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BillSWPA
08-07-2019, 02:32 PM
While the lamestream media in the US focuses on the mass shootings in Texas and Ohio, an arsonist in Japan managed to kill more people than either shooter without using a gun. He did it by spraying gasoline and lighting it on fire. Details from the BBC are linked below:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49027178

When we hear the continual stream of fake news that mass shootings are a uniquely US problem, we need to be prepared to demonstrate that this is simply not the case. Japan not only has extremely tight gun laws, but is also a virtual police state. Weapons among the common population have been banned since the 900 AD ban on possession of swords.

blues
08-07-2019, 02:47 PM
I cannot vouch for accuracy but this is an interesting read (http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/) in connection with the OP.

The portion below is just one excerpt. There is more info broken down on the site:


What is a mass shooting? Or perhaps a better question, what defines a mass shooting? The United States Congress defines mass shootings as incidents where there are at least three people, or more, who are shot and killed by an attacker. Mass shootings do not always happen at random, for sometimes, the perpetrators of the mass shooting is a family member, a friend, or a peer of those who are murdered as a result of the act. Other countries have different definitions of a mass shooting.

School shootings are a common type of mass shootings, as saddening as it is, especially in the United States. Though there is not actual global definition of a mass shooting, the general consensus is that a mass shooting results from armed weapons taking the lives of many people at one time.

What are the countries with the most mass shootings? While this data is difficult to research, here is a list of the top 20 countries with the highest estimated firearm-related death rate. This does not accurately portray the countries with the most mass shootings, but it does give a better idea of gun violence in the world.

Honduras (60.00 deaths per 100,000 people)
Venezuela (49.22 deaths per 100,000 people)
El Salvador (45.6 deaths per 100,000 people)
Swaziland (37.16 deaths per 100,000 people)
Guatemala (34.10 deaths per 100,000 people)
Jamaica (30.72 deaths per 100,000 people)
Brazil (21.9 deaths per 100,000 people)
Colombia (18.65 deaths per 100,000 people)
Panama (15.11 deaths per 100,000 people)
United States (12.21 deaths per 100,000 people)
Uruguay (11.52 deaths per 100,000 people)
Montenegro (8.91 deaths per 100,000 people)
Philippines (8.90 deaths per 100,000 people)
South Africa (8.3 deaths per 100,000 people)
Paraguay (7.76 deaths per 100,000 people)
Mexico (7.64 deaths per 100,000 people)
Argentina (6.93 deaths per 100,000 people)
Barbados (6.6 deaths per 100,000 people)
Costa Rica (6.3 deaths per 100,000 people)
Peru (5.53 deaths per 100,000 people)

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/

the Schwartz
08-07-2019, 02:47 PM
Such is the nature of the human species; we can always "ban" specific instruments, but never the motivation nor the inate human ability to adapt and find alternative instruments to assist in the act. The typical liberal mindset will never see the truth though and continue to chase the "shiny objects" instead of addressing the underlying societal/psychological causes that drive these horrific events.

Trukinjp13
08-07-2019, 03:05 PM
Sad but true.

We can not stop EVIL. It will prevail one way or another if it gets ahold of someone


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ralph
08-07-2019, 03:10 PM
While the lamestream media in the US focuses on the mass shootings in Texas and Ohio, an arsonist in Japan managed to kill more people than either shooter without using a gun. He did it by spraying gasoline and lighting it on fire. Details from the BBC are linked below:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49027178

When we hear the continual stream of fake news that mass shootings are a uniquely US problem, we need to be prepared to demonstrate that this is simply not the case. Japan not only has extremely tight gun laws, but is also a virtual police state. Weapons among the common population have been banned since the 900 AD ban on possession of swords.

Somehow, Trump will be blamed for this, too.

BillSWPA
08-07-2019, 03:20 PM
I cannot vouch for accuracy but this is an interesting read (http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/) in connection with the OP.

The portion below is just one excerpt. There is more info broken down on the site:



http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/

Excellent post! That is the kind of information we need to disseminate.

Gearqueer
08-07-2019, 03:31 PM
I cannot vouch for accuracy but this is an interesting read (http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/) in connection with the OP.

The portion below is just one excerpt. There is more info broken down on the site:



http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/

Thanks for posting Blues, I’d be interested to see the other sides’ statistics to counter this. Two nights ago I had dinner with some foreign business associates who were terrified to dine at a restaurant in an upscale area. They wanted armed security around every restaurant. All they have seen on the news since their U.S. arrival was back2back mass shootings.

Today I listened to the JRE podcast with Bernie Sanders. Always good to check in on the socialist perspective of 2019. Mass shootings were discussed. Bernie doesn’t seem as extreme on guns as he is on economic equality, but his views are still dangerous. With the left’s rationale on infringement of the 2A it stands to reason that the 4A and 5A will be at risk when tomorrow’s AWB’s don’t make the masses safer. Stats like the one Blues posted related to the OP story in Japan need to be mainstream.


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whomever
08-07-2019, 05:07 PM
I’d be interested to see the other sides’ statistics to counter this.

I'm not the other side, but one thing to keep in mind is country size and the sampling interval. For example, Norway has a population a little smaller than Washington state. And one really, really horrific mass shooting. So it's going to be on the top of the list for any time interval that covers that incident. With only the one incident, we can't say how often Norway will experience similar events. If it has one a decade, it's going to be on the top of the charts forever. If it has one per millennium, it will eventually drop off the charts.

For another example, Chicago and Baltimore both have a lot of murders, and comparing their rates is valid. But if Mayberry has a population of 10 people, and one year there is a murder, it's not really valid to say it has a murder rate of 10k per 100k and say it is (a lot!) more dangerous than Chicago.

Hambo
08-08-2019, 07:32 AM
While the lamestream media in the US focuses on the mass shootings in Texas and Ohio, an arsonist in Japan managed to kill more people than either shooter without using a gun. He did it by spraying gasoline and lighting it on fire. Details from the BBC are linked below:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49027178

When we hear the continual stream of fake news that mass shootings are a uniquely US problem, we need to be prepared to demonstrate that this is simply not the case. Japan not only has extremely tight gun laws, but is also a virtual police state. Weapons among the common population have been banned since the 900 AD ban on possession of swords.

I don't know how pointing out arson in another country helps us. In case you don't remember, arson mass murder has happened here, too.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/26/nyregion/fire-bronx-87-die-blaze-illegal-club-police-arrest-ejected-patron-worst-new-york.html

BillSWPA
08-08-2019, 07:49 AM
I don't know how pointing out arson in another country helps us. In case you don't remember, arson mass murder has happened here, too.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/26/nyregion/fire-bronx-87-die-blaze-illegal-club-police-arrest-ejected-patron-worst-new-york.html

Almost 170 people were killed in Oklahoma City not long after the 1994 assault weapon ban, using a truck loaded with fertilizer.

Trucks have been driven into crowds in various places.

The point is that banning guns does not stop evil people from killing people.

Strict gun control also failed to stop a mass shooting in Norway.

We are going to hear continually about how this is a uniquely American problem, and if we simply banned guns like so many other countries, the problem would disappear. We need to be able to explain to persuadable people why that is incorrect.



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Yung
08-08-2019, 08:27 AM
Two previous threads on the KyoAni studio fire.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37814-Kyoto-Animation-arson-killings-didn-t-get-much-attention-because-we-couldn-t-demonize

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37600-Arson-Attack-Kills-33-in-Japan

Hambo
08-08-2019, 09:46 AM
We are going to hear continually about how this is a uniquely American problem, and if we simply banned guns like so many other countries, the problem would disappear. We need to be able to explain to persuadable people why that is incorrect.

The use this https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/mass_shootings_the_elephant_in_the_room.html. It's the most rational look at the problem that I've seen to date.