Do you trust people who don’t like Dogs ? (and Vice Versa)

[HCM]

https://youtu.be/J2_AYL68RqI

This begs the question: Do you trust people who don’t like dogs ? How about people dogs don’t like ?

No and no for me.

[TCB]

Never. Dogs know stuff.

[Dan_S]

Yeah...sure... :rolleyes:

Dogs hate me. I hate them.

I think we’re even.


As one of my earliest memories is of a dog attack, which has been reinforced time and time again throughout my life, I get very frustrated with people espousing views of their bueatiful little pooches seventeenth sense or whatever.


Oddly, coming from an agricultural/rural background...I find very few folks coming off farms/ranches holding this view, as well. It tends to be those from urban and suburban backgrounds that hold dogs as some sort of grand judge of...well...anything.

I guess eating fecal matter, roadkill, and vomit, along with chasing cars, skunks, and your own tail...comes with possessing a highly evolved emotional state... :p

[TCB]

:rolleyes:Is there a way to block users on this forum?:p

[RevolverRob]

Dogs hate me. I hate them. :p

Dogs don’t hate you.

You hate them and project fear in your interactions with them. Dogs are creatures that communicate via body language and aggression. They’re pack animals. When you approach a dog belonging to someone else with a negative vibe, they’ll protect themselves and the pack.

At best they’ll stand off with you. Letting you know you aren’t welcome with that attitude.

Which, by the by, is why dogs are good judges of character in many respects. Their pack instincts pick up on attitudes, tones, and body language, that a human will tend to ignore.

Note the last wors, ignore. Many humans see the signs, they just choose to ignore them for whatever reason. Dogs do nothing of the sort. They aren’t tuned to human social interactions to understand what may or may not be culturally relevant to ignore. They see - threat - possible threat - no threat - and act accordingly.

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So yea, I trust my dog, or just about any dog’s instincts especially because they usually jibe with my own. However, there are exceptions. There are stupid dogs like stupid humans that have largely lost their predator/pack instincts (think dogs bred for lap sitting and not much else). They aren’t to be trusted.

[Holmes375]

Yeah...sure... :rolleyes:

Dogs hate me. I hate them.

I think we’re even.


As one of my earliest memories is of a dog attack, which has been reinforced time and time again throughout my life, I get very frustrated with people espousing views of their bueatiful little pooches seventeenth sense or whatever.


Oddly, coming from an agricultural/rural background...I find very few folks coming off farms/ranches holding this view, as well. It tends to be those from urban and suburban backgrounds that hold dogs as some sort of grand judge of...well...anything.

I guess eating fecal matter, roadkill, and vomit, along with chasing cars, skunks, and your own tail...comes with possessing a highly evolved emotional state... :p

I've got a lot of ranch neighbors and friends whom would disagree with you vehemently regarding a dog's sense of things/people amiss. Spend some time around SAR dogs and see if you don't observe behavior that gives you reason to wonder about their psych abilities.

[HCM]

Yeah...sure... :rolleyes:

Dogs hate me. I hate them.

I think we’re even.


As one of my earliest memories is of a dog attack, which has been reinforced time and time again throughout my life, I get very frustrated with people espousing views of their bueatiful little pooches seventeenth sense or whatever.


Oddly, coming from an agricultural/rural background...I find very few folks coming off farms/ranches holding this view, as well. It tends to be those from urban and suburban backgrounds that hold dogs as some sort of grand judge of...well...anything.

I guess eating fecal matter, roadkill, and vomit, along with chasing cars, skunks, and your own tail...comes with possessing a highly evolved emotional state... :p

I don’t know about a highly evolved emotional state but dogs are highly evolved to read people via body language and other forms of non verbal communication. Like a cross between an FBI Profiler and a Pro poker player good.

Non verbal cues are real and a wealth of information. There is a reason good LE interviews are a team effort consisting of the actual interviewer(s) and another LEO or two doing nothing but watching the non verbals.

I think RR is right about them just mirroring back what they are reading from you.

Dogs also have keen senses, and have filled the early warning / sentry role for time immemorial.

[Totem Polar]

No and no for me.


Never. Dogs know stuff.

This, and this.

There is also a theory gaining legs that canine ancestors domesticated our ancestors, and not the other way around. So all those people (including me) who say they like most dogs more than most people may well have historical precedent for the feelings.
;)

[RevolverRob]

This, and this.

There is also a theory gaining legs that canine ancestors domesticated our ancestors, and not the other way around. So all those people (including me) who say they like most dogs more than most people may well have historical precedent for the feelings.
;)

Like most commensal relationships - the evolution of dog-human interactions is a complex back and forth. Dogs and cats are smart animals, for that matter so are rats. Learning to live in harmony with creatures that keep you fed and protect you and vice versa is a solid evolutionary strategy.

It’s also fascinating to me that dog domestication clearly happened multiple times during human history.

When La Salle reached the interior of the US and began going uo the Mississippi, they realized that natives used dog travois to move trade goods. In fact travois trails clearly existed criss-crossing North America in trade routes long before a white person set foot in North America. But by that point, dogs had been domesticated in Eurasia for probably 2000+ years. They had probably been domesticated in North America for the same amount of time. Maybe longer, but there doesn’t seem to be much evidence of dog domestication in South America, suggesting a more recent origination.

[Balisong]

Huge dog lover so no and mostly no.

I say mostly no to the 2nd part cuz my current dog doesn't trust anyone when he first meets them, including my parents and other people that dogs usually love right off the bat. Maybe he's just a bit of a dick, but he adores me and my gf.

[HCM]

Like most commensal relationships - the evolution of dog-human interactions is a complex back and forth. Dogs and cats are smart animals, for that matter so are rats. Learning to live in harmony with creatures that keep you fed and protect you and vice versa is a solid evolutionary strategy.

It’s also fascinating to me that dog domestication clearly happened multiple times during human history.

When La Salle reached the interior of the US and began going uo the Mississippi, they realized that natives used dog travois to move trade goods. In fact travois trails clearly existed criss-crossing North America in trade routes long before a white person set foot in North America. But by that point, dogs had been domesticated in Eurasia for probably 2000+ years. They had probably been domesticated in North America for the same amount of time. Maybe longer, but there doesn’t seem to be much evidence of dog domestication in South America, suggesting a more recent origination.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/06/domestication-gave-dogs-two-new-eye-muscles/591868/?fbclid=IwAR3jcYKKProFiIy4HygrXG2Aaujl9NjKaLuk0gtC JVlx4Bq4rbBnef81yK8

Dogs’ Eyes Have Changed Since Humans Befriended Them
Two specialized muscles give them a range of expression that wolves’ eyes lack.

[HCM]

Huge dog lover so no and mostly no.

I say mostly no to the 2nd part cuz my current dog doesn't trust anyone when he first meets them, including my parents and other people that dogs usually love right off the bat. Maybe he's just a bit of a dick, but he adores me and my gf.

Or maybe he is just smarter than most dogs (and people).

[Caballoflaco]

Dan_S

It could be mirroring in combination with reacting to the odor of fight or flight horomones you might be releasing which creates a weird negative feedback loop. And yeah, if you were the victim of a serious dog attack as a child getting an adrenal dump when your around them doesn’t sound too far fetched.

[TGS]

Oddly, coming from an agricultural/rural background...I find very few folks coming off farms/ranches holding this view, as well. It tends to be those from urban and suburban backgrounds that hold dogs as some sort of grand judge of...well...anything.

Grew up in a rural area playing in farm fields and a 12,000 acre wildlife preserve abutting our property. We thought dogs were pretty awesome. They were for work and didn't live in the house, but they still garnered a lot of respect. We also had a special bond to dogs, so maybe that makes a difference. My grandfather that I grew up with was a bird dog trainer and had a national champion whose bloodline is still being used by a breeder on the other side of the country.

My cousin who basically grew up with me on the weekends for hunting, also grew up in a rural farm area and has a thing for dogs and holds them in high regard. His current dog is his work partner and eats bad people.

We ran over one of our neighbors dogs one day. He was a farmer on a 4-500 acre farm. He cried and carried the dog away sobbing. IDK...…..seemed to hold the dog in high regard from what I could tell.

[Gray01]

I do not fear dogs or possess hostile reactions regarding them, but I am generally apathetic regarding the entire pet micro-culture. When I think of all of the work and expense that some invest I realize that there is no possibility that I am built to take on such a hobby.

[Cypher]

https://youtu.be/J2_AYL68RqI

This begs the question: Do you trust people who don’t like dogs ? How about people dogs don’t like ?

No and no for me.

I don't trust people period.

[HCM]

This, and this.

There is also a theory gaining legs that canine ancestors domesticated our ancestors, and not the other way around. So all those people (including me) who say they like most dogs more than most people may well have historical precedent for the feelings.
;)

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/the-origin-of-dogs/484976/

[Dan_S]

-not worth arguing reality with those unaccustomed to it-

[TGS]

-not worth arguing reality with those unaccustomed to it-

OoooOOOOooo….someone's having a hissyfit!

Respond by insinuating that you are the sole possessor of knowledge and any grasp on reality. Always a solid play.

[Totem Polar]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/the-origin-of-dogs/484976/

[overton]

I am with the late Pat Rogers: I couldn't care less for cultures/people that hate dogs.

[Hemiram]

I definitely don't like people who don't like dogs. Ones that are just scared of them, due to getting bit as a kid or whatever, isn't the same thing. Every dog I've had has run across one person they actively dislike, and in one case, I'll call him "K", I had 5 dogs over about 25 years who ranged from a mild dislike (Molly), to a fair hated (Joe, Blackie, and Gus), and pure kill hatred (King) of "K". "K" seemed to bring out anger towards himself in most all dogs, but King really wanted to take him out. "K" had moved to Arizona in the mid 2000's and that was the last time King had seen him until early 2012 when King was 13, with cataracts and beginning to kind of fade out. We were sitting at a local PNC branch, waiting for a friend of mine's wife to meet me there as I had picked up some stuff for her at Sam's Club. We were about 50 feet from the front door and King, as he was famous for, was nodding off. I never had or saw a dog sleep as much as he did, or one that could fall asleep as quickly as he did. The door into the bank opened up, and instantly, King's eyes about popped out of his head, and he flung himself up onto the dash of my car, and proceeded to chew the glass, with foam shooting out of his mouth, and he wasn't a drooler or foamer. He knew it was "K" before I did, cataracts and all. "K"'s car was parked next to me, and as he got close, King was trying to push himself out my window to get him. "He still hates me!" "K" said when he saw me. Oh yes, King still hated him, and until he pulled out of the parking spot, King was trying to get at him. There were other people he didn't like, but it was a mild dislike, but nobody or anything got him as angry as "K" made him.
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[Poconnor]

I really miss having a dog; especially now that I am deaf. In my career I only saw one house with a large dog burglarized. The owner was embarrassed to explain that his wife made him keep the Rottweiler in a pen when they weren’t home. I had a wonderful bull terrier. He was very dog aggressive and territorial. He did a great job at home. He only snapped at one person- A police officer at my department that married a stripper/ porn star/ prostitute. He ended up getting arrested for selling drugs and was fired. He was also suspected of burglaries. I often thought my dog sensed he was no good

[Hambo]

No and no. I also wonder about people who can't get over irrational fears and distrust all cultures that eat dogs.

[BN]

When I first started to date my wife she told me later that if her dog didn't like me, then I was not suitable dating material. ;) The dog liked me. :)

[Zincwarrior]

https://youtu.be/J2_AYL68RqI

This begs the question: Do you trust people who don’t like dogs ? How about people dogs don’t like ?

No and no for me.

My wiener dog tells me people who don't like dogs are no good low down dirty varmints up to no good.

[That Guy]

In dog we trust. Everyone else, paws where I can see them.


Do you trust people who don’t like dogs ? How about people dogs don’t like ?


People can have all sorts of (stupid :p ) reasons to not like dogs. So, that's not necessarily a definite clue. Some dogs have been mistreated in their life and have misgivings about certain kinds of people simply because they remind the dog of the bad people in their life. (My mother had a dog that hated all males. The dog had previously had an abusive male owner.) But usually, I definitely pay attention to how a dog feels about a person.

[Duelist]

My Brittany likes just about everyone, so if she ever takes a distinct dislike to someone, I plan to pay attention.

[CCT125US]

I like my dog more than I like most people. Throughout my work week, I constantly run into pet owners who warn of their dog. Often times the dog takes a liking to me. I find it interesting as I am literally a stranger with a gun.

My girl, lab / pit chewing on the skull of a vanquished foe.39283

[blues]

In the case and question of dogs vs. people, clearly some animals are more equal than others. You know which.

[DC_P]

So all those people (including me) who say they like most dogs more than most people may well have historical precedent for the feelings.


I fall solidly in this group. Could probably replace one of the 'most' with 'all.'

[Borderland]

I think I understand dogs fairly well as I've trained a few to be productive hunters. I also grew up on a farm so that really doesn't have anything to do with it. A friend of mine also grew up on a farm and she's one of the biggest dog lovers I know.

Dogs need to be trained but you need to be smarter than the dog to do it. That leaves a lot of people holding a pair of deuces.

[LittleLebowski]

If you don't like dogs or (more importantly) kids, I don't trust you.

[Trukinjp13]

No and no.

I trust my dogs more than almost anyone. For that matter I dislike most humans. I grew up and live in the country. I know quite a few farmers. The dogs are family, like mine. They work, eat, sleep together. Raise them right. Treat them with respect. Do not just fear them because the look alarmed, do not just walk up and pet a random dog. Would you just walk up to some random person and touch them? NO.

Honestly most all the bad stories are form the cities where trash use dogs for fighting. You raise a human to be a savage they will be a savage.

You raise your dog without any human interaction it is going to be very uneasy around strangers, same as humans.

My dog that I had growing up was insanely intelligent and thoughtful. He literally saved my sisters life. If it were not for my best friend my sister would not be here today.


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[JHC]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/06/domestication-gave-dogs-two-new-eye-muscles/591868/?fbclid=IwAR3jcYKKProFiIy4HygrXG2Aaujl9NjKaLuk0gtC JVlx4Bq4rbBnef81yK8

Dogs’ Eyes Have Changed Since Humans Befriended Them
Two specialized muscles give them a range of expression that wolves’ eyes lack.

That is the most interesting and provocative dog article ever written me thinks. So dogs developed two distinct new muscles around their eyes in a blink of evolutionary time.

[blues]

That is the most interesting and provocative dog article ever written me thinks. So dogs developed two distinct new muscles around their eyes in a blink of evolutionary time.

Eye sees what you did there.

[Robinson]

I've always liked dogs and have owned several -- mostly rescues. My current living situation isn't a good match for dog ownership -- maybe someday again though.

I do still enjoy playing with friends' dogs. They're just fun to be around.

[RevolverRob]

-not worth arguing reality with those unaccustomed to it-

It's okay to not like dogs, really it is. I think the concern is dogs are intuitively very good at picking up on non-verbal cues, they have been bred for that, specifically. As a result, people trust dogs in many respects over their own, culturally and socially dulled, instincts.

I do think hate is a strong word, though. And I'll be honest, I've met very few dogs that I think are emotionally capable of "hatred", the same is actually true for cats. I think at worst, they are aggressive towards you and in most cases, simply indifferent towards your existence.

Sorry you've had bad experiences before. It's not uncommon. By virtue of dogs being pack animals, when the pack leader isn't alpha it tends to result in dogs that are overly aggressive/territorial/ill-tempered in general. Dogs need strong leadership and need to see their owner as the alpha that they protect, but also defer to. Once that is the case, then you'll tend to find that dogs will only respond negatively if you're aggressive in your approach to the owner and are far more likely to be positive with you.

If you're having a lot of aggressive dog encounters in your life. I would say that you're projecting something that the dog picks up on. If you want to/care to break that, volunteer at an animal shelter for a couple of weeks. If you can walk away after two weeks of volunteering with strays and rescues and think domesticated dogs and cats hate you - then I'll be stunned. Or hang out with some LE K9s, I'll be stunned if you can walk away with a continued negative vibe.

[HCountyGuy]

If you don’t like dogs, whatever. Could be a valid reason for it. My MIL wasn’t fond of dogs for the longest time due to an encounter in her childhood. It took some time but she warmed up to my household’s current dog and is rather fond of him though she’s reluctant to admit it. She likes that he’s obedient and extremely protective when it comes to my son.

However if dogs don’t like a person, that’s worth paying attention to. I’ve owned several GSDs over the years, and only ever had one bite a person. We figured out later it’s because the person stole some jewelry while viewing the home my family was selling. Good boy.

[Borderland]

It's okay to not like dogs, really it is. I think the concern is dogs are intuitively very good at picking up on non-verbal cues, they have been bred for that, specifically. As a result, people trust dogs in many respects over their own, culturally and socially dulled, instincts.

Dogs are acutely aware of a person's body language. My current WPG didn't like me very much as a puppy but she loved my wife. Once she figured out that I was the alpha male in the pack (she's an alpha bitch, ever have one of those?) she came around. Maybe that says something about me, don't know.;)

Dogs can get you figured out pretty fast. If you want them to work for you, you have to set some rules and not confuse them. I've always maintained that you can train a dog to do darn near anything but it has to be on your terms, not theirs. Mostly they just want to do what you want them to do and are happy to do it. My WPG still likes my wife more but she didn't train the dog. I've had a few bosses I didn't care for either so I get it.

[JHC]

I can't prove anything and won't argue to try. But I have my doubts that it's just acute understanding of body language that makes a good dog so perceptive. I wonder if they can smell things on us we don't understand yet. Illness, sorrow, joy, hate.

[Stephanie B]

No and no. I also wonder about people who can't get over irrational fears and distrust all cultures that eat dogs.. Imagine how a certain culture feels about us for eating beef and wearing leather made from bovines.

There are things I don't particularly like, though mostly plants: Brussel sprouts, broccoli and kale top the list. Not fond of chitlins.

I generally like dogs. I am a little cautious around certain breeds, as they often have idiot owners who haven't trained them.

Can't find the post, but a few years ago, I had to face down a couple of stray dogs, dobie-mixes, who seemed to be interested in acting ignorant. They seemed to respect "human not afraid of us" and went elsewhere. I don't know if they also thought "don't mess with human holding a gun by her leg".

[blues]

I can't prove anything and won't argue to try. But I have my doubts that it's just acute understanding of body language that makes a good dog so perceptive. I wonder if they can smell things on us we don't understand yet. Illness, sorrow, joy, hate.

Smell and sense like the pressure drop before a storm. They clearly know things (which they can't articulate but by behavior) that we might otherwise remain unaware of ordinarily.

[Totem Polar]

I don't know if they also thought "don't mess with human holding a gun by her leg".

To be fair, that’s body language that even Stevie Wonder or Lemon Jefferson could pick up on.

[JAD]

I recently told my wife, who was tired of picking up dog hair and had attempted to declare that we wouldn’t have another dog, “no, honey, we will not have another dog. We will have a continuous plurality of dogs.”

That cost me, but I’m sticking with it. The only thing better than a dog is two dogs.

[willie]

Having shorter life spans and with females having multiple births, dogs have evolved or changed over time at an extremely greater rate than human beings. Hence, as a group their genetic makeup has brought about expression of traits that we are discussing. In the recent past destroying dogs that were overly aggressive or perceived to be dangerous was a not uncommon practice. Today, that practice may have subsided.

[willie]

I recently told my wife, who was tired of picking up dog hair and had attempted to declare that we wouldn’t have another dog, “no, honey, we will not have another dog. We will have a continuous plurality of dogs.”

That cost me, but I’m sticking with it. The only thing better than a dog is two dogs.

I lost that battle.

[Stephanie B]

Can't find the post, but a few years ago, I had to face down a couple of stray dogs, dobie-mixes, who seemed to be interested in acting ignorant. They seemed to respect "human not afraid of us" and went elsewhere. I don't know if they also thought "don't mess with human holding a gun by her leg".
Ha! Found it (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27510-A-hole-neighbor-called-animal-control-on-my-GSD&p=646189&viewfull=1#post646189). I didn't remember the type of dog.

[blues]

I lost that battle.

My wife would add another dog in a heartbeat. I'm the one who doesn't feel like taking it on. (But time will tell.)

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I'm going with the general consensus...dogs haven't had their perceptions blunted by social conditioning. They're permanently in the headspace of children who ask "why are you so fat?"

Damn mouthy kids, I'm doing my best. Anyway...

I think dogs are finely tuned to our behaviour because they can't be spoken to directly in a rational way. They've learned we've taught them everything by interpreting our non-verbal communication.

To me that's an excellent combination and while I can appreciate that a person who's been attacked by a dog might have an irrational phobia of dogs so exceptions are possible, in general...if you don't like dogs, we probably won't "get" each other, and if dogs don't like you, you just jumped to the top of my watch list.


To be fair I did have one really racist dog and you couldn't really trust her judgement where chinese people were involved. She just hated them and it was really obvious. I remember coming home from work one day and my roommate had left a note saying "hey, I am getting dinner tonight and also I have taken Molly for a walk to Chinatown just to see what will happen. Talk to you later"

He came home after an hour or so, exhausted from keeping her under control. She just went ballistic. No idea what the issue there was.


But I also tend to agree about cultures that do not bond with dogs. I do not consider dogs and cows to be equivalent in this regard...cows are venerated because of their ability to turn grass into milk, not because they are our closest ally and teammate. It's different. There's a partnership between humans and dogs that is deeper than other animal bonds as far as I'm concerned.

Of course it's also possible that I just relate to and value cultures that derive from isolated pastoral conditions, rather than denser agrarian ones. I don't know. I'm comfortable with my biases, anyway.

[AMC]

It is completely understandable for someone who had a negative encounter as a young child with an aggressive animal to dislike/distrust that species. It's also likely to be a continuously reinforced dislike, since dogs especially will respond negatively to fear and distrust. They don't know why you're afraid of them, and assume the worst....because that's what their pack instincts tell them to do.

My dog is both a joy and a pain in the ass. It's a double edged sword having a highly intelligent dog. They're more than capable of training YOU, and you need to guard against it. My girl is extremely sensitive to body language and smell, especially the family's. She picks up on vigilance on my part instantly, that I know no human has picked up on. She's especially sensitive to, and protective of, my wife and daughter. If they are quiet apprehensive, the dog will definitely keep an eye on a stranger, and let the stranger know they're being watched. This is not a foolproof system, though. The dog is also distrustful and occasionally nervous around disabled people, who's body language and affect can be 'off'. So there can be 'false alarms' so to speak. But she's definitely part of the family, and makes me more comfortable being out of the house. I dont want to be without what a dog brings to our family.

[UniSol]

I've met many that I couldn't wrap my head around their level of enthusiasm FOR dogs. I'm primarily cats. Grew up with them, still have them.

We had a dog for about 3 years, probably one of the sweetest animals I've ever encountered. She was a yellow lab/retriever mix, a little undersized but cuter for it. Very, very sensitive and perceptive. We inherited her from my wife's uncle. I think she was moderately neglected. Uncle's wife got tired of her digging holes in the backyard and we decided to take her in. We put her down 3 years ago. Her back legs stopped working, heartworm issues, some kind of mass in her c-spine. Quality of life moving forward, even dumping money into the problem, and the continued stress of taking care of her, and the extreme stress on the dog that surgery and out of city trips would have imposed, made it the only real choice. The stress leading up to that choice SUCKED, and we were crushed to have to put her down, and we haven't replaced the dog in our household.

We also had to put down one of our 2 cats earlier this year, and it was a quality of life call, he didn't wake up one day and make it a no-brainer for us. He was also a sweet, quirky animal, and it was a son of a bitch making that call and going through with it.

Guess what I'm saying is I don't feel "all in", and I don't have the driving urge to get another dog right now; I damn sure don't begrudge someone's less than stellar feelings towards dogs as a whole, as long as it's simply avoidance and not cruelty or neglect.

If a dog dislikes someone it's worth paying attention to, but I remember walking my cousin's black lab/rottie mix, real sweet kind of dopey, docile animal, along the Pacific Crest Trail once, and he LOST HIS MIND barking and and backpedalling, eyes bugging out, when he saw 2 little black girls coming our direction. My cousin is a dreadlocked, dyed in the wool Rastafarian, so the dog hadn't been conditioned negatively towards black folks. So who knows why he reacted that way.

[LSP552]

My dog is an excellent judge of character. We dislike the same people.

[JAD]

There is a good existential knot to pull on: I have heard some say that they love dogs, but they can’t stand the thought of going through losing another dog.

It’s an interesting system where the deprivation of a good has more weight than the food itself.

[Hambo]

. Imagine how a certain culture feels about us for eating beef and wearing leather made from bovines.

They probably feel I'm unenlightened, but they don't eat dogs so we're all cool.

[45dotACP]

Dogs are awesome, but I probably won't own another one for a while due to living constraints and the last dog (losing a dog is always a miserable experience).

I'm probably in the "cat person" phase right now, which is basically short for "people who like affection, but don't go in for being jumped on, licked and having their leg humped...yet"

But so help me God if I see a doggo on the sidewalk I'll ask if I can pet it.

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[JAD]

https://youtu.be/ZXILzUpVx7A

[Cypher]

To be fair Mutt does not like dogs

https://i.postimg.cc/pL95dcZF/20190613_143859.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rDkwnJ7V)

But I trust her.

[blues]

There is a good existential knot to pull on: I have heard some say that they love dogs, but they can’t stand the thought of going through losing another dog.

It’s an interesting system where the deprivation of a good has more weight than the food itself.

It's the cost of admission and the price we pay for the love they give. I hate it and I dread it but it's hard to imagine a world without them.

They make us better.

[JAD]

They make us better.

One way to express the relationship people have to their world is ‘stewardship;’ the idea that we’re responsible for the proper care of things despite not being able to claim any real ownership. I think having dogs has helped me understand that better.

[BobM]

When my daughter was sixteen, a boy came by to visit. Molly, my chocolate lab/possible pit mix, immediately backed him into a wall. I'd never seen her react to anyone like that, and the boy never came back. A few years later I learned that his college girlfriend had to get a restraining order against him.

[JAD]

But I trust her.

I love cats, but I’m not dumb enough to trust them.

[FrankinCA]

In general, if a person is not a “dog” person, I avoid them. Dogs have a keen sense of skulduggery

[Yung]

. Imagine how a certain culture feels about us for eating beef and wearing leather made from bovines.

There are things I don't particularly like, though mostly plants: Brussel sprouts, broccoli and kale top the list. Not fond of chitlins.

Two of the engineers I work with are like night and day on this: one is agnostic but grew up eating the same bread-beans-rice-curry meal three times a day and the only meat he'll touch is chicken. The other also grew up the same but I've taken him out twice to dinner at a Korean BBQ and then to an American BBQ that has a great smoked prime rib. Unfortunately he is leaving the company to continue his studies, as his work visa didn't get picked. We will go to a Brazilian steakhouse in the first week of July.

He told me it isn't necessarily illegal where he is back home but due to his ethnicity he would be ostracized to the point of physical harm.

I hold beef in very high regard and I feel that the role it has in our history and our cuisine is one of the things that makes our great nation the greatest. An informal sample I took on this forum some time ago has only furthered my confirmation bias.

Also I like broccoli, Brussel sprouts and kale very much. Great options for a ketogenic diet. Spinach is my favorite but that might be because I've never had it canned.

I don't mind chitterlings at least the way they are presented in Taiwanese fashion but I'd much rather have tripe. I'm sure you can guess what kind.

[Mark D]

I recently told my wife, who was tired of picking up dog hair and had attempted to declare that we wouldn’t have another dog, “no, honey, we will not have another dog. We will have a continuous plurality of dogs.”

That cost me, but I’m sticking with it. The only thing better than a dog is two dogs.

Agreed

[Trukinjp13]

The last dog that I had that passed away was 18. So he has ruined life expectancy for me. I can not imagine living without a dog or dogs in my case currently. The loss is extremely hard, but weirdly the best way to help move on is get another one.


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[Greg]

To the original question:


https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0

[Malamute]

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Can't find the post, but a few years ago, I had to face down a couple of stray dogs, dobie-mixes, who seemed to be interested in acting ignorant. They seemed to respect "human not afraid of us" and went elsewhere. I don't know if they also thought "don't mess with human holding a gun by her leg".

Several years ago a dog showed up at my place, he wasnt being clear how he was relating to my dogs. He sort of broke into the yard. I scolded him and he started to depart, me walking behind him escorting him off my place, giving me the eye, like he wasnt sure he really wanted to leave, and what would I do about it. One of those moments, he looked like he decided to challenge me (and i dont like it when strange dogs growl at me on my own place). I pulled the glock out my my back pocket and chambered a round, he immediately got an "Oh SHIT" look, and didnt stop again. He seemed to know exactly what it was.

Turned out he was was one of 3 that the neighbors let run loose, they had killed chickens, chased cattle, deer, and horses, and got into other mischief. They eventually moved, which no doubt saved the dogs. Nobody wanted to do them in when they first saw them, but after word got around, they were in deep trouble if seen running loose again.

[AKDoug]

I've had dogs throughout my life. They were there, they brought some joy as part of the family, but honestly they didn't add much to the mix. I don't get people treating dogs like children, nor do I get people bringing their dogs everywhere only people should be at. My in-laws brought their dog on a recent short vacation we were on. The dog is cool and pretty well behaved, but man what a pain in the ass it was dealing with a dog properly when we wanted to do things dogs weren't allowed to do. We basically spent three days arguing about who was going to sit in the car with the dog with the air conditioning on while the rest of us did something as a family.

I don't have a dog anymore. I don't need the relationship owning a dog requires.

[Stephanie B]

Several years ago a dog showed up at my place, he wasnt being clear how he was relating to my dogs. He sort of broke into the yard. I scolded him and he started to depart, me walking behind him escorting him off my place, giving me the eye, like he wasnt sure he really wanted to leave, and what would I do about it. One of those moments, he looked like he decided to challenge me (and i dont like it when strange dogs growl at me on my own place). I pulled the glock out my my back pocket and chambered a round, he immediately got an "Oh SHIT" look, and didnt stop again. He seemed to know exactly what it was.

Turned out he was was one of 3 that the neighbors let run loose, they had killed chickens, chased cattle, deer, and horses, and got into other mischief. They eventually moved, which no doubt saved the dogs. Nobody wanted to do them in when they first saw them, but after word got around, they were in deep trouble if seen running loose again.
RMOAS: There was a guy in Whitingham, VT who had a couple of Dobermans. He let them out during the day when he was at work; the dogs would always be in the yard when he came home.

There was a diary farm down the road a piece. The farmer came by one evening and asked the guy to control his dogs, as they were chasing his cows. Stressed cows produce less milk, so those dogs were costing him money. The guy said his dog don't chase cows.

An aside about Vermont law at the time: Under some statute from 1858, owners of livestock could use whatever methods available to stop predators and varmints from harassing their stock. About the only method not mentioned was nuclear weapons, probably because they didn't exist then.

So the dogs were chasing farmer's cows. The farmer shot both dogs dead, buried their carcasses and said nothing.

A week or so later, the dog's owner came by, said his dogs were missing and asked the farmer if he had seen them. The farmer said: "Well, I shot two Dobermans who were chasing my cows, but they couldn't have been yours, because your dogs don't chase cows."

[Casual Friday]

I'm dog neutral mostly. I like well mannered and friendly dogs that are good around other dogs and children. I don't like dogs who come with caveats. If I can just chill around a dog and not have to make sure I'm not wearing a certain color it doesn't like or sitting with my arms crossed or any other thing that the dog doesn't like, I like them.

I grew up around dogs where I live, but they were mostly working dogs of some sort and not take to the grocery store dogs. They lived outside but were still considered a part of the family without being viewed as being on par with humans. When they got sick or starting biting people, they were put down by the owners.

The "ooowoo pupper doggo dress them in Halloween costumes" people and the ones that refer to themselves as dog moms and dog dads are the ones I don't trust. If you aren't capable of understanding that the effort, sacrifice, responsibility, and commitment in owning a dog is not even in the same realm as having kids, I wouldn't enjoy spending time with you.

As far as trusting a dogs ability to sense bad people goes, my neighbors have 2 dogs. One is a fantastic Irish Setter/Fox Red Labrador mix, who has been nothing but friendly and playful with my whole family from day one since they moved in. Other than shitting in my yard, it's a wonderful dog to have as a neighbor, it's welcome over here anytime. Their other dog, is some kind of mix. It doesn't like me at all, and hasn't since they moved in. So which dog should they listen to as far as if I can be trusted or not? Maybe it's possible that some dogs, like some people, are just assholes.

We don't own any dogs because they wouldn't fit into our lifestyle very well and it wouldn't be fair to the dogs. Myself and my youngest have pet allergies so they wouldn't be able to be inside the house, and my wife and I both work and are gone most of the day, except lately I've been working from home for the past couple months. I'm not willing to let a dog run loose all day and bother the neighbors while we're not home, and keeping them chained up or in kennels isn't really my thing. Even if I could keep a dog indoors, I wouldn't, it seems kinda like an asshole move to keep your dog cooped up inside your house all day while you're at work.

TL;DR version: I like nice people and nice dogs.

[Jim Watson]

Dogs are like people, some I like, some I admire, some are annoying, some I think dangerous. (Frex a large "rescue dog." Owner: "She was mistreated and doesn't trust men." Dog: "Grr." That one I will avoid.)

[jeep45238]

The 'dog days' at breweries and similar events, I dismiss those animals as they are typically fashion accessories. Dogs with training and in-tuned with their owners are a totally different breed, and I trust them quite a bit.

Based on recent history of my life, if a person doesn't like dogs due to one incident or a particular breed, that person is not someone I trust either. They probably like pinning their faults and problems on anything besides themselves.

[HCM]

I'm dog neutral mostly. I like well mannered and friendly dogs that are good around other dogs and children. I don't like dogs who come with caveats. If I can just chill around a dog and not have to make sure I'm not wearing a certain color it doesn't like or sitting with my arms crossed or any other thing that the dog doesn't like, I like them.

I grew up around dogs where I live, but they were mostly working dogs of some sort and not take to the grocery store dogs. They lived outside but were still considered a part of the family without being viewed as being on par with humans. When they got sick or starting biting people, they were put down by the owners.

The "ooowoo pupper doggo dress them in Halloween costumes" people and the ones that refer to themselves as dog moms and dog dads are the ones I don't trust. If you aren't capable of understanding that the effort, sacrifice, responsibility, and commitment in owning a dog is not even in the same realm as having kids, I wouldn't enjoy spending time with you.

As far as trusting a dogs ability to sense bad people goes, my neighbors have 2 dogs. One is a fantastic Irish Setter/Fox Red Labrador mix, who has been nothing but friendly and playful with my whole family from day one since they moved in. Other than shitting in my yard, it's a wonderful dog to have as a neighbor, it's welcome over here anytime. Their other dog, is some kind of mix. It doesn't like me at all, and hasn't since they moved in. So which dog should they listen to as far as if I can be trusted or not? Maybe it's possible that some dogs, like some people, are just assholes.

We don't own any dogs because they wouldn't fit into our lifestyle very well and it wouldn't be fair to the dogs. Myself and my youngest have pet allergies so they wouldn't be able to be inside the house, and my wife and I both work and are gone most of the day, except lately I've been working from home for the past couple months. I'm not willing to let a dog run loose all day and bother the neighbors while we're not home, and keeping them chained up or in kennels isn't really my thing. Even if I could keep a dog indoors, I wouldn't, it seems kinda like an asshole move to keep your dog cooped up inside your house all day while you're at work.

TL;DR version: I like nice people and nice dogs.

Raising children to be nice, well adjusted adults is almost exactly like raising a puppy except you don’t put them down when they get sick or bite people.

Biting people is normal behavior for feral humans as evidenced by the number of kids videos designed to help curb this behavior. We just train most people out of it.


https://youtu.be/U6UWNA-WQgI

I agree some dogs, like some people, are just assholes, or damaged, or mentally ill. Along those lines, based on 20 plus years of seeing people at their worst I’m confident if one got a child or a puppy early enough you could make it an unstable, unpleasant and dangerous thing.

[donlapalma]

I'm more likely to trust a person who likes dogs AND treats them humanely and responsibly.

There are assholes out there, who may "love" dogs, but still treat them like shit.

Ya, I don't care for those pricks at all.

[TiroFijo]

I generally like dogs, and most of them like me. I choose not to own dogs, so it kinda bothers me that some dog owners behave like it is their right to be intrusive to other people's with their pets outside their homes.

I don't like Fido approaching me on the street while the owner automatically thinks it is normal and great because he is such a lovely beast. Keep your distance, and look for signs that may suggest that contact with your animal is welcomed, or ask. And please pick up your dog shit.

[Dan_S]

TGS

I’m quite disappointed that you chose to respond the way you did. We’ve chatted privately, I think you’re a cool chap.




My life experience trumps whatever someone types in a keyboard. If you wanted clarification, ask me. Call me, whatever. This is a big deal to me, because...well, I’m terrified of dogs, and I don’t appreciate how cavalier people are when casting aspersions on this subject.

[FNFAN]

I trust the judgment of dogs I know. I totally believe the mentions of dogs disliking people who are later found to be whacko's. Daughter had a Dachshund pup who, when I came by to hang out with her and the ex, would climb up on the back of the couch and wrap itself around my neck, tail on one side and nose breathing in my ear. :) Ex would shake her head and say, "Sick. That's just sick. That dog loved me!:cool: Had a partner I worked warrants with who had absolutely no fear of dogs. We'd go into a fenced yard and he'd walk past the dogs and they'd look at him, then swivel heads to me. "Uh,Oh!"

[Doc_Glock]

I don’t care for dogs.

But I find the behavior of the dogs I meet tells me a lot about their owners.

[TGS]

TGS

I’m quite disappointed that you chose to respond the way you did.

Sucks to be you then.

Don't be a dick to everyone by dismissing them as being out of touch with reality then come back with this bullshit about "oh poor me and my life experience" as if you're being victimized. You yourself admit that you're terrified of dogs, but you still let that drive your views on dogs due to your interactions with them. Kind of a self serving prophecy, given that dogs are obviously responding to your behavior towards them.

[Chuck Whitlock]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/06/domestication-gave-dogs-two-new-eye-muscles/591868/?fbclid=IwAR3jcYKKProFiIy4HygrXG2Aaujl9NjKaLuk0gtC JVlx4Bq4rbBnef81yK8

Dogs’ Eyes Have Changed Since Humans Befriended Them
Two specialized muscles give them a range of expression that wolves’ eyes lack.

Interesting article.

I am convinced that one of our four dogs tries to speak to us, but can't make her vocal chords make the noises that she wants to.

[Cory]

Any thread where dogs get mentioned always turns out entertaining.

The idea that anyone's pet is equal to a child is stupid. "Dog Mom" and the like is simply foolish. Those who act like their relationship with a pet is anything equal to a parents relationship with a child are either A: childless and just don't have the depth of understanding those with children do, B: Hyperbolic, C: Terrible parents. Animals simply aren't an equal to humans. While a specific animal may be revered and a specific person may not be, on the whole animals simply aren't equals. And your 20ish year life span pet simply isn't equal to a child who you influence and mold who will continue to influence and mold others. One has lasting impact and one does not. One can change the world (even if over generations) and one is probably a really great pet. The notion of pets as kids is stupid.

I'm not a fan of little dogs. Anything much smaller than a Sheba Inu is not my cup of tea. My parents have had small dogs for years at this point. I find them yappy, fearful, at times aggressive, scatter brained, and often misbehaved. Some of this is my parents failing to properly discipline or teach their mutts. More than my parents dogs I sincerely hate the goes-everywhere-with-me attitude that often comes with small dogs. Your mutt doesn't belong in the grocery cart I put my kid in. Or in the store. Leave your fuzzy shit machine at home unless you're going to a place that's appropriate to have it with you. Nobody else thinks of Mr. Piddles as equal to a human, or is amused when you announce "I Just Can't Believe It!" because they pissed on the watermelon stand or on my car in the parking lot. They always seem bad with kids as well. Just wholly unimpressed with little dogs. Because I don't like them apparently some here would assume that makes me a neer-do-well.

Dog's "Superior Judgment" is an odd thing. It's always true in hindsight, but I'm not sure that means every time is true. Some dogs are just ugly natured, be it because of breed or up bringing is kind of irrelevant. If this thread was about violent dogs there would be countless examples of PFers who have had to defend themselves from dogs, or almost so, or know this one person with a really mean dog. Does that mean everyone that dog tries to attack is somehow nefarious? No.

Some people are afraid of dogs, for whatever reason. Often, dogs will react to those people in a negative fashion. Does that mean those people are somehow bad? No. They're just scared of dogs, and the dogs pick up on it and push them a little. There are plenty of folks who are good, moral people but are afraid of dogs and thus, don't like them. I don't distrust those people. Usually they'll relay their bad experience or fear before you even ask about it.

However. If you have a dog that doesn't have a history of abuse, and isn't ugly natured, and is generally amicable with everyone but it always reacts in a negative way to one specific person... I would look for reasons why. If it's a first time meeting thing then whatever... could simply be an "I don't know this person" reaction. If they've seen you 4-6 times and you've spent an hour or two around them each time then the dog should be coming around. If they're not then I would wonder why. Does the person always smell like gas, or other animals, or something else? If there is no discernible reason that a dog doesn't like them I would evaluate how much I know/trust the person. If this is someone that I'm pretty close with and have a long history with then I may chalk it up to personality clash.

I've always grown up with dogs, and look forward to getting a new dog for our house hopefully soon.

-Cory

[HCM]

Any thread where dogs get mentioned always turns out entertaining.

The idea that anyone's pet is equal to a child is stupid. "Dog Mom" and the like is simply foolish. Those who act like their relationship with a pet is anything equal to a parents relationship with a child are either A: childless and just don't have the depth of understanding those with children do, B: Hyperbolic, C: Terrible parents. Animals simply aren't an equal to humans. While a specific animal may be revered and a specific person may not be, on the whole animals simply aren't equals. And your 20ish year life span pet simply isn't equal to a child who you influence and mold who will continue to influence and mold others. One has lasting impact and one does not. One can change the world (even if over generations) and one is probably a really great pet. The notion of pets as kids is stupid.

I'm not a fan of little dogs. Anything much smaller than a Sheba Inu is not my cup of tea. My parents have had small dogs for years at this point. I find them yappy, fearful, at times aggressive, scatter brained, and often misbehaved. Some of this is my parents failing to properly discipline or teach their mutts. More than my parents dogs I sincerely hate the goes-everywhere-with-me attitude that often comes with small dogs. Your mutt doesn't belong in the grocery cart I put my kid in. Or in the store. Leave your fuzzy shit machine at home unless you're going to a place that's appropriate to have it with you. Nobody else thinks of Mr. Piddles as equal to a human, or is amused when you announce "I Just Can't Believe It!" because they pissed on the watermelon stand or on my car in the parking lot. They always seem bad with kids as well. Just wholly unimpressed with little dogs. Because I don't like them apparently some here would assume that makes me a neer-do-well.

Dog's "Superior Judgment" is an odd thing. It's always true in hindsight, but I'm not sure that means every time is true. Some dogs are just ugly natured, be it because of breed or up bringing is kind of irrelevant. If this thread was about violent dogs there would be countless examples of PFers who have had to defend themselves from dogs, or almost so, or know this one person with a really mean dog. Does that mean everyone that dog tries to attack is somehow nefarious? No.

Some people are afraid of dogs, for whatever reason. Often, dogs will react to those people in a negative fashion. Does that mean those people are somehow bad? No. They're just scared of dogs, and the dogs pick up on it and push them a little. There are plenty of folks who are good, moral people but are afraid of dogs and thus, don't like them. I don't distrust those people. Usually they'll relay their bad experience or fear before you even ask about it.

However. If you have a dog that doesn't have a history of abuse, and isn't ugly natured, and is generally amicable with everyone but it always reacts in a negative way to one specific person... I would look for reasons why. If it's a first time meeting thing then whatever... could simply be an "I don't know this person" reaction. If they've seen you 4-6 times and you've spent an hour or two around them each time then the dog should be coming around. If they're not then I would wonder why. Does the person always smell like gas, or other animals, or something else? If there is no discernible reason that a dog doesn't like them I would evaluate how much I know/trust the person. If this is someone that I'm pretty close with and have a long history with then I may chalk it up to personality clash.

I've always grown up with dogs, and look forward to getting a new dog for our house hopefully soon.

-Cory

I wouldn’t say dogs have superior judgement. They are just more perceptive.

I’m not fan of small dogs. They are considered “harmless” and as a result have not been bred for good disposition. This is often compounded by failure to train and discipline them.

While dogs are not children, there are significant parallels between raising a well adjusted puppy and a well adjusted child. Nothing I’ve seen in 20 plus years of dealing with failures on the human side of that equation has contradicted the idea.

[Cory]

I wouldn’t say dogs have superior judgement. They are just more perceptive.

I’m not fan of small dogs. They are considered “harmless” and as a result have not been bred for good disposition. This is often compounded by failure to train and discipline them.

While dogs are not children, there are significant parallels between raising a well adjusted puppy and a well adjusted child. Nothing I’ve seen in 20 plus years of dealing with failures on the human side of that equation has contradicted the idea.

I'm not sure I'd call them significant, but absolutely there are parallels. Otherwise, I'd say I completely agree.

-Cory

[olstyn]

I'm not a fan of little dogs.

I'm not really a little dog fan either, though I draw the smallness line more at corgis than Sheba Inus. Probably the funniest dog experience I've ever had involved a little dog. I forget the specific breed, but it was one of those small white puffball ones, owned by my wife's cousin. We're at her house and the dog approaches me all challengy and barking. I wasn't having it, so I hit that poor little dog with the heaviest dose of "I'm a LOT bigger than you and I DGAF"-style scorn I could muster and then thoroughly ignored it. I don't think I've ever seen a more confused dog in my entire life. It totally thought it was the boss, and my eye contact and follow-on body language gave it a serious reality check. :)

[Dan_S]

Oh, just ignore the dog, he won’t bite. Sure, that’s how my mother got bitten.

Oh, don’t make eye contact either, because Fido doesn’t like that. Sure, because 80 pounds of snarling snapping menace is so easy to ignore.


Everyone with a dog always has an excuse for the dogs poor behaviour. Keep your mutt under control - verbally, or otherwise.

If you holler at your mutt to come back, stop, sit, whatever, as it comes running toward me, then why should I believe you that oh, he won’t bite....??


Working farm dogs? They have a purpose in life, and tend to listen. Hattie ( LittleLebowski ‘s Dad’s dog) was awesome. Well mannered, sweet, trained, cattle-working-dog. As was the neighbors Corgi, etc. Bourbon, the French wire haired griffin was a sweet (albeit rather...uhm...learning disabled) specimen as well.

What those dogs had in common, were owners that didn’t put up with the dog acting like a raging nutcase, and in the end they had dogs that were pleasant to be around - ie, not aggressive...

[Zincwarrior]

My wiener dog's idea of working is using his butt to make sure the sofa doesn't fly away.*

*In his defense he did protect the daughter from a rattler by attacking the rattler, and saved the old wiener dog from being eaten by the mountain dog once when the old wiener dog stole the mountain dog's bone and the mountain dog decided to eat him instead.

[Suvorov]

In general NO.

I used to say I would never date a woman that didn't like dogs, then I met my wife who grew up in the city and was afraid of large dogs. Then I changed my motto to never dating a woman who my dog didn't like. The latter I do think is a pretty good rule to live by in all aspects. I really do think that dogs (and other intelligent/empathetic animals) are able to pick up on other cues that we as humans have had to suppress and that makes them better judges of character that most people are.

Years ago my Grandfather hired this guy to redo our roof. My dog, who was usually a very friendly dog, hated this roofer and would become fairly aggressive towards the guy to the point we had to keep him inside while the roofer was working. Long story short - the roofer worked a day then took the deposit and ran.....

So much for hiring un-vetted workers, but good on my dog for calling a spade as spade.

[Darth_Uno]

When I was courting my wife, her family had a little rat terrier named Zipper. Zipper absolutely loved me which blew everyone’s mind because he apparently didn’t like most anyone else. My wife told me that her mom knew I was a good man (hey, don’t we have another thread about that?) when Zipper thought I was his new best friend.


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[Trukinjp13]

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