I am in Revolver heaven....

[Dagga Boy]

This one has made me very happy!

https://www.facebook.com/1199287713557074/posts/1364255977060246/

[Leroy Suggs]

Indeed!

[jtcarm]

Just beautiful.

I’ve wished for years for a Model 21 or 22 HB.

[Ed L]

From the post:

"My favorite aspect of this gun is that it was less than a new polymer service pistol. "

[rainman]

OUTSTANDING Darryl!

Side note; I knew by the title of your post that I'd better 'grab a towel' before clicking on that link...I wasn't wrong! ;)

Congrats.


-Rainman

[03RN]

Just beautiful

[JHC]

Magnificent gun and magnificent story. Personally, I wish the .41 and .44 swapped places in commercial success. But what a great TX wheelie.

[Rex G]

Wonderful story; beautiful sixgun!

I have a special place in my heart for the Model 58. I bought my ex-SAPD 58 in ‘85, and used it as my duty sixgun (Houston PD, which does not issue duty handguns) until 1990, when its moving parts’ engagement surfaces started showing enough looseness to be a concern, so I switched to .45 auto-pistols and .357 revolving pistols. (Realistically, N-Frames are a bit too large for for my K/L-sized hands, unless I use tiny grips, which are not a best way to mitigate recoil, so that ended my practical use of big-bore N-Frames.)

[Dagga Boy]

Wonderful story; beautiful sixgun!

I have a special place in my heart for the Model 58. I bought my ex-SAPD 58 in ‘85, and used it as my duty sixgun (Houston PD, which does not issue duty handguns) until 1990, when its moving parts’ engagement surfaces started showing enough looseness to be a concern, so I switched to .45 auto-pistols and .357 revolving pistols. (Realistically, N-Frames are a bit too large for for my K/L-sized hands, unless I use tiny grips, which are not a best way to mitigate recoil, so that ended my practical use of big-bore N-Frames.)

It’s funny Rex, you find lots of old .44 Mag Model 29’s that have had six rounds fired out of them and are like new. By the same token you also find a lot of shot out Model 58’s that were hard use cop guns with qualifications with full house .41 Magnum and then scooped up by shooters. My 58 was an SFPD gun that was bought by a California State game warden and hard chromed to use as a back county gun. He went to DEA and used it as a car gun. I bought it and also carried it is a car gun working plainclothes and as a back country gun. I shot it so much it was one of the few guns I actually shot completely out of time. When there is no light .41 special load for a gun that tends to be owned by shooters, the Model 58’s are the real deal.

[Hambo]

Wow. DB, you need to change you forum title to "Revolver Porn King".

[ralph]

DB, you're killing me..seriously, you need to get a book printed, really, you do..If Larry Vickers can do it with books on AR's and AK's and make out, you should easily be able to. You certianly have the subject matter.

[ralph]

From the post:

"My favorite aspect of this gun is that it was less than a new polymer service pistol. "

That's what hurts the most.. around here where I live, that kind of money would get you a wore out POS..

[Norville]

Very cool DB!

So, do we know how the conversion was done? A new cylinder could be fit, or the original bored. The barrel I assume was bored and re-rifled as it still bears the 41 designation?

I had a 58 years ago, sold it to my brother in law who probably traded it for something dumb...

[Dagga Boy]

Very cool DB!

So, do we know how the conversion was done? A new cylinder could be fit, or the original bored. The barrel I assume was bored and re-rifled as it still bears the 41 designation?

I had a 58 years ago, sold it to my brother in law who probably traded it for something dumb...

It was all rebored. It is difficult work to do right and it was done right. The gun was cheap because it was a risk that it was a Frankenstein gun. It’s not.

[Totem Polar]

The pics... are gorgeous. I too, have always liked the 58’s "M10 M&P all grown up" look. Too much of a good thing; wonderful, indeed. You should name that lovely round piece of the west, "Mae..."
;)

[Norville]

Nice. There’s always that risk but this one certainly works!

Enjoy it.

[entropy]

Screams “All bidness!”

What a find!

[wvincent]

I'll take it!!! Send me a PM.
Oh wait, this isn't the "For Sale" section? Well that really sucks because that 58 just "Sings" to me! Almost like it can sense it's brother, my 57 sitting here on the desk, hoping to make a happy family.
Seriously, that is an awesome find. I love it!

[Dave T]

About January of 1974 I had shot my M28-2 out of time and into end-shake problems with lots of DAO Magnum shooting/practice. While it was getting fixed I had to have another duty gun and came across a M-58 for a reasonable price. It fit my Safariland N-frame holster and my hand (I put the old "Coke Bottle" stocks I had been using on the 28 on the 58. Don't ask.) My biggest complaint was there was no options back then for N-frame spare ammo, except for a 12 round belt slide with cartridge loops. Speed loaders were just coming on the market and all the early versions were for K-frame cylinders. Nothing would be available for the 41 Magnum for some time.

I couldn't shoot the Rem 210 JHP ammo as fast as I wanted (follow up shots and multiple targets) so I tried the so called "police load". That swagged lead SWC leaded the barrel so bad it would be key-holing by the end of the cylinder. My department didn't care what ammo you carried (oh for those simple, by-gone days - lol) so I started hand loading the 41 Mag. Came up with a mold for a 215g SWC and cast them from wheel weights. Over a now forgotten charge of Unique, which the Lyman (I think) reloading manual said would give me 900-1000 fps. It shot great with very little leading so I was happy.

I had been reading Jeff Cooper's stuff in G&A and shortly after getting the M-58 I bought a MK IV, Series 70 Government Model. In April of that year my department authorized semi autos for the first time and I qualified easily with the 45 ACP and switched to that from the revolver. Sometime within a year I traded the M-58 for something else...probably another 1911 as I was hooked by then. (smile)

Dave

[Trooper224]

That's simply perfect.

[rsa-otc]

DB;

I read somewhere a while ago that the original S&W 58 bore were a tad oversize for the commercial loads at the time. This supposedly caused accuracy lead build up issues. It was said to be one of the reason the 41 did not gain popularity originally.

Being on the east coast I didn't see any at the time in the wild.

Was there any truth to that?

[Caballoflaco]

Dagga Boy I’m just here to leave this link to Headstamp publishing, which was recently founded by Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons, the owner of Armament research group and the guy who was behind the Vickers coffee table books. I think publishing a coffee table book of American fighting revolvers would be right in their lane.

https://www.headstamppublishing.com/about

[Dave T]

I read somewhere a while ago that the original S&W 58 bore were a tad oversize for the commercial loads at the time. This supposedly caused accuracy lead build up issues. It was said to be one of the reason the 41 did not gain popularity originally.

Was there any truth to that?

Not trying to steel DB's possible answer, but as I said in my post earlier, the soft swagged lead bullets of the so called police load had more to do with the leading and inaccuracy with factory ammo than bore diameter. And the late '60s M-58 I owned had a bore of .410".

Dave

[Hambo]

Dagga Boy I’m just here to leave this link to Headstamp publishing, which was recently founded by Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons, the owner of Armament research group and the guy who was behind the Vickers coffee table books. I think publishing a coffee table book of American fighting revolvers would be right in their lane.

https://www.headstamppublishing.com/about

And while you're working on that, some episodes with Ian would be great.

[Caballoflaco]

Also dropping a link to the short video where Ian talks about the company and says that they’re looking for authors.


https://youtu.be/wL6ynKsoD-U

[SeriousStudent]

Excellent revolver. :)

We need to talk about elk stocks. I want to put a set on that 45 revolver you sold me.

[Dagga Boy]

Excellent revolver. :)

We need to talk about elk stocks. I want to put a set on that 45 revolver you sold me.

Absolutely!

[Dagga Boy]

Also dropping a link to the short video where Ian talks about the company and says that they’re looking for authors.


https://youtu.be/wL6ynKsoD-U

Does anyone actually know Ian for an intro or something.

[Hambo]

Does anyone actually know Ian for an intro or something.

Unfortunately, no. He did two interviews with Ken Hackathorn on the M1 carbine and Thompson, so he's obviously open to other people/ideas. Forgotten Weapons is on FaceBook, and so are you and your pics of classic/historic revolvers. Throw some Wolf and Klar bait in the water...

[spinmove_]

Does anyone actually know Ian for an intro or something.

Dude, hit up Matt Landfair. I’m sure he’d be more than happy to hook you two up.


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[wvincent]

Dagga Boy, perhaps I missed it, but what was the reason for the conversion? Certainly there were N-frame 45LC revolvers available?

[Jim Watson]

Not fixed sight .45 LC.

[Dagga Boy]

Not fixed sight .45 LC.

Exactly, along with no ejector housing.

[Jim Watson]

But customers were glad to see the ejector rod housing in 1926.

[Trooper224]

But customers were glad to see the ejector rod housing in 1926.


That's because nostalgia wasn't a big driver in those decisions then, as it is now.

[Jim Watson]

Sure it was.
First Model .44 Hand Ejector (Triple Lock) with housing. (actually the channel for the third latch.)
Second Model .44 H.E. without housing, just like a big Military & Police .38.
Third Model .44 H.E. with housing, special order from Wolf & Klar.

[Trooper224]

Sure it was.
First Model .44 Hand Ejector (Triple Lock) with housing. (actually the channel for the third latch.)
Second Model .44 H.E. without housing, just like a big Military & Police .38.
Third Model .44 H.E. with housing, special order from Wolf & Klar.


That had little to with nostalgia, but rather economics, speed of manufacturing and field experience.

[1slow]

Ejector rod housing:

Pro:
Protects ejector rod from bending.

Con:
Ejector rod housing can fill with mud/and keep cylinder from closing.

Best might be: ejector rod housing open on both sides, protecting rod from front and bottom ?

[Dagga Boy]

But customers were glad to see the ejector rod housing in 1926.

There was more to both. The third lock was removed and the housing to make a cheaper and easier to build gun for WW1. Wolf & Klar wanted a Triple Lock, but settled for just the housing. The correspondence and issues with dealing with S&W to get that gun made were astounding. S&W was a pain in the ass then as well. Also, once it was made and a huge success with W&K, of course all the other distributors wanted to infringe on their exclusive.

[Jim Watson]

I am sure the Wessons were not interested in bringing back the Triple Lock after demonstrating that it was not necessary.
Not being in trench warfare, I kind of like the housing but am not wedded to it.

[OlongJohnson]

There was more to both. The third lock was removed and the housing to make a cheaper and easier to build gun for WW1. Wolf & Klar wanted a Triple Lock, but settled for just the housing. The correspondence and issues with dealing with S&W to get that gun made were astounding. S&W was a pain in the ass then as well. Also, once it was made and a huge success with W&K, of course all the other distributors wanted to infringe on their exclusive.

Full story in your book?

[Dagga Boy]

I am sure the Wessons were not interested in bringing back the Triple Lock after demonstrating that it was not necessary.
Not being in trench warfare, I kind of like the housing but am not wedded to it.

It was more that the Triple Locks were basically a handbuilt custom gun. Once the transition was made from Single Action revolvers to big bore DA guns production capabilities became a big issue.

[Stephanie B]

This is all making me interested in a Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt, but I think that I can resist.

[ralph]

This is all making me interested in a Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt, but I think that I can resist.

I looked at those as well, I ended up with a Vaquero in .45acp, (stainless with a birdshead grip, and 3 3/4"bbl)I was wanting a .45acp revolver and I think this will do. I did read of some issues with light strikes with the Redhawk when using moon clips and .45acp, but it seemed fine with .45LC..

[JHC]

This one has made me very happy!

https://www.facebook.com/1199287713557074/posts/1364255977060246/

So also on FB I came across this the Robert C Ruark page.

Had to put it somewhere.

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[Shumba]

So also on FB I came across this the Robert C Ruark page.

Had to put it somewhere.

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“He looked at me as if I owed him money.”
Robert Ruark