DotW 27: AMRAP from the Draw

[ToddG]

Please read the rules (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1837-Drill-of-the-Week) before participating in this thread.

Week 27: AMRAP from the Draw
results may be posted until 11:59pm EST on Monday 9-April-2012.

Range: 7yd
Target: 8" circle
Start position: holstered
Rounds fired: varies

This is another AMRAP (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3577-DotW-25-AMRAP-Burst-from-Ready&p=60326&viewfull=1#post60326) drill. "AMRAP" means As Many Rounds As Possible.

First, establish a baseline. Time yourself drawing and firing three hits on an 8" circle at seven yards. For the AMRAP par time, round up to the next highest half second. So e.g. if you scored 2.15 seconds, your par for this drill will be 2.5 seconds.

Next, using that par time, draw and hit the target as many times as you can in the allotted time. After each run, check the target and the timer to make sure you know how many actual hits you scored within the time limit.

Starting position is holstered. Whether you use an open holster, retention holster, or concealed holster is up to you. Just be consistent and start the same way each time. If you cannot draw from a holster at your range, simply indicate what starting position you used.

You'll repeat the drill a total of ten times. With each repetition, try to push yourself a little bit harder to make just one more hit.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Starting position (open, concealed, or retention)
Number of shots fired and number of hits for each rep



Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[ChrisG]

G19 from concealment (Shaggy under t-shirt and hoodie):
Par time: 4.50 (4.48 baseline run)
1: 6 shots 5 hits
2: 8/5
3: 8/7 (9th shot at 4.51)
4: 7/6
5: 6/4
6: 5/5
7: 6/5
8: 5/5
9: 8/7 (9th shot at 4.52)
10: 8/7

Shot on indoor range. Reviewed each string on timer to exclude neighbors' shots but their may be some errors.
Shot this immediately after Dot Torture, which may have contributed to my glacial baseline. Should have warmed up with some faster drills in between.

[jthhapkido]

Start Position: G17 from a Bladetech DOH in a standard USPSA Production rig.
Draw, 3 careful shots: 1.28, .34, .33 = 1.95---so, PAR set at 2.00

1: 1.24, .22, .36, .20, 4 shots 3 hits (1 OT) = 3 hits
2: 1.20 , .23, .22, .18, .22 5s 3h (1 OT) = 3 hits
3: 1.25, .25, .25, .21, .20 5s 4h (1 OT) = 4 hits
4: 1.21, .26, .22, .22, .18 5s 5h (1 OT) = 4 hits
5: 1.18, .24, .21, .41 4s 3h (1 OT) = 3 hits
6: 1.30, .24, .20, .17 4s 3h = 3 hits
7: 1.22, .23, .22, .20, .20 5s 5h (1 OT) = 4 hits
8: 1.10, .23, .19, .17, .15 5s 5h = 5 hits (never thought I'd see myself doing a .15 split with a Glock)
9: 1.00, .20, .22, .19, .21 5s 2h = 2 hits (no, not rushing there at all)
10: 1.05, .21, .30, .19, .16 5s 4h = 4 hits

Just because I was curious, I went back, told myself to get 4 good solid hits in 2.00 seconds---and it was easy. Took my time--didn't rush or try to "shoot fast" at all.
1.22, .28, .21, .22 4s 4h
1.19, .29, .25, .25 4s 4h
...had all the time in the world for those shots. Which was amusing since runs 1, 5, and 6 each only had four shots, with only 3 scoring hits. But after running all 10 attempts, putting four into the circle in the par time was simple.

Who'da thunk it? Drills actually work. :)

[CCT125US]

HK P30 V3 from modified C&D under a T-shirt

2.24 1.64 .32 .28
PAR set at 2.5
S1: 4
S2: 4/5 shot over par
S3: 4/5 shot over par
S4: 3/5 trying to go too fast and short stroked the trigger, had to take a step forward because the "recoil tripod" did not engage properly
S5: 5/5 2.48-1.50 .25 .26 .22 .25
S6: 5/5 2.47-1.51 .23 .25 .23 .25
S7: 4/5 shot over par
S8: 5
S9: 4/5 shot over par
S10: 5/5

I knew by looking at my start par and my splits that I could get one more shot by rounding up as stated in the drill and increasing speed just slightly. But this was a great confidence builder finding out I could get that 5th shot in under par. I did not know that was possible.... great learning experience.
Also, is it wrong to ask the guy bump firing his AR to keep it down a little? He did have a pretty tight accuracy standard though.... to quote "as long as I don't hit the ceiling it's cool"

[DocGKR]

Federal AE9FP 147 gr FMJ fired from G19 w/RMR07 holstered in a AIWB Fricke Seraphim concealed under a soft shell TNF jacket.

Started off by running all three Defoor Pistol tests, then the DOW. My DOW baseline for 3 shots was 2.53 sec; it seemed stupid to move all the way up to 3 sec for par, so I set par to 2.6 sec.

1. 4 shots/4 hits
2. 4 shots/4 hits
3. 5 shots/4 hits
4. 6 shots/3 hits (1 OT)
5. 4 shots/4 hits
6. 5 shots/5 hits
7. 6 shots/5 hits (1 OT)
8. 5 shots/5 hits
9. 6 shots/3 hits
10. 6 shots/5 hits (1 OT)

I guess doing all the rapid shots was helpful, since after running the DOW, I shot my best performance ever on the FAST while using an RDS equipped pistol, with three clean runs at: 5.58, 5.25, 4.89.

The problematic new gen 3 G19 is now on it's third trigger bar--no problems so far with this one, but we'll see how it works over 1000 or so rounds.

[JConn]

Glock 19 aiwb under polo

First three shot with par of 3.0. Realized this seemed too easy. Reshot the par test and got a 2.1. Last seven shot with par of 2.5. This was due to ammo constraints.

1. 4/4
2. 5/5
3. 5/6
4. 3/4
5. 2/4 two late due to trigger freeze
6. 4/4
7. 2/5
8. 3/5
9. 4/5 one late
10. 3/5 one miss one late

I got a little crazy with this one. Sometimes when I do this type of drill my fundamentals suffer. This happened toward the end.

[TCz]

Glock 17, homebrew AIWB, untucked tactical lumberjack shirt

Baseline: 2.5 s

1. 4/3
2. 4/4
3. 3/1
4. 4/3
5. 4/4
6. 5/5
7. 5/4
8. 5/5
9. 4/4
10. 4/4

I definitely got better, but I need more reps to make the improvement stick. Number 3 sucked. I just froze up and took forever to pull the trigger.

Biggest thing is how this drill shows the deficiency in my press-out; when shooting at a 3x5 from the draw, I usually get that first shot at around 1.9, down into the 1.7's if I'm on. On this drill, I was getting 1.4's, 1.5's consistently.

[ToddG]

Dear World,

There is a reason the PAR was set where it was, and folks who are arbitrarily lowering it are missing the point of the drill. "I was gonna fire too many rounds" makes no sense in the context of this exercise.

[JConn]

Only had 150 rounds with me, and I had more to do. That is why I did that. I understand the point of the drill, but I also have a weekly maintenence plan I try to do, and didn't want to sacrifice that just because I set a par time too high. Also it wasn't arbitrarily lowered. I shot a draw fire three again and got a 2.1. My previous draw fire three was 2.53. Three seconds was too much time for me. I should of clarified that in my post.

[Mr_White]

Start position was G34 AIWB concealed with a tee shirt, hands hanging.

Baseline 1.76 – went very carefully on the baseline this time, instead of shafting myself and leaving no room to push.
PAR set at 2.00
1. 7 shots, 5 hits
2. 7 shots, 4 hits, 1 OT
3. 7 shots, 7 hits, 1 OT
4. 7 shots, 4 hits
5. 7 shots, 6 hits, 1 OT
6. 7 shots, 7 hits
7. 7 shots, 6 hits, 1 OT
8. 6 shots, 6 hits
9. 7 shots, 7 hits, 1 OT
10. 7 shots, 7 hits

This drill went well for me. I'm certain I’ve never hit 7/7 under 2 seconds before. I am also certain that this is not representative of what I shoot consistently. And this was calm practice alone, not a pressurized environment. It was great to touch a new height though. Splits are not faster than previously. I hit the gas on the draw and that’s where the extra time came from.

Raw data is at the bottom of this post.

Even though this drill went well, since then it’s been driving me nuts. I’ve been back to the range the last two days, trying to increase the consistency even if it costs time. I was hopeful after this drill that I might find more consistency in a regular Bill Drill and maybe get 6/6 consistently, under 2 seconds, but that has not been the case. For the last two days, I’ve found it difficult to actually slow down, and consistent 6/6 runs have eluded me, whether under or over 2 seconds. I have been experimenting with the finer points of my grip and arm position over the last week or so, and feel a little out of whack on those, so I hope that’s the reason. When I shot this DotW, I just went for it and didn’t analyze or try to do anything specific with my grip or arm position, so maybe that’s a clue to quit analyzing and screwing around with fundamentals for now.

Raw data:

Baseline 1.14, .33, .29 = 1.76
1. .81, .20, .19, .21, .19, .22, .16 = 1.98, 7 shots, 5 hits
2. .81, .18, .37 trigger freeze!, .21, .17, .21, .21 = 2.16, 7 shots, 4 hits, 1 OT
3. .85, .20, .20, .20, .21, .20, .19 = 2.05, 7 shots, 7 hits, 1 OT
4. .83, .19, .18, .21, .19, .20, .19 = 1.99, 7 shots, 4 hits
5. .84, .20, .21, .19, .21, .19, .20 = 2.04, 7 shots, 6 hits, 1 OT
6. .81, .20, .19, .19, .20, .20, .19 = 1.98, 7 shots, 7 hits
7. .79, .22, .20, .19, .21, .21, .19 = 2.01, 7 shots, 6 hits, 1 OT
8. .92, .22, .20, .20, .21, .20 = 1.95, 6 shots, 6 hits
9. .85, .20, .20, .19, .20, .20, .20 = 2.04, 7 shots, 7 hits, 1 OT
10. .81, .21, .20, .19, .21, .19, .19 = 2.00, 7 shots, 7 hits

[Lot2Learn]

Starting Position: High Ready (no drawing from holster allowed at this range)
Glock 19
3 shots fired in 1.98
Par time: 2 sec

1. 3/4 over time
2. 3/4 over time
3. 3/4 over time
4. 3/4 over time
5. 4/5 over time
6. 4/5 over time
7. 4/5 over time
8. 3/5 1 over time, 1 miss
9. 4/5 over time
10. 4/5 over time

Lessons learned: Watch the sights, not where the bullets are going. I think I could have maybe gotten one more shot off if I was concentrating more on the sights, not the end result. Also worth noting, I painted my front sight orange first using a white out pen, then an orange sharpie paint pen. Sights are the Warren Sevigny Carry sights with the two lamp tritium. This seemed to help. Further shooting will help determine.

[ToddG]

Initial 3-shot draw from cncl at 7yd on 8": 1.61s giving a 2.0s PAR for the drill.

1, 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 late
2, 6 shots: 6 hits
3, 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 late
4, 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 miss
5, 7 shots: 6 hits, 1 late
6, 7 shots: 6 hits, 1 late
7, 5 shots: 5 hits (trigger freeze)
8, 6 shots: 3 hits, 2 misses, 1 late
9, 6 shots: 6 hits
10, 7 shots: 5 hits, 1 miss, 1 late

3-shot draw from cncl at 7yd on 8" at end of drill: 1.47s

Got 84% hits counting late shots, with 93% accuracy of shots fired within the time limit. Average number of hits within 2.0s was 5.2.

[MarekH]

Glock G-17, G-code Drop leg holster, no retention device.

3shot draw, 7y, 18cm paper plate = 2,33s

PAR = 2,5s
1. 1shot/1hit (after draw I need to TapRackBang)
2. 4/3 (one after PAR)
3. 4/2
4. 4/4
5. 5/5
6. 5/5
7. 5/5
8. 5/5
9. 6/3
10. 6/3

[MD7305]

Glock 22 G4, CCC Shaggy, Concealed under a t-shirt.

Baseline: 2.63 sec. for a 3.00 sec. PAR

1.) 7 shots: 5 hits, 1 miss, 1 late
2.) 5 shots: 5 hits
3.) 7 shots: 6 hits, 1 miss
4.) 6 shots: 4 hits, 1 miss, 1 late
5.) 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 late
6.) 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 miss
7.) 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 late
8.) 6 shots: 5 hits, 1 late
9.) 6 shots: 6 hits
10.) 6 shots: 6 hits

It seems that about half way I got into a groove. Looking back at my results I wish I would have pushed a bit harder but with a few misses I felt I was at my threshold.