New Remington V3 Tactical

[Xrslug]

Curious to hear if anyone has feedback on this new model:
https://www.remington.com/shotguns/tactical/v3-tactical

Doesn’t seem to be much out there on it yet. Available with XS low-profile rifle sights or vent rib barrel. Oversized bolt release, charging handle, safety, and loading port. From what I’ve read the V3 is a solid performer in the field version of this shotgun.

[rob_s]

interesting. Ticks some boxes for me depending on how reliable they are.

I'd still love to have one shotgun I could leave setup for HD when in the safe, and swap out barrel/extension when I want to go shoot clays or (maybe, eventually, possibly) 3-gun. Seems like maybe with the existance of this gun, the V3 FIELD SPORT BLACK SYNTHETIC (https://www.remington.com/shotguns/autoloading/v3-field-sport/v3-field-sport-black-synthetic) and the V3 COMPETITION TACTICAL (https://www.remington.com/shotguns/tactical/v3-competition-tactical) that might be close to being a thing?



V3 Field Sport
https://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/galleryimages/V3_Black_Right.png?itok=VCpslhRe


V3 Tactical
https://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/galleryimages/83441_V3_Tac_18in_RS.jpg?itok=hbpeOZM8


V3 Competition Tactical
https://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/images/83440_V3_Tac_Competition_0.jpg?itok=bX9Csell

[Old Man Winter]

interesting. Ticks some boxes for me depending on how reliable they are.

I'd still love to have one shotgun I could leave setup for HD when in the safe, and swap out barrel/extension when I want to go shoot clays or (maybe, eventually, possibly) 3-gun. Seems like maybe with the existance of this gun, the V3 FIELD SPORT BLACK SYNTHETIC (https://www.remington.com/shotguns/autoloading/v3-field-sport/v3-field-sport-black-synthetic) and the V3 COMPETITION TACTICAL (https://www.remington.com/shotguns/tactical/v3-competition-tactical) that might be close to being a thing?

V3 Competition Tactical
https://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/images/83440_V3_Tac_Competition_0.jpg?itok=bX9Csell

That 22" model could be a decent all around option if your clay shooting is just for fun. I shot a 10-week sporting clays fun league with a 21" Benelli and scored the same as shooting my 32" o/u. In a tournament setting with more advanced target presentations a longer barrel has some advantages. To make the 22" barrel swing smoother you can add some weight either inside the mag extension or attached to the extension clamp. Spend some time on a pattern board to figure out your choke needs and go break some clays.

[Sevenpt62]

If this uses the same gas system as the versa max then it’s good to go. I have a versa max that I’ve been duck hunting and random clay shooting with for about 7-8 years now and it has been drop dead reliable and it’s been run hard in harsh conditions. Outperformed my friends super black eagle by a long shot. Cycles anything even the cheap bulk low brass loads.

[rob_s]

If this uses the same gas system as the versa max then it’s good to go. I have a versa max that I’ve been duck hunting and random clay shooting with for about 7-8 years now and it has been drop dead reliable and it’s been run hard in harsh conditions. Outperformed my friends super black eagle by a long shot. Cycles anything even the cheap bulk low brass loads.

I'm no expert, but I'm under the impression that the V3 is intended to be an improvement over the original Versamax design
https://www.shotgunlife.com/shotguns/guns/hits-and-misses-of-the-remington-v3-semi-auto.html

[TCinVA]

I don't think there is a good solution for shortening the LOP on the Remington semi-autos...which is of significant importance in a defensive shotgun unless you are over 6'2" tall.

[rob_s]

I don't think there is a good solution for shortening the LOP on the Remington semi-autos...which is of significant importance in a defensive shotgun unless you are over 6'2" tall.

outside of the enthusiast market, how much does that *really* matter do you think?

It looks like they made/make a V3 compact? 13" being the shortest LOP.
https://www.chuckhawks.com/rem_V3_compact.html

It's specs are buried here, showing 13" vs 14.25" for the standard guns.
https://www.remington.com/shotguns/autoloading/v3-field-sport/v3-field-sport-black-synthetic

[Sevenpt62]

If this uses the same gas system as the versa max then it’s good to go. I have a versa max that I’ve been duck hunting and random clay shooting with for about 7-8 years now and it has been drop dead reliable and it’s been run hard in harsh conditions. Outperformed my friends super black eagle by a long shot. Cycles anything even the cheap bulk low brass loads.

In that case it would probably be gtg

[Xrslug]

Further info on the stock front — Remington actually makes a V3 —> 870 adaptor for the Tac13 (the AOW version of the V3), so with one of those pieces, any 870 stock would bolt right up to a V3 with a longer bolt:

https://www.recoilweb.com/remington-v3-tac-13-short-barreled-shotgun-148079.html

[Lon]

An SBS version would be nice. Very tempting.

[TCinVA]

outside of the enthusiast market, how much does that *really* matter do you think?

Significantly.

I don't really get many enthusiasts in Home Defense Shotgun. It's primarily normal people who are looking for some information on home defense and some skill with a firearm that will allow them to capably defend themselves should the need arise. Those fractions of an inch make a significant impact on where, exactly, they can mount the gun. The more inboard they can get the gun the better they can manage recoil. Recoil management is the key to allowing someone to actually train with the weapon to the point of competence or proficiency.

The enthusiast who will work with the gun even if it is sub-optimal is going to find a way to cope. It's actually the non-enthusiast who needs a shorter stock the most.

[rob_s]

Significantly.

I don't really get many enthusiasts in Home Defense Shotgun. It's primarily normal people who are looking for some information on home defense and some skill with a firearm that will allow them to capably defend themselves should the need arise. Those fractions of an inch make a significant impact on where, exactly, they can mount the gun. The more inboard they can get the gun the better they can manage recoil. Recoil management is the key to allowing someone to actually train with the weapon to the point of competence or proficiency.

The enthusiast who will work with the gun even if it is sub-optimal is going to find a way to cope. It's actually the non-enthusiast who needs a shorter stock the most.

That seems to be kind of making my point, but that's probably because we're seeing "enthusiast" differently. In the greater wide world of firearms ownership I'm defining the "enthusiast" as anyone who would sign up for "Home Defense Shotgun" or will "actually train with the weapon to the point of competence or proficiency", which IME is extremely rare in the broader sample size of people buying/owning guns.

How short does it need to be able to go? It appears that the V3 can go down to 13" with OEM options.

Generally though I get your point, and to expand upon that point it seems that shotgun manufacturers have been out of touch relative to stock length on shotguns marketed for defense for a long time.

[Borderland]

That seems to be kind of making my point, but that's probably because we're seeing "enthusiast" differently. In the greater wide world of firearms ownership I'm defining the "enthusiast" as anyone who would sign up for "Home Defense Shotgun" or will "actually train with the weapon to the point of competence or proficiency", which IME is extremely rare in the broader sample size of people buying/owning guns.

How short does it need to be able to go? It appears that the V3 can go down to 13" with OEM options.

Generally though I get your point, and to expand upon that point it seems that shotgun manufacturers have been out of touch relative to stock length on shotguns marketed for defense for a long time.

Exactly. How or why would anyone become a "home defense shotgun" enthusiast? Home defense is secondary for me. I purchase based on target or concealed carry uses. I don't think I've ever purchased a gun strictly for home defense. It has to be able to do something else primarily.

Most people would buy a shotgun for either hunting or clays. I'm sure there is a small segment out there who do neither and get talked into a shotgun for HD. If they don't hunt or shoot clays they find out real fast that it isn't a pleasant endeavor to train for something that has a very low probability of actually happening. Probably end up in a closet or under a bed for the duration would be my guess.

The V3 looks modular to me. If you can change barrels and stocks it could be dual purpose. Field/HD or clays/HD. Remington did their homework here. Shotguns can be versatile if you don't start throwing a bunch of crap on them that isn't necessary and limits their versatility. I like the concept at least. Might want to add an 18" cyl barrel to the list of available parts.

[ragnar_d]

I don't think there is a good solution for shortening the LOP on the Remington semi-autos...which is of significant importance in a defensive shotgun unless you are over 6'2" tall.

The V3 doesn’t have the recoil spring/system going into the stock. If someone were so inclined, I imagine an 870 stock adapter could be made up to throw a Magpul SGA on it.

ETA, didn’t see that XRslug beat me to it. I wasn’t aware that the adapter already existed. Hopefully Remington will offer them for sale soon.




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[ASH556]

Can we forget about overall height and talk about arm length instead? For instance, I need a 36/37 sleeve in a dress shirt. Otherwise the cuff will end up 1/3 of the way up my forearm when I make my arms straight. For me a Benelli M2 stock then feels and mounts perfectly (though everyone talks about it being too long) and a 1301 feels too small when I pick it up.

I'm only 6'0" though.

[TCinVA]

Exactly. How or why would anyone become a "home defense shotgun" enthusiast? Home defense is secondary for me. I purchase based on target or concealed carry uses. I don't think I've ever purchased a gun strictly for home defense. It has to be able to do something else primarily.

Most people would buy a shotgun for either hunting or clays. I'm sure there is a small segment out there who do neither and get talked into a shotgun for HD. If they don't hunt or shoot clays they find out real fast that it isn't a pleasant endeavor to train for something that has a very low probability of actually happening. Probably end up in a closet or under a bed for the duration would be my guess.


Any shotgun can be pressed into service as a defensive weapon, but just like every other firearm a weapon dedicated to that purpose and set up properly for the task is vastly preferable should you actually need to use it for self defense.

Target guns exist for target shooting. Clays guns exist for clay shooting. Raceguns exist for the games they are good at. Specialized equipment exists across the spectrum in firearms.

There are between 1.5 million and 3 million defensive uses of a firearm in the United States every year. The vast majority of those incidents happen in and around the home simply because most people are not going out in public armed. Needing a gun to defend yourself is not, in fact, a "low probability" problem. It's a far higher probability problem than most people believe.

The possible defensive use of a firearm is the primary motivating factor in a purchase for an ever-growing percentage of the population. Once they are involved they may well find that they enjoy shooting, but the thing that gets them to buy a gun in the first place is the desire to protect themselves.

While you may not have any desire for a dedicated home defense gun, others do. It is, in fact, one of the primary reasons why people buy guns.

If we tally the number of seconds my carry gun has been in my holster versus the number of seconds it has been in my hands during a dangerous situation, the ratio would be absurd...but during the few seconds that I needed it, I really needed it.

The shotgun offers significant advantages as a defensive weapon in the situations a typical citizen is likely to face if they or their home is targeted by violent criminals. It is the most effective weapon available for immediately stopping a violent assault by a determined adversary. Facing a typical home invasion scenario with multiple armed attackers, the ability to neutralize an individual threat with a single press of the trigger is an excellent force multiplier.

The 870 I shoot birds with isn't set up properly for that task. So I have an 870 that is.

You can shoot clays or just about any sized game with a shotgun that's set up as a defensive gun. I've killed a number of critters with a rifle-sighted 870. It is not necessarily optimized for clays, but it's a hell of a lot easier to use a defensively configured gun to wing shoot than it is to press a gun set up for wing shooting into service as a defensive weapon.

As cheaply as police trade-in 870's can be had these days, it's not exactly going to bankrupt anyone to have a dedicated defensive shotgun.

My father has spent decades hunting with an 870, so getting him set up with an 870 configured for defensive use was an easy transition. If someone uses a shotgun for sporting use, having a dedicated defensive shotgun that shares the same manual of arms makes a lot of sense.

[TCinVA]

Can we forget about overall height and talk about arm length instead? For instance, I need a 36/37 sleeve in a dress shirt. Otherwise the cuff will end up 1/3 of the way up my forearm when I make my arms straight. For me a Benelli M2 stock then feels and mounts perfectly (though everyone talks about it being too long) and a 1301 feels too small when I pick it up.

I'm only 6'0" though.

Yes, if you fall outside the bell curve for arm length in relation to overall height then you can go with a longer length of pull. But as a general rule using one's height is one of the better ways of estimating what is likely to work for a perfect stranger on the internet. If you can break out the tape measures and get exact, by all means do so.

With that said, from a usability standpoint it is a lot easier for someone who is larger to use a stock that is "too small" than it is for someone who is smaller to use a stock that is too long. The stock 13" LOP on a 1301 worked just fine for me. I have found, however, that shortening it up further gives me a little more flexibility and makes the gun much easier to use for the large number of people it gets loaned out to.

I've put a Magpul SGA equipped 1301 in the hands of people ranging from large men to very small women and all of them seemed to be able to use the gun without issue.

[rob_s]

The possible defensive use of a firearm is the primary motivating factor in a purchase for an ever-growing percentage of the population. Once they are involved they may well find that they enjoy shooting, but the thing that gets them to buy a gun in the first place is the desire to protect themselves.

I've often wondered about this. I realize you're actually saying something that's probably hard to quantify since you're not saying it's the primary motivating factor for all gun buyers but that it's becoming a more common primary motivating factor.

Either way, I wonder if there are any sorts of trackable statistics or studies or surveys on this. "Our" segment of course sees itself as the primary segment, while farmers and rednecks all over the country are still just out there buying guns to shoot animals (fake and real) with.

Thinking back to the first time I went to SHOT when the ninja section was pushed off into a separate room hidden away and the last time I went where it seemed 1/3 of the floor was black or multi-cam, and it would certainly seem to validate the idea that more people than ever concern themselves with "defense" (whatever their definition of that may be).

Personally, going back to the gun at hand, I'm less and less willing to sign over significant parts of my life or real-estate for gun stuff. So having been down the tac-tard road ("almost as far as hell" to quote a famous singer) I'm far more interested now than ever with having "one gun", particularly if it means one "manual of arms" for the wife (and eventually, god willing, the kids). Once upon a time I'd have sacrificed game/sport performance in favor of ninja needs, but today I'm pretty much totally the opposite. I'll take what's perhaps a sub-standard ergonomics by defense-enthusiast standards in favor of better performance on the clays course and perfectly acceptable potential performance for defense. I suppose there's even an argument to be made that if the shooter isn't going to seek training or practice in defense mode then having the gun pretty much exactly like they're used to just perhaps slightly shorter at the barrel and and holding more of a different type of shell would actually be preferential.

In other words, I'd rather my wife be defending the family with a gun she's familiar with from the clays course than one she's not enthused enough about to ever shoot.

[JHC]

Yes, if you fall outside the bell curve for arm length in relation to overall height then you can go with a longer length of pull. But as a general rule using one's height is one of the better ways of estimating what is likely to work for a perfect stranger on the internet. If you can break out the tape measures and get exact, by all means do so.

With that said, from a usability standpoint it is a lot easier for someone who is larger to use a stock that is "too small" than it is for someone who is smaller to use a stock that is too long. The stock 13" LOP on a 1301 worked just fine for me. I have found, however, that shortening it up further gives me a little more flexibility and makes the gun much easier to use for the large number of people it gets loaned out to.

I've put a Magpul SGA equipped 1301 in the hands of people ranging from large men to very small women and all of them seemed to be able to use the gun without issue.

Any thoughts on the "average" LOP for "average" folk to look to? I've been meaning to trim some length off the long OEM stock on my late '50s vintage 870. I went a little too short on a Mossie years ago and had a time keeping lips and nose out of recoil's way, albeit "push pull" was unknown to me at the time.

[Borderland]

While you may not have any desire for a dedicated home defense gun, others do. It is, in fact, one of the primary reasons why people buy guns.

Roger that.

I look at self defense a bit differently. 1) I don't live in a densely populated area. 2) Home invasions don't happen very often where I live. 3) I'm much more likely to need a firearm in my travels away from home. 4) I keep my firearms in a safe when I'm not at home. That would require me storing and retrieving a shotgun from my safe every day.

Lots of states are passing laws to keep firearms secure when they're not in use. We have a law like that in this state. If the firearm isn't on your person it has to be secure from theft. Somebody steals your unsecured weapon, use it in a crime and you get prosecuted. Sounds like fun to me.:(

I would just as soon not deal with that crap. I realize that not everyone can get a carry permit so a shotgun might be the best option there. Probably would be but I'm fine with my P-239 carry. It's my dedicated defense gun..... period. YMMV.

[TCinVA]

I've often wondered about this. I realize you're actually saying something that's probably hard to quantify since you're not saying it's the primary motivating factor for all gun buyers but that it's becoming a more common primary motivating factor.

Either way, I wonder if there are any sorts of trackable statistics or studies or surveys on this. "Our" segment of course sees itself as the primary segment, while farmers and rednecks all over the country are still just out there buying guns to shoot animals (fake and real) with.


Pew research has done a few surveys:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PSDT_2017.06.22.guns-00-06.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/22/key-takeaways-on-americans-views-of-guns-and-gun-ownership/



In other words, I'd rather my wife be defending the family with a gun she's familiar with from the clays course than one she's not enthused enough about to ever shoot.


The gun someone knows how to use will always be superior to the one they don't know how to use regardless of the unknown weapon's benefits. If shotgunning for sport is a thing, though, it's really easy to have a defensive shotgun that works the same as the sporting gun. If they shoot clays or birds with a Benelli, the "tactical" versions of those guns have the same control layout. Same with Beretta. Or the Reminton 870/1100/1187/etc.

[Borderland]

Pew research has done a few surveys:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PSDT_2017.06.22.guns-00-06.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/22/key-takeaways-on-americans-views-of-guns-and-gun-ownership/



The gun someone knows how to use will always be superior to the one they don't know how to use regardless of the unknown weapon's benefits. If shotgunning for sport is a thing, though, it's really easy to have a defensive shotgun that works the same as the sporting gun. If they shoot clays or birds with a Benelli, the "tactical" versions of those guns have the same control layout. Same with Beretta. Or the Reminton 870/1100/1187/etc.

I would be willing to bet that when a woman buys a firearm for SD more than likely it's going to be a compact SA pistol. I've seen a lot of women at my range with SA pistols, never seen one shooting trap or SC. Maybe I'm there at the wrong time, don't know.

[orionz06]

Even the dumbass fudds recognize that most shotguns are too damned long.

[RevolverRob]

The first thing any semi-serious shotgun shooter does is get their gun fitted. Cast, drop, and length of pull should all be fitted to an individual shooter if the goal is to be an exceptional shooter with the gun, playing gun games. Not unlike pistol grips to fit your hand, (re)stocking a long gun is important.

Most folks can get by, by just getting a length of pull that works for them. The old "trick" is sticking the the butt into the pocket of your arm elbow and laying it along the forearm, if you can reach and press the trigger cleanly, it will work. But for most folks stocks are about 1-1.5" too long.

[Nephrology]

I wish I even remotely trusted modern Remington QC.

[matto]

Anyone have one if these yet?

There are almost no reviews, owner reports, or discussion on these.

[Old Man Winter]

Anyone have one if these yet?

There are almost no reviews, owner reports, or discussion on these.

There has been some recent discussion about the V3 on another forum by guys that have been there done that with 3-gun setups. They seem to think big green finally got it right with the V3.

[steve]

Anyone have one if these yet?

There are almost no reviews, owner reports, or discussion on these.

I picked one up last week. I got it from Grab a Gun for $823 out the door (772, shipping and tax) plus my dealer $27 fee. I bought the 6 round capacity, rifle sight model, 83441, due to pending legislation here in the soon to be shit hole Virginia.

I took it to the range with my 30 year old 870 to see how it functioned. I only ran buckshot through each of them. A mix of Federal Black Box 00 buck, Winchester 00 and #4 buckshot and some slugs. 60 rounds total with about 35 through the V3 and the rest through the 870.

The V3 ran fine through the 35 rounds, no jams, stoppages and ejection was consistent about 5 feet out at about 2 or 3 o'clock. The V3 is light, felt good in my hands and I liked the sights. In the past I have owned a couple of 1187P's and the V3 felt lighter and easier to shoot.

I plan to run quite a few more rounds in it to see how it runs and to get comfortable with the gun. This was only a quick test and as much as I liked it, it felt foreign in my hands and not natural like my 870. So far so good, but it needs way more rounds through it to see how it holds up.

[Tensaw]

steve - please keep us posted as you get more rounds through it.

[matto]

Thanks for the update! Was the width of the hand guard what makes it feel foreign? I held one in the store (28"er) and was not a fan of how the forend felt in my hand. I assume I'd get used to it.. Maybe? But my 870, and 1100's I've held fit so much more naturally.

I'm also sticking with the 6+1 because NY law is a complete mess regarding shotgun magazine capacity. 10 round magazines are technically legal after some court victories declared the law unconstitutional, but it's not written down anywhere and most people think they're still illegal, including many gun shops. It's a mess.

Anyway, one thing I'm curious about - does it really hold only 6 shells? Other guns that have the magazine tube flush with an 18.5" barrel can hold 7 (Beretta 1301 for example) so I'm confused what would cause the v3 to have less room in there.

[steve]

Thanks for the update! Was the width of the hand guard what makes it feel foreign? I held one in the store (28"er) and was not a fan of how the forend felt in my hand. I assume I'd get used to it.. Maybe? But my 870, and 1100's I've held fit so much more naturally.

I'm also sticking with the 6+1 because NY law is a complete mess regarding shotgun magazine capacity. It's technically legal after some court victories declared the law unconstitutional, but it's not written down anywhere and most people think they're still illegal. It's a mess.

One thing I'm curious about - does it really hold only 6 shells? Other guns that have the magazine tube flush with an 18.5" barrel can hold 7 (Beretta 1301 for example) so I'm confused what would cause the v3 to have less room in there.

The hand guard felt fine and the width was not bad at all. For me it was the controls. I am used to to the 870 and running something new was like driving a rental car. I had to second guess what I was doing, it didn't feel natural.

I just went and tried to stick 7 (2-3/4") shells in it, 6 in fully, #7 half way and that's it. So, yes it truly is 6 rounds in the mag only. My 870 has a mag extension and is the same barrel length and that is also 6 only. (Maybe a Remington thing)

[GJM]

Anyone have a V3 with a folding brace yet?

[Tensaw]

I am veering out of my lane here, but I *think* ATF pretty much put the kiabash on folding braces with the last “ruling” that the OAL of a braced firearm will be determined when folded. This, contrary to a prior directive that they be measured open/extended. Needs on OAL of 26”? This most recent ruling caused at least one purveyor of SG braces to discontinue offering folding brace set-up for shotguns. I could be wrong about all this. ATF rules screw with my head.

[Doug]

Withdrawn

[GJM]

I am veering out of my lane here, but I *think* ATF pretty much put the kiabash on folding braces with the last “ruling” that the OAL of a braced firearm will be determined when folded. This, contrary to a prior directive that they be measured open/extended. Needs on OAL of 26”? This most recent ruling caused at least one purveyor of SG braces to discontinue offering folding brace set-up for shotguns. I could be wrong about all this. ATF rules screw with my head.

Is this ruling specific to shotguns?

[WobblyPossum]

Is this ruling specific to shotguns?
No it applies to all the “pistol” firearms based on all the popular long guns. Since the brace isn’t necessary to the function of the firearm it’s considered an accessory and not used in the OAL calculation. The OAL of a standard AR pistol, for example, would start at the muzzle and end at the rear of the receiver extension. The same concept applies for a folding brace. If you have an AR pistol with a Law Folder, for example, the OAL is now measure with the Law in its folded position (tip of the muzzle to rear of the folded Law).

ETA: Since we’re on the topic, I wonder how this rule change works with the length of pull measurement. Several prior ATF letters have mentioned that a length of pull longer than 13.5” was one of the factors that would make your pistol an SBR. Since the brace is no longer part of the OAL measurement, does it also no longer count for measuring length of pull?

[GJM]

No it applies to all the “pistol” firearms based on all the popular long guns. Since the brace isn’t necessary to the function of the firearm it’s considered an accessory and not used in the OAL calculation. The OAL of a standard AR pistol, for example, would start at the muzzle and end at the rear of the receiver extension. The same concept applies for a folding brace. If you have an AR pistol with a Law Folder, for example, the OAL is now measure with the Law in its folded position (tip of the muzzle to rear of the folded Law).

ETA: Since we’re on the topic, I wonder how this rule change works with the length of pull measurement. Several prior ATF letters have mentioned that a length of pull longer than 13.5” was one of the factors that would make your pistol an SBR. Since the brace is no longer part of the OAL measurement, does it also no longer count for measuring length of pull?

Are you sure on “pistol” firearms, I understood this was just for “other” firearms? Have a link to a thread?

[WobblyPossum]

Are you sure on “pistol” firearms, I understood this was just for “other” firearms? Have a link to a thread?

Here’s one: thread from 2019 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37390-ATF-position-change-on-measuring-AR-pistols-and-braces&highlight=Letter+brace)

[GJM]

Here’s one: thread from 2019 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37390-ATF-position-change-on-measuring-AR-pistols-and-braces&highlight=Letter+brace)

I read this to say it is a problem if you want a vertical fore grip, but not an issue to, for example, put a SB brace on an HK SP5 or AR pistol?

[WobblyPossum]

I read this to say it is a problem if you want a vertical fore grip, but not an issue to, for example, put a SB brace on an HK SP5 or AR pistol?

Right. The measurement rule only matters when there is the potential to turn a “pistol” or “other firearm” into an NFA item. The recent interpretation of how pistols are measured doesn’t prohibit adding a brace at all. I’ll stick to your examples of the HK SP5 and AR pistol. For the HK SP5, since the brace isn’t counted when you measure the overall length of the gun anymore, if you add a vertical foregrip you’ve likely made an SP5 into an AOW because I believe the gun measures less than 26” from the muzzle to the back of the receiver. A Law Folder on an AR pistol means the receiver extension isn’t counted when you measure overall length so you should probably grab a tape measure before you add a vertical foregrip. With a non folding brace, an AR pistol is likely over 26” from muzzle to end of receiver extension unless you’re running a very short barrel so a vertical foregrip should keep the gun as an “other firearm” instead of an AOW.

With the Remington V3, the rule change means that the gun ends up being under 26” when you add a folding brace to it because the shape of the factory grip is what gets the gun, in its factory configuration, past the 26” mark. I’m not sure how a non folding brace would affect the V3 because I’m not familiar enough with it’s measurements or the types of available braces for it.

[matto]

The hand guard felt fine and the width was not bad at all. For me it was the controls. I am used to to the 870 and running something new was like driving a rental car. I had to second guess what I was doing, it didn't feel natural.

Have you shot it any more since? Have you grown to like it more, or less?

Also curious how you like the XS sights. I was originally sold on a vent rib but I'm starting to see the appeal of the XS.

[steve]

Have you shot it any more since? Have you grown to like it more, or less?

Also curious how you like the XS sights. I was originally sold on a vent rib but I'm starting to see the appeal of the XS.


I have not, I had some handgun matches I was practicing for and that took up my range sessions. Since all of that is now kaput I will take it out and run some more rounds through it. The sights were fine for me but I am used to rifles and I have trouble with a bead sight. I put rifle sights on my 870 so I didn't have to have a bead sight. I am the guy who went 0-25 duck hunting, one complete box and zero ducks. I think I would have done better with a Glock 17.

[steve]

Took it out today, I ran Federal White Box 00 Buckshot (Blackpack), Federal 00 Buckshot, blue box, Winchester Heavy Game loads, 1255 FPS 7 1/2 shot and Fiocchi #4 and 00 Buckshot. In total about 75 rounds. Everything was flawless and the sights worked well, they were easy to pickup, the white dot front sight stands out. I was shooting plates also and the transition from plate to plate was good.

The forend is a little slippery but not much I can do about that. It hasn't replaced my 870 yet but a little more range time and we will see. Also, the Fiocchi 00 buck seemed to have a little more kick than the Federal stuff. Ejection on all the hulls was consistent even with the game loads. The gun ran without any issues.

[Rex G]

I figured that I would be able to afford one of these in April. Maybe even buy a Remington V3 Tac-13, plus one of its Black Aces counterparts, and give them a head-to-head trial by fire. A “whippet” gun has been on my to-eventually-do list for a very long time. Well, the pandemic intervened, and there are none of these to be had, unless one is willing to pay a substantial premium. Sigh.

Even if the weapons were available, there would be little anti-personnel ammo for testing.

Well, I did order the metal lockbox, to mount in my truck, that is of the just-right length to accommodate “other” firearms.

I know; I know; First-World problems.

[Old Man Winter]

Anyone know where to buy a V3 tactical or V3 competition tactical? They seem to be unobtanium above and beyond the current supply and demand issues.

[CanineCombatives]

Well nothing has changed, distributors dont have them and cant provide a restock date.

[Old Man Winter]

Well nothing has changed, distributors dont have them and cant provide a restock date.

If the rumors are true and Remington is on the verge of bankruptcy again, we may not see V3 tactical models anytime soon. It appears the various happenings of 2020 have wiped out all available inventory across the country. Additionally, I've noticed barrels for the 18.5" and 22" tactical models are out of stock at the various part peddlers.