New Aftermarket Glock 19 from Shadow Systems

[Tokarev]

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/product/mr918-combat/

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/product/mr918-elite/

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/mr918/

Here's something fairly new to market. I haven't seen these discussed yet and apologize in advance if there's an existing thread.

Anyway, the pistol(s) in question appear to be a Nomad Defense Gen4 19 frame coupled with a Shadow Systems slide and barrel. Factory spring weights are being used with the exception of a Taran Tactical connector.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OopBKv9Yrr8

I really like the idea of the permanent beavertail and wish Glock would do something like this on their pistols. Price seems good for the features. I might have to pick one of these up.

[Bigghoss]

Looks good, dig the frame. Probably more features than I need or want but for under $900, I might be curious enough to give it a try. Or at least I would if I carried a Glock at work and was all-in on the platform.

[Magsz]

Looks like a really solid option for those of us that have a love hate relationship with Glock OEM frames.

[Tokarev]

I sent Nomad Defense an email right after I started this thread to ask about the Shadow frame. Despite some styling similarities Nomad says the frame is not made by them.


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[Tokarev]

Reading is fundamental even in the age of the internet.

This is right off the Shadow website:

The frame has been in development for 2 years and is 100% a Shadow System design, and not a rebrand of another frame already on the market. The frame makes use of new manufacturing techniques to wrap more texture around the curves of the frame and put grip in places not normally seen on production guns

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[Darth_Uno]

Hmmmm....I see their slides have a much deeper cut for the RMR, allowing you to use their (and I’d assume other) sights without jumping up to full .315” suppressor/cowitness sights. Interesting...

I use OEM when I can, but I have their parts kits in two of my slides and they’ve been fine, in case anyone saw the kits on Brownells and wondered if they’re any good.

[Tokarev]

There's one of the Combat models on gunbroker for $800. Kind of pricey for what's essentially a Glock 19 with a tritium front sight.

With that said, the gun does appeal to me in that the frame has a permanent beavertail and what I think are fairly tasteful lines. The front and rear serrations look aggressive but hopefully they're not so sharp that they chew up holsters. I like the undercut trigger guard too. As a whole the gun is probably not a bad value in the custom Glock market.

I guess I need to get a price quite from a local shop and see what the price might be for a Combat model with the RMR cut and black barrel.

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[Tokarev]

Not my photo. I cropped out most of the knife. This is pistol forum not knife forum. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190513/c65cc32634a04435c6db382a18e36b3d.jpg

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[Texaspoff]

I put my hands on one of these yesterday. I was very impressed with it. The polymer frame feels super solid. Hard to explain, but there is nothing cheap feeling about it at all. It feels like the polymer that is used on the Springfield XD. That isn't a bad thing as the XD is a very durable polymer despite what people think about the pistol. The texturing is very nice, and there were no mold marks of any kind anywhere on it.

The slide finish is a nice flat greyish finish, and the machine work is clean with no tooling marks. The one I saw had the TiN barrel and was very nice, even though the color isn't my thing.

Slide to frame fit, was perfect. No movement, lockup was very good for a glock style pistol. Trigger was no worse than any other glock, felt like a typical 4th Gen trigger to me. Flat trigger is nice, though. It isn't a competition trigger, but feel like a good solid workable trigger.

Trigger guard undercuts and memory cuts were very nice. The trigger guard is radiused as well which is nice for folks that use gloves. There is also a nice recess in the frame to allow trigger finger clearance. That was a very nice touch.

The pistol fit perfectly in my Safariland 6378 ALS holster, so I suspect it will fit in just about every other G19 holster.


IMO their design is where a factory Glock should be with their design at this point in the game. The gun felt like a glock, only with better ergos and attention to details.


Shadows Systems did it right with this one, at least as far as the pistol itself. I have no idea how it shoots, or it's reliability. From what I have seen and read, they appear to be as reliable as any glock. Long term I have no idea how their polymer will hold up. I don't see why it won't last the lifetime of the shooter. Reinforcements are where they should be, and nothing looked cheap or like corners were cut.

If the one I saw would have had the black DLC barrel and RMR cut, it would have gone home with me.


I would definitely take a look at one of these. Especially if your just looking for something a little different, but still want something Glock like.

I have been doing work on Glocks for a long time, and honestly, I couldn't find a single thing that would or could be done to it to improve it. Other than make a crossover 19X version with a full size frame and short slide. The advantage to Shadow Systems, is they are still a relatively small company, and have the ability to try out different things without a ton of red tape to deal with.

I see good things for them in the future, especially if the MR series guns prove to be a solid, reliable long term platform. And the most important thing..... They are made right here in Texas. :)

[Tokarev]

... is where a factory Glock should be with their design at this point in the game. The gun felt like a glock, only with better ergos and attention to details. ...




I agree with this and it is why I'm interested in this pistol.

Hard to argue with Glock being that everyone makes holsters, sights, accessories for it. Did anyone ever expect to see Magpul Glock mags?




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[Shawnw]

Any idea if it will accept an SCD?

[Texaspoff]

Any idea if it will accept an SCD?

I would venture to say it would.

TXPO

[Shawnw]

Unexpectedly, this is being sold via BassPro. Even more unexpected, this is in stock at my local store. I know how I’m spending my lunch break tomorrow. Will report back.

[Tokarev]

Glock Perfection....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190516/db420d1478a6a323e22b2eeebbeae639.jpg

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[Texaspoff]

Glock Perfection....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190516/db420d1478a6a323e22b2eeebbeae639.jpg

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Got several of those Glock scars myself. Welcome to the club...:)



TXPO

[Tokarev]

Got several of those Glock scars myself. Welcome to the club...:)



TXPOHeck anyone with decent meat hooks and/or an aggressive grip gets these tracks at some point. It ain't no secret.

Glock can't fix it?

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[Texaspoff]

Heck anyone with decent meat hooks and/or an aggressive grip gets these tracks at some point. It ain't no secret.

Glock can't fix it?

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You limp wristed it, or use another brand of ammo.... :rolleyes:

In all seriousness if they just added a small beavertail extension like the aftermarket companies are doing with their frame, that would fix it for most.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

...if they just added a small beavertail extension like the aftermarket companies are doing that would fix it for most.



TXPO

Exactly.

It took five generations to add an ambi slide release to catch Glock up with the rest of the market. What gen will we have to reach before we see a small permanent beavertail?

Few would be upset with the change. Those who are could always have Boresight Solutions et al cut the extension off.

As I said earlier; it is hard to argue with the design in terms of reliability and aftermarket support. Thankfully that now includes affordable complete pistols.

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[Magsz]

Unexpectedly, this is being sold via BassPro. Even more unexpected, this is in stock at my local store. I know how I’m spending my lunch break tomorrow. Will report back.

Wait..what?!

That's unexpected lol! Where is your Bass Pro located? I wonder if mine has the pistol. Id love to put hands on one.

[Texaspoff]

Wait..what?!

That's unexpected lol! Where is your Bass Pro located? I wonder if mine has the pistol. Id love to put hands on one.

Go to shadow systems website and the dealer locator. They shipped to numerous bass pro shops. That's where I saw it, and most of the bass pro shops here in the Houston area have them in stock.

It is an impressive pistol, but to the average joe walking in wanting to buy a Glock, probably aren't going to gravitate towards this. This pistol will be soaked up by shooters who know and are familiar with Glocks, and want something semi-custom/semi factory, that addresses their shortcomings.

I'm having an extremely hard time not going back to my Bass Pro shop and purchasing one, gold TiN barrel and all.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

I'm having an extremely hard time not going back to my Bass Pro shop and purchasing one, gold TiN barrel and all.


TXPO

The one that interests me is the one they don't make. That would be RMR cut with black barrel.

I saw the dealer locator on the website and was pleased to see a local shop listed. I called the shop but the sales guy had absolutely no clue what I was talking about. I think maybe I'll call back tomorrow (or maybe just head over there this weekend) and see if I can talk to someone more knowledgeable.

I did call my "local" Bass Pro and found they do have a 918 Combat in stock. The fellow told me they did have the Elite but it already sold. Too bad my "local" Bass Pro is 2+ hours up the road. I really do want to check one of these out.



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[Texaspoff]

The one that interests me is the one they don't make. That would be RMR cut with black barrel.

I saw the dealer locator on the website and was pleased to see a local shop listed. I called the shop but the sales guy had absolutely no clue what I was talking about. I think maybe I'll call back tomorrow (or maybe just head over there this weekend) and see if I can talk to someone more knowledgeable.

I did call my "local" Bass Pro and found they do have a 918 Combat in stock. The fellow told me they did have the Elite but it already sold. Too bad my "local" Bass Pro is 2+ hours up the road. I really do want to check one of these out.



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Actually they do make that version it just doesn’t show on their website. I talked to one of there guys yesterday and he told me he was going to fix it so it does show up.



TXPO

[Thn9mm]

I was fortunate to acquire a Shadow Systems Elite MR918 on Monday from Bass Pro, which is selling it for $100 less than the Shadow Systems’ own website. With taxes, it came to $1039- DEAL! I echo previous comments regarding the quality of this pistol. I have not shot it yet but can attest to the build quality. I replaced two parts; the trigger (more on that later) and the Slide lock. Otherwise, the gun is perfect.
Here are some photos of the pistol quality, and some comparisons with my other customized Glocks.

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Notice how low the RMR sits on the Shadow slide compared to the other milled slides. I can see the regular sights over the lower placed RMR and do not need Suppressor BUIS. I attached the smallest backstrap in the photo, which makes the grip angle like a 1911. I wear small gloves for comparison. I do not have to adjust my grip to activate the magazine release.

[Shawnw]

I was fortunate to acquire a Shadow Systems Elite MR918 on Monday from Bass Pro, which is selling it for $100 less than the Shadow Systems’ own website. With taxes, it came to $1039- DEAL!

Don’t forget the best benefit of buying at Basspro, discount gift cards. Current discount is 14%, seen it as high as 20%.
Puts the elite at $878 out the door in FL.

Anyway I swung by my Basspro and checked them out today, they had combat w/o rmr cut and elite with threaded barrel.

They are pretty much What you would hope the gen6 should be mixed with the legion type upgrades (without sig quality issues. Or at least you assume. This is a pretty new company, which ironically automatically puts them above sig in quality by default).

Frame is perfect. Backstrap system reminds me of P series hk. Texture is aggressive but not too much for iwb, might be close though. I would describe as an M&p 2.0 texture that has been sandpapered a bit. Beaver tail is effective but not obtrusive.

Slide machining, fit, and finish were excellent. Sights were good. Green front really pops, reminds me of sig X-ray. Appeared to have normal gen4 backplate so SCD should fit.

Indifferent on barrel. Both were spiral and gold. Not my jam, as soon have black.

Elite was noticeably lighter than the combat.

Couldn’t comment on trigger as basspro wouldn’t remove the trigger lock chastity belt.

Considering bass pro is charging $100 less than the shadow systems site and the gift card discount these represent an incredible value. If shadow systems would ship an elite or combat with rmr cut and black non threaded barrel I will buy without a second thought. Counter guy informed me he can’t request anything, nor does he know what they are getting. He knew exactly jack about these and said I was the first to ask to see them. He described them as “some sort of knockoff Glock”, lol.

[Tokarev]

Counter guy...knew exactly jack about these and...described them as “some sort of knockoff Glock”.

Well, he's not incorrect.

[Tokarev]

I was fortunate to acquire a Shadow Systems Elite MR918 on Monday from Bass Pro

Thanks for the photos.

[Shawnw]

Well, he's not incorrect.

No he’s not. But it’s like saying a Shelby is some kind of Ford knockoff.

[Thn9mm]

When I bought the MR918 from Bass Pro, I could not evaluate the trigger because of their refusal to remove the trigger guard lock. Evaluating the pistol at home, I realized that the trigger required immediate remediation before use.
The OEM trigger of the MR918 is an aluminum flat faced trigger with a 4-4.5 lb pull. This was not the issue. What was problematic was the tendency of the trigger to lock unless your finger pad is placed exactly flat on the safety hinge. Any other variation (finger rides high or finger curved around the trigger rather than flat), and the trigger tends to lock.
In the photo, you can see that there is a long vertical face on the MR918 trigger before the safety hinge is reached. Compare that to the Overwatch Trigger (OT), in which the vertical face is much shorter.

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In classes where I have done close retention shooting (shooting during grappling or high pectoral index shooting), my index finger can ride high on the trigger face depending on my body position while drawing the pistol. I wear a small glove and the width of my index finger is 15.3 mm. If I ride high on the MR918 trigger, then I cannot activate the safety hinge and the trigger locks as it should. If I ride high on the OT, then part of my finger can still depress the safety hinge and the pistol will fire. If I curl my finger around the trigger and am not exactly flat on the safety hinge, then the MR918 will not fire. This is unacceptable.
On one hand, this makes the pistol safer in that your finger must be placed a specific way for the trigger to activate. On the other hand, this makes the pistol useless in close quarters shooting if you are wrestling with an opponent and cannot place your finger on the trigger in a certain way. My VP9 trigger is the same way. It has a tall vertical face before the safety hinge is reached and the trigger locks in close retention shooting. I have relegated my VP9 to the safe and do not carry it.
I would still purchase the MR918 knowing that the trigger needs to be replaced. If you have larger fingers, then perhaps you may still be able to activate the safety hinge. I don’t know. I do know that for shooters with smaller hands, the trigger will be an issue.

[Tokarev]

I would still purchase the MR918 knowing that the trigger needs to be replaced. If you have larger fingers, then perhaps you may still be able to activate the safety hinge. I don’t know. I do know that for shooters with smaller hands, the trigger will be an issue.

What will you be replacing it with?

Maybe give Shadow Systems a call and let them know.


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[Thn9mm]

What will you be replacing it with?

Maybe give Shadow Systems a call and let them know.


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I replaced the trigger with an Overwatch precision trigger. Photo shown already has the replacement trigger installed. I did call the company to ask if there was anything I should know before replacing their OEM trigger. There was nothing unique to replacing it, just like any other trigger install. I told them that their trigger did not work for me but did not go into specifics. Perhaps I will forward to them this thread.

[Thn9mm]

When I bought the MR918 from Bass Pro, I could not evaluate the trigger because of their refusal to remove the trigger guard lock. Evaluating the pistol at home, I realized that the trigger required immediate remediation before use.
The OEM trigger of the MR918 is an aluminum flat faced trigger with a 4-4.5 lb pull. This was not the issue. What was problematic was the tendency of the trigger to lock unless your finger pad is placed exactly flat on the safety hinge. Any other variation (finger rides high or finger curved around the trigger rather than flat), and the trigger tends to lock.
In the photo, you can see that there is a long vertical face on the MR918 trigger before the safety hinge is reached. Compare that to the Overwatch Trigger (OT), in which the vertical face is much shorter.

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In classes where I have done close retention shooting (shooting during grappling or high pectoral index shooting), my index finger can ride high on the trigger face depending on my body position while drawing the pistol. I wear a small glove and the width of my index finger is 15.3 mm. If I ride high on the MR918 trigger, then I cannot activate the safety hinge and the trigger locks as it should. If I ride high on the OT, then part of my finger can still depress the safety hinge and the pistol will fire. If I curl my finger around the trigger and am not exactly flat on the safety hinge, then the MR918 will not fire. This is unacceptable.
On one hand, this makes the pistol safer in that your finger must be placed a specific way for the trigger to activate. On the other hand, this makes the pistol useless in close quarters shooting if you are wrestling with an opponent and cannot place your finger on the trigger in a certain way. My VP9 trigger is the same way. It has a tall vertical face before the safety hinge is reached and the trigger locks in close retention shooting. I have relegated my VP9 to the safe and do not carry it.
I would still purchase the MR918 knowing that the trigger needs to be replaced. If you have larger fingers, then perhaps you may still be able to activate the safety hinge. I don’t know. I do know that for shooters with smaller hands, the trigger will be an issue.

In the photo: left is the OEM MR918 trigger installed on a Gen4 frame, right is the Overwatch precision replacement trigger installed in the MR918.

[Tokarev]

In the photo: left is the OEM MR918 trigger installed on a Gen4 frame, right is the Overwatch precision replacement trigger installed in the MR918.Thanks for the clarification.

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[Alpha Sierra]

That trigger guard looks awfully thin.....

[Tokarev]

People have been doing that double undercut for years. Has anyone seen a trigger guard break as a result?

How brittle is the Shadow Systems plastic? I know the HK P2000 frame is somewhat inflexible. I've seen a few broken due to spills, falls, accidents etc.

This actually is one of the things I really like about the P320. Too much work with the soldering iron? Throw the frame module in the trash and start over. With the Glock or similar guns the frame goes in the trash.

Granted, I'm told Glock will replace ruined frames for pretty darned cheap. Hopefully Shadow can do likewise.

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[Texaspoff]

People have been doing that double undercut for years. Has anyone seen a trigger guard break as a result?

How brittle is the Shadow Systems plastic? I know the HK P2000 frame is somewhat inflexible. I've seen a few broken due to spills, falls, accidents etc.

This actually is one of the things I really like about the P320. Too much work with the soldering iron? Throw the frame module in the trash and start over. With the Glock or similar guns the frame goes in the trash.

Granted, I'm told Glock will replace ruined frames for pretty darned cheap. Hopefully Shadow can do likewise.

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The MR frame is very rigid. I don't believe it will have any issues from shooting. The trigger guard while thin is extremely solid. I wish I could do a better job of explaining how the frame felt. I would compare the polymer feel very close to what CZ is using on the P-10.

To my knowledge, I have not seen a trigger guard break on either a factory glock with an undercut, or an aftermarket frame. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it would be an extremely rare occurrence if it did.

Glock will replace a frame for around 100-150 bucks, but you have to factor in FFL fees with that. I have no idea if Shadow would do the same, but I'm sure in a serious event they could do something.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Don’t forget the best benefit of buying at Basspro, discount gift cards.

Thanks for the tip on discount cards.



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[Tokarev]

Good price here:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/816077517

[noguns]

So is a grip force adapter still needed for those who have slide bite. Anyone tested if these are more accurate than the factory Glock 19s of any generation? Anyone confirmed that the Gadget works?

[Humble Man]

So is a grip force adapter still needed for those who have slide bite. Anyone tested if these are more accurate than the factory Glock 19s of any generation? Anyone confirmed that the Gadget works?

750 rounds in first 2 weeks thru my MR918 Elite with RM07 mounted in optic cut. No need for a GFA - no slide bite. Extremely accurate and very, very flat shooting. I have 3 Gadgets on other Glocks - swapped one to the Shadow - perfect fit and function. Will be shooting it this weekend in Gabe's class.

[Jeffw78]

These seem very nice. I wish they did a 17 as well.

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[Tokarev]

These seem very nice. I wish they did a 17 as well.

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[Tokarev]

Whoa! Lousy photo. But I have one, none the less.

The shop had a couple Combat and Elite models. Only ones cut for an RMR were the Elites. I didn't feel like paying extra for unwanted slide windows.

If I like and keep the gun I might see if I can find someone to cut it for the Unity Tactical ATOM plate. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/a025001b50afee44477dff7fbc5f9dd2.jpg

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[Texaspoff]

Whoa! Lousy photo. But I have one, none the less.

The shop had a couple Combat and Elite models. Only ones cut for an RMR were the Elites. I didn't feel like paying extra for unwanted slide windows.

If I like and keep the gun I might see if I can find someone to cut it for the Unity Tactical ATOM plate. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/a025001b50afee44477dff7fbc5f9dd2.jpg

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Congrats. Did you pick it up from Bass Pro.

I have been back and forth several times checking it out. I have almost talked myself into picking it up despite the gold barrel.

I have a training course I am putting on here in a few weeks, and would sure like to run one of these through its paces.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

Congrats. Did you pick it up from Bass Pro.

I have been back and forth several times checking it out. I have almost talked myself into picking it up despite the gold barrel.

I have a training course I am putting on here in a few weeks, and would sure like to run one of these through its paces.



TXPOI found a shop that had several in stock. And, best thing, prices were less than Bass Pro.

They had a Combat with the gold barrel but I bought the one with the "rose" color. It is sort of a gray with a slight pink hue.



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[Texaspoff]

I found a shop that had several in stock. And, best thing, prices were less than Bass Pro.

They had a Combat with the gold barrel but I bought the one with the "rose" color. It is sort of a gray with a slight pink hue.


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Nice score. I haven't found anyone here locally other than bass pro that has them in stock. While their prices are lower than directly from Shadow, they are typically higher than other shops.

I figure, like you, if I pick one up, like it, and decide to keep it, I will live with the gold barrel, or purchase a black barrel from Shadow at some point to replace it.





TXPO

[Tokarev]

Here's the "rose" barrel. I think it looks okay. Black would have been better.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190603/1d4e00067e03b0ea3c82be33cb644b95.jpg

If I like the gun I'll probably buy a black barrel.

Anyway, initial impressions are decent. The slide and metal parts are nicely machined and finished. The frame has a slightly visible seam running down the middle but it isn't unsightly. The trigger is fairly light but it does have a pretty good amount of grit to it. Not nearly as good as I was expecting from a custom type gun.

As others have mentioned the frame is a very hard plastic. Compared to my Nomad frame, the Nomad has more give.

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[Tokarev]

Of course Glock mags fit the Shadow. Slides will swap too between frames as will recoil spring assemblies. Also, the MR918 will accept a factory Glock barrel.

Looking the pistol over, it appears that one of the slide parts are Glock. Some of the frame parts are. The trigger housing and probably the mag release are Glock parts. Surprisingly the locking block is black and does not appear to be a Glock item.

[Texaspoff]

Here's the "rose" barrel. I think it looks okay. Black would have been better.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190603/1d4e00067e03b0ea3c82be33cb644b95.jpg

If I like the gun I'll probably buy a black barrel.

Anyway, initial impressions are decent. The slide and metal parts are nicely machined and finished. The frame has a slightly visible seam running down the middle but it isn't unsightly. The trigger is fairly light but it does have a pretty good amount of grit to it. Not nearly as good as I was expecting from a custom type gun.

As others have mentioned the frame is a very hard plastic. Compared to my Nomad frame, the Nomad has more give.

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That rose color isn't too bad. I' still prefer black, but the other colors are starting to grow on me. I haven't been able to try any of the triggers in the ones I have looked at, Bass Pro shops, but grit shouldn't be to hard to eliminate. It could be machining remanence that may not have been cleaned out properly.

I agree these should be GTG when the leave the factory, I would think they would catch things like gritty triggers and such.

I like to think the MR918 is Glock's Kimber. Shadow Systems, and Zev building complete Glock type pistols. I wonder what other companies may be next.

Several main stream manufactures came out with their own 1911 designs once the patent was up. I can help wonder if the same may occur with the Glock design in the future.





TXPO

[Texaspoff]

Of course Glock mags fit the Shadow. Slides will swap too between frames as will recoil spring assemblies. Also, the MR918 will accept a factory Glock barrel.

Looking the pistol over, it appears that one of the slide parts are Glock. Some of the frame parts are. The trigger housing and probably the mag release are Glock parts. Surprisingly the locking block is black and does not appear to be a Glock item.

I would really like to see what the accuracy potential is out of these. Especially with them using their own locking blocks and barrels. I am actually please to hear that, since Glocks locking blocks seem to have a wide tolerance range.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

I would really like to see what the accuracy potential is out of these. Especially with them using their own locking blocks and barrels. I am actually please to hear that, since Glocks locking blocks seem to have a wide tolerance range.



TXPOI will hopefully get some shots fired quite soon. If not one of these evenings after work hopefully this coming weekend.

Don't get me wrong. The trigger on my sample isn't that bad. It resets nicely and is decent enough. But it does have some grit that I wasn't expecting.

The Combat, which is the entry level gun, should have a black or even an uncoated stainless steel barrel. A raw stainless barrel would work and would probably shave a few bucks off. Leave the funky and flashy colors for the Elite.

One other thing--the grip inserts are held on, in part, by a little plug. This plug is swapped out for a longer one when installing the mag well. This long insert could possibly serve as a lanyard ring depending on how small your lanyard is. Maybe I'll email Shadow and suggest they make a machined aluminum plug with a bigger hole for those wanting or needing a lanyard.

I like the Kimber analogy.

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[Texaspoff]

I will hopefully get some shots fired quite soon. If not one of these evenings after work hopefully this coming weekend.

Don't get me wrong. The trigger on my sample isn't that bad. It resets nicely and is decent enough. But it does have some grit that I wasn't expecting.

The Combat, which is the entry level gun, should have a black or even an uncoated stainless steel barrel. A raw stainless barrel would work and would probably shave a few bucks off. Leave the funky and flashy colors for the Elite.

One other thing--the grip inserts are held on, in part, by a little plug. This plug is swapped out for a longer one when installing the mag well. This long insert could possibly serve as a lanyard ring depending on how small your lanyard is. Maybe I'll email Shadow and suggest they make a machined aluminum plug with a bigger hole for those wanting or needing a lanyard.

I like the Kimber analogy.

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I'm with ya on the flashiness. The Combat model should just be plain and unobtrusive. Basic black is always a winner. They would likely have to go with the raw barrel, since even the black finish is probably the same price as the gold, and rose.


I feel so dirty, as we sit here and complain about the barrel color of a weapon.

[Tokarev]

I feel so dirty, as we sit here and complain about the barrel color of a weapon.

If you want a black barrel you should just buy a Glock....


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[Texaspoff]

If you want a black barrel you should just buy a Glock....


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I got lots of those around here....I need a little bling in my life......:cool:



TXPO

[Tokarev]

I wonder what other companies may be next.


Here are a few "Glock knockoff" pistols outside the Shadow Systems being discussed:

https://www.buyzrodelta.com/product-p/7550-0001-9990.htm

http://www.zevtechnologies.com/glocks/Original-ZEV

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/22/lone-wolf-distributors-custom-compact-timberwolf-pistol/

http://www.nomaddefenseco.com/

I included the CZ even though it is more inspired by rather than a copy of.

I have the Nomad frame and generally like it. I have it topped with a Brownell's slide.

Of all these guns linked, I think the ZRO is the most interesting. Has anyone seen/handled/shot one?

[noguns]

I'm very interested in this. I'd get a combat with rmr cut.

I've been wanting a g19 with HK like quality. I'm hoping the accuracy and extraction are at least as good as the gen 5s.

[Texaspoff]

I'm very interested in this. I'd get a combat with rmr cut.

I've been wanting a g19 with HK like quality. I'm hoping the accuracy and extraction are at least as good as the gen 5s.

So far the few videos out there seem to show they don't suffer from weak ejection, and accuracy seems to be fine. I'll reserve final judgement until more real folks have them and run them through their paces.

Tokarev is making it difficult for me to keep from getting one. I really wanted to wait until I could get a black barrel version, but my want is starting to outweigh my patience.



TXPO

[CanineCombatives]

Is anyone looking at the zrodelta modulus pistol system?

[Tokarev]

I'm very interested in this. I'd get a combat with rmr cut.

I've been wanting a g19 with HK like quality. I'm hoping the accuracy and extraction are at least as good as the gen 5s.Unity Tactical should be ready to go with the ATOM 2.0 cut in another couple months. I might go that way if I keep this thing.

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[Tokarev]

Is anyone looking at the zrodelta modulus pistol system?I've been poking around looking for reviews. Other than some stuff from SHOT there ain't much out there.

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[Texaspoff]

I've been poking around looking for reviews. Other than some stuff from SHOT there ain't much out there.

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Generally I think folks are still rolling with P80 frames. Shadow hasn’t done much advertising about the MR. I thinking they are hoping word of mouth will sell them. As long as they put a solid pistol that shouldn’t be hard.

The MR will trickle out there and they will become more widely know. It’s good they have them at a mainstream location like bass pro. The downside is that the guys at my local one know absolutely nothing about them so they won’t likely sell one over a Glock.

Even if the MR doesn’t take off and the discontinue them they still share enough common parts with a Glock it should be easy to keep one running for years.

TXPO

[Tokarev]

More propaganda:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XChy-I-P8M

[Texaspoff]

For god sakes man, get out there and shoot this thing so you can give us the 411...…. :)


TXPO

[Tokarev]

For god sakes man, get out there and shoot this thing so you can give us the 411...…. :)


TXPOLol I'm hoping you'll make me an offer on it while it is still new in box. Blew grocery money to buy the damned thing.

Don't tell my wife....[emoji16]

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[Texaspoff]

Lol I'm hoping you'll make me an offer on it while it is still new in box. Blew grocery money to buy the damned thing.

Don't tell my wife....[emoji16]

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Heheheh, I'm trying to figure how to get mine without using grocery money as well..... :)


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Okay. It is no longer new in box.

One hundred rounds of cheap aluminum and sixteen rounds of 124 grain Gold Dot fired. Glock, Magpul and a KCI mag used with 100% reliable function.

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[Texaspoff]

Okay. It is no longer new in box.

One hundred rounds of cheap aluminum and sixteen rounds of 124 grain Gold Dot fired. Glock, Magpul and a KCI mag used with 100% reliable function.

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SOoooooooo... Accuracy good, average, poor. Good to hear 100% reliability, and honestly I expected that as they use that as a selling point for them.

And how was the ejection?




TXPO

[Tokarev]

SOoooooooo... Accuracy good, average, poor. Good to hear 100% reliability, and honestly I expected that as they use that as a selling point for them.

And how was the ejection?TXPO

Ejection was perfect. All cases dumped in a pile at about the 4:00 position. No brass in the face or bouncing off my hat.

Accuracy was okay. I don't want to pass judgment in this regard without trying some other ammo. Also, the gun shoots a little high and left. I'll bump the rear sight a little and go from there. No doubt I'm pushing the gun left a little as I work the trigger.

The sights are excellent. Easy to see with a good relationship between front and rear. The slide serrations are also good. Grippy and functional. The grip texture and the beaver tail are great. I gripped the gun about as high as I possibly could and didn't have any trouble with slide bite.

Otherwise, it is a solid Glock 19. Getting back to your earlier analogy; it is what a Kimber is to a stock Series 70. Both will work fine depending on your budget and your expectations but one is probably going to be more fun to shoot than the other.

I'll get out again soon and take a couple different loads. I'll also take some bullseye targets instead of the brown USPSA I used today.

BTW--no weird wear patterns or gouged parts or anything going on inside.

[Texaspoff]

Ejection was perfect. All cases dumped in a pile at about the 4:00 position. No brass in the face or bouncing off my hat.

Accuracy was okay. I don't want to pass judgment in this regard without trying some other ammo. Also, the gun shoots a little high and left. I'll bump the rear sight a little and go from there. No doubt I'm pushing the gun left a little as I work the trigger.

The sights are excellent. Easy to see with a good relationship between front and rear. The slide serrations are also good. Grippy and functional. The grip texture and the beaver tail are great. I gripped the gun about as high as I possibly could and didn't have any trouble with slide bite.

Otherwise, it is a solid Glock 19. Getting back to your earlier analogy; it is what a Kimber is to a stock Series 70. Both will work fine depending on your budget and your expectations but one is probably going to be more fun to shoot than the other.

I'll get out again soon and take a couple different loads. I'll also take some bullseye targets instead of the brown USPSA I used today.

BTW--no weird wear patterns or gouged parts or anything going on inside.


Good to hear on all counts. I wonder if it has a preference for ammo weight? Shooting high is a much easier fix than low. All the other stuff is easy to dial in. At least the reliability is spot on, and that is at the top of my list of requirements.

This pistol has a lot to offer at the price point. I will be travelling to a local store here, that may have some in stock. If not, Then I will likely be off to Bass Pro to pick one up.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

This pistol has a lot to offer at the price point.

TXPO

Indeed. Doing the math, it would appear the MR918 is a "no brainer." At least if you want some custom features.

A base Glock 19 is $425 or thereabouts. Add another $100 for those who can't get one on blue label. The beavertail alone will run $220 or so if you have Robar do the work. Grip texture/contour is another couple hundred depending on what is done. Adding similar sights adds another $75-$125 depending. Right here we've exceeded the price of the MR918 Combat and we still won't have the interchangeable backstrap feature. I think Robar does that too so add another few bucks while the pistol is off getting the beaver tail added.

Down side? Yeah. We have a frame of unknown material. Will it crack or otherwise deteriorate over time? We also have a small company that may or may not be around in ten years. Nothing against Shadow Systems and I wish them all the best but Glock isn't going anywhere. Also, I am not crazy about the Magpul magazines. They work fine so far but they feel disposable. More of a range item than a daily carry one. I'd like to see the gun ship with a couple genuine Glock mags as opposed to the Magpul ones. But that's an easy fix. Lastly, I would like to see Shadow switch away from the dedicated RMR cut and develop something like the Glock MOS or Agency AOS. Or partner with Unity and use the ATOM. Back a few years ago it was pretty much the RMR or nothing. That's changing quickly.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18199/20190605_054326-969418.jpg

[Texaspoff]

Indeed. Doing the math, it would appear the MR918 is a "no brainer." At least if you want some custom features.

A base Glock 19 is $425 or thereabouts. Add another $100 for those who can't get one on blue label. The beavertail alone will run $220 or so if you have Robar do the work. Grip texture/contour is another couple hundred depending on what is done. Adding similar sights adds another $75-$125 depending. Right here we've exceeded the price of the MR918 Combat and we still won't have the interchangeable backstrap feature. I think Robar does that too so add another few bucks while the pistol is off getting the beaver tail added.

Down side? Yeah. We have a frame of unknown material. Will it crack or otherwise deteriorate over time? We also have a small company that may or may not be around in ten years. Nothing against Shadow Systems and I wish them all the best but Glock isn't going anywhere. Also, I am not crazy about the Magpul magazines. They work fine so far but they feel disposable. More of a range item than a daily carry one. I'd like to see the gun ship with a couple genuine Glock mags as opposed to the Magpul ones. But that's an easy fix. Lastly, I would like to see Shadow switch away from the dedicated RMR cut and develop something like the Glock MOS or Agency AOS. Or partner with Unity and use the ATOM. Back a few years ago it was pretty much the RMR or nothing. That's changing quickly.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18199/20190605_054326-969418.jpg

Looks good with some use on it. Is the finish scratching on the back of the trigger shoe on that side, or just lighting?


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Looks good with some use on it. Is the finish scratching on the back of the trigger shoe on that side, or just lighting?


TXPOThere does appear to be some slight finish wear.

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[Tokarev]

Here is some info on parts compatibility. Stripped MR frame reassembled with Glock parts.

I didn't shoot it like this part it passed function checks.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/50ce0f3d6e13a7356f66cdde5be6245a.jpg

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[Texaspoff]

There does appear to be some slight finish wear.

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That’s a bit bothersome. I would have thought the anodizing would or should have held a bit better than that

TXPO

[Tokarev]

That’s a bit bothersome. I would have thought the anodizing would or should have held a bit better than that

TXPO

Yeah. Me, too.

The trigger fits pretty tightly in its slot in the frame and is rubbing. That's probably where much of the grit in the trigger press is coming from.

[Texaspoff]

Yeah. Me, too.

The trigger fits pretty tightly in its slot in the frame and is rubbing. That's probably where much of the grit in the trigger press is coming from.

Very well could explain that. Is it still gritty with the factory Glock trigger in it?

[Tokarev]

is it still gritty with the factory Glock trigger in it?

A little. But it is getting better. I've been dry firing the crap out of it.


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[Texaspoff]

A little. But it is getting better. I've been dry firing the crap out of it.


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I’m blaming you for my lack of control:p

38790


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Nice!

I see you went with the gold colored barrel. I assume that was the only option at Bass Pro? I actually have a black barrel in my shopping cart at Shadow Systems. I just haven't talked myself into completing the purchase.

How's the trigger? What mag is that? How do you like it so far?

I carried mine around a bit in an IWB holster against bare skin. I didn't do a whole lot of walking around, etc but the texture isn't rubbing me.

[Texaspoff]

Nice!

I see you went with the gold colored barrel. I assume that was the only option at Bass Pro? I actually have a black barrel in my shopping cart at Shadow Systems. I just haven't talked myself into completing the purchase.

How's the trigger? What mag is that? How do you like it so far?

I carried mine around a bit in an IWB holster against bare skin. I didn't do a whole lot of walking around, etc but the texture isn't rubbing me.


Yes it was, I was going to order one directly from Shadow, but after fondling the one at Bass Pro, multiple times over several days. (They guys pulled the gun out when they saw me walking up.... :) ), the bronze barrel actually grew on me. It looks more like the Coyote finish on the 19X rather than a gold color. I actually like the contrast of it, and will likely hold off on the black barrel, at least for now.

The magazine is a standard G19 with 10-8 base plate. I have a ton of those as well as 19 Pmags that I use for range training when I ran 19's. I took a couple way of the gun classes and the pmags I have went 800 rounds in each class without an issue, so I trust them. I will likely still likely carry the glock mags and 10-8 bas plates on duty though.

The trigger was slightly gritty, but about the same as my 4th Gens I had when new. The tolerances are better on the MR and with the machined striker block, and ridged frame it amplified the factory glock trigger bars imperfections. 5 minutes and a little polishing on the trigger striker block tab, and it is smooth as butter now. It feels like a glock trigger, but more mechanical, no doubt do to the Shadow Trigger pad and tighter tolerances.


I spent the better part of last night tearing it completely down, checking everything with calipers, and just looking it over. They paid a lot of attention to details, stuff that most folks would miss. Example, the barrel, specifically the lug area. They chamfered the slot where the locking block goes. Glock does this on factory barrels, but no other aftermarket company does it that I know of. Mechanically it doesn't effect anything, but when the gun is cycling the locking block will ding up that area on barrel without that chamfering. It looks crappy after a few hundred rounds. They thought of that so they chamfered the area just like factory.


I do not know what type of polymer they are using, it is very ridged but has a slight amount of flex. They really came up with a good compound, because It resists scratching better than most other polymers. The grip texturing is perfect for normal carrying. The general finish on the rest of the frame is perfectly done.

IMO the MR918 is the best bang for your buck if you like the glock platform as a whole. If glock was a mustang, this is the Shelby version. Everything Shadow System has done to this pistol, was done for good reason. This is not a lipstick on a pig pistol.

This is what a factory Glock in 2019 should be. Shadow Systems has shown what is possible with the Glock type platform. Glock has fallen short, and the MR918 amplifies that fact.

The best part is it fits every G19 holster I have including all my ALS duty holsters.

While it doesn't effect me as I don't use lights, the only criticism I have is, they should have made the mounting cut in the dust cover a true PIC cut like the 5th Gen Glocks. Other than that, I can't think of anything else.

Now I haven't shot mine yet, so there could be issues there. It could shit the bed out of the gate, but I highly doubt it. I don't think they changed enough to cause any issues, but we will see.

The MR918 has the best attributes of the Glock platform, and they got rid of almost 100% of the things that aren't desirable. Would have been 100% with the PIC mounting cut... :)

I'll take it out for a test drive today, and report back this evening on what transpires.

If Shadow Systems would build a base model, use the same frame with a more standard type less expensive trigger pad, a slide and barrel with less machine work, to save $$, and put it out around the $575 to $650 price point, they couldn't build enough of them. That could possibly be the Glock Killer everyone is always talking about. Funny that it would be a glock like pistol that could take glock down..... oh the irony.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

the bronze barrel actually grew on me. It looks more like the Coyote finish on the 19X rather than a gold color.

If Dan Brokos can run a gold barrel in his LFT/Shadow 17 I guess we can run one, too.




they should have made the mounting cut in the dust cover a true PIC cut like the 5th Gen Glocks.

I actually talked to someone at Shadow Systems about this. They said they went with the Glock flashlight cut to maintain holster fit. Maybe I misunderstood the answer?




If Shadow Systems would build a base model, use the same frame with a more standard type less expensive trigger pad, a slide and barrel with less machine work, to save $$, and put it out around the $575 to $650 price point, they couldn't build enough of them. That could possibly be the Glock Killer everyone is always talking about. Funny that it would be a glock like pistol that could take glock down..... oh the irony.



I completely agree that this is close to what Glock should be making nowadays. Modern features-wise probably the only thing the MR918 is missing is an ambi slide release. The other thing I'd do is get rid of the dedicated RMR cut and go with something like the Agency AOS or Unity ATOM.

I also agree with you on a base model. A less flashy MR918 Combat would probably be a good seller especially if the price is very close to the Glock.

[Texaspoff]

If Dan Brokos can run a gold barrel in his LFT/Shadow 17 I guess we can run one, too.

Yeah we can be one of the cool kids...




I actually talked to someone at Shadow Systems about this. They said they went with the Glock flashlight cut to maintain holster fit. Maybe I misunderstood the answer?

That maybe true, although I didn't have any holster fitment issues when running my 5th Gens in my 4th Gen holsters. I do know the 5th Gens have fitment issues with some 4th Gen holsters though, so that could be.




I completely agree that this is close to what Glock should be making nowadays. Modern features-wise probably the only thing the MR918 is missing is an ambi slide release. The other thing I'd do is get rid of the dedicated RMR cut and go with something like the Agency AOS or Unity ATOM.

With the RMR popularity, that was a logical choice for immediate release. Who know what they have cooking on the stove for the future. I suspect the ambi release as well as some of the other 5th Gen internals redesigns would cause patent issues.

I also agree with you on a base model. A less flashy MR918 Combat would probably be a good seller especially if the price is very close to the Glock.

Absolutely...



TXPO

[Tokarev]

Shadow Systems already has the COPS (Combat Optimized Pistol Slide) that could be used on this theoretical base model. It looks about like the MR918 Combat slide although with simpler cocking serration cuts. I'm fine with the simpler cuts as long as they aren't so sharp that they chew stuff up.

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/product/combat-optimized-pistol-slide-cops-fits-glock-g19/

[Texaspoff]

Shadow Systems already has the COPS (Combat Optimized Pistol Slide) that could be used on this theoretical base model. It looks about like the MR918 Combat slide although with simpler cocking serration cuts. I'm fine with the simpler cuts as long as they aren't so sharp that they chew stuff up.

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/product/combat-optimized-pistol-slide-cops-fits-glock-g19/

Yeah the 918 frame with this upper offered both with and without RMR cuts would be the ticket.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Yeah the 918 frame with this upper offered both with and without RMR cuts would be the ticket.


TXPOI might get one of these slides to run on my Nomad Defense frame.

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[Texaspoff]

I might get one of these slides to run on my Nomad Defense frame.

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That would be a nice setup.


TXPO

[Texaspoff]

Stopped by the range and fired off the first rounds out of the 918. I was impressed and that is putting it lightly. The first 15 rounds through it went in almost one ragged hole at 10 yards. The two flyers I called and were all me. The pistol itself is very forgiving to grip inputs. The two flyers was caused by my grip in my support hand loosening too much, still recovering from first shoulder surgery. I really had to fumble my grip to just have those rounds travel that little distance off center. Glock are not very forgiving to bad grip or trigger inputs due to their more flexible frame. The MR918 doe not suffer from this at all, it feel very much like any other pistol as far as that goes. There was absolutely no left POA/POI tendencies. Sights are dead center, and so are the hits. POA/POI is right at the top of the front sight, which is my preference.

The sights on the pistol are quite tall, the front is a .220. They proved very quick to pick up and align, and I don't believe I will change them out to my typical Ameriglo Bold setup. Will see how I do with them long term.

100 rounds was all I had time to do, but the pistol functioned flawlessly. Ejection was fine, and sent far away. On an interesting note, the recoil impulse and slide tracking is very much like my G45's and 19X's. I was quite surprised at this since most 19's track completely different. No doubt this is due to the recoil spring setup the MR918 uses. The pistol does shoot very flat, and comes back on target quickly.

At the end of the session I ran 5 124 +p GD duty rounds through it at 20 yards and again I was impressed.

Todays little range time solidified my opinion that the MR918 is an outstanding pistol. Of course time will tell how it holds up, but I see no indication it should be any less durable or reliable long term than a Glock, and thats a good thing.

Target used for first and last rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/Ab1xd4c.jpg


TXPO

[Tokarev]

Stopped by the range and fired off the first rounds out of the 918. I was impressed and that is putting it lightly. The first 15 rounds through it went in almost one ragged hole at 10 yards. The two flyers I called and were all me. The pistol itself is very forgiving to grip inputs. The two flyers was caused by my grip in my support hand loosening too much, still recovering from first shoulder surgery. I really had to fumble my grip to just have those rounds travel that little distance off center. Glock are not very forgiving to bad grip or trigger inputs due to their more flexible frame. The MR918 doe not suffer from this at all, it feel very much like any other pistol as far as that goes. There was absolutely no left POA/POI tendencies. Sights are dead center, and so are the hits. POA/POI is right at the top of the front sight, which is my preference.

The sights on the pistol are quite tall, the front is a .220. They proved very quick to pick up and align, and I don't believe I will change them out to my typical Ameriglo Bold setup. Will see how I do with them long term.

100 rounds was all I had time to do, but the pistol functioned flawlessly. Ejection was fine, and sent far away. On an interesting note, the recoil impulse and slide tracking is very much like my G45's and 19X's. I was quite surprised at this since most 19's track completely different. No doubt this is due to the recoil spring setup the MR918 uses. The pistol does shoot very flat, and comes back on target quickly.

At the end of the session I ran 5 124 +p GD duty rounds through it at 20 yards and again I was impressed.

Todays little range time solidified my opinion that the MR918 is an outstanding pistol. Of course time will tell how it holds up, but I see no indication it should be any less durable or reliable long term than a Glock, and thats a good thing.

Target used for first and last rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/Ab1xd4c.jpg


TXPO

Thanks for the feedback. I'm sure others are as happy as you are with their purchase. What backstrap insert are you using?

I was looking on Optics Planet earlier for some stuff and see that they carry quite a few Shadow Systems parts. This particular barrel caught my eye since it goes right into the "budget" idea expressed earlier in the thread:

https://www.opticsplanet.com/shadow-systems-glock-19-standard-profile-match-barrel.html

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[Texaspoff]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm sure others are as happy as you are with their purchase. What backstrap insert are you using?

I was looking on Optics Planet earlier for some stuff and see that they carry quite a few Shadow Systems parts. This particular barrel caught my eye since it goes right into the "budget" idea expressed earlier in the thread:

https://www.opticsplanet.com/shadow-systems-glock-19-standard-profile-match-barrel.html

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Yeah that barrel with the slide you posted earlier with the MR frame should just about get a standard 918 in the range of a standard glock.

The Med felt fine, but the small felt a tad better so I stayed with it. Seems to work for my grip as the pistol was locked and didn't move at all. I had more than enough extra reach to the trigger.

The magwell is pretty nice all things considered. I may throw it on for my range training next thursday just to see how it handled when running the gun.


TXPO

[Tokarev]

...my range training next thursday just to see how it handled when running the gun.


TXPO

Will your department let you carry this as a duty pistol?



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[Texaspoff]

Will your department let you carry this as a duty pistol?



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Yes, I am the one responsible for approving and adding weapons to our list. Chief doesn't have a big issue with what I put on the list as long as it isn't a POS, and I have done a through job of vetting it and if it isn't from a main stream manufacturer. He had a suppressed 300 blackout SBR custom built and I got to test it out and certify it. :)

Because the MR is glock based, he was good with it. He and I both agree its basically like carrying a Wilson 1911 rather than a Colt. He carries A Baer TR 1911 on duty, so he gets it. I told him I will be carrying it for the next few weeks while I ring it out, but so far it was functioning like a Glock so I wasn't worried.

My goal is to get around 600 or sounds rounds through it by next weekend. I have some training that I will be running with our department and some other instructors next Wed and Thurs. Should be hard to get there. As long as it makes it through without any issues, I'm going to call it good.

FWIW I shot it today and I did not clean it or lube it. I only stripped it down last night to check for any irregularities. I won't be cleaning it or lubing it at all until after the training, unless it needs it during the course.

I do this will all my prospective duty weapons. IMO, if they can make it several hundred rounds out of the box, then they should be GTG, after cleaning and lubrication. While some may not agree with this, I have never had a pistol give me any problems that passed this test.




TXPO

[Tokarev]

Let us know how it goes. If you have any issues along the way I assume Shadow Systems would welcome the feedback.

I was just parusing the thread titled "but it looks cool" and can't help but somewhat think of the MR918. For me the best thing about the gun is the extended beavertail but I have no heartburn with the other stuff. The factory sights are good, the fore and aft serrations work well and the trigger is decent. Not wonderful but certainly useable and probably safe at the measured 4.25# as shown with my little fish weight trigger pull gauge. Some might see the MR918 as all fart and no poop but I think SS has done an admirable job of putting together logical choices in a package that has their own style.

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[Tokarev]

Oops. I forgot to ask if you have any grip texture work planned for the gun. Is there anything there you think you can improve on? Only thing I see that could maybe use a little traction is underneath the trigger guard.

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[Texaspoff]

Oops. I forgot to ask if you have any grip texture work planned for the gun. Is there anything there you think you can improve on? Only thing I see that could maybe use a little traction is underneath the trigger guard.

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I can’t really think of anything it needs. I could texture under the trigger guard but i personally like it without it. The frame feels like one of my full house worked up frames. They really did an excellent job on the overall design of it.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

Does this link work? I've never posted a link to Facebook before and am not a member of that particular site.

Good to see Lead Faucet/Dan B running one of these:


https://www.facebook.com/LeadFaucetTactical/videos/2254567451293794/

[Texaspoff]

Does this link work? I've never posted a link to Facebook before and am not a member of that particular site.

Good to see Lead Faucet/Dan B running one of these:


https://www.facebook.com/LeadFaucetTactical/videos/2254567451293794/

I would expect a few well known folks to get to T&E a few of these. Good advertisement and real world testing depending on who is behind the trigger.

They have only been out for three months I believe, and under most circumstances I wouldn't have tried something as new as the MR918. Being that it is based on a tried and true design, and Shadow has been building solid components for a while, It seemed like a bet with pretty good odds.

The frame is really the only thing that will have to prove it's durability and worth over time. Everything other part in it has a known and documented service life, so there is no guess work there.

I was perusing the owners manual earlier and came across some warranty info that gave me pause; If the MR918 is used in a self defense situation, is seized as evidence, kept by the authorities, and the incident was found justifiable, Shadow Systems will send you another MR918. (Readers Digest Version)





TXPO

[noguns]

That last post really makes it hard to not try one out. I've been hoping a combat with rmr cut would show up on GunBroker.

What is the going rate to cut properly for a rmr or sro or possibly the new acro? Lots of companies offer this service it looks like. I'd hate to butcher up an mr918 and not have the warranty voided.
If it isn't much difference than upgrading to an elite I might just spring for the full house one.

[Texaspoff]

That last post really makes it hard to not try one out. I've been hoping a combat with rmr cut would show up on GunBroker.

What is the going rate to cut properly for a rmr or sro or possibly the new acro? Lots of companies offer this service it looks like. I'd hate to butcher up an mr918 and not have the warranty voided.
If it isn't much difference than upgrading to an elite I might just spring for the full house one.

The service varies from $45 to $175 or better depending on if you have the slide refinished after the work.

The RMR cut is about a $50 upgrade on the combat or the elite. The elite stars out slightly higher than the combat as it has the slide windows and more slide machining. Pricing is going to depend on where you find one, and if they have what you are looking for in stock. Ordering from Shadow direct is going to be more than most retailers have it, there is a 6 to 8 week wait, but you can get exactly what you want.


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[Tokarev]

What is the going rate to cut properly for a rmr or sro or possibly the new acro? Lots of companies offer this service it looks like.

I asked Shadow Systems if having another company mill an optics cut would void my warranty and was told the cut wouldn't be covered but the rest of the gun would be. Obviously if the slide cracked from the cut into the rear sight dovetail I'd be out of luck but a problem with the barrel or trigger or frame will be covered.

Taka a look at this website linked below. Primary Machine does top notch work but they don't do it cheap.

http://primarymachine.com/glock-optic-milling/

Personally I'm waiting for the Unity Tactical ATOM 2.0 cut to become available. That's probably what I'll go with.



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[Tokarev]

I shot my MR918 and my Nomad Defense frame put together with Gen 4 Glock 19 parts yesterday. Both guns were fired from a padded rest from 25 yards and were tested using the same ammo. I fired 25 rounds in five round groups for a total of 75 rounds through each gun.

First off, I think I prefer the Nomad grip shape over that of the MR918. It is more rounded than I usually prefer but I don't feel like my hand is quite as "crowded" if that makes sense. But the Nomad texture is smoother than the Shadow Systems and not nearly as effective. Both frames have a permanent beavertail so I had no issues with slide bite from either gun.

The Nomad trigger, being a stock Glock part, is a little heavier than the Shadow but it doesn't have as much pre-travel and has a crisper break. My Shadow trigger is a little gritty but is getting better and better with use.

Ammo used was 124 grain Federal HST, Winchester 147 grain White Box JHP and Winchester USA Forged steel case 115 grain. The only malfunction I had was in the Shadow. It was a failure to eject when using the steel case stuff.

Here are my results:

Nomad/Glock
124 HST
Avg MV 1178.4
Avg group 3.04"

115 Steel
Avg MV 1144.6
Avg group 2.07"

147 WWB
Avg MV 946.1
Avg group 2.44"

Overall 2.51"

MR918
124 HST
Avg MV 1147.4
Avg group 2.56"

115 Steel
Avg MV 1145.3
Avg group 3.16"

147 WWB
Avg MV 919.9
Avg group 2.18"

Overall 2.63"

As can be seen, I shot slightly better groups with the MR with the USA Forged ammo being the exception. The Glock barrel really liked that stuff. It wasn't terrible through the MR but the Glock barrel seemed to work well with it.

Both guns are generally fun and easy to shoot and are a different take on what's possible with a Glock frame while maintaining parts compatibility. The Shadow frame is a Glock 19 frame in general shape while the Nomad frame kind of reminds me of an M&P.

Here are pictures of both. The Nomad has a Brownell's slide in these photos but I used a stock Glock 19 slide for my accuracy testing.
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Last mag of the day was fifteen rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124 +P through the MR918. I shot this group from 10 yards standing. Pulled one a little low and left.
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[Tokarev]

A couple more groups. These are standing offhand at 25 yards.

10 rounds loaded with a 124 grain cast SWC made by Montana Bullet Works:

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10 rounds of 147 grain HST:

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[WobblyPossum]

I kind of want one of these. How does the trigger compare to a well broken in Gen5 Glock?

[Texaspoff]

I kind of want one of these. How does the trigger compare to a well broken in Gen5 Glock?


I polished up the trigger bar on mine as the striker black tab had a few burrs. The trigger on mine is as smooth as my 19X's and G45's now. The connector in it is a Taran Tactical. It has more of a wall than the Gen5 connector, which isn't a bad thing. I may through a dot connector in there just to see how it feels.


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[Tokarev]

I haven't really messed with any Gen 5 guns yet. Is the trigger much different between the 5 and the previous gens?

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[WobblyPossum]

I haven't really messed with any Gen 5 guns yet. Is the trigger much different between the 5 and the previous gens?

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Once the Gen5 guns break in, there’s almost no wall and you get a smooth rolling break. The wall is present enough that if you concentrate you can still take the slack out.

[Tokarev]

Once the Gen5 guns break in, there’s almost no wall and you get a smooth rolling break. The wall is present enough that if you concentrate you can still take the slack out.That's because Glock has changed the firing pin block from the round flat pin to more of a triangular shaped wedge?

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[Texaspoff]

That's because Glock has changed the firing pin block from the round flat pin to more of a triangular shaped wedge?

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Thats what changed the way the 5th Gen triggers feel compared to previous gens. I like the 5th Gen trigger a alot, but I like 4th gen triggers just as well once broken in.



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[Tokarev]

Nice https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/4db7f82fb35edf069f7b502e8d299491.jpg

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[Texaspoff]

Glamor shot

https://i.imgur.com/74IR6Az.jpg



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[Texaspoff]

Well nothing to report about yesterdays training session with the MR. 645 rounds fired, and nothing other than plain ole boring reliability. To date I have just over 900 rounds through my MR918 with out any failures. Several folks got to shoot it yesterday and all remarked on how much they liked the way the pistol shot. One thing to note, this pistol didn't get very dirty during the 900 plus rounds. I have not cleaned it since new, and last night was the first time I finally gave it a cleaning.

I took the pistol down, and just wiped off the major components, to look for any abnormal wear patterns or issues. The images below are from just a general wipe down, not a thorough cleaning. That came after the pics. Everything looked normal, and there was very little wear, At least no more than your average Gen 5 gun. At this point the MR has proven GTG so I have placed it into my On/Off duty carry rotation. I'll continue to monitor it's progression and if anything develops I'll report. I am extremely impressed and very happy with the performance displayed by the MR918.

https://i.imgur.com/JtgvUz7.jpg?1

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[Tokarev]

Thanks for the update. What's next?

One thing I'm a little curious about is reliability with a light attached. Sometimes the extra weight on the frame can cause cycling issues. Kind of the opposite of limp wrist where the slide velocity is increased due to the additional mass.

I have a duty holster for a G19 with light. Maybe I'll get it mounted to a belt and play with the gun in that configuration for a few days. See if anything funky happens with a TLR-1 mounted up.

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[Texaspoff]

Thanks for the update. What's next?

One thing I'm a little curious about is reliability with a light attached. Sometimes the extra weight on the frame can cause cycling issues. Kind of the opposite of limp wrist where the slide velocity is increased due to the additional mass.

I have a duty holster for a G19 with light. Maybe I'll get it mounted to a belt and play with the gun in that configuration for a few days. See if anything funky happens with a TLR-1 mounted up.

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Not sure, I was shooting my X Carry today, and forgot how much I like the X series pistols. I'm going to play with it for a while. Give the MR a break, for a bit. :)



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[Tokarev]

Not sure, I was shooting my X Carry today, and forgot how much I like the X series pistols. I'm going to play with it for a while. Give the MR a break, for a bit. :)



TXPOThe Glock and SIG camps don't seem to cross paths often. It seems most Glock guys, at least here on PF, do not care for the 320 at all.



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[Tokarev]

I was out this morning goofing around a bit at 15 and 25 yards. I was finishing off what remained of a batch of 150gr RNL loaded with 3.2gr of Titegroup.

The gun seems to shoot about right, elevation-wise, at 25 yards with the heavier stuff. As mentioned, the sights are excellent. Easy to see and use with good light bars on both sides of the front sight.

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[HopetonBrown]

I would expect a few well known folks to get to T&E a few of these. Good advertisement and real world testing depending on who is behind the trigger.


Looks like Ken Hackathorn was sporting one in a class with Vickers in LA this weekend.

[Tokarev]

Looks like Ken Hackathorn was sporting one in a class with Vickers in LA this weekend.Info on this, please.

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[HopetonBrown]

Info on this, please.


From the Instagram of HoTac down in SoCal.
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[Tokarev]

I was in Cabela's in Lehi, UT earlier today checking out the selection of ZEV pistols. The salesman also pointed out the Shadow Systems.

He said the MR918 had sold very well upon initial release but sales had started to wane. I imagine that's based on the "newness" factor wearing off as well as other outlets for the guns now. Cabela's price is still almost $800.

The ZEV is also a nice gun. Similar in design but twice the price. I wouldn't mind picking one up but am not likely to spend STI money on a fancy Glock.

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[Tokarev]

Brokos working an MR918https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190720/6e362df95b987c8f3236ccafafa090c0.jpg

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[Tokarev]

Who's running a weapon light? Any weird malfunctions after mounting the light?

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[WobblyPossum]

Has anyone seen the RMR cut versions of the Combat in the wild? Every listing for a Combat I’ve seen has been without the RMR cut. The Bass Pro I visited recently also only had the non-RMR cut version.

[Tokarev]

Yikes!


https://youtu.be/aKtRWbqfCuc

[WobblyPossum]

I ordered a Combat model with optic cut. I’ve got a Holosun 507c waiting for it to arrive. I was told it would be about 6-8 weeks. I’m looking forward to giving pistol mounted optics a fair shake, especially considering that it sounds like my employer will be authorizing PMOs on duty pistols down the line. I’d rather already have some experience with the concept when everything’s approved. Tokarev and Texaspoff, how are you guys still liking your MR918s after having them for a while?

[Tokarev]

how are you guys still liking your MR918s after having them for a while?

I'm carrying mine today as a matter of fact. Currently have it loaded with 124 HSTs in factory Gen5 Glock mags. I haven't had any problems with the Magpul mags but prefer the smaller profile of the Glocks.

If and when Unity finally releases the ATOM 2.0 I plan to send my slide off for that cut. I have thought about having the slide milled for an RMR but would rather wait for the new Unity adapter system.


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[cgff]

Picked up a Black combat with black DLC barrel on Saturday 100 flawless round that morning another 200 today been running it with the 2 P mags and a G17 mag.
I was out shopping for a 19x and did a complete impulse buy with it. I’ve Not run a Striker pistol for quite some time except my shield, mostly 1911s with my P30 V1 lem & M9a1 thrown in. I have to say the MR918 offers a few niceties in the basic pistol definitely growing on me.

[AKDoug]

I bought one of their blem lowers and filled it up with my Gen 4 parts and top end. I far prefer the ergonomics of the MR to the Glock. I only have about 500 rounds on mine right now, but it's been 100%.

It's been a good change and I'm very likely to buy a complete MR918 now. I'll put my Gen 4 Glock back together and make it my back up office gun.

[Tokarev]

I bought one of their blem lowers...

What's the blem?


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[Shawnw]

What's the blem?


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It was supposedly the texturing on the front strap area. Most people couldn’t even notice.

[Texaspoff]

I ordered a Combat model with optic cut. I’ve got a Holosun 507c waiting for it to arrive. I was told it would be about 6-8 weeks. I’m looking forward to giving pistol mounted optics a fair shake, especially considering that it sounds like my employer will be authorizing PMOs on duty pistols down the line. I’d rather already have some experience with the concept when everything’s approved. Tokarev and Texaspoff, how are you guys still liking your MR918s after having them for a while?


I like it, although it doesn't get much range time anymore. I found when running drills with it, it became almost unbearably hot on the frame in front of the take down lever, front index points. The front rail inserts are in the frame in this area. This is also near the locking block. After about 3 or 4 mags during drills, this area becomes really hot. Enough that I have to be mindful of thumb placement.


While under most circumstances, this area wouldn't heat up. During drills, this becomes an issue for me. If it was 100 rounds I would say ok I need to suck it up, but after 6 mags during training, I can't rest my finger on the frame, and that's and issue for me.

Other than that, the MR918 is an awesome pistol and if they would come up with a 19X/G45 version I would likely get one.

For now, my G45's and G43X are my go to guns.


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[Tokarev]

I like it, although it doesn't get much range time anymore. I found when running drills with it, it became almost unbearably hot on the frame in front of the take down lever, front index points. The front rail inserts are in the frame in this area. This is also near the locking block. After about 3 or 4 mags during drills, this area becomes really hot. Enough that I have to be mindful of thumb placement.


While under most circumstances, this area wouldn't heat up. During drills, this becomes an issue for me. If it was 100 rounds I would say ok I need to suck it up, but after 6 mags during training, I can't rest my finger on the frame, and that's and issue for me.

Other than that, the MR918 is an awesome pistol and if they would come up with a 19X/G45 version I would likely get one.

For now, my G45's and G43X are my go to guns.


TXPOHave you noticed any loosening of the trigger pin? Mine doesn't jump the slide stop spring during use but it does "walk" from flush on one side of the frame to the other.

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[WobblyPossum]

I like it, although it doesn't get much range time anymore. I found when running drills with it, it became almost unbearably hot on the frame in front of the take down lever, front index points. The front rail inserts are in the frame in this area. This is also near the locking block. After about 3 or 4 mags during drills, this area becomes really hot. Enough that I have to be mindful of thumb placement.


While under most circumstances, this area wouldn't heat up. During drills, this becomes an issue for me. If it was 100 rounds I would say ok I need to suck it up, but after 6 mags during training, I can't rest my finger on the frame, and that's and issue for me.

Other than that, the MR918 is an awesome pistol and if they would come up with a 19X/G45 version I would likely get one.

For now, my G45's and G43X are my go to guns.


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That’s a little concerning but my range sessions are normally not too fast paced. I’ll normally go through 200-250 rounds over about two hours. I’ll see if I notice the issue.

[AKDoug]

What's the blem?


Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Precisely what was said earlier. A tiny flaw in the front strap texturing that I had to REALLY look for.

[cornstalker]

Have you noticed any loosening of the trigger pin? Mine doesn't jump the slide stop spring during use but it does "walk" from flush on one side of the frame to the other.

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Do you suppose that will lead to problems down the road?

Do you also notice the heating issue that Texaspoff experienced?

[Tokarev]

I haven't noticed the heat issue. I'll try to remember to look for it next time out.

Loose pin issue may or may not be a problem. Hypothetically at least that pin is held by spring tension. I know Glock pins get a little loose but usually only after excessive assembly/reassembly.

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[Tokarev]

Precisely what was said earlier. A tiny flaw in the front strap texturing that I had to REALLY look for.10-4 thanks for the reminder.

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[AKDoug]

I wish we could just pass that cheap lower around and let people try it out. It's too bad it's an FFL controlled item. It was my way of seeing if I really wanted to buy one.

[Tokarev]

Other than that, the MR918 is an awesome pistol and if they would come up with a 19X/G45 version I would likely get one.



I'd like to see Shadow Systems do a G47 variant. A 19X frame that works with owner's choice of 19 or 17 slide. Either slide would then also be available for purchase after the fact in case the consumer wanted to reconfigure later.


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[cornstalker]

Tokarev Texaspoff

Would you say that this might be a good gun for someone who loves Glock, but has short fingers and struggles with trigger reach, and also struggles with the Glock grip angle?

[Texaspoff]

Have you noticed any loosening of the trigger pin? Mine doesn't jump the slide stop spring during use but it does "walk" from flush on one side of the frame to the other.

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Mine flushes to one side as well. It's obviously moving, but it doesn't move out past the frame. I have been concerned about the locking block pin as it also flushes to one side. I took another pin and grooved out a small very light channel for the slide lock spring to sit. This should keep that pin from walking at all. I haven't installed it yet, but have it on standby in the event that pin becomes a problem.



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[cornstalker]

I believe I found my answer in the segment on frame contour.

I groped one in BassPro the other day. The location and texture of the stippling were amazing. The frame did indeed allow for far better trigger and control reach. $960 for an Elite with optic cut. I see one possibly coming home with me soon.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XChy-I-P8M

[cornstalker]

Of course now I see that Tok posted the same video back in June and I missed it. Oops.

[Tokarev]

I'm attending a Gabe White pistol class this weekend and have been running my MR918. No issues to report with the gun. The trigger is good. Repeatable and predictable. I've had a couple instances where my support hand has interfered with the slide stop. And the gun shoots a little high for me if I sort of let my concentration wander. Both are not uncommon for me with Glocks.

We ran a number of fairly low round count drills this morning but the drills got a bit more intense later on. Total rounds fired at any one time was about sixty rounds.

I haven't noticed any heat issues at all with the frame. I am running the gun with a TLR-7 attached and wonder if the light isn't acting like a heat sink. The slide has gotten pretty toasty but not the frame. Not that I've found anyway.

More tomorrow. But so far no issues related to the gun itself.

I did pull my Sokol Hi-Power out for the last two drills. The gun feels "round" after shooting the Glock copy all day. Good times!

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[cornstalker]

And the gun shoots a little high for me if I sort of let my concentration wander. Both are not uncommon for me with Glocks.


Which backstrap were you using?

[Tokarev]

Which backstrap were you using?The "Glock" one. Since my agency is transitioning to the Glock I'd like to keep the factory feel.

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[cornstalker]

The "Glock" one. Since my agency is transitioning to the Glock I'd like to keep the factory feel.

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For the sake of experimentation, have you tried the low backstrap to see how much it affects POI?

[Tokarev]

For the sake of experimentation, have you tried the low backstrap to see how much it affects POI?No. I tried the other back straps in regard to overall feel but that is all.

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[WobblyPossum]

Tokarev, from the Karl Sokol HiPower thread, I’m assuming you used the aluminum cased ammo in the MR918 as well. How did it function? We’re you using Magpul magazines or Glock magazines? The only issues I’ve had with one of my Glocks came from Blazer Aluminum in Magpul magazines. Have you tried any steel cased ammo in your gun?

[Tokarev]

I’m assuming you used the aluminum cased ammo in the MR918...The only issues I’ve had with one of my Glocks came from Blazer Aluminum in Magpul magazines. Have you tried any steel cased ammo in your gun?

I used the same ammo in both pistols during the class. I had no reliability problems with the MR918. I used several Glock mags of various vintage as well as one Magpul mag and one KCI mag.

The only steel cased ammo I've tried in the MR918 has been half a box of the Winchester stuff. It shot pretty well but I did have one failure to eject.


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[WobblyPossum]

I used the same ammo in both pistols during the class. I had no reliability problems with the MR918. I used several Glock mags of various vintage as well as one Magpul mag and one KCI mag.

The only steel cased ammo I've tried in the MR918 has been half a box of the Winchester stuff. It shot pretty well but I did have one failure to eject.


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Thanks. I’m looking forward to when mine arrives at my FFL. I’m probably just as excited to get to really put some time in with a RDS equipped pistol when I mount my 507c to it.

[Tokarev]

Thanks. I’m looking forward to when mine arrives at my FFL. I’m probably just as excited to get to really put some time in with a RDS equipped pistol when I mount my 507c to it.

What model did you order? Combat or Elite?


I see they're making a variant with an FDE frame now. Personally I'm still holding out hope for some type of 17 or 45/47 copy.

[WobblyPossum]

What model did you order? Combat or Elite?


I see they're making a variant with an FDE frame now. Personally I'm still holding out hope for some type of 17 or 45/47 copy.

I ordered a Combat with the optics cut. A small part of me is tempted to contact the company and change the order to an Elite but I don’t think I’d get much benefit from the slide cuts. I don’t think I’d gain anything from the top serrations. Shadow Systems recently posted on their Instagram that they’re releasing an MR918L which was a 17 sized slide on the 19 sized frame. They dropped some hints about a possible 17 sized gun coming a while ago so it’s probably on the way.

ETA: I found the comment I was thinking about. When asked about a 17 sized frame, the response was “in the works—likely middle of 2020.”

[AKDoug]

I ordered a Combat with the optics cut. A small part of me is tempted to contact the company and change the order to an Elite but I don’t think I’d get much benefit from the slide cuts. I don’t think I’d gain anything from the top serrations. Shadow Systems recently posted on their Instagram that they’re releasing an MR918L which was a 17 sized slide on the 19 sized frame. They dropped some hints about a possible 17 sized gun coming a while ago so it’s probably on the way.

I hope they have some blems. I have a 17 upper looking for a home.

[Tokarev]

Here's a pic I stole off Instagram showing the MR918 compared to the 918L.

The L variant, if it is a 17 length slide, would be a perfect platform for a Glock 47 copy. They've got the short dust cover on the frame and the 19 recoil spring. All that's needed is a 17 length grip. Granted it would take a new mold and new backstrap inserts...

Really hoping Shadow Systems goes this route as it would allow customers to choose between a 19, 45 and 17 based on which frame they initially went with.

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[Texaspoff]

Here's a pic I stole off Instagram showing the MR918 compared to the 918L.

The L variant, if it is a 17 length slide, would be a perfect platform for a Glock 47 copy. They've got the short dust cover on the frame and the 19 recoil spring. All that's needed is a 17 length grip. Granted it would take a new mold and new backstrap inserts...

Really hoping Shadow Systems goes this route as it would allow customers to choose between a 19, 45 and 17 based on which frame they initially went with.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/f4e08753dde0ffcc924f8fc491871bad.jpg

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I am so with you on that. If they had a 19X/G45 version I would order two right now. I could live with the heat issue as the positives far out weight that negative with the MR platform.



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[Tokarev]

I could live with the heat issue as the positives far out weight that negative...

Did you see my earlier post about heat? I used my 918 in a class recently. Most we shot in one rotation was about 60 rounds. The slide got pretty hot but the frame didn't seem to heat up too badly. I wonder if my TLR-7 is acting as a heat sink of sorts. It might be something to try if you have a spare weapon light handy.


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[WobblyPossum]

I’m also hoping the upcoming frame will be as tall as a G17 but as long as a G19. That would be the most versatile option. You’d be able to purchase the upcoming full-size gun and mix and match slides and frames with a currently owned MR918. You’d be able to configure pistols equivalent to the G19, G19L, G45, and G47 in size with just those two guns. It might be worth reaching out to Shadow Systems about it. If the full-size pistols won’t be available until at least mid-2020, they’re likely still in development and testing so changes to the design are still possible. The fact that they released the MR918L makes me think this is the way the company is planning to go. Otherwise, they’d need a new slide along with a new frame because the MR918L slide isn’t compatible with G17 dimension frame rails.

[Tokarev]

You’d be able to configure pistols equivalent to the G19, G19L, G45, and G47 in size with just those two guns.

That makes sense to me especially since Glock apparently doesn't have plans to sell the G47 commercially. It would give Shadow Systems a gun that's somewhat similar in modularity to the ZEV OZ9 and the ZRO.

Rather than design a new frame and make a new mold I wonder if it would be practical to make a backstrap insert that lengthens the frame to 17 length. Something similar in concept to what ZRO does on the Modulus:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-zrodelta-modulus-9mm-modular-pistol-system/

[Tokarev]

Confirmed via phone call with Shadow Systems. Full-size gun is on the drawing board and should be ready mid-2020. What exact configuration it will be is unknown at this time but my guess is it will be a 47-ish format.

[Texaspoff]

Did you see my earlier post about heat? I used my 918 in a class recently. Most we shot in one rotation was about 60 rounds. The slide got pretty hot but the frame didn't seem to heat up too badly. I wonder if my TLR-7 is acting as a heat sink of sorts. It might be something to try if you have a spare weapon light handy.


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I did some more testing an observation on where the heat was coming from. I appears more near the slide lock area, Stainless barrels tend to heat rather quickly, and my thought is it is transferring it's heat through the take down lever, and it's opening. My support hand thumb rests against the lever and the side of the frame, I have shorter thumbs. :) I was getting the heat from this area, not particularly the frame. I can adjust my hand a bit and keep my thumb away from the area, so to run the MR the way I want, I am going to have to adjust my grip slightly to accommodate for the heating.

You folks with normal sized hands probably haven't and wont experience the heating like I do.




Confirmed via phone call with Shadow Systems. Full-size gun is on the drawing board and should be ready mid-2020. What exact configuration it will be is unknown at this time but my guess is it will be a 47-ish format.

Well crap, I have a line on another used but like new MR918 combat that I was seriously considering picking up. If this new model is going to be 19X' ish in nature that means I either need to wait, or get them both, which would make the wife oh so happy.



TXPO

[Texaspoff]

I’m also hoping the upcoming frame will be as tall as a G17 but as long as a G19. That would be the most versatile option. You’d be able to purchase the upcoming full-size gun and mix and match slides and frames with a currently owned MR918. You’d be able to configure pistols equivalent to the G19, G19L, G45, and G47 in size with just those two guns. It might be worth reaching out to Shadow Systems about it. If the full-size pistols won’t be available until at least mid-2020, they’re likely still in development and testing so changes to the design are still possible. The fact that they released the MR918L makes me think this is the way the company is planning to go. Otherwise, they’d need a new slide along with a new frame because the MR918L slide isn’t compatible with G17 dimension frame rails.


That would make the most sense as well. Based on their current MR designs, and the 918L, all they would need to do is increased the length of the mold in the grip area. Everything else can remain the same, allowing the 19, and their 918L slide to run on the same frame. This would be a huge selling point for them.



TXPO

[Tokarev]

...all they would need to do is increased the length of the mold in the grip area. Everything else can remain the same, allowing the 19, and their 918L slide to run on the same frame.


I can't see any reason why they wouldn't other than just not realizing that it is a good idea.

[Tokarev]

Another pic of the MR918L. I assume they'll officially release this at SHOT.

I'm not opposed to a 19L but I'd rather have a full sized pistol. Still holding out hope that they'll make a 19L slide and 19X frame pistol.

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[WobblyPossum]

Picked my MR918 up from my FFL today. Immediately installed a Gadget and the Holosun 507c I had purchased a few months back. I’m really excited to try out the dot life. Sadly I may not be able to shoot it for a while due to life circumstances.

It definitely feels like a solid, well made pistol. Everything is so tight that the gun squeaks when I work the slide. The trigger feels okay but it’s not as smooth as I would prefer. I really like the back strap system and how low in the slide the RMR pocket is. You can see the regular height iron sights through the window. I also really like the grip texture and the slide serrations. Those details were well thought out. I wish I could buy a Gen5 G19 with a frame that felt like the MR918 frame and an RMR cut already mulled into the slide.

[WobblyPossum]

I lucked out. A coworker agreed to bring me to his range as a guest and I was able to take a quick trip with the MR918. I put 120 rounds through it and can already say I’m going to have a lot of work to do figuring out how to shoot a pistol with an optic one it. I’m having a lot of problems with wanting to pull the trigger “NOW!” at the moment the dot where I want it. Seeing my wobble zone translated to the red dot is maddening. If it’s true that you’re not supposed to lose the dot during recoil, then I have A LOT of work to do on my grip/stance/recoil control because I would lose the dot each time.

I managed a 275/300 on a Super Test, bombing the 15y stage pretty badly with one off target completely and two in the 7 ring. I’m not going to say that’s the fault of the gun or the red dot though. I just didn’t used my time properly and completed that string in under 9 seconds. If I had slowed down and actually used the allotted time properly, I would likely have tightened that up substantially.

As for the pistol itself, I immediately had a couple of issues feeding/chambering. I had three types of ammo: Federal American Eagle 115gr, Speer Lawman 124gr, and Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P. I started by loading up a magazine of 15 rounds of the AE. I locked the slide back, inserted the mag, hit the slide release and the nose of the bullet got stuck on the feed ramp. I cleared that and tried again. Same thing. Then I loaded a mag on a closed slide and tried racking the slide to chamber a round. Same issue. I decided to try the Lawman in case the pistol wasn’t friendly with AE. I first tried loading a round from slide lock. A fourth failure to feed. I tried a slide rack from a closed slide and the round finally chambered. Once I was able to start shooting, there were no further issues with any of the three types of ammunition. All the ammo would feed and chamber from slide lock and during the firing cycle.

The manual states the pistol needs 150-200 rounds to break in because the tolerances are tight and the metal parts need to wear in together. That’s the only reason I didn’t immediately contact Shadow Systems. I’ll keep shooting it and, if I don’t have any further issues, I’ll chalk it up to tight dimensions in need of a break in period.

Otherwise, it shot like a Glock 19. I found the muzzle flip and recoil characteristics similar to shooting a regular 19 except this one had a much better frame texture.

[Tokarev]

I talked to Jessica at Shadow Systems yesterday. We talked a little about new projects. Of course there's the MR918L but also something else in the works that she can't disclose. It should be ready for launch at SHOT.

I wonder what this new product might be. A full-size pistol? I don't think anyone would be shocked to see a Shadow G17 so why the secrecy?



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[Eagle1*]

OK, so I have been looking at these for a month or 2 and checking out all of the info on them from different forums. My only issue was that BassPro/Cabelas would not allow me to try the trigger until today. After complaining to the manager she allowed me to try it and I liked it but was not impressed with the price point on the standard combat model so I walked out so i could think about it. Well low and behold I walked into another fun store i frequent today and they had a non threaded elite model and only had the 1. I was allowed to try the trigger, my aiwb holster and basically play with it for awhile to see if i liked it. After realizing they were having a sale for xmas, i got it at a very good deal before tax so i bought it. I am super hap[py with it and cannot wait to shoot it as soon as i can.

Just a quick pic of it for now but will have more on it once i hit the range...46073

[Tokarev]

I decided it was time to get rid of the 124gr HST I've been carrying around in this gun for about six months. I replaced it with 147gr +P.

It was only 31 rounds of 124 followed by a few rounds of 147 to verify point of aim at 25 yards but I continue to be pleased and impressed with my MR918.

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[Eagle1*]

I too am liking this gun. I still think it is just a glorified glock 19 and I could have 2 guns for the price this cost but it does have a nice trigger pull and it is accurate as well so not all is lost. I only have 200 rounds through mine so far. Ironically, the only problem I have had is an american eagle 147 grain did not want to feed after the feed ramp was dirty when I hit the slide stop lever on a reload on the first round. Dont know if it is because of the flat nose of the 147 grain or not but when I pulled the slide rearward and loaded it on that mag, it was fine. Never had that problem the rest of the time so I am thinking it was a one time thing...

[Tod-13]

Somehow I missed this thread. Cool. Hoping their new release is a single stack or something else my wife's tiny hands will fit.

[Tokarev]

I too am liking this gun. I still think it is just a glorified glock 19...

It is absolutely a glorified Glock 19. Parts will interchange and it will work in G19 holsters.


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[Wendell]

...I still think it is just a glorified glock 19...

Me also, but in this month's issue of Calibre (https://calibremag.ca/), Shadow Systems has a two-page ad that proclaims themselves: "MAKERS OF THE REVOLUTIONARY MR918"

[Tokarev]

"MAKERS OF THE REVOLUTIONARY MR918"




What are they claiming is revolutionary?

Enhanced, maybe. Ergonomic, maybe. Even evolutionary.


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[Wendell]

The word 'revolutionary' caught my eye. At first, I thought it was the headline of an article, so I looked (for the article) to learn the basis for the use of the word 'revolutionary', but there was no article. Then I realized that it was just an advertisement.

[Grouse870]

https://warriorpoetsociety.us/war-poet-pistol/
This popped up on my YouTube page. Never heard of shadow system and did some googling and this page came up. Seems like a decent price and I kinda dig John Lovell.

[Steven T]

On their Instagram page it now shows makers of the MR920, the MR918 and High-Performance parts.
So I guess the MR920 is the new one. Hopefully Glock 17 sized.

[Wendell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07KsdXUoP2A

[Tokarev]

On their Instagram page it now shows makers of the MR920...So I guess the MR920 is the new one. Hopefully Glock 17 sized.

There's a media embargo in place on the MR920 until tomorrow. We should know more in 24 hours.



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[Kanye Wyoming]

I’ve become a really big fan of the Shadow Systems MR918.

The VP9 has been my lodestar for quite a while, in that with occasional exceptions that prove the rule I do modestly but measurably and consistently better with it than with a G19 or anything else on timed drills (Bill Drill, FAST, the Test, Casino), at 15 and 25 yards, and in classes. Before Jack Wilson made us focus specifically on whether we could make that 12-yard head shot under stress, it was the gun I wanted to have on me in case the sh*t ever hit the fan and I needed to be the best and sharpest and most confident I’m capable of being.

But of course the VP9 is taller than a G19 and therefore more challenging to conceal. The VP9 striker drop issue discussed in another thread isn’t something I particularly worry about but with a Glock it’s not even something you have to think about. Although all things being equal a Gadget is a big plus, I’ve become pretty confident with my VP9 holstering protocol and can accept life without a Gadget.

After having been alerted to it by Tokarev and Texaspoff in this thread and doing some additional poking around I picked up the MR918 last summer. It wasn’t that long before I was shooting it exactly on par with the VP9, and actually with more consistency. Apart from being just as concealable and light as a G19, and being able to put a Gadget on it, it’s got a number of very appealing features. For example, nice texturing, backstraps that allow you to alter the grip angle from 1911-ish to M&P-ish to Glock-ish (I ultimately settled on the Glock-ish), terrific sights, and an easy to install mag well. I find it to be a very flat shooter, there’s hardly any recoil to speak of, and as shown in one of their YouTube videos posted earlier in this thread, it nicely survived a squib load which suggests that it’s built pretty robustly.

I’ll also add that their customer service is A+++. They are the nicest guys around, and passionate about making sure you’re happy. I had a question about a spring and one of their guys was on the phone with me for a half hour and gave me his cell phone number in case I wanted to follow up about my issue or anything else.

The gun isn’t cheap, but it’s definitely not at all expensive for what you get. A big winner in my book. I will likely sell my two G19s and pick up another one of these.

ETA: roughly 1800 rounds through it, no hiccups.

[Tokarev]

So here's the MR920. I guess it might be best described as an MR918A1.

The beavertail is slightly elongated and the slide release is reshaped and has a bit more of a fence around it. The general lines of the pistol have been changed so it isn't so blocky.

Probably the biggest change is the redesign of the extractor plunger. It is shorter and no longer comes out with the striker. The shorter plunger allows Shadow Systems to use longer screws to mount a red dot. It also means there are several sets of holes that allow the shooter to mount an RMR or DeltaPoint.

I was expecting to see a G17 inspired gun. One is in the works but it isn't ready for sale yet.

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[Det1397]

I just picked up an FDE MR918 Combat and of course want to (need to!) install a Gadget. Can anyone confirm which variation of the SCD is correct for this pistol?

BTW, I checked with Tom_Jones and he was not sure himself...

Thanks!

[Kanye Wyoming]

I just picked up an FDE MR918 Combat and of course want to (need to!) install a Gadget. Can anyone confirm which variation of the SCD is correct for this pistol?

BTW, I checked with Tom_Jones and he was not sure himself...

Thanks!
Gen1-4.

[WobblyPossum]

I bought the reduced pretravel version since the marketing on Shadow’s website says they reduced take up over the stock trigger.

[cornstalker]

Bass Pro Shops ad. Starting 2/27 at our local store

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[Shawnw]

Bass Pro Shops ad. Starting 2/27 at our local store

49024

This sale is $50 higher than the normal price it seems.

49026

[cornstalker]

This sale is $50 higher than the normal price it seems.

Wow! Good catch.

[Kanye Wyoming]

This sale is $50 higher than the normal price it seems.
Good to see AOC is finally putting her economics degree to good use by moonlighting as Director of Marketing for Bass Pro Shops.

[GearFondler]

This sale is $50 higher than the normal price it seems.


Those flyers don't print themselves for free, you know.

[Tokarev]

According to the Shadow Systems website the MR918 is out of production. Not surprising with the announcement of the 920.

920 pistols don't appear to be shipping yet. At least not in large numbers.

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[EVP]

Just curious what is the appeal to these non-Glock glocks?


Don’t really get it?

[Tokarev]

Just curious what is the appeal to these non-Glock glocks?


Don’t really get it?Beavertail that's part of the frame and not some pinned on complete afterthought.

And now an optics cut that'll fit multiple units without an adapter plate.

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[Kanye Wyoming]

Just curious what is the appeal to these non-Glock glocks?


Don’t really get it?
Can’t speak for other non-Glock Glocks, but as for this one, it polishes the rough edges of a Glock 19 by incorporating a lot of the common things some people wish a Glock 19 had, or that they might want to do to a Glock 19, at a very reasonable cost.

Good texture on the grips so no need for stippling or Talon Grips.

Nice undercuts on the trigger guard, so no need to send it out for frame work or DIY futzing with that.

Backstraps that allow you to alter the grip angle from 1911-ish to M&P-ish to Glock-ish, so no need to send out for frame work if you don’t care for the Glock grip angle.

Nice beavertail - enough but not overdone - incorporated into the frame.

Really excellent night sights.

Available with RMR cut for about $50 more, and on the new model it’s cut for pretty much all of the common optics.

Easy to install mag well if that’s your thing.

Really grippy front and rear serrations although that’s probably more of a cosmetic thing.

[awmp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du8kXPzCLV4

Mags maybe the weak point or other issues, but this was with the older model.

[Tokarev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du8kXPzCLV4

Mags maybe the weak point or other issues, but this was with the older model.Mine fails the muzzle up with finger on trigger function check with the factory spring. It passes the test with a Glock factory Gen4 spring. I wonder if they tried a Glock spring in that gun.


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[Tokarev]

MR920s appear to be shipping as I see a number of listings on gunbroker.

It is possible that guns are not in stock yet with listings being posted in anticipation of receiving guns from Shadow Systems.

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[Tokarev]

A recent YouTube video

https://youtu.be/Nthk9Tc-LaI

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[dontshakepandas]

Just saw a report of a MR918 that fired when dropped. I briefly looked at purchasing one of these, but now I'm glad I stuck with Glocks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/k9g6t8/drop_safetys_do_not_always_work_today_i_had_an/


Today, I had an accidental discharge from a drop of my pistol. About a 2 foot drop onto the back of the slide. The gun fell out of my gun safe and hit the tile floor. The gun fell on its own, with a full magazine, with no holster in place.
The red mark is the bullet grazing my head. It even gave me a haircut. I am lucky to be alive. Please hug your loved ones, life is too short. Everyone is fine.
Update: As a learning lesson from this. The general firearm safety rule, is if a gun is falling, simply let it fall and do not attempt to grab it. When attempts are made to keep the firearm from falling, that is when safety mechanisms and triggers are pulled accidentally, causing discharges. I did not touch the pistol when it fell at all whatsoever. It fell from the shelf to the floor uninterrupted.
This case was a massive malfunction of the pistol which caused the accidental discharge of the firearm when it hit the floor.

[Tokarev]

Double post. Sorry.

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[dontshakepandas]

Do we know if the gun in question had been modified after it left Shadow Systems?

https://youtu.be/qDIuoJCZ1Ck


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He stated it was completely stock in a few of the comments.

[Tokarev]

Do we know if the gun in question had been modified after it left Shadow Systems? He seems to indicate that it wasn't but I'm not on reddit and can't see the comments, etc.

Here's a recent video from Shadow Systems. Possibly in response?


https://youtu.be/qDIuoJCZ1Ck


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[Hot Cereal]

I will never understand why people pay exorbitant amounts of money for “custom” Glock clones. You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a Glock. These releases are so meh and boring to me. All these companies essentially going back to the well time and time again with different slide cuts, whiz bang triggers, fancy coatings and finishes. I just don’t see a point to them, it’s still just a Glock.

I’d love to go head to head against someone with a Gucci Glock vs me and my stock beat-to-shit Glocks. Maybe it’s my ego talking here, but I wager a good number of the people forking out the cash for these guns really aren’t good shooters to begin with. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. :cool:

[dontshakepandas]

I will never understand why people pay exorbitant amounts of money for “custom” Glock clones. You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a Glock. These releases are so meh and boring to me. All these companies essentially going back to the well time and time again with different slide cuts, whiz bang triggers, fancy coatings and finishes. I just don’t see a point to them, it’s still just a Glock.

I’d love to go head to head against someone with a Gucci Glock vs me and my stock beat-to-shit Glocks. Maybe it’s my ego talking here, but I wager a good number of the people forking out the cash for these guns really aren’t good shooters to begin with. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. :cool:

I think you'd be right in most cases, but there are some features that offer actual improvements. For example, the optic cut on these are better than the M.O.S. options, and the beavertail can help those of us with fat hands from getting slide bite when we get a high grip.

None of the improvements are worth getting shot in the head if you drop your gun though.

[Tokarev]

None of the improvements are worth getting shot in the head if you drop your gun though.

I emailed the reddit link above to Shadow Systems to see if they've seen and if they have a response.

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[Hot Cereal]

I think you'd be right in most cases, but there are some features that offer actual improvements. For example, the optic cut on these are better than the M.O.S. options, and the beavertail can help those of us with fat hands from getting slide bite when we get a high grip.

None of the improvements are worth getting shot in the head if you drop your gun though.

No doubt there are some definite advantages. I suffer from terrible slide bite shooting Glocks. So much so that I hate shooting them. I just don’t see the appeal to the general shooting public. I guess they’re cool, which is fine, everyone can spend their money how they want, I simply firmly believe that most people would be better off spending their cash on ammo, more ammo, legit training and more legit training before they spent it on a Gucci anything.

[Wendell]

This is old, from July, but I didn't see it until today.


Making a better Glock than Glock? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTHjT9CSGM)
Posted to YouTube on July 31, 2020, by IITV (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu-w7huUgtiCV0MZHa5ltYQ)
Chad Jewett, Vice President of Shadow Systems Corp., sits down via zoom to talk a bit about gun politics and and how guns are perceived by gun enthusiasts. Also he'll tell us a little bit about Shadow Systems a company that is manufacturing a Glock style pistol, but with a little extra.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTHjT9CSGM

[GJM]

So do people think a stock pistol went bang when dropped, and if so why? If this legit, my Shadow is going away.

[EVP]

I will never understand why people pay exorbitant amounts of money for “custom” Glock clones. You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a Glock. These releases are so meh and boring to me. All these companies essentially going back to the well time and time again with different slide cuts, whiz bang triggers, fancy coatings and finishes. I just don’t see a point to them, it’s still just a Glock.

I’d love to go head to head against someone with a Gucci Glock vs me and my stock beat-to-shit Glocks. Maybe it’s my ego talking here, but I wager a good number of the people forking out the cash for these guns really aren’t good shooters to begin with. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. :cool:


I totally agree and asked that question earlier in this thread.

I don’t get why someone would spend money on a Glock clone that is pretty untested to the masses and unproven. With the release of the gen 5 Glocks that have gone through extensive testing, why would you want to stray from that?

There are aftermarket MOS plates and beaver tails that can be used.
I would rather take a stock Glock.

[Kanye Wyoming]

Whatever the Shadow Systems secret sauce is, my MR918 shoots noticeably flatter than a stock G19, feels better in the hand, and is easier to grip and draw. I’ll be VERY happy to learn in the coming weeks that the ingredients in the secret sauce do not include giving me a haircut when dropped.

[Hot Cereal]

Is there a drop fire issue with some of Shadow System’s guns? Please excuse my ignorance. I joined this discussion late and I’m too lazy to read all 200 something responses.

[GJM]

Is there a drop fire issue with some of Shadow System’s guns? Please excuse my ignorance. I joined this discussion late and I’m too lazy to read all 200 something responses.

Start one page back, page 20.

[Tokarev]

So do people think a stock pistol went bang when dropped, and if so why? If this legit, my Shadow is going away.

Hard telling at this point. Is this an isolated incident or have there been other reports?

The reddit guy's story seems plausible but then he makes mention of not trying to catch the gun as it falls. Is that just a general comment on safety as he suggests or is he admitting without admitting that that's what he did?

In the video I linked above, the CEO of Shadow covers how the drop safeties work and why they did what they did with regards to trigger and pre-travel.

[dontshakepandas]

Hard telling at this point. Is this an isolated incident or have there been other reports?

The reddit guy's story seems plausible but then he makes mention of not trying to catch the gun as it falls. Is that just a general comment on safety as he suggests or is he admitting without admitting that that's what he did?



He did clarify that he let it fall somewhere else. I think that was just meant general comment on safety.

Just like any other dude on the internet, there isn't really a way of knowing if he's telling the truth or the whole truth. We don't know who he is or if he has some way of benefiting from making this up, or if he has made modifications to the gun and just doesn't want to admit it after this.

Ishared it because it seemed like important info and didn't appear to be complete fiction. Even if everything he says is true, it is a sample size of one so that doesn't mean there is necessarily a problem with the design of the Shadow Systems guns... but that doesn't mean there ISN'T a problem with the design either.

This was said previously, but as such a small manufacturer there just isn't any way they can compare with the testing that Glock does, not to mention all of the other testing Glocks have been through for contracts, department use, etc. The videos make it clear that they took care in ensuring the safety of the design, so hopefully this is just a one off.

I'm very interested to see if they respond about the Reddit post, and really hope they are able to get their hands on the pistol to figure out what happened.

*EDIT - he did state he has contacted the company and is going to send the gun in so they can take a look at it.

[dontshakepandas]

Double Post - Delete

[Hot Cereal]

Ok, my laziness has caught up. Several years back I saw a video (I’ll try to find it) demonstrating how aftermarket Glock triggers sometimes disengage the striker block safety because the trigger pre-travel was reduced to be as minimal as possible. It caused the trigger bar to engage the striker block while the trigger was at rest. This ND situation is for sure a head scratcher to figure out.

[sickeness]

He did clarify that he let it fall somewhere else. I think that was just meant general comment on safety.

Just like any other dude on the internet, there isn't really a way of knowing if he's telling the truth or the whole truth. We don't know who he is or if he has some way of benefiting from making this up, or if he has made modifications to the gun and just doesn't want to admit it after this.

Ishared it because it seemed like important info and didn't appear to be complete fiction. Even if everything he says is true, it is a sample size of one so that doesn't mean there is necessarily a problem with the design of the Shadow Systems guns... but that doesn't mean there ISN'T a problem with the design either.

This was said previously, but as such a small manufacturer there just isn't any way they can compare with the testing that Glock does, not to mention all of the other testing Glocks have been through for contracts, department use, etc. The videos make it clear that they took care in ensuring the safety of the design, so hopefully this is just a one off.

I'm very interested to see if they respond about the Reddit post, and really hope they are able to get their hands on the pistol to figure out what happened.

*EDIT - he did state he has contacted the company and is going to send the gun in so they can take a look at it.

Also I noticed this guy only has literally 2 posts ever on that account.
I'm finding it hard to believe that the multiple redundant safety systems on the glock platform could have all failed so spectacularly. Even if it is a "clone".

[Tokarev]

He did clarify that he let it fall somewhere else. I think that was just meant general comment on safety.

I'm very interested to see if they respond about the Reddit post, and really hope they are able to get their hands on the pistol to figure out what happened.



Also I noticed this guy only has literally 2 posts ever on that account.



Not sure what's going on as I'm not familiar with reddit or its intricacies but the poster's account appears to have been deleted. Does reddit ban/delete stuff that's controversial or has the user done this on his own account?


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[exuberant]

Not sure what's going on as I'm not familiar with reddit or its intricacies but the poster's account appears to have been deleted. Does reddit ban/delete stuff that's controversial or has the user done this on his own account?


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If the user's page (/u/username) says the account was deleted, then the user deleted the account his/herself. Otherwise it would say the user was suspended (banned).

[Tokarev]

Anyone seen any updates anywhere on Drop Gate the Shadow Systems Edition?



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