I'm trying to make it through the Joe Rogan podcast with Crazy Bernie

[LittleLebowski]

Oy vey... Just heard Bernie say that companies just want the law removed so that they can pollute the environment. He's currently bitching about American companies avoiding American taxes and claiming that he will "fix" that.

#CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)


https://youtu.be/2O-iLk1G_ng

[breakingtime91]

Oy vey... Just heard Bernie say that companies just want the law removed so that they can pollute the environment. He's currently bitching about American companies avoiding American taxes and claiming that he will "fix" that.

#CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)


https://youtu.be/2O-iLk1G_ng

havent been able to bring myself to listen yet.

[MGW]

I’m not much of a Joe Rogan fan anyway. I think I’ll skip this one.


Here’s another Bernie clip if you don’t want to watch the entire episode either.


https://youtu.be/WOh-RU4E5aE

[blues]

I haven't listened and don't intend to...but...I don't doubt for a nanosecond that there are U.S. companies that would both circumvent existing law, and / or pollute the environment if they could get away with it legally or otherwise.

And avoid paying their fair share of U.S taxes? This should come as no surprise to anyone.

The courts and numerous investigative and L.E. agencies are up to their armpits in such matters.

Since when did corporate America become a shining example of doing the right thing? Would that it were.



ETA: The above does not imply that this is the norm for all corporations. But it is not uncommon, to say the least.

[mmc45414]

And avoid paying their fair share of U.S taxes?
I have always kinda wondered why corporate entities are expected to pay taxes, rather than the shareholder owners. If a corporation makes a profit, the tax obligation could (should?) be shared by the shareholders (like my wife's S corp). I think part of the current problem is many of the people that indirectly own these large companies, typically through mutual funds and pension funds, do not think the companies that they own pay their "fair" share. Pass it down to the owners and they can pay at their marginal rate.

But all that is probably thread drift, I just think Bernie is going to create a lotta sound bites for his opposition :D

[ralph]

That corrupt old commie is'nt going to fix shit..

[blues]

I have always kinda wondered why corporate entities are expected to pay taxes, rather than the shareholder owners. If a corporation makes a profit, the tax obligation could (should?) be shared by the shareholders (like my wife's S corp). I think part of the current problem is many of the people that indirectly own these large companies, typically through mutual funds and pension funds, do not think the companies that they own pay their "fair" share. Pass it down to the owners and they can pay at their marginal rate.

But all that is probably thread drift, I just think Bernie is going to create a lotta sound bites for his opposition :D

If you can get congress to change the laws, (good luck with that), then that would be the law of the land. I was simply referring to enforcing the laws already on the books.

Beyond that, not everybody does the right thing when nobody is looking. That goes for individuals as well as companies. This should come as no surprise to anyone. (And I'm not implying that it is to you, my friend.)

As for me and mine...the Dem agenda holds very little appeal, and the dogma, rhetoric and b.s. is both worn and tired.

[donlapalma]

Hard pass on that episode. I know all I need to know about Bernie.

[Trukinjp13]

More Bernie to be spread to the masses of morons though. You know how many more are going to eat this shit up. Fml


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[Darth_Uno]

I tried to watch and made it almost 10 minutes.

He's addressing topics that are legitimate. Mostly the cost of health care so far in the first ten minutes. The problem is he's making good sound bites, but not providing a solution. "Insulin in Canada costs 10% of what it does in the States, and it's all the greedy corporations' fault!" (I paraphrased that.) Yeah, if you take that at face value it's easy to get fired up about. And his plan is too pee-pee smack those companies into submission. Well, both the issues and solutions are muh more complex than that, but "let's get them greedy sumbitches" sells.

[LittleLebowski]

American gun owners have more "assault weapons" than the US military according to #CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)

[blues]

American gun owners have more "assault weapons" than the US military according to #CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)


And may need them if he's elected.


(I kid, I kid. Seriously...I kid.)

[beenalongtime]

I think I would hear the same thing Hillary said to Bill after his cheating scandal. You keep everything else, I just want the house.

[BillSWPA]

What he fails to mention is that, according to one of my Canadian friends, everyone likes the Canadian health care system except the Canadians. Try getting a doctor appointment in a timely manner.

Every election, that party manages to get farther left than previously, and every single one of these candidates has now crossed the line into certifiably crazy. When I see the disconnect from reality of these candidates, I am less concerned about their tax returns and more concerned about their mental functioning.

The fact that these people have any meaningful support frightens me for the future of our country.




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[LittleLebowski]

Wow. He just strongly implied that Putin and China's leader care more about their people than Trump because climate change. You cannot make this shit up.

[mmc45414]

(And I'm not implying that it is to you, my friend.)
I probably sounded more snippy than I meant, I think Fair Share might be one of my trigger words. It just seems like human nature is to expect others to pay a lot while you try to pay a little :cool:

[blues]

I probably sounded more snippy than I meant, I think Fair Share might be one of my trigger words. It just seems like human nature is to expect others to pay a lot while you try to pay a little :cool:

Nah, I didn't take it that way. We're good as gold. Self-interest drives capitalism and the markets. (I guess it also drives those with a socialist bent, but clearly after a different fashion.)

I suppose there's self-interest that takes fair play and the interest of others into account as well. In fact I'm sure of it. But what percentage of the population it resides within is beyond my measly powers to determine.

[Poconnor]

Bernie is a whackadoodle; ie beyond crazy. My personal definition of crazy was a mentally ill person that does not know they are crazy. Lots of his statements sound good to the young and or ignorant. All you have to do is ask them questions or ask them to explain how that would work and they see through the bullshit. I always thought corporate taxes were bullshit. Companies don’t really pay them. Consumers pay them. Consumers pay that tax every step of the production and distribution chain. How much would a brand new vehicle cost without corporate taxes?

[Trukinjp13]

He is a career politician. He knows he just has to say the right things and the sheep will follow him. He never has any actual constructive plans or thoughts. Just talk about shiny and pretty things.

Not trying to be dramatic, but this country is going to shit. Good thing is the generation of babies produced by the millennials are being raised by their grandparents since the majority of their parents are useless. So they are growing up seeing what these ideas get you. Where you end up by just talking and pissing away so much money on useless degrees.

I am sadly at the elder age of Millennials so don’t come on here and give me some shit about this. I grew up with this generation and watched what it has done. Where we have ended up. Yes most of the politicians are boomers. But looks at most of these younger ones now a days completely out of their minds. The boomer politicians do not give a shit about us. They just know they need to say the right thing and they will get votes.


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[Glenn E. Meyer]

Didn't listen but Hillary said Bernie was a gun nut and De Blasio just said that he supported Hillary but Bernie would have beaten Trump. Just FYI.


masses of morons - that most of the electorate of both parties, I'm afraid.

[Bergeron]

Bernie might make for a interesting college prof, but presidential?! Lolololol

I want to raise awareness of a couple of issues related to pollution and industrial manufacturing, particularly as it relates to oil & gas (upstream, midstream, and downstream) and chemical manufacturing.

I've participated in that industry, working in different areas. I've been offshore, and I've been in every possible chemical and power plant that I could in Louisiana. First off, climate change associated with carbon emissions is recognized as something that exists by the industry, particularly by the Shell Group Chief Scientist. The best ways to mitigate climate change and reduce carbon emissions, as I was taught by that industry, would be to put a price on carbon emissions and to minimize coal consumption while maximizing natural gas consumption. I'm not even trying to interpret or judge any of that, just reporting on exactly what I was instructed in as a member of that industry.

The most important thing to Oil & Gas (O&G) and to chemical manufacturing is License To Operate (LTO), and LTO is a function of reputation. Every one of the big players has a super-robust Health, Safety, Security, and Environment (HSSE) organization and goals, as well as Social Performance (SP) organization and goals. Shell for example, had (still has) "Goal Zero" of no harm to people or environment. It's not perfect, and no organization will be, tbut he effort and interest in minimizing emissions and pollution is present and genuine. Your Super-Majors and other big players have a general standard of having stricter policies and procedures than those implemented by the governments where they operate. That's not always been the case, at all, but I think it's important to have generally accurate idea of what modern industry is really like.

I take exeception to the idea that it's profitable to pollute (it's not) and that O&G and chemical manufacturers, are waiting for or eager for a relaxation in governmental regulation so that they can pollute.

As a random type of example, there was an oil field in Africa in the middle of a national forest. The wildlife inside the oil field area was more populous, healthy, and diverse than inside the national forest.

[baddean]

And may need them if he's elected.


(I kid, I kid. Seriously...I kid.)

Umm.... all kidding aside, the assault flint lock has been used before for similar reasons.

[ubervic]

What? A political candidate espouses grandiose ideas and/or outright falsehoods via hyperbole in order to gain media attention and rally those who actually buy it?
I can't believe this is happening. No one's ever done that before!
:)

[ralph]

I tried to watch and made it almost 10 minutes.

He's addressing topics that are legitimate. Mostly the cost of health care so far in the first ten minutes. The problem is he's making good sound bites, but not providing a solution. "Insulin in Canada costs 10% of what it does in the States, and it's all the greedy corporations' fault!" (I paraphrased that.) Yeah, if you take that at face value it's easy to get fired up about. And his plan is too pee-pee smack those companies into submission. Well, both the issues and solutions are muh more complex than that, but "let's get them greedy sumbitches" sells.

Class warfare, probably the oldest tactic in the commie playbook.

[blues]

Umm.... all kidding aside, the assault flint lock has been used before for similar reasons.

I don't need any more trouble with the NSA than what I had when I was still working...;)

[Rex G]

What he fails to mention is that, according to one of my Canadian friends, everyone likes the Canadian health care system except the Canadians. Try getting a doctor appointment in a timely manner.




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That sounds like my health care plan, except I am in Texas. I just gave up going to doctors, a number of years ago, when, after waiting months, and then eating chicken breast and white rice, for a week, I learned the day before the appointment, that my appointment had been canceled. Unless I need stitches, or something to be x-rayed, why bother? (That was not the only reason, but it was the straw that broke this camel’s back.)

I am no socialist, but socialized medicine cannot be worse than what I have endured for a couple of decades.

[blues]

That sounds like my health care plan, except I am in Texas. I just gave up going to doctors, a number of years ago, when, after waiting months, and then eating chicken breast and white rice, for a week, I learned the day before the appointment, that my appointment had been canceled. Unless I need stitches, or something to be x-rayed, why bother? (That was not the only reason, but it was the straw that broke this camel’s back.)


My brother from another mother. Other than stitches I haven't seen a doctor since you know who was a corporal.

[Rex G]

My brother from another mother. Other than stitches I haven't seen a doctor since you know who was a corporal.

The sad thing is that the appointment was with Kelsey-Seybold, with numerous campuses, and other doctors with the same specialty, so, it should have been possible to work me in, somewhere, quickly, one would think. I then learned that my sergeant’s husband had endured a similar runaround, multiple times, for the same procedure. My first step was to drop Kelsey-Seybold, at the next open enrollment, and switch to what should have been a better network, as it is associated with a prestigious hospital, Memorial Hermann, but our PCPs keep getting changed, with no input from us, which is one of the disappointments we had with Kelsey Seybold.

[blues]

The sad thing is that the appointment was with Kelsey-Seybold, with numerous campuses, and other doctors with the same specialty, so, it should have been possible to work me in, somewhere, quickly, one would think. I then learned that my sergeant’s husband had endured a similar runaround, multiple times, for the same procedure. My first step was to drop Kelsey-Seybold, at the next open enrollment, and switch to what should have been a better network, as it is associated with a prestigious hospital, Memorial Hermann, but my PCP keeps getting changed, with no input from me.

I've no excuses. I just don't go. I let the old bod take care of itself. (Or not.) I don't feel like taking drugs to compensate for other drugs to compensate for other drugs. So I just don't take any (and haven't needed to...I think).

Stitches and dental cleanings are pretty much what I do anymore.

[Casual Friday]

I've only been able to catch the first few minutes, but I had to laugh at his praise of the Canadian healthcare system. I can't say I'm surprised that his answer to everything is more legislation and bigger government involvement in our daily lives.

Bellingham WA is 20 something miles from the border. If you go to a doctor or hospital any day of the week, the parking lot is packed with Canadian license plates. My wife's boss and his family are from Canada. His parents still live up there and they come to the US for everything medical related because you can't get an appointment in a timely fashion unless you're literally on your death bed.

[45dotACP]

Looking like a Sanders presidency will be a Remington 870 and Model 10 kinda presidency.

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[Kyle Reese]

Looking like a Sanders presidency will be a Remington 870 and Model 10 kinda presidency.

Sent from my moto g(6) using TapatalkPump actions and handguns will be verboten too. Think single shots, black powder and archery.

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[mmc45414]

Pump actions and handguns will be verboten too. Think single shots, black powder and archery.
They try to slide that under the radar as "The Australian Model" cause everybody love Australia, eh...

[blues]

If we're going to go down the road of the Australian Model, we can do better...


http://www.marieclaire.com.au/media/40180/australian-models.jpg

[Darth_Uno]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_the_Soviet_Union

[Darth_Uno]

If we're going to go down the road of the Australian Model, we can do better...



Way too skinny for me.



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[blues]

Way too skinny for me.



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Sorry, I picked the first "Australian Model" image. I may be retired but I've got other stuff to do. ;)

[JohnO]

What he fails to mention is that, according to one of my Canadian friends, everyone likes the Canadian health care system except the Canadians. Try getting a doctor appointment in a timely manner.


Numerous diagnostic imaging facilities in Connecticut scan cash paying Canadian patients because the wait for a scan in Canada could be the difference between a cure and a pine box.

[Darth_Uno]

Sorry, I picked the first "Australian Model" image. I may be retired but I've got other stuff to do. ;)

I like my women like I like my rifles. Short, American, and a little bit heavy.

[blues]

I like my women like I like my rifles. Short, American, and a little bit heavy.

Okay, I'm not takin' the bait...

Oh, what the hell. I'm married to an Italian.

Guess that means I like to throw her to the ground, throw my hands in the air and wait to be shot (or shivved). ;)





(Technically, she's not Italian. She's all American. Her sister and brother, however, were born in the old country.)

[Darth_Uno]

My wife's actually 5'11", but I don't let that get in the way of a good joke.

[Darth_Uno]

Guess that means I like to throw her to the ground, throw my hands in the air and wait to be shot (or shivved). ;)



"These are just examples. It could also be something much better."

[Totem Polar]

Sorry, I picked the first "Australian Model" image. I may be retired but I've got other stuff to do. ;)

Everyone’s a critic. You could give them a hundred dollar bill, and someone would complain that it’s not in 20s.

;)

(I kid, I kid)

[OlongJohnson]

I tried to watch and made it almost 10 minutes.

He's addressing topics that are legitimate. Mostly the cost of health care so far in the first ten minutes. The problem is he's making good sound bites, but not providing a solution. "Insulin in Canada costs 10% of what it does in the States, and it's all the greedy corporations' fault!" (I paraphrased that.) Yeah, if you take that at face value it's easy to get fired up about. And his plan is too pee-pee smack those companies into submission. Well, both the issues and solutions are muh more complex than that, but "let's get them greedy sumbitches" sells.

I'm trying to get through it, but have to take frequent, repeated breaks to process the nuttiness I just heard. He does identify problems in society that are problematic, but his prescriptions are exactly the wrong answer time after time.

Just the free college thing, since it hasn't been discussed here. We have a problem that large numbers of people are making oversize investments in an activity, and then finding that the way they made that investment does not have a good payoff. So his solution is to take the skin of the people making the investment out of the game and replace it with the skin of future taxpaying generations, so that there will be no possibility of the individuals making the bad investments ever being motivated to rethink their poor decisions in advance. In fact, there will only be more of them - we have an unlimited supply. But it won't be the people taking action getting screwed by their failure to think the game through to the end, it will be everybody getting screwed together. Like in Soviet Russia.


American gun owners have more "assault weapons" than the US military according to #CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)

My thought was, "What a relief - that's how it should be."

When he says you can completely legally go into a gun show, pass the background checks, buy a dozen guns and then walk them outside and sell them to criminals, he's just spouting nonsense. There are at least three ways that could land a person in prison by existing Federal law. Unlicensed dealer, straw purchaser, transferring to a known prohibited person.

So either he's completely ignorant of the current situation, or he does know the current situation and is lying like a rug. Either way, whether due to incompetence or dishonesty, nobody should be listening to him on policy on this topic. He's sooo wrong. And that's just a topic a dummy like me can easily become reasonably competent about, because all the information is widely published and it's pretty cut and dried and easy to understand.

Why would anybody think he is worth listening to about the difficult and complex topics where accurate information is difficult to collect?

And then, in one breath he says that for 30 years, he's believed that "assault weapons" should not be available to civilians. In the next breath, he says that because there are so many of them already in civilian hands, there must be some kind of registration scheme put in place for the existing ones. We don't have to imagine how that goes, we've seen the movie, over and over. Why would any person with an IQ greater than the number of rounds in their magazine believe that registration isn't simply the first next step on the road to his eventual goal of confiscation? It's kittening transparent.

[Yung]

Not watching it. I guess pee-paw wants a fourth house.

[Bart Carter]

American gun owners have more "assault weapons" than the US military according to #CrazyBernie (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CrazyBernie)

Well, according to history and the Constitution/Bill of Rights, that is the way it is supposed to be. The citizens were to always be able to stop a government that has exceeded its authority.

I find the argument that we should only have flintlock rifles because that is what we had during the American Revolution and when the Constitution/Bill of Rights were created. What we really had was firepower that was superior to the opposing (British) government forces. We had rifles, they had muskets. So, where are our machine guns? :p