Biden Suggests Starting ‘Physical Revolution’ To Deal With Republicans

[HCM]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48516/biden-suggests-starting-physical-revolution-deal-ryan-saavedra

Biden Suggests Starting ‘Physical Revolution’ To Deal With Republicans


Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden appeared to suggest using violence against Republicans on Monday in response to a question about how he as president would deal with opposition to his agenda in the Senate from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.


Biden responded. "The fact of the matter is if we can't get a consensus, nothing happens except the abuse of power by the executive."

"There are certain things where it just takes a brass knuckle fight," Biden continued, later adding: "Let’s start a real physical revolution if you’re talking about it."

If mainstream political leaders are calling for “physical revolution” against the opposite party, is it any wonder fringe elements on both sides are calling for the same or worse ?


https://youtu.be/0-JA1ffd5Ms

[Paul Blackburn]

They believe they are justified in getting their way by any means necessary.

[RoyGBiv]

Fuckin disgusting. Instantly disqualifying. Treasonous.

[Matt C.]

Bring it.

[fixer]

My Cheeky response:

Gotcha there grampa. Bring your break-open Beretta to a semi-auto gun fight.


Serious response

Between this and Eric Nuke Em Swalwell, they will get NRA memberships up 300% in a few months.

Tin foil response

Yep...the mask is coming off. There is little more to pretend with here. Control, power, force are the objective for these guys.

[Joe in PNG]

I honestly wish we could take both sets of revolutionary LARPing idiots- the Leftwing Che wannabes and the Rightwing chestthumpers- drop them off on a deserted island somewhere, and make them act on their fantasy without bothering the rest of us.

Too many of them have no clue at all what a revolution/ civil war entails, or how horrible they are. I suspect that they think it's all glamorous berets and shooting all the people they don't like.
They don't know about the deaths & serious wounding of friends & family, or the hunger, or the physical hardship, or the real stress- any of it.

[LittleLebowski]

More proof that Biden is an idiot. He won't last, the Democratic Party will find a nice scandal from his past; there's no way they are running a straight white male for President.

[NH Shooter]

More proof that Biden is an idiot. He won't last, the Democratic Party will find a nice scandal from his past; there's no way they are running a senile straight white male for President.

FIFY

[Duelist]

Is not that the ultimate definition of abuse of power by the executive - physically get rid of the people he doesn’t like?

[LittleLebowski]

FIFY

I think he's always been pretty dumb, regardless of age.

[okie john]

That's might big talk for a man who will never throw a punch.


Okie John

[rob_s]

Pretty shortsighted. It wouldn't be long before the OAC's stretch Biden, Obama, and Clinton's necks. Once they build the gallows it will go from being about partisanship to being about class, and the rich dems' bodies will pile up right next to the repubs' before long.

[JohnO]

More proof that Biden is an idiot. He won't last, the Democratic Party will find a nice scandal from his past; there's no way they are running a straight white male for President.

Two individuals I know who worked on "The Hill" in years past when Biden was in the senate, independently commented that Joe Biden was widely known as the dumbest man on the hill.

[ralph]

Joe in PNG has got it right..The last thing we as a country need is another civil war..It ain't gonna be like the last time, where it was fairly easy to tell who was who.. there ain't gonna be any blue, gray, uniforms..It's gonna be people shooting their neighbors, or their in laws, or if it goes on long enough people will start killing each other for food.. One mob fighting against another mob.. The end result is we won't have a country..period. If this is what Joe Biden advocates, then he is a tratior and should be hung.

Luckily for us, by throwing this out there now, Biden is giving everybody plenty of ammo to sink him before he gets too far..And he's also showing the country, in fact the whole world, just how stupid he really is..

[DC_P]

Dumb statement, but I have to admit it would be entertaining to just put the politicians in a cage and let them have at it.

[0ddl0t]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48516/biden-suggests-starting-physical-revolution-deal-ryan-saavedra

Biden Suggests Starting ‘Physical Revolution’ To Deal With Republicans

I seem to remember a few Republicans suggesting "Second Amendment remedies" to deal with Democrat Harry Reid

[ralph]

I seem to remember a few Republicans suggesting "Second Amendment remedies" to deal with Democrat Harry Reid

True. Trump should have a twitter response equally stupid in 3..2..1..

[Sensei]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48516/biden-suggests-starting-physical-revolution-deal-ryan-saavedra

Biden Suggests Starting ‘Physical Revolution’ To Deal With Republicans

That story on the Dailywire is inaccurate and the video has been deceptively edited to make Biden seem to be calling for revolution. Here is a more honest description of Biden’s remarks along with an unedited video that portrays the full context.

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/17/biden-think-cant-work-side-might-well-start-physical-revolution/

It seems pretty clear that the reference towards revolution was a bit of sarcasm directed at hardline democrats who think that compromise is impossible with Republicans. He never seriously called for an actual revolution. The brass knuckle fight portion was a description of the instances where compromise was not possible and the POTUS needed to take the case before the American people to garner public support. Of course, that didn’t stop the Dailywire from splicing “revolution” and “brass knuckle fight” closer together to completely reverse the context of the message.

Oh well, I’m sad to see Ben Shapiro’s shop go the way of Brietbart into the bullshit abyss.

[Casual Friday]

I seem to remember a few Republicans suggesting "Second Amendment remedies" to deal with Democrat Harry Reid

Dealing with tyrants is what the second amendment is about, at least that's what the founding fathers intended.

[Guerrero]

Oh well, I’m sad to see Ben Shapiro’s shop go the way of Brietbart into the bullshit abyss.

This has been my observation of Daily Wire as well (except for Shapiro's own writings), which is why I no longer read it; I can get my dose of Shapiro elsewhere.


Back to Biden: I am apprehensive as to what will happen to Milwaukee (where the Dem Convention will be) if Biden makes it to the finals. I can imagine riots from various groups if he pulls in the nomination.

[blues]

This has been my observation of Daily Wire as well (except for Shapiro's own writings), which is why I no longer read it; I can get my dose of Shapiro elsewhere.


Back to Biden: I am apprehensive as to what will happen to Milwaukee (where the Dem Convention will be) if Biden makes it to the finals. I can imagine riots from various groups if he pulls in the nomination.

No matter who gets the party nod, there's going to plenty of angst, wailing and gnashing of teeth to go around. Nothing to be done about it that I can tell.
(Other than police and NG prep in regard to Milwaukee and environs.)

[Guerrero]

No matter who gets the party nod, there's going to plenty of angst, wailing and gnashing of teeth to go around. Nothing to be done about it that I can tell.
(Other than police and NG prep in regard to Milwaukee and environs.)

Other than to hunker down and stay the F out of downtown.

[pooty]

Dealing with tyrants is what the second amendment is about, at least that's what the founding fathers intended.

IIRC another intent was that a 'well regulated militia' would allow the Federal Government to maintain a very small, standing army since the citizens could mob into a militia if anyone made it past the US Navy.

This is the other half of the 2nd Amendment that seems to be mostly ignored.

[BehindBlueI's]

If mainstream political leaders are calling for “physical revolution” against the opposite party, is it any wonder fringe elements on both sides are calling for the same or worse ?


What's really a shame is the media outlet knows this sells and is willing to foster a deeper and deeper divide in our society because it puts money in their pocket. Go watch the speech. The 'brass knuckles" is plainly not literal as it's in the context of campaigning at multiple levels, working at races that might go either way, etc. The "physical revolution" boils down to "if you don't believe the process works, you might as well start a physical revolution...but to do so is to lose what our country is about so let's revitalize bipartisanship so we don't have that."

Pretty much the exact opposite of calling for a physical revolution. But they'll get clicks, which equals money, and give two fucks less what damage they cause to our country or society. They are like any other polluter, making money without regard to the mess they make for everyone else.

[Old Man Winter]

Maybe political leaders should encourage rock’em sock’em amongst the people. Do we believe society will come together, compromise, and start singing kumbaya around the campfire anytime soon? The path we’re on is dysfunctional at best. It has been 150+ years since we’ve fought in this country. Perhaps a bloody nose from time to time serves the greater good.

[JHC]

Maybe political leaders should encourage rock’em sock’em amongst the people. Do we believe society will come together, compromise, and start singing kumbaya around the campfire anytime soon? The path we’re on is dysfunctional at best. It has been 150+ years since we’ve fought in this country. Perhaps a bloody nose from time to time serves the greater good.

I don't think so, because it won't look like Lexington. It'll look like the Murrah Federal Building.

There is no win for another civil war albeit I know righties cheering for it.

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[pooty]

36trap Instead of fighting any sort of civil war where the non-combatants will suffer the worst of it, why can't we peacefully separate into three or four different countries?

[Crash41984]

Physical revolution!? Baaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

[Zincwarrior]

Beatles song...in head...can't stop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw

[Totem Polar]

Mea culpa: I was willing to pre-shit on Biden, because, uncle Joe. Now that Sensei and BBI have pointed out the media’s take/stake in this teapot tempest, I’m embarrassed to have been caught up in my own internal jingoism.

I’ll still shit on Biden, because, uncle Joe... but not over this.

Yet again, shame on the "hands up, don’t shoot" media—on both sides. Someone famous once opined that "religion is the source of all mankind’s wars." Maybe... but now that outrage porn has become religion on both ends of the societal candle, the concept is gaining legs.

JMO.

[Caballoflaco]

Maybe political leaders should encourage rock’em sock’em amongst the people. Do we believe society will come together, compromise, and start singing kumbaya around the campfire anytime soon? The path we’re on is dysfunctional at best. It has been 150+ years since we’ve fought in this country. Perhaps a bloody nose from time to time serves the greater good.

Instead of the civil war you’re imagining imagine this one instead.

You’re standing over a ditch filled with women and children soaked in gasoline and preparing to burn them alive. A neighboring sectarian group mortared a local playground and this is retribution.

It wasn’t supposed to be like this you think to yourself. Originally our militia was based on the ideas of liberty and the constitution. But those were the early days. Some sociopaths rose to leadership in the militia around the same time the fight became as much about food as it did freedom. You thought about getting out, but a couple of your neighbors and good friends had the same idea and were discovered by the leadership. So they were executed after being forced to watch their families being publicly raped almost to death and then dismembered alive. Unfortunately, the security needed to keep your family alive means that your fortified town is just as much of a prison as it is a “freedom base”and since you’d been acting kinda funny lately leadership decided they would put you on this detail to see if you were still a part of the group.

So there you stand on the edge of a ditch almost deafened by the screams of women and children who are going to be burned to death wether or not you light them first. But if you don’t, something similar or more horrible is going to happen to your family while you watch. Before you yourself are treated to a similar fate.

So, if civil warring stills sounds like an awesome fun time after imagining that then have at it.

[RoyGBiv]

Mea culpa: I was willing to pre-shit on Biden, because, uncle Joe. Now that Sensei and BBI have pointed out the media’s take/stake in this teapot tempest, I’m embarrassed to have been caught up in my own internal jingoism.

I’ll still shit on Biden, because, uncle Joe... but not over this.

Yet again, shame on the "hands up, don’t shoot" media—on both sides. Someone famous once opined that "religion is the source of all mankind’s wars." Maybe... but now that outrage porn has become religion on both ends of the societal candle, the concept is gaining legs.

JMO.

#me2 :o

[Crash41984]

Instead of the civil war you’re imagining imagine this one instead.

You’re standing over a ditch filled with women and children soaked in gasoline and preparing to burn them alive. A neighboring sectarian group mortared a local playground and this is retribution.

It wasn’t supposed to be like this you think to yourself. Originally our militia was based on the ideas of liberty and the constitution. But those were the early days. Some sociopaths rose to leadership in the militia around the same time the fight became as much about food as it did freedom. You thought about getting out, but a couple of your neighbors and good friends had the same idea and were discovered by the leadership. So they were executed after being forced to watch their families being publicly raped almost to death and then dismembered alive. Unfortunately, the security needed to keep your family alive means that your fortified town is just as much of a prison as it is a “freedom base”and since you’d been acting kinda funny lately leadership decided they would put you on this detail to see if you were still a part of the group.

So there you stand on the edge of a ditch almost deafened by the screams of women and children who are going to be burned to death wether or not you light them first. But if you don’t, something similar or more horrible is going to happen to your family while you watch. Before you yourself are treated to a similar fate.

So, if civil warring stills sounds like an awesome fun time after imagining that then have at it.

Dude, thats F'd up like a football bat.

[WobblyPossum]

Dude, thats F'd up like a football bat.

And that’s the kind of stuff that happens in civil wars during the late 20th/early 21st century. I’m sticking with the “give peace a chance” folks.

[Yung]

Kudos to Sidheshooter for self-awareness. The Covington student smear still sticks fresh in my head.

I've mentioned it before, but the reading types of members should really check out a book called 'Ordinary Men'.

[Old Man Winter]

I get it, war is savage. It's also human nature.

For those who say blood isn't the answer, what is?

How do we bridge the two sides we've allowed ourselves to become? How do we force the branches of government to work as intended? How do we encourage people to pull together for the greater good? Most important, how do we make this happen in short order? The can has been kicked far enough down the road.

[Zincwarrior]

I get it, war is savage. It's also human nature.

For those who say blood isn't the answer, what is?

How do we bridge the two sides we've allowed ourselves to become? How do we force the branches of government to work as intended? How do we encourage people to pull together for the greater good? Most important, how do we make this happen in short order? The can has been kicked far enough down the road.

External threat. I nominate aliens. The only good three headed monster is a dead three headed monster. WE need to join together and build a massive space Freedom Force (TM) to defeat them.

[Matt O]

That story on the Dailywire is inaccurate and the video has been deceptively edited to make Biden seem to be calling for revolution. Here is a more honest description of Biden’s remarks along with an unedited video that portrays the full context.

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/17/biden-think-cant-work-side-might-well-start-physical-revolution/

It seems pretty clear that the reference towards revolution was a bit of sarcasm directed at hardline democrats who think that compromise is impossible with Republicans. He never seriously called for an actual revolution. The brass knuckle fight portion was a description of the instances where compromise was not possible and the POTUS needed to take the case before the American people to garner public support. Of course, that didn’t stop the Dailywire from splicing “revolution” and “brass knuckle fight” closer together to completely reverse the context of the message.

Oh well, I’m sad to see Ben Shapiro’s shop go the way of Brietbart into the bullshit abyss.

Indeed, I went and looked up the quote and it seemed a critique of his more extreme Democratic competitors, not an endorsement of revolution itself. I'm not a Biden fan by any stretch, but the Daily Wire's approach is bullshit and extremely unethical.

[blues]

I'm sorry. You folks took Biden's comments out of context. What he said was the Dems were revolting.

;)

[Joe in PNG]

Or here's one- which happens a LOT. You're fighting for the Leftist. You don't want to, and oppose everything they believe. But you and your family just happened to live on the other side of the line, and they gave you a choice- join, or watch your family get shot before you do.

You think about deserting, or rebelling from the inside, or similar... but the Zampolit is watching, and you've seen what happens to those who did something similar. Plus, they know who your wife is, who your kids are, who your parents are- and are more than happy to pay them back for what you might do. Best to do as you are told, and pretend to be 100% behind the Revolution.

This happened to a friend of mine who was in Romania back in 1989 by the way.

[the Schwartz]

I don't think so, because it won't look like Lexington. It'll look like the Murrah Federal Building.

There is no win for another civil war albeit I know righties cheering for it.

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With you 100% on this one JHC. Anyone who cheers for war (civil or otherwise) has not seen the brutality, waste and sorrow that always accompanies it.

Problem is, with both sides stoking wholesale division, it might be inevitable. It seems that playing to/with the public's anger (pick a topic, any topic ;) ) is the preferred tactic for getting the desired candidate into office or objective on the ballot. Consequences can be a real problem though and I think that the extremely polarized nature of discourse these days is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I pray that we never see more than what exists today and that we are at the height of this particular cycle, but my gut tells me otherwise.

Sick of the idiocy in DC and the general tone seen today that tolerance/equality is a 'must' so long as how it is administered is in agreement with the particular group/interest demanding it. Before anyone loses their minds over that; that sort of idiocy exists everywhere and without exception.

[feudist]

Back in the mid 80s Jeff Cooper called Biden the "Lickspittle lapdog of the lunatic left.

Still is.

[Kyle Reese]

Dude, thats F'd up like a football bat.Indeed, but 100% spot on regarding events that transpired in the Yugoslavian Wars of 1991-1999 and Iraq circa 2005-2008.

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

[Glenn E. Meyer]

IIRC another intent was that a 'well regulated militia' would allow the Federal Government to maintain a very small, standing army since the citizens could mob into a militia if anyone made it past the US Navy.

This is the other half of the 2nd Amendment that seems to be mostly ignored.

In the time of the Revolution and writing of the BOR, the Navy was not an anti-invasion force. If anything, the strategy were ships to protect US interests overseas and if forced to fight, probably the British, to act as commerce raiders as a deterrent. The idea of a powerful navy (not counting the costal and river forces of the Civil War) didn't start to occur until the later part of the 19th Cent.

[ralph]

With you 100% on this one JHC. Anyone who cheers for war (civil or otherwise) has not seen the brutality, waste and sorrow that always accompanies it.

Problem is, with both sides stoking wholesale division, it might be inevitable. It seems that playing to/with the public's anger (pick a topic, any topic ;) ) is the preferred tactic for getting the desired candidate into office or objective on the ballot. Consequences can be a real problem though and I think that the extremely polarized nature of discourse these days is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I pray that we never see more than what exists today and that we are at the height of this particular cycle, but my gut tells me otherwise.

Sick of the idiocy in DC and the general tone seen today that tolerance/equality is a 'must' so long as how it is administered is in agreement with the particular group/interest demanding it. Before anyone loses their minds over that; that sort of idiocy exists everywhere and without exception.


The logical solution would be term limits for congress, but good luck with that, the pigs are not willingly leaving the feeding trough. Then there's the idea of splitting the country up lefties on one side, righties on the other..big fence(wall) in between.(A rather simple view to a complex problem, I know) But the problem with that is, that just as soon as the lefties crash their economy, (and it would'nt take long) they're going to come for what the righties have, So, you're back to square one..

I guess the best we could hope for is for the left to keep pushing extreme lefty ideals, and at the same time chasing their voting base away, that has a real chance of happening..

[TGS]

I get it, war is savage. It's also human nature.


For those who say blood isn't the answer, what is?


Uhh, idk, to wake up tomorrow and go to work, not be a dick, and just keep living life? Set some short term goals, and a 5 year plan? Put away money for retirement? Plan a vacation?


How do we bridge the two sides we've allowed ourselves to become? How do we force the branches of government to work as intended? How do we encourage people to pull together for the greater good? Most important, how do we make this happen in short order? The can has been kicked far enough down the road.

Dude, we are nowhere near needing or even primed for a fucking armed civil war.

Get the fuck out of here with that retarded shit. Go out into the real world and stop ingesting this bullshit called "media" from both the left and right.

[Joe in PNG]

Here's another one. The war is over, your side won- and yet, you're in a concentration camp right about to be executed. "Anti-revolutionary" activity is the charge, even though you've supported the revolution since before it started. "This has to be a mistake" is what you keep thinking up until the bullet hits.

Because, the first thing that follows a successful revolution is the shooting of the revolutionaries (excepting those proven personally loyal to the leader). Because they started one, and could do it again. Especially those true believers who actually believe the ideals that the revolution is supposed to be for.

[Drang]

Instead of the civil war you’re imagining imagine this one instead.

You’re standing over a ditch filled with women and children soaked in gasoline and preparing to burn them alive. A neighboring sectarian group mortared a local playground and this is retribution.

It wasn’t supposed to be like this you think to yourself. Originally our militia was based on the ideas of liberty and the constitution. But those were the early days. Some sociopaths rose to leadership in the militia around the same time the fight became as much about food as it did freedom. You thought about getting out, but a couple of your neighbors and good friends had the same idea and were discovered by the leadership. So they were executed after being forced to watch their families being publicly raped almost to death and then dismembered alive. Unfortunately, the security needed to keep your family alive means that your fortified town is just as much of a prison as it is a “freedom base”and since you’d been acting kinda funny lately leadership decided they would put you on this detail to see if you were still a part of the group.

So there you stand on the edge of a ditch almost deafened by the screams of women and children who are going to be burned to death wether or not you light them first. But if you don’t, something similar or more horrible is going to happen to your family while you watch. Before you yourself are treated to a similar fate.

So, if civil warring stills sounds like an awesome fun time after imagining that then have at it.


Dude, thats F'd up like a football bat.

Talk to anyone that deployed to the Balkans.

[Joe in PNG]

Talk to anyone that deployed to the Balkans.

Study the history of, say, the Spanish Civil war as well. Or a good number of civil wars & revolutions- including our own Civil War.

[Old Man Winter]

Uhh, idk, to wake up tomorrow and go to work, not be a dick, and just keep living life? Set some short term goals, and a 5 year plan? Put away money for retirement? Plan a vacation?

Sounds like a good path to be on. It doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.


Dude, we are nowhere near needing or even primed for a fucking armed civil war.

Get the fuck out of here with that retarded shit. Go out into the real world and stop ingesting this bullshit called "media" from both the left and right.

My media consumption is extremely limited as I live in a rural area and cut the cord long ago. We don't have a tv antenna, much less cable tv. Our internet is slow which makes streaming unreliable. On occasion I'll check out a propaganda site but not often. People don't need media from either side to know the current path leads us all over a cliff.

At some point you can't kick the can down the road.

[Lex Luthier]

Indeed, but 100% spot on regarding events that transpired in the Yugoslavian Wars of 1991-1999 and Iraq circa 2005-2008.

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

I've a Bosnian muslim friend who lasted through the entire siege of Sarajevo. He nods at this post. Thankfully he, his daughter, and his parents made it through. But they know hundreds who didn't.

[Shoresy]

I'm sorry. You folks took Biden's comments out of context. What he said was the Dems were revolting.

;)

You said it! They stink on ice!

On a more serious note, almost to a person (can't think of any notable exceptions) everyone I've come across who thinks that Balkanization or the kick off of Civil War Part Deux is a good thing is also wholly unfamiliar (or often willfully ignorant) of the unpleasant/inhuman aspects that come part and parcel with it.

[Drang]

That story on the Dailywire is inaccurate and the video has been deceptively edited to make Biden seem to be calling for revolution. Here is a more honest description of Biden’s remarks along with an unedited video that portrays the full context...

Thing is... what sound bite gets picked up and disseminated? You got it: "Physical revolooootion!"

[BehindBlueI's]

For those who say blood isn't the answer, what is?


Step 1: Ignore the media.
Step 2: Ignore social media.
Step 3: Get outside and meet some real people.

[pooty]

I get it, war is savage. It's also human nature.

For those who say blood isn't the answer, what is?

How do we bridge the two sides we've allowed ourselves to become? How do we force the branches of government to work as intended? How do we encourage people to pull together for the greater good? Most important, how do we make this happen in short order? The can has been kicked far enough down the road.

There isn't any bridge to be built, we need an amicable divorce. The borders more or less exist for it along the Appalachian and Sierra Nevada mountains

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[blues]

There isn't any bridge to be built, we need an amicable divorce. The borders more or less exist for it along the Appalachian and Sierra Nevada mountains

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Disagree.

[Singlestack Wonder]

Fuck Biden and all the other socia/fascist dems......Trump’s 2020 kick-off tonight was WINNING!

Maybe he doesn’t always state the facts it correctly or perhaps he reacts when he shouldn’t, BUT he is 100% pro-American.....

[Old Man Winter]

There isn't any bridge to be built, we need an amicable divorce. The borders more or less exist for it along the Appalachian and Sierra Nevada mountains

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You will generate more bloodshed with this approach. People aren't going to uproot their lives and give up their property without a fight. As others have mentioned you can forget life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness if you reside in the wrong place.

[pooty]

If separation is a gradual process, I don't see why it should be violent in any way. Besides these days most Americans have moved at least once. While the meme map delineates by state lines, I think partition along county lines makes more sense. The Blue cities wouldn't take the Red, rural parts of the other states with them, remaining with the Constitutional Republic.

[HCM]

Study the history of, say, the Spanish Civil war as well. Or a good number of civil wars & revolutions- including our own Civil War.

Lots of people study our civil war. Study our reconstruction period as well. It looked an awful lot like the Balkans, post invasion Iraq etc.

[HCM]

Instead of the civil war you’re imagining imagine this one instead.

You’re standing over a ditch filled with women and children soaked in gasoline and preparing to burn them alive. A neighboring sectarian group mortared a local playground and this is retribution.

It wasn’t supposed to be like this you think to yourself. Originally our militia was based on the ideas of liberty and the constitution. But those were the early days. Some sociopaths rose to leadership in the militia around the same time the fight became as much about food as it did freedom. You thought about getting out, but a couple of your neighbors and good friends had the same idea and were discovered by the leadership. So they were executed after being forced to watch their families being publicly raped almost to death and then dismembered alive. Unfortunately, the security needed to keep your family alive means that your fortified town is just as much of a prison as it is a “freedom base”and since you’d been acting kinda funny lately leadership decided they would put you on this detail to see if you were still a part of the group.

So there you stand on the edge of a ditch almost deafened by the screams of women and children who are going to be burned to death wether or not you light them first. But if you don’t, something similar or more horrible is going to happen to your family while you watch. Before you yourself are treated to a similar fate.

So, if civil warring stills sounds like an awesome fun time after imagining that then have at it.

Time is a flat circle. This has happened before and it will happen again. The idiots on both sides wanting “revolution” or “The Bugaloo” have no idea about the reality of war, much less civil war.

BTW, what do you think China, Russia, Mexico etc will be doing while we fight among ourselves.

[wvincent]

Time is a flat circle. This has happened before and it will happen again. The idiots on both sides wanting “revolution” or “The Bugaloo” have no idea about the reality of war, much less civil war.

BTW, what do you think China, Russia, Mexico etc will be doing while we fight among ourselves.

Ummm, sending in "Peace Keepers" (cough, cough) of course. You know, help restore order and shit.
Our decent into that kind of chaos would be their wet dream.

[Suvorov]

I've a Bosnian muslim friend who lasted through the entire siege of Sarajevo. He nods at this post. Thankfully he, his daughter, and his parents made it through. But they know hundreds who didn't.

My wife’s family and many friends were on the other side and it wasn’t pretty for them either - then they got bombed by NATO. Point is - even the “winning side” still gets ducked (spell check).

Our civil war was really a state’s war and other than in the frontier- stayed pretty civil as opposed to most true civil wars and revolutions.

As HCM stated - things go around and there is always going to be a tendency to kill the other side to make things right. Problem is that even with a good white washing of history things are really ugly from a human point of view. But one thing that made our revolution special is that we were able to put together a pretty good system after the fact - it doesn’t work that way most of the time.

If this “war” happens then whichever side wins - America has lost.

[45dotACP]

People been ready to overthrow the government ever since Daniel Shays.

Spoiler alert: It's not really a thing and if you were successful, you'd probably just fuck it up even worse.

Then you would get both revolution, and America split into several nation states as China, Russia, and the UN all rush in to annex various parts.

Sorry threeper...try again.

Maybe instead, take someone shooting, grab a coffee, have a conversation, smoke a joint whatever.

Show "them" you're not a "them" and you might be surprised to know they're probably not actually a "them" either. Maybe just a worried father or mother who hopes their family gets a fair shake. By no means some monster in need of rape and pillage.

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[Joe in PNG]

Ummm, sending in "Peace Keepers" (cough, cough) of course. You know, help restore order and shit.
Our decent into that kind of chaos would be their wet dream.

I suspect that it would be less an opportunity to try to annex territory*, but more an opportunity to sell weapons and send "advisors" in exchange for resources.

*Annexing territory is mostly a sucker's game, especially if the place is a long way away, you don't have a historic claim, and is filled with people who aren't ethnically similar. Mexico could and would be able to get away with it. China & Russia would not.

[mtnbkr]

I suspect that it would be less an opportunity to try to annex territory*, but more an opportunity to sell weapons and send "advisors" in exchange for resources.

*Annexing territory is mostly a sucker's game, especially if the place is a long way away, you don't have a historic claim, and is filled with people who aren't ethnically similar. Mexico could and would be able to get away with it. China & Russia would not.

China and Russia doing that would probably unite everyone against the "foreign invaders". As you said, Mexico would probably get away with it, especially in the border states, because that's practically Mexico culturally speaking.

Chris

[Zincwarrior]

There isn't any bridge to be built, we need an amicable divorce. The borders more or less exist for it along the Appalachian and Sierra Nevada mountains

39203
In about five years (or maybe now) that map will need revising. Texas is turning purple. The Austin Containment Wall has been breached, and Californians are spilling out all over the state!:cool:

[Suvorov]

In about five years (or maybe now) that map will need revising. Texas is turning purple. The Austin Containment Wall has been breached, and Californians are spilling out all over the state!:cool:

Interestingly enough - a recent poll I saw indicated that a higher percentage of native born Texans voted for Beto against Cruz, than the percentage of Kalifornia refugees......

But yes - I fear Texas is lost.....

[the Schwartz]

The logical solution would be term limits for congress, but good luck with that, the pigs are not willingly leaving the feeding trough. Then there's the idea of splitting the country up lefties on one side, righties on the other..big fence(wall) in between.(A rather simple view to a complex problem, I know) But the problem with that is, that just as soon as the lefties crash their economy, (and it would'nt take long) they're going to come for what the righties have, So, you're back to square one..

I guess the best we could hope for is for the left to keep pushing extreme lefty ideals, and at the same time chasing their voting base away, that has a real chance of happening..

Along those lines, if the Left ever hired me as a consultant (like that'd ever happen ;) ), I'd have told them to take the moral high road and work with Trump allowing them to demonstrate that they could rise above the usual antics in DC rather than continue to flog the dead horse that is the endless investigation of every possible thing. It is not like Trump hasn't offered and even tried to work with the Dems; they'll hand him the ''win'' though by 'stiff-arming' him at every turn and continuing on with the usual DC silliness. By refusing to come to the table, they come off as nothing more than obstructionists for the sake of doing so. As I have said before, there are no adults in DC. Just different grades of childishness exhibited by all actors every day.

[oakdalecurtis]

39215

[Zincwarrior]

39215

Please re-read post #31.

[OlongJohnson]

Interestingly enough - a recent poll I saw indicated that a higher percentage of native born Texans voted for Beto against Cruz, than the percentage of Kalifornia refugees......

But yes - I fear Texas is lost.....

This was reasonably well reported, at least I heard about it in the months after the election. It's generally the case that what's keeping Texas red is the refugees from blue states who experienced the darkness there and moved here to get away from it. Most people in Texas grow up urban or suburban, and as already discussed at length, that tends to generate a left-leaning outlook on the world. DB talked at length in the recent P&S modcast about how Texas now looks a lot like California in the '80s and '90s.

Cruz was recently the Sunday guest on Shapiro's show, and had some thoughts about what made the difference in changing Cali from the land of Reagan to what it is now.

[pooty]

oakdalecurtis

I got not way to prove this but I'm pretty sure the the lower half of that picture represents a lot of the actors in state and national level GOP, vs the top half.

For instance, the S.C. Republican party.

[Jeep]

Many years ago I worked in the Senate (as the most junior employee of the Senate--nevertheless I got paid, which is why I was there).

Joe Biden was known as the dumbest man in the Senate. I am told that in his home state he is called "America's guest" because he never pays for anything if it is at all possible (including, among other things, pizzas, plumbing repairs and pets, just to use some of the words starting with "P"). He sells houses at shockingly high prices and buys them at shockingly low prices from campaign contributors.

He is known for loudly saying "do you know who I am?" to airline clerks. He kisses up and kicks down. His peers love him--those who work for him get to see another side. Girls at the high school he went to warn each other to avoid being caught alone in a room with him (he visits frequently) at all costs.

He is also given to trying to show the swamp denizens of Washington how he is a tough guy. He wants them to believe he grew up in tough, working-class circumstance (which he didn't--his father was a successful car salesman and Joe was thoroughly middle class).

Joe Biden has more flat spots than most people. And he could try to come across as a tough guy talking about "revolution." But he isn't a tough guy, doesn't want a revolution and is no direct physical threat to any of us. He is a member of America's establishment and doesn't want to change anything fundamental (even if some of his policies would gut the economy, unlike Bernie that would not be their goal).

I don't like Joe and I'd worry about him as President because he makes so many mistakes (though I agree with many of Trump's policies, I worry about him for the same reason). But cause a revolution or civil war? No. At least he would never purposely do that. Nor is he a thug at heart. Harris, Warren and Sanders all have at least something of an inner thug. Biden does not--spoiled and entitled, but not a thug.

[blues]

Jeep

Thanks for that analysis and point of view. It's good to get the facts from someone one respects. Can't say I'm particularly surprised, but it's still disappointing.

[Jeep]

Jeep

Thanks for that analysis and point of view. It's good to get the facts from someone one respects. Can't say I'm particularly surprised, but it's still disappointing.

I think that the truth is most politicians are disappointing. They are ordinary people with a gift of persuading others and most are in politics to gratify their egos. There tends to be little there, there, and you can never rely on the media to tell you the truth.

If we go back some decades, Adalai Stevenson was called the "thinking man's candidate." The intellectuals and media loved him, and treated him as a genius, comparing him to the inarticulate Eisenhower. In fact, Eisenhower was considered in the Army to be a brilliant staff officer and was promoted to head SHAPE because he was the brightest of his generation. And Stevenson? When he died, there was only one book in his room--"The Social Register." Stevenson was a very good actor, and could act the part of an intellectual but had an extremely mediocre mind. Eisenhower wasn't an actor (though he said of his time working for MacArthur that he had "studied acting for four years under MacArthur") and believed in OPSEC so his comments to the media came across as being inarticulate.

I thought Joe Biden could have beaten Trump in 2016, but I doubt he can beat him now. Biden is clearly feeling the effects of age far more than Trump. But while I'd worry about what he did when he took office (stuff even stupider than some of Trumps tweets), I would not worry about him sending the thought police to round us up. Harris, Sanders and Warren have much more of the Jacobin in them.

[littlejerry]

But would Biden fire a warning shot first?

[blues]

But would Biden fire a warning shot first?

He's a shotgun man. You only have to rack 'em to get your message across.


:rolleyes:

[HCM]

More saber rattling in OR: to

Send bachelors and come heavily armed’: GOP state senator responds to Gov. Brown’s police threat

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/send-bachelors-and-come-heavily-armed-gop-state-senator-responds-to-gov-browns-police-threat/283-a8ccf820-32e4-44df-b81c-2f8df92919ff

[Jeep]

More saber rattling in OR: to

Send bachelors and come heavily armed’: GOP state senator responds to Gov. Brown’s police threat

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/send-bachelors-and-come-heavily-armed-gop-state-senator-responds-to-gov-browns-police-threat/283-a8ccf820-32e4-44df-b81c-2f8df92919ff

You know, every time I figure that Republican politicians are a bunch of useless idiots, the Dems do something truly outrageous that makes you question whether they are simply totalitarians.

This dispute in Oregon is on "cap and trade." The Dems in Oregon want to impose a cap and trade regime in Oregon to raise lots of tax money and reduce CO2 emissions.

Now the truth is that Oregon's forests probably serve as a CO2 sink as they absorb CO2, and there is a very good chance that Oregon produces less CO2 than it absorbs. Moreover, even if one accepts that CO2 emissions are going to destroy the world (indirectly--the full theory is that the CO2 will cause greatly increased methane and water vapor, and those more potent greenhouse gasses will destroy the world), the truth is that Oregon's CO2 emissions are so slight on the global scale that reducing them will make absolutely no difference as China, India and the third world vastly increase their own. Oregon's CO2 won't be even a rounding error.

Nevertheless, Oregon is full of Greens (who mainly live in the cities, of course), and it is an article of faith to Greens that everyone needs to reduce their CO2 emissions. They don't plan to cut their own use of electricity of course. Instead they have put forward this cap and trade plan--a plan that will over time devastate the economies of many rural areas since their own industries are not profitable enough to take the extra burden of what, in effect, is a very complex tax.

In other words, this is a plan supported by the people who live in the cities, whose effect will largely be felt by rural people, and which will do no material environmental good. In crude political terms, it is a potentially crippling tax being levied by Dems on Reps because they can do so.

I can't blame rural Oregonians for resenting this, and personally I resent the Dems' constant efforts to impose their desired changes on others. They want us to impoverish ourselves with taxes so they can transfer the money to their voters, they want to push our standard of living down, treat many of us as members of suspect--and disfavored-classes, and load tons of new regulations on us--including, of course, taking away our guns.

None (or at least few) of their plans will do much, if any, good--we have seen failure after failure over the last 50 years--and most are about them controlling the rest of us and telling us what to do.

In the end, they are going to force me to vote for Trump again (I know he is popular with many here; while I agree with much of what he has done I truly dislike how he does things) and I don't think I will ever forgive the Dems for that.

--End of rant--

[blues]

You know, every time I figure that Republican politicians are a bunch of useless idiots, the Dems do something truly outrageous that makes you question whether they are simply totalitarians.

I knew we got along for a reason...

I've been ranting all week to the poor missus and the dog about the hypocrisy of the Dems / Left, all the more because I wish there was some reasonable alternative to some of the b.s. coming from the R's and the (so called) "Right".

The slogan I've made up in my mind for the Left / Dems this week is: Diversity & Inclusiveness through Uniformity & Submission.

(In other words, their so called (sham) diversity and inclusiveness extends only to those who believe as they do. Diversity through homogeneity. All others need not apply. :rolleyes:)

On top of this, watching them (self-righteously) devour their own this week has been pretty telling. (At least with Trump there's no subtlety to his personal attack on his opponents, whether based in fact or complete b.s.)

I ain't havin' it. And I'm betting most of us here aren't either.

[Bart Carter]

...The slogan I've made up in my mind for the Left / Dems this week is: Diversity & Inclusiveness through Uniformity & Submission...

And a perfect example of this is how hard they dismiss conservative women and conservative non-white males as not being worthy of representing their respective points of view.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

He's a shotgun man. You only have to rack 'em to get your message across.


:rolleyes:

He is a double barrel blowhard. The man is an idiot. He suffers from the same old man idiocy that Trump does.

[Bart Carter]

He is a double barrel blowhard. The man is an idiot. He suffers from the same old man idiocy that Trump does.

Crap! I am Trump's age. I guess it's over for me. :eek:

[blues]

Crap! I am Trump's age. I guess it's over for me. :eek:

"Old Fart" Carter...yep, knew him back during the Trump days, by golly...

(No worries, you can see me coming in your rear view mirror. That insignificant speck on the distant horizon.)

;)

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Crap! I am Trump's age. I guess it's over for me. :eek:

I am Trump's age. I have a great number of highly educated extremely stable genius friends. We know the problems of physical age, loss of mental acuity and emotional instability that comes with age. We are smart enough not to be true believers but trained in empirical methods to evaluate various situations. We are left wing, centrists and right wing nuts in orientation. We all agree that the country doesn't need old farts in their seventies.

If you want to work - be a greeter at WalMart or flip burgers like many of the poorer folks in this age group that I see now.

Biden, Bernie, Trump - go watch Golden Girls repeats and let some young folks (who are less likely to drop dead taking a dump) have a chance.

[Wondering Beard]

Diversity & Inclusiveness through Uniformity & Submission.


George Orwell would be proud of you.

[blues]

George Orwell would be proud of you.

I'll take that as a true compliment, WB. Thank you, my friend.

(Unrelated, but it reminded me of a compliment from 1975 which came to me from Mary Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway's widow, whom I had the honor to assist with the purchase of a beautiful handmade Adirondack canoe to be shipped to Margaux and Mariel in Ketchum, Idaho. She told me "Papa would have liked you." I couldn't stop beaming all day.)

[Wondering Beard]

I'll take that as a true compliment, WB. Thank you, my friend.

(Unrelated, but it reminded me of a compliment from 1975 which came to me from Mary Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway's widow, whom I had the honor to assist with the purchase of a beautiful handmade Adirondack canoe to be shipped to Margaux and Mariel in Ketchum, Idaho. She told me "Papa would have liked you." I couldn't stop beaming all day.)

And you should take it as such :-)

You did better for the Hemingways than I did for Maria Felix.

[Bart Carter]

I am Trump's age. I have a great number of highly educated extremely stable genius friends. We know the problems of physical age, loss of mental acuity and emotional instability that comes with age. We are smart enough not to be true believers but trained in empirical methods to evaluate various situations. We are left wing, centrists and right wing nuts in orientation. We all agree that the country doesn't need old farts in their seventies.

If you want to work - be a greeter at WalMart or flip burgers like many of the poorer folks in this age group that I see now.

Biden, Bernie, Trump - go watch Golden Girls repeats and let some young folks (who are less likely to drop dead taking a dump) have a chance.

So, are you and your friends retired or greeters at WalMart?

I can't do either as I have 26 people depending on me for a paycheck and the hope of a better future. Maybe some old farts in their seventies can still be useful.

[hufnagel]

I am Trump's age. I have a great number of highly educated extremely stable genius friends. We know the problems of physical age, loss of mental acuity and emotional instability that comes with age. We are smart enough not to be true believers but trained in empirical methods to evaluate various situations. We are left wing, centrists and right wing nuts in orientation. We all agree that the country doesn't need old farts in their seventies.

If you want to work - be a greeter at WalMart or flip burgers like many of the poorer folks in this age group that I see now.

Biden, Bernie, Trump - go watch Golden Girls repeats and let some young folks (who are less likely to drop dead taking a dump) have a chance.

Dude... President Trump is in WAY better shape than Elvis was.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

That's funny. We are not greeters because we were lucky enough to get good positions that led to decent retirement. However, when I see people my age being supermarket employees, I have to feel sympathetic.

I return to the basic point that while older folks can work and contribute, we are better served than with the current geezer president and set of geezer opponents.

Biden is a liar. Trump is a liar. Neither understand the 2nd Amend. We can do better. Sorry, true believers of any party.

[ralph]

I am Trump's age. I have a great number of highly educated extremely stable genius friends. We know the problems of physical age, loss of mental acuity and emotional instability that comes with age. We are smart enough not to be true believers but trained in empirical methods to evaluate various situations. We are left wing, centrists and right wing nuts in orientation. We all agree that the country doesn't need old farts in their seventies.

If you want to work - be a greeter at WalMart or flip burgers like many of the poorer folks in this age group that I see now.

Biden, Bernie, Trump - go watch Golden Girls repeats and let some young folks (who are less likely to drop dead taking a dump) have a chance.

Another good argument for term limits..

[Glenn E. Meyer]

True. The sleaze of Schumer, Biden, Graham and McConnell would be replaced by younger sleaze bags.

[ralph]

True. The sleaze of Schumer, Biden, Graham and McConnell would be replaced by younger sleaze bags.

Yup, but with term limits, that would limit the amount of damage they could do, as it is now, everyone in your quote above, has several decades of self enrichment behind them, at the taxpayers expense, of course..

[Jeep]

Biden is a liar. Trump is a liar. We can do better.

There you go, proving that you really old guys are losing your marbles (unlike us young, vigorous 60-somethings).

The sad truth is that we can't do better because decent people no longer are willing to put up with what it takes. Trump, the Twitter champ, will be the GOP candidate (the others running might be even worse than he is), and every single Dem. candidate who I know anything about is only fit to be the passenger in a clown car.

They are all bad. They are all ignorant, pandering fools who want to vastly increase the powers of the federal government to tax, regulate and control us.

In other words, it is clown cars all around, full of pompous, preening and entitled lightweights.

And, if Trump wins (which I think he might), in 2024 both parties will be putting forward masses of pompous and preening clown car riders.

When we threw out our Constitution and gave the federal government unlimited powers over us and created the beginnings of an imperial Presidency, we guaranteed this result. The only good things are that our clown-Emperors can only stay in power for 8 years each, and that they get elected (admittedly in increasingly fraudulent elections) rather than anointed by the military and secret service. Fraudulent elections are better than civil wars for choosing new clown-Emperors.

The only way out of this mess is to go back to the old Constitution of limited powers and a very limited executive. That system attracted some highly qualified candidates as well as clown car riders. Of course, that will never happen. Too many people depend on the new Constitution's way of doing things to ever allow us to meaningfully cut the power of the federal government and banish the idiots who know how to run our lives better than we do to productive employment.

[blues]

In other words, it is clown cars all around, full of pompous, preening and entitled lightweights.



To paraphrase Stealers Wheel:

Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right...here we are...

(How apropos that they thought to include both "left" and "right".)