Antifa met w/ISIS & Al Qaeda

[Drang]

ISIS connection to US anarchists revealed in Ed Klein book | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5018141/ISIS-connection-anarchists-revealed-Ed-Klein-book.html)
A big fuckin' deal if true.

EXCLUSIVE: US left wing groups travelled to Germany for the G20 Summit last July to meet with Al qaeda and ISIS leaders and plot the destruction of President Trump, secret FBI investigation reveals
Bestselling author Edward Klein is set to release his latest book All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump
Klein makes the shocking revelation that an FBI investigation discovered collusion between American anarchists and ISIS and Al-Qaeda
'This is the greatest challenge to law enforcement since the Weather Underground and the Black Panther Party,' the FBI report declared
It reveals the FBI sent a task force to Germany to report on radical groups that planned to protest President Trump's attendance at this year's G20 Summit
The investigation determined that U.S.-backed anarchist/radical groups had traveled to Germany and took part in the violence
There was also evidence that three key leaders of an Oakland group met in Hamburg with a leader of the Al-Qaeda
The foreign terrorists were helping them acquire the weapons they are seeking, primarily bomb-making equipment and toxic chemicals and gasses

[HCM]

It's not exactly a "revelation".... its been in Rolling Stone, Vice News etc...


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/untold-story-syria-antifa-platoon-666159/

The Untold Story of Syria's Antifa Platoon

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/the-anarchists-vs-the-islamic-state-109047/

The Anarchists vs. the Islamic State
On the front lines of Syria with the young American radicals fighting ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Freedom_Battalion


The International Freedom Battalion (Turkish: Enternasyonalist Özgürlük Taburu; Kurdish: Tabûra Azadî ya Înternasyonal‎; Arabic: تابور الحرية العالمي‎), commonly abbreviated as IFB or EÖT, is an armed group consisting of leftist foreign fighters fighting for the People's Protection Units in the Syrian Civil War in support of the Rojava Revolution and against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[4][5] The formation of the International Freedom Battalion was announced on 10 June 2015 in Serê Kaniyê (Ras al-Ayn).[6][7] Inspiration for the group came from the International Brigades of the Spanish Civil War. The political ideologies of the fighters include Marxism–Leninism, Hoxhaism, Maoism, and anarchism.

[RevolverRob]

Okay - let's roll it back and edit this thread title -

American Activist Groups met w/ISIS & Al Qaeda should be the title.

There is no indication that it was Antifa. In fact, in that whole article, Antifa is mentioned once in the context that ISIS was attempting to recruit Americans like those in Antifa.

It says "The agents sent by the FBI paid particular attention to a group of anarchists from Oakland..."

While I'm no fan of Antifa (an Antifan?), until it is clearly demonstrated that it was Antifa - to suggest otherwise is "fake news". It's just inflammatory and unnecessary.

[HCM]

Okay - let's roll it back and edit this thread title -

American Activist Groups met w/ISIS & Al Qaeda should be the title.

There is no indication that it was Antifa. In fact, in that whole article, Antifa is mentioned once in the context that ISIS was attempting to recruit Americans like those in Antifa.

It says "The agents sent by the FBI paid particular attention to a group of anarchists from Oakland..."

While I'm no fan of Antifa (an Antifan?), until it is clearly demonstrated that it was Antifa - to suggest otherwise is "fake news". It's just inflammatory and unnecessary.

Remember, these people are anarchists ANTIFA is a confederation of individuals and groups with a shared spectrum of "anti-fascist" ideology , not an organization - you cant be a card carrying member of ANTIFA like it was the Wu-Tang Clan.

Some overtly identify as 'ANTIFA" others do so more subtly claiming to be "autonomous" etc. some deny it all together.

Just like "Alt-Right" and "White Nationalist" are right wing extremist ideologies and confederations, not organizations.

I do agree the book in the OP smacks of sensationalism.

[KellyinAvon]

Terrorists coming across the southern border will bring in the expertise in bomb making, organization, C2, etc. Illegal alien gang members like the incredibly violent MS-13 can provide fear in the same manner as Boko Haram in Nigeria. The ANTIFA and other assorted "Occupy" types will be the useful idiots. This can happen.

[Arbninftry]

Okay - let's roll it back and edit this thread title -

American TERRORIST CONSPIRING Groups met w/ISIS & Al Qaeda should be the title. HANG THEM NOW

There is no indication that it was Antifa. In fact, in that whole article, Antifa is mentioned once in the context that ISIS was attempting to recruit Americans like those in Antifa.

It says "The agents sent by the FBI paid particular attention to a group of anarchists from Oakland..."

While I'm no fan of Antifa (an Antifan?), until it is clearly demonstrated that it was Antifa - to suggest otherwise is "fake news". It's just inflammatory and unnecessary.



Fixed this. TRAITORS need hung in public. F&&* EM

[Caballoflaco]

Terrorists coming across the southern border will bring in the expertise in bomb making, organization, C2, etc. Illegal alien gang members like the incredibly violent MS-13 can provide fear in the same manner as Boko Haram in Nigeria. The ANTIFA and other assorted "Occupy" types will be the useful idiots. This can happen.

Lay-off the fearporn bro. it’s terrible for your constitution. Rise above being a gun-forum caricature

[Casual Friday]

Lay-off the fearporn bro. it’s terrible for your constitution. Rise above being a gun-forum caricature

Except he's not wrong.

[KellyinAvon]

Lay-off the fearporn bro. it’s terrible for your constitution. Rise above being a gun-forum caricature

No, the threat I described is realistic. On 10 Sep 01 most would have said it's hyperbolic to say 19 assholes with box cutters could send this country into a war that will last longer than Vietnam.

[Caballoflaco]

Except he's not wrong.


No, the threat I described is realistic. On 10 Sep 01 most would have said it's hyperbolic to say 19 assholes with box cutters could send this country into a war that will last longer than Vietnam.

Yeah, because Salvadoran prison gangs care about politics, and antifa need foreign expertise in organization and bomb building. And that help would illegally cross the southern border at great risk rather than just get a student or visitor visa like the 911 terrorists. Ok.

[RevolverRob]

Fixed this. TRAITORS need hung in public. F&&* EM

I mean, I agree with you that if and when the individual actors in question commit the crimes of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism, they should be prosecuted accordingly.

But we can no more prosecute people for membership in organizations or even having a conversation with someone in Al Qaeda than we can for someone being a registered Democrat and having dinner with member of the Aryan Brotherhood. We have to respect our law of the land and the Constitution that guides us. Otherwise we're not any better than the facists that Antifa claim we are. A difficult moral dilemma but one that must be carefully navigated.

I will note on a fascinating sequitur - that I fell down the rabbit hole yesterday learning all about what actually constitutes treason. And since we have no formally declared war on Al Qaeda and/or ISIS no one can actually be convicted of proper treason. Of course...we have all other kinds of things we can and do convict people of that are tantamount to treason, but are not technically treason.

[HCM]

Terrorists coming across the southern border will bring in the expertise in bomb making, organization, C2, etc. Illegal alien gang members like the incredibly violent MS-13 can provide fear in the same manner as Boko Haram in Nigeria. The ANTIFA and other assorted "Occupy" types will be the useful idiots. This can happen.

MS-13 are just another bunch of thugs. As for the rest, no. Just no.

[HCM]

I mean, I agree with you that if and when the individual actors in question commit the crimes of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism, they should be prosecuted accordingly.

But we can no more prosecute people for membership in organizations or even having a conversation with someone in Al Qaeda than we can for someone being a registered Democrat and having dinner with member of the Aryan Brotherhood. We have to respect our law of the land and the Constitution that guides us. Otherwise we're not any better than the facists that Antifa claim we are. A difficult moral dilemma but one that must be carefully navigated.

I will note on a fascinating sequitur - that I fell down the rabbit hole yesterday learning all about what actually constitutes treason. And since we have no formally declared war on Al Qaeda and/or ISIS no one can actually be convicted of proper treason. Of course...we have all other kinds of things we can and do convict people of that are tantamount to treason, but are not technically treason.

Rob, the fact that you and I are the voice of reason here shows just how this thread has gone to hell in just a page and half.

That said, you have one very important thing wrong.

US law provides for the designation of groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS as “foreign terrorist organizations” (FTO) by the U.S. Secretary of State. Membership in or providing material support to FTO’s is a felony. In the right context conversations can be “Material support.”

That said there is no such thing as designation of domestic terrorism organizations and despite Ted Cruz’s current shenanigans I don’t believe there is a constitutional way to do such a thing domestically.

With that, I’m out. This thread is on ignore - y’all can wallow in ignorance and conspiracy theories without me.

[Hambo]

MS-13 are just another bunch of thugs. As for the rest, no. Just no.

The voice of reason.

[LittleLebowski]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37817-Puppy-born-with-a-mustache