The Punisher Logo and Police

[Glenn E. Meyer]

https://www.cbr.com/st-louis-police-union-punisher-logo-twitter/

We've discussed how having this logo on your gear might hurt you in court. Here's a discussion of the comic world vs. police usage of the symbol.

The debate is whether the symbol and mode of operations of the character are appropriate for the law and whether adminstration can act against it - this upsets the union.

[Lon]

OMG how I hate that Punisher/TBL bullshit. Totally agree with the creator of the Punisher - it has no place in LE. It’s stupid.

And while I’m talking about stupid shit that’s worked it’s way into LE, can I throw the stupid Spartan helmet bullshit in there as well?

This rocket scientist works in some small village a couple hours from my justification. He was in town at his girlfriends and when he was leaving he thought he saw a drug deal (which he probably did) so he stops and searches the dude wearing his uniform with this exterior carrier and his baseball cap on backwards and then called us. I took the call when I heard them dispatch one of my guys and could not believe what this dipshit did. Needless to say no one got charged and the $5 bag of weed got booked in for destruction.

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[paherne]

Defense and Civil Rights attorneys will send an investigator to go photo all of the personal vehicles in the PD parking lot, will search your online presence, and will take ANYTHING mildly controversial and paint you as an evil, Nazi Racist, chauvinist, animal-hating puppy kicker. Putting the emblem of a comic book character who is a fired cop who murders criminals in extra-judicial orgies of violence will play well with jurors, I am sure.

The Thin Blue Line stuff is stupid, but I understand it and own a couple of shirts and stickers I've been given.

It's always been my observation that if you have to tell the world what a badass you are, you probably aren't one.

[Lester Polfus]

This is a ridiculous failure of leadership.

If I had shown up to work with a Punisher logo on my uniform, my chief, captains, lieutenants or sergeants wouldn't have done anything about it. That's because one of the dozens of other officers who had at least one more day of seniority would have walked up to me and said "take that shit off. It's stupid."

[Jeep]

Generally, when you have a grown-up job that involves, among other things, testifying in court, it makes sense to behave like an adult and a professional, even if inside of you is an aging teenager who wants to get out. It is probably the case that with most men that that hidden teenager is there to some extent or the other (only gradually fading away over the years) but generally its a pretty bad idea to let it loose if your job requires adult conduct.

[paherne]

This is a ridiculous failure of leadership.

If I had shown up to work with a Punisher logo on my uniform, my chief, captains, lieutenants or sergeants wouldn't have done anything about it. That's because one of the dozens of other officers who had at least one more day of seniority would have walked up to me and said "take that shit off. It's stupid."

Oh, it gets better. One of our last recruit classes at the regional academy had a punisher logo put on their sweatshirt they made. The academy staff didn't see a problem with it. As most of the folks who teach at our academy never did enough police work to be sued in Federal court, it all makes sense.

[ragnar_d]

Cattlesburg PD could have told them how this one was going to turn out:
https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/article134722264.html

[wvincent]

Cattlesburg PD could have told them how this one was going to turn out:
https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/article134722264.html

Congrats on wasting a bunch of money that could have been used on something more vital, like umm, training perhaps?

[TheNewbie]

What a joke what a joke what a joke.

One time I wore one of those idiotic thin blue line para cord bracelets out. My brother made fun of me. He was right to do so and it pointed out to me just how cheesy and stupid it was. That was almost a decade ago.


I actually don't like the thin blue line American flag. Let the American flag be the American flag.



We not the BOPE.

[WobblyPossum]

Add me to the list of people who think the Punisher logo has absolutely no place in law enforcement in the United States. I don’t like it on patches, decals, stickers, clothing, or challenge coins. The Punisher is a character who murders scores of people. It doesn’t matter that they’re bad people. Murdering people is a crime because it’s a morally evil action. I don’t want the public to ever associate law enforcement officers with the idea that murder is okay.

I’m not a fan of thin blue lines and spartan helmets at all either but they aren’t anywhere near as stupid as Punisher skulls.

[Lester Polfus]

Cattlesburg PD could have told them how this one was going to turn out:
https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/article134722264.html


Congrats on wasting a bunch of money that could have been used on something more vital, like umm, training perhaps?

I'm far more familiar with the town of Catlettsburg than I would care to be. I somehow missed this when it happened, but I am not the least bit surprised.

[Clark Jackson]

Punisher skull, Spartan helmet, TBL stuff, etc. are all more examples of 4TM (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37208-Trying-to-Touch-the-Magic-4TMhttp://). It's everywhere. Please add Batman patches to the list which I've seen on uniformed law enforcement in my local grocery store.

paherne is spot on... if you have to tell someone you're hard the magic 8-ball says "Don't count on it."

I've never understood the desire by some military personnel to wear "morale patches" let alone why any domestic law enforcement officers would do the same. Apart from possible legal ramifications it looks unprofessional and conveys a multitude of messages - intended and unintended. The general public deserves better from uniformed professionals.

"Practical and professional" is a concept I respect. I wish more did. Adult LARPing in the real world with real world consequences is a no-go.

Mike Pannone put it pretty well in his 'Til Valhalla video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UmWTkovTQQ). If you need that Punisher skull or Spartan helmet or Batman symbol on your kit you probably should be selling cars somewhere instead.

[blues]

If you need that Punisher skull or Spartan helmet or Batman symbol on your kit you probably should be selling cars somewhere instead.

Maybe Gotham City. ;)

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Wrong universe. Batman is DC. Punisher is Marvel. In a crossover, Batman beat up Punisher.

[TheNewbie]

I think LAPD has one of the most professional looking uniforms. The no patches for patrol officers keeps it simple and sharp looking. There are some assignments that include uniform patches, but these patches are low key and processional looking.

[Clark Jackson]

I think LAPD has one of the most professional looking uniforms. The no patches for patrol officers keeps it simple and sharp looking. There are some assignments that include uniform patches, but these patches are low key and processional looking.

I've have had a few friendly encounters with law enforcement in various places which usually occur because of my inability to maintain proper speed.

Hands down the most professional law enforcement I've ever encountered is the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS). Texas State Troopers have a strict uniform policy and I have yet to see one that is obese. A close second is the Pennsylvania State Police.

Zero morale patches spotted on either.

[Dagga Boy]

You used to save the sweatshirts with logo stuff for cop parties and not stuff you would ever wear in public. The world is a different place and the old secret decoder ring stuff is now out there in the “hey, look at me” arena. That gets ugly when THEY actually are looking at you.

[Lester Polfus]

I've have had a few friendly encounters with law enforcement in various places which usually occur because of my inability to maintain proper speed.

Hands down the most professional law enforcement I've ever encountered is the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS). Texas State Troopers have a strict uniform policy and I have yet to see one that is obese. A close second is the Pennsylvania State Police.

Zero morale patches spotted on either.

I'm a big fan of Police officers looking like professionals. I'm totally torn on the whole BDU-ish looking uniform, coupled with the LBE over vest. I totally get the utility of it, and I just took 800mg of IBU for my lower back, which supported a duty belt for much less time than other people. But I hate the look.

[CWM11B]

The majority of folks I saw wearing this crap at my agency were clearly overweight, out of shape, and marginal performers. Several them were remedial shooters. In my position, every one came through my shop for training. I routinely pointed out the pitfalls of these items and the optics, provided some case examples, and pointed out it was against policy to wear them. People still did, and far to many supervisors did nothing about it. Some even wore the stuff themselves. Were I still in the game, and especially if I was a chief, this would be a hard NO. Same for some of the ridiculous graphics packages I've seen on patrol vehicles. The question I would like to hear asked, pondered, and objectively considered before putting that crap on is: How does this enhance the performance of my duties? If the answer is "it doesn't", probably best to leave it alone.

[Trooper224]

I despise this kind of trash. It's juvenile, unprofessional and so many other negative things. I also hate thin blue line t-shirts, challenge coins and all the other kitchy bull shit that's permeated me former profession. There was a time when we were good cops and that was enough. We had a set of big brass ones, but we didn't feel the need to let them swing free in public, or put them on an insta-selfie-face post, or a t-shirt. This is really just another example of the identity politics that's infected every aspect of our society.

[FNFAN]

I throw the stupid Spartan helmet bullshit in there as well.

Wait…WHAT?


I’m not a fan of thin blue lines and spartan helmets at all either.

Oh JEEZE!

I kinda liked my Spartan helmet avatar!

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Now if y'all take exception to Ms. Zedra.....:p

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But Seriously:

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society. The "warrior society" was defeated and died out. I think it's important as law enforcers to not develop the "us vs. them" mindset and remember that it's a relatively small portion of society that are the broken, the abused, the abuser and the predators. It's just that we get called to deal with that class of folks regularly that it seems like humanity kind of sucks sometimes. But that is how we earn our keep!

[AZgunguy]

You used to save the sweatshirts with logo stuff for cop parties and not stuff you would ever wear in public. The world is a different place and the old secret decoder ring stuff is now out there in the “hey, look at me” arena. That gets ugly when THEY actually are looking at you.

Exactly, I had a shirt with the name tag on it, "Hello, My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die." I only wore it to the range. Even then I had to explain to my sergeant who was unfamiliar with "The Princess Bride."

You don't wear that stuff on the road and you don't have it on your gear.

[andre3k]

I did have a drawing of a penis show up on the end of a ram that we used for a warrant once. :(
Of all the cop trench art you can draw on a piece of city equipment, why that?

[UNM1136]

I can't stand that stuff.. I go back and forth on my "Service Dog Do Not Pet" patch on my plate carrier that only comes out every few months.

My big thing is to be identifiable. Those silly patches do nothing to identify me and could potentially misidentify me, leading to dumb questions I don't want to have to answer.

All my TBL and comic character stuff is gym wear, and I tend to work out at work.

pat

[Rex G]

“Punishing” a suspect is, by its very definition, crossing the line into the crime of Official Oppression, in Texas. Yes, use necessary, reasonable force, but, the instant that the intent of the force is to punish, we have committed a crime, ourselves. The court system decides what the punishment will be, and it will not be the job of the PD to carry out the punishment.

This is the lesson, more or less, I taught each of my trainees.

The only members of the PD who can “punish” are the four-legged K9 furpeople, and, of course, the handlers should do their best to minimize that.

As for this character, with the skull-ish logo, is he the raccoon-ish one, or the one with the hammer, or, perhaps, the one who rides on a flying surfboard?

[Lon]

Wait…WHAT?



Oh JEEZE!

I kinda liked my Spartan helmet avatar!

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Now if y'all take exception to Ms. Zedra.....:p

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But Seriously:

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society. The "warrior society" was defeated and died out. I think it's important as law enforcers to not develop the "us vs. them" mindset and remember that it's a relatively small portion of society that are the broken, the abused, the abuser and the predators. It's just that we get called to deal with that class of folks regularly that it seems like humanity kind of sucks sometimes. But that is how we earn our keep!

I don’t have a problem with Spartan helmets, I have a problem with the dumb shit pictured below.

But Ms. Z is a much better avatar.

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Neither do I have a problem with the plain TBL stuff, in moderation.

[HCM]

Add me to the list of people who think the Punisher logo has absolutely no place in law enforcement in the United States. I don’t like it on patches, decals, stickers, clothing, or challenge coins. The Punisher is a character who murders scores of people. It doesn’t matter that they’re bad people. Murdering people is a crime because it’s a morally evil action. I don’t want the public to ever associate law enforcement officers with the idea that murder is okay.

I’m not a fan of thin blue lines and spartan helmets at all either but they aren’t anywhere near as stupid as Punisher skulls.

There really isn’t anything particularly immoral about killing the people the fictional Punisher targets. The reason the Punisher is inappropriate for LEOs is LEOs are Agents of the rule of law and its associated dignity culture where as the Punisher has rejected the rule of law and the dignity culture for the honor culture.

In those terms an LEO wearing a Punisher symbol is essentially saying the system he/ she represents is ineffective.

Since my academy colleagues apparently don’t teach rookies anything anymore ;-) here is a flow chart which can aid in determining when a Punisher skull is appropriate:

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[Sensei]

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society.

Within 25 years, you will probably be able to add the Gadsden Flag and the Stars and Stripes to that list. In the end, ancient Sparta will have dominated 500 years of history and we will have barely limped by 250. Let the list be a stark reminder of what happens when your society begins to value granola and gay porn over a warrior ethos.

But yes, I agree that Spartan helmets, Punisher Skulls, Gadsden Flags and all of the other emojis have no business in military or police equipment/attire.

[peterb]

Let the list be a stark reminder of what happens when your society begins to value granola and gay porn over a warrior ethos.

What, now you’re hating on granola? I make a damn good granola/trail mix. The Swiss army eats muesli and nobody gives them grief about it..... ;)

[Poconnor]

I put punisher grips on a Ruger MK ll but that was for my sons when they were pre teens and marvel fans. I don’t even like the FOP emblems or license plates. I like to blend in which means no cool guy shirts, hats or tattoos in public. This reminds me of the sons of anarchy shirts. I always ask myself why do people do these things?

[Larry Sellers]

I've have had a few friendly encounters with law enforcement in various places which usually occur because of my inability to maintain proper speed.

Hands down the most professional law enforcement I've ever encountered is the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS). Texas State Troopers have a strict uniform policy and I have yet to see one that is obese. A close second is the Pennsylvania State Police.

Zero morale patches spotted on either.CT state police is up there as well. Two uniforms:

Short sleeve in the summer, long in the winter.

Aside from ultra special assignments that's what they wear and I think it says something about their professionalism.


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[Cory]

I'm not a cop, I'm former .mil and otherwise a pretty regular guy.

I can't stand seeing the US Flag modified for the gain of specific groups, or as a means to show individuality. In other words, let Ol Glory represent the entire United States the way she should. She shouldn't be modified as a means to segregate.

Thin blue line flags and the like are stupid. I understand the idea is to show you're supportive of Law Enforcment, but I think there is a better way to do it then modifying my flag. It's the only thing I dislike about my LTT shirt, and why I don't wear it much.

I have the same issue with the thin red line flags. By the way, when did that become a symbol to support fireman and not a symbol about the horrors of war? I have no quarrel about what they represent it's about the manner they try to do it.

I think most patches are a no go for LEO from a professionalism stand point. I don't think the same is true for military while deployed to combat zones. Everyone having a similar patch or little logo can boost morale. I know one squad of my company always put on a patch of a wolf howling at the moon and called themselves the wolfpack. It helped keep their moral high, made their team stronger, and kept the warrior mindset for them. Fuck with the pack and you get bit. They could have used another logo just as easily and it would have functioned the same. For soldiers I think a willingness to be violent and kill others is a needed aspect that is more essential to the core mission. It's a soldier's duty to kill the enemy. Police not so much.

So I don't think patches detract too much from professionalism for deployed soldiers, but do detract from Police.

-Cory

[Trooper224]

but I think there is a better way to do it then modifying my flag.

It's OUR flag sports fan.

Don't throw stones too far in that glass house.

[Cory]

It's OUR flag sports fan.

Don't throw stones too far in that glass house.

I've come to refer to several things as "mine". It's my country, my flag. Nothing about that stops it from being yours too.

I've never been much of a sports fan really. Thanks for implying I'm a hypocrite though. That was nice of you.

-Cory

[Glenn E. Meyer]

For an interesting historical viewpoint. One of the strident anti-War demonstators in Viet Nam days was on the tube wearing an American Flag shirt. There was outcry and cursing. Horrors, horrors. However, the next day, Roy Rogers (a cowbody singing star for you young ones) wore the same shirt for his bit on the Ed Sullivan show (or some other variety TV show).

As far as logos, I have a polo shirt that says: Homicide Research Group. It is white with a classic black outline of a dead body (the chalk in the movies). My wife won't let me wear it out. I have worn it at matches where the gun folk thing it is some kind of cos play for my intent at the match. Ha - it is the tee shirt of the Homicide Research Group which is a subset of the American Society for Criminology and sold at their academic convention.

I used to wear my Rangemaster t-shirt to work out at the school gym. It's aggressive. So before I retired, I switched to just a plain old PC one. Guess I am a wussy.

[HCM]

I'm not a cop, I'm former .mil and otherwise a pretty regular guy.

I can't stand seeing the US Flag modified for the gain of specific groups, or as a means to show individuality. In other words, let Ol Glory represent the entire United States the way she should. She shouldn't be modified as a means to segregate.

Thin blue line flags and the like are stupid. I understand the idea is to show you're supportive of Law Enforcment, but I think there is a better way to do it then modifying my flag. It's the only thing I dislike about my LTT shirt, and why I don't wear it much.

I have the same issue with the thin red line flags. By the way, when did that become a symbol to support fireman and not a symbol about the horrors of war? I have no quarrel about what they represent it's about the manner they try to do it.

I think most patches are a no go for LEO from a professionalism stand point. I don't think the same is true for military while deployed to combat zones. Everyone having a similar patch or little logo can boost morale. I know one squad of my company always put on a patch of a wolf howling at the moon and called themselves the wolfpack. It helped keep their moral high, made their team stronger, and kept the warrior mindset for them. Fuck with the pack and you get bit. They could have used another logo just as easily and it would have functioned the same. For soldiers I think a willingness to be violent and kill others is a needed aspect that is more essential to the core mission. It's a soldier's duty to kill the enemy. Police not so much.

So I don't think patches detract too much from professionalism for deployed soldiers, but do detract from Police.

-Cory

The original blue line stuff was simply a blue line on a black background - the flag stuff came later and is not inherent to the blue line symbol.

As with gun related logos, in general, it doesn’t pay to advertise and is really only appropriate in certain venues.

I agree the Punisher logo is more appropriate for .mil than LEOs.

[Duelist]

It's OUR flag sports fan.

Don't throw stones too far in that glass house.

That’s a military thing- my flag, my Army, my beloved Corps, my barracks, my bus. Taking personal pronoun possession of something that is clearly either a piece of the community or the community as a whole kind of puts a personal responsibility for it in the individual. It isn’t ever meant to mean “mine, not yours” but rather “This is something I take personal responsibility for, that I feel a personal ownership of a piece of it.”

[Clark Jackson]

I'm not a cop, I'm former .mil and otherwise a pretty regular guy.

I can't stand seeing the US Flag modified for the gain of specific groups, or as a means to show individuality. In other words, let Ol Glory represent the entire United States the way she should. She shouldn't be modified as a means to segregate.

Thin blue line flags and the like are stupid. I understand the idea is to show you're supportive of Law Enforcment, but I think there is a better way to do it then modifying my flag. It's the only thing I dislike about my LTT shirt, and why I don't wear it much.

I have the same issue with the thin red line flags. By the way, when did that become a symbol to support fireman and not a symbol about the horrors of war? I have no quarrel about what they represent it's about the manner they try to do it.

I think most patches are a no go for LEO from a professionalism stand point. I don't think the same is true for military while deployed to combat zones. Everyone having a similar patch or little logo can boost morale. I know one squad of my company always put on a patch of a wolf howling at the moon and called themselves the wolfpack. It helped keep their moral high, made their team stronger, and kept the warrior mindset for them. Fuck with the pack and you get bit. They could have used another logo just as easily and it would have functioned the same. For soldiers I think a willingness to be violent and kill others is a needed aspect that is more essential to the core mission. It's a soldier's duty to kill the enemy. Police not so much.

So I don't think patches detract too much from professionalism for deployed soldiers, but do detract from Police.

-Cory

I agree with your stance on the flag modifications - I'm not a fan either.

I'm standing fast that military units stick with the issued and official morale patches: unit insignia, name, rank, and U.S. Flag... or adjustments/combos thereof as mission/branch dictates. And that's regardless of deployed status. If you need something more to boost morale you may have bigger problems within the organization.

Just an opinion.

[HCM]

I agree with your stance on the flag modifications - I'm not a fan either.

I'm standing fast that military units stick with the issued and official morale patches: unit insignia, name, rank, and U.S. Flag... or adjustments/combos thereof as mission/branch dictates. And that's regardless of deployed status. If you need something more to boost morale you may have bigger problems within the organization.

Just an opinion.

Morale patches, by definition are nether issued nor official.

[Drang]

I'm standing fast that military units stick with the issued and official morale patches: unit insignia, name, rank, and U.S. Flag... or adjustments/combos thereof as mission/branch dictates. And that's regardless of deployed status. If you need something more to boost morale you may have bigger problems within the organization.

Just an opinion.


Morale patches, by definition are nether issued nor official.

True enough, but there are a lot of aviators (and non-rated crew, which I was) out there who would tell you to GTFO telling them they can't wear their platoon/company patch on their flight suit. (Granted it can get ridiculous, I was counting the other day and I have two different patches for the same platoon, two more for the company, and one for the Special Mission "program.")

[Clark Jackson]

Morale patches, by definition are nether issued nor official.

Yeah, I get it. Thanks.

You missed my meaning and/or I did not clearly make the point.

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[HCM]

Yeah, I get it. Thanks.

You missed my meaning and/or I did not clearly make the point.

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Maybe you did not clearly communicate. Out of curiosity have you worn a uniform ? There’s a reason they call them morale patches.


https://youtu.be/4VHKpGJX29s

[GardoneVT]

Puts on Internet waders

On the subject of Punisher logos & police, it’s a fundamental credibility problem. The logo stands for the failure of law and due process; so either the LEO wearing doesn’t understand the symbol or is throwing shade at their profession. Neither says good things about their judgement.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I have two non-issued patches on my gear when at work. Both are on my soft armor which is worn under my uniform shift. Oe is a full color US flag that I wore when deployed with a grond combat element OCONUS. The other is a memorial patch for the four OPD officers murdered several years ago.

No TBL, no other images. Just don't wear stuff that van be even remotely problematic when working.

[rcbusmc24]

.mil....usmc infantry

We allow no other patches on your kit in my unit other than the unit provided zap number patch on the front of the plate carrier. Morale patches may be funny or have meaning to some small subset of the unit but by placing them on your kit overtly are an attempt to differentiate the individual from the team. Collect those patches and put them on a velcro roll hanging on a wall or in a binder.

Right now 2nd Mar Div units are fighting a directed gear SOP from the division commander because he feels that disipline is slipping. That could be another thread but I will happily rip morale patches off guys kits to keep the ability for guys to set their kit up the way that works best for them and not have everybody regardless of billet with the same setup.

[Baldanders]

Puts on Internet waders

On the subject of Punisher logos & police, it’s a fundamental credibility problem. The logo stands for the failure of law and due process; so either the LEO wearing doesn’t understand the symbol or is throwing shade at their profession. Neither says good things about their judgement.

As someone who remembers the character making the transition from villian to hero, I would agree with your analysis. He started out as a commentary/satire of Mack Bolan, "The Executioner," and similar characters such as the protagonist from "Death Wish." I believe he went to being a hero shortly after the Bernie Goetz incident.

He was certainly part of the mix of full-auto gear fetishism that fed my "gun nut" tendencies in the 80s--I still have the first four issues of "Punisher Armory," a prime example of pre-Internet "gun porn." Entire series here: https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Punisher-Armory

When he became a hero, the Punisher was pretty much the personification of "the War on Drugs."

These days, I see him as the personification of everything I am not fond of in "gun culture." Walter Mitty with anger issues....

If I saw a LEO wearing a Punisher skull, I can't say it would inspire confidence in his or her decision making process.

[Clark Jackson]

Maybe you did not clearly communicate. Out of curiosity have you worn a uniform ? There’s a reason they call them morale patches.

"Maybe you did not clearly communicate." Or I maybe I was just too nuanced. I'll be less scalpel and more sledgehammer in this post. It's okay, it happens, no big deal... I appreciate learning my audience and adapting.

"Out of curiosity have you worn a uniform." Classic. I won't answer simply because it does not matter - for a lot of reasons. But, I appreciate your attempt to devalue my opinion through that question and subsequent video flex.

That all being said, welcome to my TED talk, let's begin:

Opinions are absolutely tempered by experience or lack thereof which is why the term "educated opinion" is a thing. However, in this discussion it really can't be used to include or exclude anyone's particular opinion. Why? I'll explain...

An opinion on "morale patches" is open to anyone regardless of previous "uniform experience" because uniformed professionals represent more than just themselves. This is especially true if we are talking about government employees. If the uniform represents something bigger than the person wearing it (which is why it's a uniform) it stands to reason the individual's personal preference for what goes on that uniform for "morale" is irrelevant and inappropriate, if applied.

I guess it just boils down to this: I'm not a fan of personal "pieces of flair" on a uniformed professional who works for a local, state, or the federal government. If you have a different opinion I'm sorry we don't agree.


Not really.


In closing, remember that someone's information (or opinion) holds value or it does not, period. An appeal to authority ("...have you worn a uniform?") to support an illogical or emotional position is just plain lazy. Save that old standby argument winner for the less astute interweberz, please and thank you.



In a world full of morale patch Stans... be a Joanna.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SNEdjftno

[Totem Polar]

The only right to an opinion I have on this is as just some guy on the internet. That said, I don’t wear logos unless I’m getting compensated. I’f I’m wearing a brand icon, then I’m either an endorser, or friends with the owner (eg., numerous music companies, Ares watches, local coffee, brewery, or surf shops).

So far as the punisher, Marvel isn’t paying any of these guys, and I’m pretty sure that Stan Lee didn’t leave some 20-something SWAT cop in ‘Vegas anything in his will.

As a John Q Public member, I’d raise an eyebrow if my personal injury atty met me with a Daredevil logo on his/her suit jacket (Matt Murdock lawyer badassery aside) or my ortho surgeon met me wearing leathers with a giant bloody angel on the back.

[ffhounddog]

Double

[ffhounddog]

Puts on Internet waders

On the subject of Punisher logos & police, it’s a fundamental credibility problem. The logo stands for the failure of law and due process; so either the LEO wearing doesn’t understand the symbol or is throwing shade at their profession. Neither says good things about their judgement.

What is throwing shade mean?

[blues]

What is throwing shade mean?

To demean something or make someone or something look bad.

[ffhounddog]

I feel so white....

[Totem Polar]

I feel so white....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-3Vv1SQj0

[Rex G]

To demean something or make someone or something look bad.

This. To “throw shade” is a way to say one is casting a shadow over someone/something. The term originated among folks of African heritage.

[Clark Jackson]

This. To “throw shade” is a way to say one is casting a shadow over someone/something. The term originated among folks of African heritage.The term originated in urban gay communities but became a fairly common pop culture reference due to popular tv shows and documentaries.
Sidheshooter I'd also wear the hell out of some Ares Watch swag for some discounts on them tickers. :)


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[Totem Polar]

Sidheshooter I'd also wear the hell out of some Ares Watch swag for some discounts on them tickers. :)



Heh, I paid full pre-order pricing to support the cause, but I did get several cool t-shirts.

Oh, and a promo slot in Matt’s A RAINDROP course, back in the day, so there is that. :cool:

[Lon]

https://www.policeone.com/police-jobs-and-careers/articles/485096006-what-not-to-wear-police-officer-professional-appearance-is-much-more-than-a-uniform/?utm_source=PoliceOne+Member+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a99331f668-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_09_26_11_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ca044a84ea-a99331f668-42014523

[blues]

https://www.policeone.com/police-jobs-and-careers/articles/485096006-what-not-to-wear-police-officer-professional-appearance-is-much-more-than-a-uniform/?utm_source=PoliceOne+Member+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a99331f668-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_09_26_11_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ca044a84ea-a99331f668-42014523

Exactly why the "avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety" was a constant mantra during my years in federal L.E.

(Harder to do than to recite, however.)

[vcdgrips]

¡Spot on Blues! The Standard.

[Baldanders]

Since some folks need to show their identification with a fictional bad ass, it's too bad there's not a Dale Cooper patch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1syag_TpFNk

He'd take out the Punisher in a gunfight, no problem. With a k-frame or a 1076!

And his response to a naked underage girl in his bed? "I think you need a friend to talk to. Get your clothes on and I will get us some fries and some malts."

Gotta love Coop! Total badass meets Mr. Rogers.

[Lex Luthier]

Since some folks need to show their identification with a fictional bad ass, it's too bad there's not a Dale Cooper patch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1syag_TpFNk

He'd take out the Punisher in a gunfight, no problem. With a k-frame or a 1076!

And his response to a naked underage girl in his bed? "I think you need a friend to talk to. Get your clothes on and I will get us some fries and some malts."

Gotta love Coop! Total badass meets Mr. Rogers.


Ahem.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ebay.com/itm/Twin-Peaks-Coopers-Damn-Fine-Cup-of-Coffee-Cherry-Pie-embroidered-3-patch-/163097230347&ved=2ahUKEwj3pZjZ2_bkAhXiLX0KHaonA68QFjALegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1XrR50CNONGXEmIj-eVTCE

[Baldanders]

Ahem.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ebay.com/itm/Twin-Peaks-Coopers-Damn-Fine-Cup-of-Coffee-Cherry-Pie-embroidered-3-patch-/163097230347&ved=2ahUKEwj3pZjZ2_bkAhXiLX0KHaonA68QFjALegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1XrR50CNONGXEmIj-eVTCE

I stand corrected!

Where I can put one of those?

[BehindBlueI's]

Where I can put one of those?

https://media.giphy.com/media/lNQ3rIFZopP3y/giphy.gif

[Baldanders]

https://media.giphy.com/media/lNQ3rIFZopP3y/giphy.gif
Hey I don't have a range bag or a tac vest.

Maybe I'll put it up in my classroom. I am known for my coffee consumption.

[Stephanie B]

Since some folks need to show their identification with a fictional bad ass, it's too bad there's not a Dale Cooper patch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1syag_TpFNk

He'd take out the Punisher in a gunfight, no problem. With a k-frame or a 1076!

And his response to a naked underage girl in his bed? "I think you need a friend to talk to. Get your clothes on and I will get us some fries and some malts."

Gotta love Coop! Total badass meets Mr. Rogers.

Amazon Prime has the original series.

(Never saw it.)

[Baldanders]

Amazon Prime has the original series.

(Never saw it.)

Rewatching on Netflix now, waiting on the TV box set that has all three seasons on the 15th to finally see season three.

It's a favorite of mine, but there is a lot of filler crap in the middle of season two. Much like Lost, the creators had no idea it would get picked up as a regular series.