CZ P07 - Beretta PX4 Compact Comparison?

[Redhat]

I'm looking at these two and haven't been able to find a good in depth comparison between the two...anyone already posted anything here?

[Guerrero]

https://youtu.be/lwSL5ab5Xbk

[Brianjkeene]

I'm looking at these two and haven't been able to find a good in depth comparison between the two...anyone already posted anything here?

These are two that you absolutely have to shoot for yourself. The p07 enjoys a much larger aftermarket and holster selection than the px4.

I own a px4cc with LTT Trigger job and a CGW P07. I lean very slightly towards the p07.

[David S.]

I spent last year with the PX4 Compact based on all the love that it was getting around here.

I moved to the P-09 (full size version of the compact P-07) this year because I wanted polymer, DA/SA and a red dot.

I suppose everything I'll say is subjective, but here it goes.

-The trigger is my biggest complaint about the CZ. I've been spoiled by classic SIGs and LTT Beretta triggers. The PX4 trigger with the LTT TJIAB is superior to the P-09 with the Cajun Pro Kit. IMO, it's no contest.
-The PX4 rounded corners probably make it conceal slightly better, tho I'm not having a problem with the CZ.
-The P-09 (and I assume the P-07) fits me XL hands better. The PX4C is good, but the CZ really works well for me.
-The P-09 doesn't require an adapter plate for RDS. LTT is using a modified Glock MOS plate, IIRC.
-I like having a compact and full size gun option (P-09 and some of the metal CZ's) that are suitable for Carry Optics.

I think they're both good choices. The CZ just fits me better.

ETA: I just watched the video above. I agree with his comments, tho a stock CZ vs tuned Beretta isn't apples to apples. The stacking and grit that he mentions towards the end of the video is reduced by the Cajun Pro Grade kit, but not eliminated, at least in my two examples. If I had it to do over again, I'd have Cajun do the install because apparently polish the internals while they've got it apart.

ETA2: He mentions a first generation of the P-07. The are easily identifiable. The first gen says "DUTY" on the forward slide whereas the second gen has forward cocking serrations. Everything I've read indicates that the 2nd gen upgrades are worth having.

[Clusterfrack]

Trigger “perfection” isn’t as important as many other aspects of a gun. When pulled at speed, what effect is there in a slight lack of smoothness?

My modded Shadow2s have about as perfect as a DA/SA trigger as can be. While actually shooting, I really can’t notice much difference compared to my P-07s.

[Redhat]

Triggers aside, what do you think about other characteristics like muzzle flip, accuracy, ergonomics, location of controls...etc


I spent last year with the PX4 Compact based on all the love that it was getting around here.

I moved to the P-09 (full size version of the compact P-07) this year because I wanted polymer, DA/SA and a red dot.

I suppose everything I'll say is subjective, but here it goes.

-The trigger is my biggest complaint about the CZ. I've been spoiled by classic SIGs and LTT Beretta triggers. The PX4 trigger with the LTT TJIAB is superior to the P-09 with the Cajun Pro Kit. IMO, it's no contest.
-The PX4 rounded corners probably make it conceal slightly better, tho I'm not having a problem with the CZ.
-The P-09 (and I assume the P-07) fits me XL hands better. The PX4C is good, but the CZ really works well for me.
-The P-09 doesn't require an adapter plate for RDS. LTT is using a modified Glock MOS plate, IIRC.
-I like having a compact and full size gun option (P-09 and some of the metal CZ's) that are suitable for Carry Optics.

I think they're both good choices. The CZ just fits me better.

ETA: I just watched the video above. I agree with his comments, tho a stock CZ vs tuned Beretta isn't apples to apples. The stacking and grit that he mentions towards the end of the video is reduced by the Cajun Pro Grade kit, but not eliminated, at least in my two examples. If I had it to do over again, I'd have Cajun do the install because apparently polish the internals while they've got it apart.

ETA2: He mentions a first generation of the P-07. The are easily identifiable. The first gen says "DUTY" on the forward slide whereas the second gen has forward cocking serrations. Everything I've read indicates that the 2nd gen upgrades are worth having.

[HCM]

Triggers aside, what do you think about other characteristics like muzzle flip, accuracy, ergonomics, location of controls...etc

I’ve has two of the 9mm PX4 compacts - one I “langdonized” myself and one factory LTT. both were ok.

Triggers were decent with the LTT being better of the two. The muzzle flip / recoil impulse with the rotating barrel helps keep the gun flat. That said I have XXL hands and even with the L back strap the grip is too small and two short for me to shoot it as well as I would like at speed. I was pushing shots laterally in a way I don’t see with Beretta 92s or P228/229.

The LTT ran 100% I just had other priorities.

[TheNewbie]

The P-07 In its stock form works fine for me. The controls are easy to use, the trigger is good enough but also gives the added benefit of DA safety, and you can get an ALS holster for it.

[Wheeler]

I have a Gen 2 P07 with a spring kit and had a stock PX4 Compact. I was able to get all my fingers on the P07 grip but not on the PX4. I didn’t care for the tiny decock levers on the PX4. I found that I could run various drills that required speed, accuracy, and manipulation better with the P07 whereas drills that were purely accuracy based they were equal in my hands.

I traded the PX4 for a P250c combo 40 and 22 kit.

[Polecat]

I had both at one time. What shocked me is when I put them side by side they were almost exactly the same size! They are both nice, I kept the P07.

[David S.]

Triggers aside, what do you think about other characteristics like muzzle flip, accuracy, ergonomics, location of controls...etc

Again, my experience is with the P-09, not the P-07, so it's not apples to apples comparison.

Muzzle Flip: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the PX4 was slightly less flippy.

Accuracy. I'm sure they're very similar, but the CZ's longer sight radius might make that accuracy easier to achieve with iron sights. If you discount called flyers, I'm keeping rounds inside of 3" freestyle slow fire at 25 yards (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?12244-Freestyle-shooting-at-25-yds-revisited&p=899343&viewfull=1#post899343) with my P-09 with an RM07. I wouldn't be surprised if my examples were capable of 1.5" in the hands of a better shooter. I'd love to shoot an RMR'd PX4 for a comparison.

Sight Options. RDS is simpler to mount to the CZ. I really dig Langdon's Ameriglo sights for defensive use of the PX4. I don't think they're available for the CZ. Beyond that, both have a fairly limited selection.

The CZ is available with a threaded barrel, if that matters.

Ergos. The CZ fits MY big hands better. The P-09's beavertail prevents the slide bite I occasionally got with the PX4, H&K P30 and Glocks. It seems like there's a lot more surface area on the CZ grip, which allows me to better support hand contact. I don't think the CZ's bore axis is actually lower. . . it just looks that way because of the reversed rails. I haven't actually measured tho. The PX4 requires additional texture in the form of Talon Grips or stippling. I'm OK with the stock P-09's texture.

Location of controls. Both are great. I like the PX4's slide mounted decocker better than I though I would. The huge OE decoker levers hit my strong side thumb every time the slide cycled unless I consciously re-adjusted my grip. The Stealth levers are too flat, making decocking awkward. The LTT's Fugly levers and their replacement (https://www.langdontactical.com/px4-carry-lever-decocking-lever/) solve that problem. The P-09's factory decocker works fine for my grip. The video above mentions that you need longish thumbs to reach the CZ's slide catch lever. I must have short-ish thumbs, because I have to release the slide with my support hand.

If you buy used, smokin' deals on Langdonized PX4's pop up regularly in the Classifieds. Hardly ever with the CZ's.

If you buy new, both are going to cost about the same to get it up to speed (from my perspective).
PX4: Aftermarket sights, Talon Grips, LTT decocker levers, TJIAB.
P-07: Aftermarket sights, Ship off to Cajun or CZ Custom for trigger work.

Adding a RDS to the P-07 is half the price of the PX4.

[David S.]

Trigger “perfection” isn’t as important as many other aspects of a gun. When pulled at speed, what effect is there in a slight lack of smoothness?

You're probably right, and I don't have metrics.

I feel like I have to work harder to run the trigger well on my CZ than my PX4, even at speed. Then again, it's entirely possible I have crappy trigger control at speed, and I'm just seeing it more of that crappiness with the dot (vs PX4's short sight radius).

[s0nspark]

All of the CZs I used to own had absolutely garbage triggers out of the box. DA was rough, overly heavy, and stacked like it was notched. SA was ok but had a lot of creep and overtravel.

After the first one was Cajunized I just factored that work into the price when buying a new one.

As a comparison, the stock PX4s I've handled and shot all had triggers comparable to the tricked out CZs.

I ended up selling all of CZs as a result of the timing issues GJM brought to light last year that could cause the initial DA trigger pull falling to half cock - there may a fix for that now but it really caused me to lose confidence in CZ as a company and their guns as serious self-defense tools.

If I were going back to a TDA platform now I would only seriously consider Beretta.

[JTQ]

What shocked me is when I put them side by side they were almost exactly the same size!


I was able to get all my fingers on the P07 grip but not on the PX4.


That said I have XXL hands and even with the L back strap the grip is too small and two short for me to shoot it as well as I would like at speed.
While I suppose they are similar in size, I don't think each company is marketing these guns as competitors.

I see the CZ P07 as a duty sidearm that can be concealed and while the Beretta PX4 may be in the ball park as far as size goes, it is smaller. I don't think Beretta envisions this gun in duty holsters, though I suppose there may be some, but more as a concealment gun which is probably why folks with bigger hands have issues with it. I'd put the more natural comparison to the CZ P07 in the Beretta line-up as the PX4 full size.

[Wheeler]

While I suppose they are similar in size, I don't think each company is marketing these guns as competitors.

I see the CZ P07 as a duty sidearm that can be concealed and while the Beretta PX4 may be in the ball park as far as size goes, it is smaller. I don't think Beretta envisions this gun in duty holsters, though I suppose there may be some, but more as a concealment gun which is probably why folks with bigger hands have issues with it. I'd put the more natural comparison to the CZ P07 in the Beretta line-up as the PX4 full size.

I bound the P07 and PX4 to be of similar size. An extra 3/8" at the bottom of the grip would have done well for me to get a full three finger grip. I would compare the full size PX4 to the P09.

I also left out that I felt that CZ did an excellent job of texturing the P07/09 series pistols. I had to maintain a death grip on the PX4 to keep the gun from moving in my hands during recoil. Because I mentioned it earlier, I feel Sig did a much better job texturing the frames of their P250s than Beretta's PX4s as well.

[s0nspark]

I also left out that I felt that CZ did an excellent job of texturing the P07/09 series pistols.

I personally found both guns to be too slick for my taste - I had my P-07s stippled as a result.

I liked the stippling on the P-10C much better. Aggressive front and back, smoother on the sides.

[Clusterfrack]

All of the CZs I used to own had absolutely garbage triggers out of the box. DA was rough, overly heavy, and stacked like it was notched. SA was ok but had a lot of creep and overtravel.

I ended up selling all of CZs as a result of the timing issues GJM brought to light last year that could cause the initial DA trigger pull falling to half cock - there may a fix for that now but it really caused me to lose confidence in CZ as a company and their guns as serious self-defense tools.


Here’s a post on how to break in and lubricate a P-07 to significantly improve the trigger. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?31326-Suggestions-for-replacement-carry-piece&p=744301&viewfull=1#post744301

Let’s not revisit the “drop to half cock” issue in this thread, but I do want to say that I do not believe this is a timing issue, or that anything is wrong with the design. There is no “fix”, and no parts I have tried change the function. If you interrupt the trigger pull at the exact moment the DA sear breaks, the sear will return and catch the hammer at half cock, as a drop safety.


I have not had a single malfunction in my P-07s, and neither have my buddies. In every P-07 I have tested, I have been able to induce the gun to drop the hammer to half cock from a DA pull if I interrupt the force of the trigger pull just at the moment the DA sear breaks. I can do it by sticking my finger deep so I'm pulling the trigger with my 2nd knuckle, and so the tip of my trigger finger hits the frame at just the right moment. This is a very contrived trigger pull, and I cannot make the gun do it under any normal condition, including pinching gloves or cloth behind the trigger. Bottom line: I'm not concerned about it.

[Jared]

I really think both are good pistols based on reviews here on P-F, my own shooting experience with the PX4’s, and data from trusted sources elsewhere. I’ve never shot a P07. Every time I play with one I realize how much overlap there is with the PX4 CC and I pass. Most people seem to do some work on both types to get them where they want them. The only thing that really really concerns me about the CZ is that the bores and chambers are in the white. I’d rather they be chrome lined or some other finish to prevent corrosion in humid weather

[Clusterfrack]

The barrels are nitrided, and the chamber is polished. Still corrosion resistant.

[s0nspark]

Let’s not revisit the “drop to half cock” issue in this thread, but I do want to say that I do not believe this is a timing issue, or that anything is wrong with the design. There is no “fix”, and no parts I have tried change the function. If you interrupt the trigger pull at the exact moment the DA sear breaks, the sear will return and catch the hammer at half cock, as a drop safety.

No need to rehash but it was my understanding at the time that David @ CGW was indeed on track for a remedy.

Perhaps that never materialized.

Oh and my user of timing was more in the "if you time it wrong" sense ;-)

Regardless of how you classify it, it was just not something I could get past for carry. Not really different from why I don't carry a revolver or a 1911... Comfort level.

[Clusterfrack]

s0nspark, PM inbound.

[Jared]

The barrels are nitrided, and the chamber is polished. Still corrosion resistant.

Did not realize that, thanks for the heads up. Could have sworn I saw the info I posted on here before. Last one I looked at the chamber sure looked to be in the white, but if it was polished after intruding that makes sense too

[Cecil Burch]

I was running a P07 as my EDC for a couple of years, and then switched about a year and a half ago to the PX4.

Comparing the stock guns - PX4 trigger out of the box is far better than the CZ, and smooths out even more with some dry fire. I have a full size PX4 that has had nothing done to it (outside of installing one of the original fugly levers) and I use it as my training gun. I dry fire a lot and when a couple of shooting buddies shot it, the both said “ Ernest does a nice trigger” and I told them it’s not a Langdon. That’s how good it gets with just shooting it. The CZ had a manageable trigger but no one is going to crow about it. It does smooth out a bit with dry fire, but not to the Beretta level.

The Beretta factory sights are better for me. I find the CZ front sight too wide and there is little light on the sides when aligned with the rear.

The PX4 is definitely slippery and to a much more noticeable extent than most guns. Talons or stippling is a must. The Stock P07 for me was great with gripping. I felt I had a lot of solid control and could get more meat on the gun.

The CZ is phenomenally accurate. It is stunning how true that is. The Beretta is accurate, but not more so than the standard duty gun. Plus with the slightly longer barrel and sight radius, longer shots are a tad easier with the CZ, but that is offset somewhat with the factory crappy front sight.

Both guns are essentially the same footprint size wise, but the PX4 conceals wayyyyy better. I don’t now why, but I assume it’s the “roundness” of the gun. It conceals more like a subcompact while the CZ conceals like a G19. And both guns were carried in a Keepers holster under the same clothing so it was a direct comparison.

Going to a fixed up gun - it is slightly cheaper to get a CZ and have Cajun do their pro package and install a thinner front sight (I went fiber optic) than get a full Langdon PX4CC. But the Langdon is a definite upgrade over even the Cajunized CZ and is a better shooter, but it will end up costing you about $150 more for that performance.

That is my take on my experience with both.

[FrankB]

I have one factory PX4 CC, and one that I turned into a CC myself (minus the grey Cerakote). Both are extremely accurate when shooting fast out to 15 yards, and have little recoil. Changing the hammer spring to a WC 12# spring works miracles by itself, even with the plain PX4 Compact. I’ve shot CZ’s, but not much...

[beenalongtime]

I've only handled the P07, as I was going to buy one out of the used cabinet at my LGS and had them put it back for me, when a kid (to me), came in that called to see if they had one, that day. His job had given him a list of weapons that he could carry, unmodified, and that was a model he had fired/liked of some relatives.
I let it go to him, as to me it was going to be a range toy, to compare with my PX4's.
I really need to get one to the range for a fair comparison

I am not sure how I would like or dislike the levers, compared to the PX4, but my comparison of them and the gun is against the P01 and PCR, which I own. My thoughts are the levers were too slick, I would have to change my grip to rack the slide (as I do with my CZ's), and one thing I liked over the PX4 is the tail, where the PX4, I had to switch to the bobbed hammers, to avoid hammer bite.

[Clusterfrack]

I’ve shot PX4s, but don’t own one. Similarly, I’ve shot 92s of various types, including Wilson and LTT. I’m sure it’s because I’m so used to CZs and compete with Shadow2s, but the Berettas feel clunky and unergonomic in my hands. The P-07 shoots like a mini, lightweight S2. It just feels right to me, and is as close to the ideal CCW as I’ve found.

And the trigger in my ProGrade gun is really nice. A tiny amount of grease in the right places makes a big difference in these guns.

[Jared]

I’ve shot PX4s, but don’t own one. Similarly, I’ve shot 92s of various types, including Wilson and LTT. I’m sure it’s because I’m so used to CZs and compete with Shadow2s, but the Berettas feel clunky and unergonomic in my hands. The P-07 shoots like a mini, lightweight S2. It just feels right to me, and is as close to the ideal CCW as I’ve found.

And the trigger in my ProGrade gun is really nice. A tiny amount of grease in the right places makes a big difference in these guns.

Interesting. I guess I’m the opposite, with lots of Beretta experience and less CZ time. I tried the Shadow 2 and never could really warm up to it, mostly because I thought it was just too heavy, even for a gaming/range gun. I sold it and ran right back to the 92/PX4 stuff. I’ve been itching to give a different (lighter) CZ a try just to give the brand another fair chance. I probably should have bought the last used P07 I saw at my LGS. Had I known them what you posted earlier about the barrels, I probably would have.

[FreedomFries]

Let’s not revisit the “drop to half cock” issue in this thread, but I do want to say that I do not believe this is a timing issue, or that anything is wrong with the design. There is no “fix”, and no parts I have tried change the function. If you interrupt the trigger pull at the exact moment the DA sear breaks, the sear will return and catch the hammer at half cock, as a drop safety.

I have actually been able to get a similar thing to occur on a B92. With a Cent Tac, WC action tune with standard trigger bar, I was able to interrupt the trigger press around the hammer release and I saw it catch on the half cock position. This has never occurred on the range. Only when dry firing and purposely testing to see if I could get it to do this. I assumed most TDA pistols could exhibit some mechanical weirdness if you try to rapidly disengage the trigger press around the hammer release.

[MGW]

I was running a P07 as my EDC for a couple of years, and then switched about a year and a half ago to the PX4.

Comparing the stock guns - PX4 trigger out of the box is far better than the CZ, and smooths out even more with some dry fire. I have a full size PX4 that has had nothing done to it (outside of installing one of the original fugly levers) and I use it as my training gun. I dry fire a lot and when a couple of shooting buddies shot it, the both said “ Ernest does a nice trigger” and I told them it’s not a Langdon. That’s how good it gets with just shooting it. The CZ had a manageable trigger but no one is going to crow about it. It does smooth out a bit with dry fire, but not to the Beretta level.

The Beretta factory sights are better for me. I find the CZ front sight too wide and there is little light on the sides when aligned with the rear.

The PX4 is definitely slippery and to a much more noticeable extent than most guns. Talons or stippling is a must. The Stock P07 for me was great with gripping. I felt I had a lot of solid control and could get more meat on the gun.

The CZ is phenomenally accurate. It is stunning how true that is. The Beretta is accurate, but not more so than the standard duty gun. Plus with the slightly longer barrel and sight radius, longer shots are a tad easier with the CZ, but that is offset somewhat with the factory crappy front sight.

Both guns are essentially the same footprint size wise, but the PX4 conceals wayyyyy better. I don’t now why, but I assume it’s the “roundness” of the gun. It conceals more like a subcompact while the CZ conceals like a G19. And both guns were carried in a Keepers holster under the same clothing so it was a direct comparison.

Going to a fixed up gun - it is slightly cheaper to get a CZ and have Cajun do their pro package and install a thinner front sight (I went fiber optic) than get a full Langdon PX4CC. But the Langdon is a definite upgrade over even the Cajunized CZ and is a better shooter, but it will end up costing you about $150 more for that performance.

That is my take on my experience with both.

Cecil did you carry a P2000 at one time? Could you compare it to the PX4 and P07 if you did?

[Redhat]

Thanks for all the replies. Generally, the only things I change on handguns are sights or with polymer frames, I'll add some type of stick on grips. Triggers I leave as is.

Seems like the PX4 trigger is pretty much considered better than the CZ's out of the box but the importance of that is usually subjective from person to person, so unless it's unusable, it might not be the deciding factor for me. Reliability, shooting characteristics, accuracy and placement of controls are top priorities for me followed by concealment. I like that the CZ comes with controls that are already lower in profile while still being functional. The basic PX4, as has been mentioned, does not and that's a consideration. Another is barrel length. For it's size, the barrel on the PX4 seems quite short at 3.2" vs the CZ at 3.75 while both are close in height.

[JTQ]

Another is barrel length. For it's size, the barrel on the PX4 seems quite short at 3.2" vs the CZ at 3.75 while both are close in height.
While other's have disagreed, I still believe they are marketed for different uses.

The Beretta barrel is so sort because it is designed as a concealment gun and not a duty gun. Conversely, the CZ P07 was originally named the CZ P07 "Duty".

[Polecat]

Put them side by side and the slide are almost identical size wise. The P07 as about a 1/2” from its beavertail.

[Greg]

I've had 2 CZ P-07s for a few years and I think you have to shoot them to appreciate them. They don't wow you when fiddling with them and slowly dry firing them.

Another option that gets overlooked is the Sig SP 2022, These work better for those with small to medium hands but the triggers are better than the CZs and probably rival the Beretta.

[GJM]

I have two Langdon PX4 compacts, and have/had several full size in 9 and 40. I probably still have a half dozen P07 pistols, in stock and Cajun trim, from when I was competing with a P09.

I think both types are very good. The main drawbacks to the PX4 C for me, are the very short barrel length for its size, and no easy optics capability. I think CZ has made a major commitment to the P10 series in polymer, and that is where their effort is. This is reflected in mods that improved the P10C, introduction of different size P10 models, and optics ready capability.

From a value and capability perspective, an optics ready P10, in F/C/S trim, for just over $500 with excellent sights, excellent texture and a very shootable trigger is hard to beat.

[Redhat]

I have two Langdon PX4 compacts, and have/had several full size in 9 and 40. I probably still have a half dozen P07 pistols, in stock and Cajun trim, from when I was competing with a P09.

I think both types are very good. The main drawbacks to the PX4 C for me, are the very short barrel length for its size, and no easy optics capability. I think CZ has made a major commitment to the P10 series in polymer, and that is where their effort is. This is reflected in mods that improved the P10C, introduction of different size P10 models, and optics ready capability.

From a value and capability perspective, an optics ready P10, in F/C/S trim, for just over $500 with excellent sights, excellent texture and a very shootable trigger is hard to beat.

Only problem I have with the P10 is it's a striker gun instead of a DA/SA hammer gun, which is what I'm looking for.:D

[Redhat]

I've had 2 CZ P-07s for a few years and I think you have to shoot them to appreciate them. They don't wow you when fiddling with them and slowly dry firing them.

Another option that gets overlooked is the Sig SP 2022, These work better for those with small to medium hands but the triggers are better than the CZs and probably rival the Beretta.

I agree on this. My hunting rifle is a CZ 550 purchased back in '03. Never even heard of one before then and it is a shooter! I also owned a 75B /.40 and it was very accurate.

[Clusterfrack]

I've had 2 CZ P-07s for a few years and I think you have to shoot them to appreciate them. They don't wow you when fiddling with them and slowly dry firing them.

I had few more thoughts today about why I like the P-07 so much.

The P-07 is mechanically simple, and detail stripping is easier than any other TDA I've worked on. It really is the Glock 19 of TDAs.

It functions well while contaminated with dirt, dust, sand, and crud. I was concerned that reliability in the field wouldn't be as good as a Glock, but so far so good.

It's hard to know whether this is just my familiarity with CZs, but I shoot the P-07 measurably better than any other carry gun I've tried. For example, today the slide stop on my practice Shadow2 finally broke (after >35000 rounds). I had a spare SS, but that turned out to be the wrong part, so I shot my ProGrade P-07 the rest of the time. My times and scores on the drills I set up weren’t that different from when I shot them with my S2. It gives me confidence to shoot that close to my competition level with my carry gun.

[45dotACP]

Another option that gets overlooked is the Sig SP 2022, These work better for those with small to medium hands but the triggers are better than the CZs and probably rival the Beretta.

There's one hanging out unloved at the LGS for something around 400 bucks. The .40 caliber 2340 my brother has is a very accurate pistol and I'd agree that the trigger is as good as or better than any Beretta I've fired.

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[Jared]

Redhat, I don’t mean to hijack your thread but I’d rather just add a question here than start another thread, so forgive me.

Clusterfrack, if I decide to try the CZ world again, what do you recommend between these options: one is a used 75Bthats been sitting at a lye long enough I could probably get a good deal on it, the other option would be the P07. The used 75B is in great shape, I’d guess 100 rounds tops through it. Get both is probably not realistic right now. As I stated above, my gripe with the Shadow 2 was the weight. I want something lighter if I try this again

[awp_101]

I've had both and find the CZ controls easier to use with my smedium-ish hands. I can't really think of a reason why I parted with the CZ though. Probably got a case of wantsies for something else and the 07 got the best trade in offer from the LGS I haunt.

[TheNewbie]

I've had both and find the CZ controls easier to use with my smedium-ish hands. I can't really think of a reason why I parted with the CZ though. Probably got a case of wantsies for something else and the 07 got the best trade in offer from the LGS I haunt.

The P-07 is the only gun more boring to me than a Glock. However, it works well and is both safe and easy to shoot. Plus they seem to b extremely reliable.

I would like to see CZ do a full line of their take on a DAO trigger in a P-07 type gun, as well a single stack smaller P-07.

[awp_101]

I would like to see CZ do ... a single stack smaller P-07.
I would seriously consider parting with one of my "never ever gonna sell, uh-uh, no way!" firearms for that...

[Clusterfrack]

Good question. If this is for a range gun, it doesn't really matter. Get what you like best, and what you can afford. But if its for a carry gun, you probably want one with a decocker. Here are the options, and they're all good guns.

CZ 75 Compact: steel frame, 32oz, on the heavy side for a CCW.
CZ P-01: Aluminum frame, 28 oz.
CZ 75 PCR: Aluminum frame, 27 oz. Very popular CCW option.
P-07: Polymer frame, 27 oz.

I prefer the P-07 for multiple reasons: 1) simpler, more modern action. 2) replaceable steel inserts in polymer frame should in theory be more durable than an aluminum frame. 3) ergonomically superior IMO, 4) better action out-of-the-box (but requires break-in and lube job to achieve), 5) uses relatively inexpensive P-10c mags. 6) less expensive.

However, cheby carries a P-01 with a CZC action job and it's really nice. Also, for no good reason I have a hard-on for the subcompact Rami.

If the used gun has had any gunsmithing done on it, I would avoid it. People do some seriously retarded things to CZs to try to make the action "better".

Hope this helps.


[MENTION=7807]Clusterfrack, if I decide to try the CZ world again, what do you recommend between these options: one is a used 75Bthats been sitting at a lye long enough I could probably get a good deal on it, the other option would be the P07. The used 75B is in great shape, I’d guess 100 rounds tops through it. Get both is probably not realistic right now. As I stated above, my gripe with the Shadow 2 was the weight. I want something lighter if I try this again

[Jared]

Good question. If this is for a range gun, it doesn't really matter. Get what you like best, and what you can afford. But if its for a carry gun, you probably want one with a decocker. Here are the options, and they're all good guns.

CZ 75 Compact: steel frame, 32oz, on the heavy side for a CCW.
CZ P-01: Aluminum frame, 28 oz.
CZ 75 PCR: Aluminum frame, 27 oz. Very popular CCW option.
P-07: Polymer frame, 27 oz.

I prefer the P-07 for multiple reasons: 1) simpler, more modern action. 2) replaceable steel inserts in polymer frame should in theory be more durable than an aluminum frame. 3) ergonomically superior IMO, 4) better action out-of-the-box (but requires break-in and lube job to achieve), 5) uses relatively inexpensive P-10c mags. 6) less expensive.

However, cheby carries a P-01 with a CZC action job and it's really nice. Also, for no good reason I have a hard-on for the subcompact Rami.

If the used gun has had any gunsmithing done on it, I would avoid it. People do some seriously retarded things to CZs to try to make the action "better".

Hope this helps.

Very helpful, thank you. The used 75B hasn’t been gunsmithed that I can discern. It seems like a dude bought it, shot a box or two, decided it wasn’t for him and traded it in.

The decocker setup overall makes me lean to the P07 in general. That and some of the other modern refinements.

[Cecil Burch]

Cecil did you carry a P2000 at one time? Could you compare it to the PX4 and P07 if you did?

Yes, I ran a P2000 for about two years prior to the CZ.

Hmm. It conceals like the CZ, and the factory sights are comparable to the Beretta. I ran the standard LEM trigger so I don’t want to compare the triggers since it’s a bit apples and oranges. For accuracy and control and ergonomics, I’d say it was not as ergonomic as the CZ and way less than the PX4, but still it was solid, accuracy on par with the Beretta, and the recoil impulse felt like the CZ (that was one thing I left out of the prior post - the PX4 is hands down the flattest shooting gun I have ever shot, by a wide margin. It’s weird how true that is)

Overall, between the three, my carry choice timeline should tell you what I think, but I would have exactly zero issues with running any of them if I was forced to. All three are great choices.

[Cecil Burch]

The P-07 is mechanically simple, and detail stripping is easier than any other TDA I've worked on. It really is the Glock 19 of TDAs.

It functions well while contaminated with dirt, dust, sand, and crud. I was concerned that reliability in the field wouldn't be as good as a Glock, but so far so good.




100% agreed. It’s as simple as that kind of mechanism can get. That was a strong factor when I originally went to it

[Redhat]

I had few more thoughts today about why I like the P-07 so much.

The P-07 is mechanically simple, and detail stripping is easier than any other TDA I've worked on. It really is the Glock 19 of TDAs.
...

Since you've done some detail disassembly, would you explain how (mechanically) the decocker works internally?

[MasterBlaster]

Anyone carrying the P07 appendix? I love the PX4, but find it a tad too chunky to carry appendix. I can pull it off, but a Glock is far more comfortable and concealable. Stats-wise, the P07 is about the same width as the PX4, so I'm wondering how it compares.

[Clusterfrack]

Anyone carrying the P07 appendix? I love the PX4, but find it a tad too chunky to carry appendix. I can pull it off, but a Glock is far more comfortable and concealable. Stats-wise, the P07 is about the same width as the PX4, so I'm wondering how it compares.

It carries great. I’ve taken 14 mile hikes over rugged terrain with it AIWB. It carries like a G19.

JMCK AIWB 2.5.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190706/eb4d68a85bff804bc2e90f79fd58b78b.jpg

[1911Nut]

I should know this, but what belt is shown in the photo of the P07 carried AIWB?

[Clusterfrack]

I should know this, but what belt is shown in the photo of the P07 carried AIWB?

Graith!

[1911Nut]

Thanks!

[Clusterfrack]

Since you've done some detail disassembly, would you explain how (mechanically) the decocker works internally?

Will get to this soon. Father in law is visiting. Serenity now!!!

[Clusterfrack]

Since you've done some detail disassembly, would you explain how (mechanically) the decocker works internally?

Decocker lowers the trigger bar, releasing the SA sear, but catching the disco to lower the hammer in a controlled way onto the half cock notch. Because the trigger bar goes down not back, the sear is not held back as during SA firing. Note that the lifter does not move up, so the FP safety is still engaged during this process. The lever can also be used to move the hammer back from full down to half cock.

It’s a clever design, especially given the ability to swap the decocker for a thumb safety.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190706/987e2f74d1d76ea2a5f38a9f2c97f8d0.jpg

Here is a CAD animation of the action, but not showing decocking.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190706/84c184989e9cfd252087deb69fb9b92f.gif

[Redhat]

Resetting the hammer from forward to half cock is a nifty trick. I was very interested in how the dealt with taking the firing pin out of danger while the hammer is lowered. To date, I think the Beretta 92FS design is the best I've seen, but it sounds like CZ has an equally good approach.

Thanks for the post

[Mjolnir]

Nothing technical to add but I can say I’ve tried Glock 19s, P2000s, P30s, VP9s and I always find myself LOVING to carry the P-07 CGW.

Occasionally, you’ll find a P-07 with a relatively non-stacking double action trigger and when I do I ask to see the target that comes with the pistol. If it’s nice she comes home.

You can purchase the Pro Grade parts and just install them with the heavy sear spring and 18 lb mainspring if you carry and usually, you’ll be happy.

Send one to CGW and you’ll be tearing into the one you did with a Dremel, Flitz and soft cotton wheels to polish all surfaces. You can get close.

I’ll try the Shadow 2 Trigger Return Spring as I have a P-09 with a SA pull that seems “too light”. Yeah, I know the sear spring controls that but the DA pull was fine OEM as was the SA so that change may make it just about perfect.

On the CZ FORUM there is a thread from “smecky” (CGW) where he discloses all that they do with clear photos.

I turned it into a .pdf

I anyone would like it just PM means I’ll gladly share.

I’ve sold P226, P30 and my sole hammer fired HK - the P2000 LEM (with TLG Spring set-up) is on the bubble as I’ve been shooting the P-07 and I’m of the opinion “there can only be one” DA pistol and I think CZ has it. In fact, I know they do.


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[miller_man]

Anyone carrying the P07 appendix? I love the PX4, but find it a tad too chunky to carry appendix. I can pull it off, but a Glock is far more comfortable and concealable. Stats-wise, the P07 is about the same width as the PX4, so I'm wondering how it compares.

Carry a p-07 AIWB also. The levers being larger and the holster being molded around them does make it a little bit thicker than a glock, but nothing I can really say that has been terribly noticeable. Carried a G19/34 AIWB for a few years before the CZ. I definitely wouldn't consider the p-series near thin though.

[rm06]

My P07 is my most carried. I did not like the right side decocker so I had a gunsmith grind it into a disk as it would hang up on my index knuckle of my right hand, it is much easier an more comfortable to operate this way for me. I changed out the front sight for FO and also had the rear opened up and serrated.

I went to Cabela's a number of years ago to burn up my Club Points, fully intending to get a PX4 Compact and left with the P07. My buddy has the PX4 Compact which I still really like and it an excellent pistol and very similar to the P07 but the ability to run a light on the P07 is ultimately why I made the decision to go with it.

https://image.ibb.co/cuT1Tz/1.jpg

[David S.]

I did not like the right side decocker so I had a gunsmith grind it into a disk as it would hang up on my index knuckle of my right hand, it is much easier an more comfortable to operate this way for me.

I don't have that problem, but I really dig the ingenuity.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I carried an original P-07 Duty in 9mm for upwards of a year straight AIWB using a cheap thin leather High Noon Upper Cut holster. I lived in the desert at the time so t-shirts were the norm for dress most of the year, had no problems with concealment on my small frame... actually best AIWB I've ever used.

My P-07 Duty was Canadian complaint model that has an extended (NOT threaded barrel) and factory night sights. It featured the old style frame with different type of polymer and no backstops removable. I did not care for the frame polymer they used, they are much more durable now... I had a large chip come off the beavertail tip on mine (which was pointier also compared to new models).

I also had a problem with rust in the rifling, possibly my fault... was not taking good care of it. CZ-USA fixed that for me free of charge, the upper finish back then was parkerizing (which I now understand needs to be constantly oiled for corrosion resistance). I am glad now that they.are using nitriding, as it is much better suited to this application IMO.

The trigger on mine was the old hooked style, which was to my memory quite a nice trigger pull both DA/SA. There was not stacking present and felt fairly light DA (maybe 9 pounds or so). The grip ergonomics were superb, I have smaller hands and handled quite a few double stack pistols and this one worked the best for me at the time. It also worked quite well for my wife.

This thread is making me reconsider getting a new P-07 for carry, especially if the decock mechanism is as good of a design as depicted here. CZ has basically fixed all my gripes about the pistol by the time they released the P-09 and upgraded the P-07 to reflect all that went into improving the Duty Series for the P-09.

jThat being said, I can't help but wonder are the issues Clusterfrack describes being able to reproduce actually the same as what GJM was having?

[ralph]

I carried an original P-07 Duty in 9mm for upwards of a year straight AIWB using a cheap thin leather High Noon Upper Cut holster. I lived in the desert at the time so t-shirts were the norm for dress most of the year, had no problems with concealment on my small frame... actually best AIWB I've ever used.

My P-07 Duty was Canadian complaint model that has an extended (NOT threaded barrel) and factory night sights. It featured the old style frame with different type of polymer and no backstops removable. I did not care for the frame polymer they used, they are much more durable now... I had a large chip come off the beavertail tip on mine (which was pointier also compared to new models).

I also had a problem with rust in the rifling, possibly my fault... was not taking good care of it. CZ-USA fixed that for me free of charge, the upper finish back then was parkerizing (which I now understand needs to be constantly oiled for corrosion resistance). I am glad now that they.are using nitriding, as it is much better suited to this application IMO.

The trigger on mine was the old hooked style, which was to my memory quite a nice trigger pull both DA/SA. There was not stacking present and felt fairly light DA (maybe 9 pounds or so). The grip ergonomics were superb, I have smaller hands and handled quite a few double stack pistols and this one worked the best for me at the time. It also worked quite well for my wife.

This thread is making me reconsider getting a new P-07 for carry, especially if the decock mechanism is as good of a design as depicted here. CZ has basically fixed all my gripes about the pistol by the time they released the P-09 and upgraded the P-07 to reflect all that went into improving the Duty Series for the P-09.

jThat being said, I can't help but wonder are the issues Clusterfrack describes being able to reproduce actually the same as what GJM was having?

If you're talking about the hammer dropping to half cock,I think the issue is one and the same, but I'll add this..some people can make these pistols do this on demand, others like myself, tried, but all I got was some sore fingers to show for it. Is it an issue? I don't think it really is, because by now if it was a problem, it'd be all over the internet, CGW also sell some replacement parts they made to correct the issue should it arise. I would'nt worry about it.. I've yet to be able to make my example do this, maybe I'm not doing it right..

[miller_man]

If you're talking about the hammer dropping to half cock,I think the issue is one and the same, but I'll add this..some people can make these pistols do this on demand, others like myself, tried, but all I got was some sore fingers to show for it. Is it an issue? I don't think it really is, because by now if it was a problem, it'd be all over the internet, CGW also sell some replacement parts they made to correct the issue should it arise. I would'nt worry about it.. I've yet to be able to make my example do this, maybe I'm not doing it right..

Out of now 4 of my p-series pistols, I have one that I could make it happen with - also with MUCH trying and special focus on doing things just right. But mostly I got the super sore finger tip as well.

I am now getting pretty close to 20k through 3 of the pistols, plus probably ~5k in 22lr with the 1 pistol that can drop to half cock. I have never, ever had the issue happen in all the rounds sent downrange - plus never had it happen in 10x that amount of trigger presses in dry fire.

I am more than confident that for myself, pulling the trigger DA it will go bang.


I heard and read that CGW was making some part(s) to address it - but I've looked on their website a few times and never seen any such part listed.

[Clusterfrack]

Agree.

I've done a deep dive into this, including testing multiple guns with and without every aftermarket part available, and studying the design and function of the action. It's worth noting that the results of my testing are not consistent with some of the explanations from CGW. https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99531.msg767819#msg767819

I cannot cause a drop to half cock by lateral pressure on the trigger or by holding the gun upside down. I can always cause it by interrupting the trigger pull just as the DA sear is about to break. From my understanding of the action, I don't see how this could NOT happen. If it didn't, the gun wouldn't have a functional hammer drop safety.

I can do it quite easily (but painfully) by pulling the trigger with my 2nd knuckle and hitting or pinching the tip to interrupt the trigger just as the DA sear breaks. But it's such a weird way to pull the trigger that it is near the very bottom of my concerns about my guns working in a life safety situation. I’ve tried to make it happen with gloves, deep finger pull, a bunch of ways, and just can’t without a very contrived hand position.

On the other hand, someone with very long fingers, big hands, and a deep-finger trigger pull? And obviously GJMs experience makes it a poor choice for him.

[David S.]

In a year or so, once the Trijicon SRO becomes vetted, I may replace the RMR on one of my P-09’s and moving it to my PX4C. That would give me a gamer P-09, a primary carry P-09, a compact option PX4C and a 642 for my sub compact.

[GJM]

Agree.

I've done a deep dive into this, including testing multiple guns with and without every aftermarket part available, and studying the design and function of the action. It's worth noting that the results of my testing are not consistent with some of the explanations from CGW. https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99531.msg767819#msg767819

I cannot cause a drop to half cock by lateral pressure on the trigger or by holding the gun upside down. I can always cause it by interrupting the trigger pull just as the DA sear is about to break. From my understanding of the action, I don't see how this could NOT happen. If it didn't, the gun wouldn't have a functional hammer drop safety.

I can do it quite easily (but painfully) by pulling the trigger with my 2nd knuckle and hitting or pinching the tip to interrupt the trigger just as the DA sear breaks. But it's such a weird way to pull the trigger that it is near the very bottom of my concerns about my guns working in a life safety situation. I’ve tried to make it happen with gloves, deep finger pull, a bunch of ways, and just can’t without a very contrived hand position.

On the other hand, someone with very long fingers, big hands, and a deep-finger trigger pull? And obviously GJMs experience makes it a poor choice for him.

I have size Large palms, with longer fingers that force me into XL gloves.

[Redhat]

Thanks to everyone for all the information.

I made my decision and went with the CZ...now I just have to wait until my LGS gets it in.

The deciding factor was that "out of the box", I think I'll have less to do on the CZ.

[Super77]

Trigger “perfection” isn’t as important as many other aspects of a gun. When pulled at speed, what effect is there in a slight lack of smoothness?

My modded Shadow2s have about as perfect as a DA/SA trigger as can be. While actually shooting, I really can’t notice much difference compared to my P-07s.

As a sidebar, what are the recommended mods to a Shadow 2 trigger?

[Clusterfrack]

As a sidebar, what are the recommended mods to a Shadow 2 trigger?

CZ Shadow 2 Parts (Cajun Gun Works)
11.5# or 8.5# Hammer spring
Reduced power firing pin spring
Extended firing pin
Reduced power trigger return spring
CGW floating trigger pin

Optional: CGW reduced reach short reset trigger kit

[Redhat]

So now that my decision is made, anyone have good options for sights and extra magazines?

I've heard that P10C mags work in the P07.

[Clusterfrack]

So now that my decision is made, anyone have good options for sights and extra magazines?

I've heard that P10C mags work in the P07.

I like Night Fision sights quite a bit. My only complaint is they hit about 4" high at 25 yds if you use a center hold.
https://www.nightfision.com/product/night-fision-perfect-dot-tritium-night-sights-for-cz-usa

P10C mags work perfectly, but they have a slightly thicker baseplate so you will probably want to carry the OEM mags for best concealment.
https://www.themagshack.com/shop/cz-p-10-c-9mm-15-round-magazine/

[Redhat]

I like Night Fision sights quite a bit. My only complaint is they hit about 4" high at 25 yds if you use a center hold.
https://www.nightfision.com/product/night-fision-perfect-dot-tritium-night-sights-for-cz-usa

P10C mags work perfectly, but they have a slightly thicker baseplate so you will probably want to carry the OEM mags for best concealment.
https://www.themagshack.com/shop/cz-p-10-c-9mm-15-round-magazine/

Okay thanks.

Is it true CZ discontinued P07 specific mags and just went with the P10c mag for both guns? I couldn't find any info on their web site.

[Clusterfrack]

Okay thanks.

Is it true CZ discontinued P07 specific mags and just went with the P10c mag for both guns? I couldn't find any info on their web site.

That looks like it may be the case. CGW lists them as the same item. That's kind of a bummer. I wonder if someone makes slim, flush P-07 baseplates for these mags? I'll talk to my buds at Springer.
https://cajungunworks.com/product/11520-cz-p10c-15-round-magazine/

[TheNewbie]

Any ideas for a quick ship holster for the P-07?

I am trying to take a class August 10th, and want a OWB holster for it.


Picked up another P-07 (going back to it for my main gun because of shootability and increased safety of DA/SA), but it will take a bit for the ALS holster to get here.

[David S.]

Any ideas for a quick ship holster for the P-07?

I am trying to take a class August 10th, and want a OWB holster for it.


Picked up another P-07 (going back to it for my main gun because of shootability and increased safety of DA/SA), but it will take a bit for the ALS holster to get here.

Amazon: Comp-Tac International - P-07/-09 (https://www.amazon.com/Comp-Tac-International-P-07-Right-Black/dp/B01MZ6UY9S/)

[claymore504]

I think you made a great choice with the P07. I do not own a PX4, but I fired a full size a couple years ago. I did not get enough time with it to really get a feel for it. I think they are solid guns though. I finally came across a used PX4 Compact 9 at my LGS. Handled it some and the trigger being stock, was pretty dang good. However, I am sticking with the P07. I get my CZ handguns through the LE/MIL program for a great price. Then I only add a few CGW parts, so my total cost is not much at all. Adding up the parts I would have added to the PX4 Compact would have been much more.

One thing I do like about the Beretta PX4 line is you can get the majority of parts for it from Beretta. I really like that about Beretta in general. Now that you will have a P07 you should check out the P09. I have 2 and they are just amazing. Recoil impulse is very soft and flat!

For sights I run the stock CZ night sights on my P07 and P09s. However, I agree that Night Fision is an excellent option. I know you said you are taking a class soon. The P07 really smooths out with rounds, so get some dry fire in. Be sure to use snap caps or an oring in fromt of the hammer. The stock firing pin retaining pin gets damaged with dry fire without taking these measures.


My carry CZ P07:
https://i.imgur.com/ksOsSRX.jpg

My P09 on far right. I now have an OD green one as well:
https://i.imgur.com/L9dJ0qb.jpg?1

[Clusterfrack]

Here’s a post on how to break in and lubricate a P-07 to significantly improve the trigger. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?31326-Suggestions-for-replacement-carry-piece&p=744301&viewfull=1#post744301

Additionally:
-Apply some Lucas marine grease (or Lucas Extreme Gun grease) to the sear & hammer surfaces, and blow in with canned air. This alone can make a huge difference.

-The smoothness of the SA pull depends in part on fitting and lubrication of the sear spring. A bit of grease helps a lot. Also make sure the open end of the spring is facing left when looking from the muzzle end of the gun. Put a tiny dab of grease in the sear spring hole. This smooths the SA pull. You do not have to disassemble the lower to do this. You can see the spring and the hole when the slide is removed. Put some grease in there and blow it in with canned air.


And, I like Tractiongrips rubber decal overlays a whole lot. Mine have stayed on for 2 years of sweat, rain, and hard use. $10 on Amazon. Hard to beat that.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01312ZRJ2/

[Jared]

Clusterfrack,

You convinced me. I now own a P07 and a P09. I’m going to give them a chance, maybe in a year or so I’ll post up a comparison of the PX4 compact and full-size vs these two CZ’s

I’m starting out with some steady dry firing and lube on the P07 to get the trigger break in under way.

[Clusterfrack]

Glad to hear it Jared. Don’t forget to use an earplug or O-ring to protect the FP pin during dryfire.

[Jared]

Glad to hear it Jared. Don’t forget to use an earplug or O-ring to protect the FP pin during dryfire.

Been using half of a green foam plug for now. Probably gonna go to the auto parts store for the more elegant o-ring solution this weekend

[Redhat]

Some years back when I bought my CZ75B, they included a pack of small rubber inserts for dry firing with the pistol. I guess they don't anymore?

[claymore504]

Okay thanks.

Is it true CZ discontinued P07 specific mags and just went with the P10c mag for both guns? I couldn't find any info on their web site.

I asked CZ directly on this and it looks like they have. They told me the P10 mag base plates do not line up perfectly with the grip of the P07. I ordered some and they just barely stick out past the grip on the front strap. Not an issue.

[Redhat]

I asked CZ directly on this and it looks like they have. They told me the P10 mag base plates do not line up perfectly with the grip of the P07. I ordered some and they just barely stick out past the grip on the front strap. Not an issue.

Are they thicker top to bottom or just slightly longer front to back? I wonder if CZ will sell just the P07 base plates and if they will fit the P10C magazine tubes...or are we just stuck with the P10C magazines overall?

Got a comparison photo?

[claymore504]

Here you go Redhat. They are a little thicker, so they profile with the front strap a little different than the original P07 mags.


Original Mag that came with my P07 on right and P10C mag I just got direct from CZ yesterday on the left:
https://i.imgur.com/rIdNpm1.jpg?1

Original P07 Mag:
https://i.imgur.com/qbawAhb.jpg?1

New P10C Mag:
https://i.imgur.com/WNmGBJV.jpg?1

Original P07 Mag:
https://i.imgur.com/vNhJZoV.jpg?2

New P10C Mag:
https://i.imgur.com/Bk2luve.jpg?1

[Redhat]

Thanks for the pics. I must admit I am slightly annoyed with what CZ has done there...mainly due to the price. Maybe future mods of the P07 could have the mag well cut like the P10C.

[claymore504]

Thanks for the pics. I must admit I am slightly annoyed with what CZ has done there...mainly due to the price. Maybe future mods of the P07 could have the mag well cut like the P10C.

it is a little annoying for sure. I am guessing it is a cost saver and would also guess it is due to the P10 series selling more than the P07/P09 series. However, I do not even notice it when shooting. The one thing I wish the P07 and P09 did have is cut outs on the sides of the grip in order to pull out mags.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Thanks for the pics. I must admit I am slightly annoyed with what CZ has done there...mainly due to the price. Maybe future mods of the P07 could have the mag well cut like the P10C.P10 magazines are cheaper than P07/P09 magazines. So no complaints from me

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

P10 magazines are cheaper than P07/P09 magazines. So no complaints from me

Ditto, I actually like the looks of the longer baseplate for clearing FTE where you have to rip out the magazine

[Mjolnir]

Thanks for the pics. I must admit I am slightly annoyed with what CZ has done there...mainly due to the price. Maybe future mods of the P07 could have the mag well cut like the P10C.

Why not give me the exact same grip as the P-10C??

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[claymore504]

For those that are interested it looks like CZ is closing out the +2 P07 specific mag base plate at the CZ USA store website for $4 each.

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/545900000078_Plastic-Magazine-2-Base-Pad-P07

[Redhat]

I finally got the P07 today but only had time to give it a cursory look. One thing for sure, if the gun works well and I decide to keep it, the factory sights have to go.

Also, while checking out the owner's manual, I noticed they didn't include assembly or function check procedures. While not a huge deal for me, I feel those items should be covered.

[TheNewbie]

Amazon: Comp-Tac International - P-07/-09 (https://www.amazon.com/Comp-Tac-International-P-07-Right-Black/dp/B01MZ6UY9S/)


Is that a right handed holster?

[David S.]

Is that a right handed holster?

Image appears to be righty and I imagine RSC is Right Side Carry.

Seems like a safe bet. ;)

[TheNewbie]

Image appears to be righty and I imagine RSC is Right Side Carry.

Seems like a safe bet. ;)


DUH :p lol


Can I blame it on more foot patrol in the heat?