said, NH's rules are about as non restrictive as you can get. If you are legally able to purchase a gun, you can walk out of the store and carry it concealed. Zero knife laws also.
Sorry for sounding like I work for the NH tourism board.....if you like to shoot, it's nice here.

[Hambo]

It’s not that I can’t afford it, it’s just that it irks me that my state... being a constitutional carry state... you know, a state that obviously cares a little bit more about our gun rights, is taking advantage of us just because some states will still require us to have a silly permission slip.

That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that your state is giving you the ability to carry in permit only states. The state government in OK negotiated and maintains reciprocity on your behalf.

[corneileous]

My post was not meant as a way to gloat, but more that one has to deal with the situation at hand.
Due to my proximity to the Maine state border I maintained a non resident Maine permit as well for ten years, with all the associated regulation; high fees, photos, proof of proficiency. Being a transplant from New York State.....I really do get it. No one says you can't change your own situation.
For "me" moving out of NY almost 25 years ago after college to a free state had positive benefits that transcend the ability to carry a gun concealed. Attitude and people are much different.
That said, NH's rules are about as non restrictive as you can get. If you are legally able to purchase a gun, you can walk out of the store and carry it concealed. Zero knife laws also.
Sorry for sounding like I work for the NH tourism board.....if you like to shoot, it's nice here.

Well no, I wasn’t taking it like you were gloating, but it did seem as though you were in kind of a way just tellin’ me to suck it up....lol. And like I said, depending on the places I travel too all the time- primarily Texas because I’m just right there, I may have to suck it up if I wanna carry on me legally.

It just depends on how worth it, it is when it comes time to renew in a couple years.



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[corneileous]

That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that your state is giving you the ability to carry in permit only states. The state government in OK negotiated and maintains reciprocity on your behalf.

I know, and you’re right but they don’t have to take that much advance of us though. Even just a little bit of toning the price down would suffice in my book. At least make it look like you care, and that you’re not taking us to the cleaners like they were before especially when so many new people are going to be carrying completely for free, and without taking that silly class and all the other crap that came along with it.

Ok, rant over. Lol.


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[Borderland]

There isn't going to be national reciprocity in my lifetime so everyone better just get used to maintaining a carry permit if you travel. Some states will never give up their right to require its citizens to get training and a license to carry. CA doesn't honor any out-of-state permits and probably never will. If you live in a state that has permitless concealed carry be thankful.

In this state a license costs $36 plus fingerprinting fees. Where I live the work is done by volunteers because the sheriff's department doesn't have the staff to process the applications and they only do it one day a month for about 4 hours. The state makes the laws but they don't provide the funding so sheriffs in rural counties can actually provide the service in a reasonable manner.

Basically what is happening is states don't want the financial burden, and it's a burden, to maintain the registry and licensing. When a cost/benefit analysis is made they realize they spend a lot of revenue for no good reason. Texas keeps stats on permit holders and they show beyond a shadow of doubt that permit holders commit very few assaults.

AGG ASSLT W/DEADLY WEAPON 2018
Total convictions 2,169
Convictions of CHL holders 6
Percentage of total convictions 0.2766%

https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2018.pdf

[corneileous]

There isn't going to be national reciprocity in my lifetime so everyone better just get used to maintaining a carry permit if you travel. Some states will never give up their right to require its citizens to get training and a license to carry. CA doesn't honor any out-of-state permits and probably never will. If you live in a state that has permitless concealed carry be thankful.

In this state a license costs $36 plus fingerprinting fees. Where I live the work is done by volunteers because the sheriff's department doesn't have the staff to process the applications and they only do it one day a month for about 4 hours. The state makes the laws but they don't provide the funding so sheriffs in rural counties can actually provide the service in a reasonable manner.

Basically what is happening is states don't want the financial burden, and it's a burden, to maintain the registry and licensing. When a cost/benefit analysis is made they realize they spend a lot of revenue for no good reason. Texas keeps stats on permit holders and they show beyond a shadow of doubt that permit holders commit very few assaults.

AGG ASSLT W/DEADLY WEAPON 2018
Total convictions 2,169
Convictions of CHL holders 6
Percentage of total convictions 0.2766%

https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2018.pdf

Although it would be nice, but I never expected that national reciprocity thing to go anywhere.

But I did at least find out the other day that so far one of the states who is constitutional carry like we’ll become- that is if these idiots that keep trying to repeal it don’t succeed, that Kansas will allow us our Oklahoma liberties in their state. Not sure about Arkansas and Missouri. Missouri kinda sounds like they may be dicks and require us to maintain a permit according to someone I spoke with over there over the phone last week. Arkansas, I’m awaiting an email. But it sounds like for the most part we’re gonna have to get closer to the first of November to see what’s really gonna change.

I just really hope Texas of all states doesn’t still require us to have a permit but hey, it’s no skin off Oklahoma’s ass if they do. That’s just more money on their part.


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