PCC That Takes M&P Mags, Seems Like An Opportunity for S&W

[mmc45414]

I like my M&Ps, have a significant number of them, and have no desire to migrate to another striker gun.
I have a CMMG 9mm AR that uses Colt pattern mags I really enjoy.
I am envious of my friends who have 9mm ARs that take their Glock mags.
I think Wilson makes an AR that takes M&P mags, but it is $1800 and I am not that envious.
S&W does not make a 9mm AR.

That just seem like a peanut butter and chocolate kinda opportunity for S&W...

[CleverNickname]

I think your best option in the short term would be an M&P magwell for the Ruger PCC. A couple seem to be in development.

[shakazulu12]

Nordic components makes one that will take Glock or M&P mags by changing the magwell adapter. The ones I have seen shooting PCC run well.

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[Wake27]

I like my M&Ps, have a significant number of them, and have no desire to migrate to another striker gun.
I have a CMMG 9mm AR that uses Colt pattern mags I really enjoy.
I am envious of my friends who have 9mm ARs that take their Glock mags.
I think Wilson makes an AR that takes M&P mags, but it is $1800 and I am not that envious.
S&W does not make a 9mm AR.

That just seem like a peanut butter and chocolate kinda opportunity for S&W...

The Wilson AR9 was introduced in an M&P format but I haven’t seen it on their website in several months. I assumed they cut it due to lack of sales.


Nordic components makes one that will take Glock or M&P mags by changing the magwell adapter. The ones I have seen shooting PCC run well.

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I’ve heard good things and am super interested in this but they’re very hard to find in stock lately. I have seen one place selling the M&P variant with the last few days but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the Glock version available, also making me wonder about how long it’ll be in production.


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[mmc45414]

I think your best option in the short term would be an M&P magwell for the Ruger PCC. A couple seem to be in development.I was thinking more specifically AR, but that might be interesting, being the break down and all.



Nordic components makes one that will take Glock or M&P mags by changing the magwell adapter.
I wasn't aware of the Nordic, or I had forgotten.

But I should have added that my idea here is based around the typical M&P AR being around $500. The exotics are cool, but was thinking more like "Gee, it sure would be neat if S&W made a 9mm AR that took their own mags for about the same price they sell their 5.56 AR for". Could be that at current prices they don't care how many they might sell... :)

[Grouse870]

Same page. Would love an AR (or the ruger) that takes M&P mags

[shakazulu12]

But I should have added that my idea here is based around the typical M&P AR being around $500. The exotics are cool, but was thinking more like "Gee, it sure would be neat if S&W made a 9mm AR that took their own mags for about the same price they sell their 5.56 AR for". Could be that at current prices they don't care how many they might sell... :)

That actually makes a whole lot of sense.

[CleverNickname]

I found this M&P 9mm magwell adapter for AR15's today: https://getstern.com/mag-admp9-40-p320/

The same company also sells Glock 9mm, Beretta 92 and M&P45 magwell adapters for AR15's.

[Erick Gelhaus]

A M&P adapter for the Ruger PCC would be awesome. As for that AR platform with the changeable mag wells ... sadly, that will have to wait for a post-retirement move.

[Grouse870]

Ets should have M&P mags in 17,22,33 (not sure on the last 2 sizes) in June. Just an FYI

[mmc45414]

I found this M&P 9mm magwell adapter for AR15's todayThank you for this!! If I could build a second lower and reliably move my upper it would be pretty good. Now I have something else to yearn for.. :)


A M&P adapter for the Ruger PCC would be awesome.It looks like it just takes a simple slot to be cut and they lock into the Ruger mag well. If I would get the wants for one I would probably alter a few of my M&P mags.

[awp_101]

I found this M&P 9mm magwell adapter for AR15's today: https://getstern.com/mag-admp9-40-p320/

The same company also sells Glock 9mm, Beretta 92 and M&P45 magwell adapters for AR15's.
These adapters really have me on the fence about buying the Ruger or building an AR9. With 3 adapters I can run my B92 mags, the Glock or M&P9 mags the boys have (the oldest is an M&P guy, the youngest is a Glock guy and I'm probably about to become an M&P guy again) or 320 mags if they become inexpensive and plentiful. The down side is I can buy the Ruger for the cost of the 3 adapters but I'm having a hard time convincing myself it's not a huge downside.

[mmc45414]

These adapters really have me on the fence about buying the Ruger or building an AR9. With 3 adapters I can run my B92 mags, the Glock or M&P9 mags the boys have (the oldest is an M&P guy, the youngest is a Glock guy and I'm probably about to become an M&P guy again) or 320 mags if they become inexpensive and plentiful. The down side is I can buy the Ruger for the cost of the 3 adapters but I'm having a hard time convincing myself it's not a huge downside.
My AR9 is one of the best things I did that I didn't think I wanted to do. If you shoot pistols at steel plates being able to run the same drills on the same plates is awesome. Someday I might get a Ruger, but thinking more of a takedown neat thing that could take my M&P mags.

The adapters are really interesting to me but pretty expensive. I have a Colt pattern CMMG that is running great, I am somewhat tempted to maybe put together a second lower that I could slide under my current upper. In my past experience the things do not just drop right in, you might start with one and try it before you set your expectation that you will pull one out and swap it. As cheap as lowers are right now it might be simple enough to have a three lowers. Maybe get one of the PSA guns for the Glock mags, then maybe a second lower for the M&P.

[awp_101]

Someday I might get a Ruger, but thinking more of a takedown neat thing that could take my M&P mags.
Just following this train of thought, what about one of those takedown barrel nut assemblies for ARs? IIRC the one I've looked at in the past was something like Dolos Pantheon (Parthenon? something like that) but my ADD kicked in and I went on to some other project before really digging into them.

Combined with something like a Law folder, it would make a compact (if slow to deploy) package.

I've done the AR9 thing in the past, both rifle and pistol versions. As fun and useful as they can be, I don't know why I keep selling/trading my way out of them.

[mmc45414]

Just following this train of thought, what about one of those takedown barrel nut assemblies for ARs?
Yes, there are some cool options out there. I am not really in need of something takedown, just that learning that the Ruger would take tweaked M&P mags moved it from the category of:
Don't Need One / Don't Want One / Wouldn't Buy One If It Was A Deal
to
That Would Be Cool! / I Am Going To Put That On The List Of Wants!

Understand the list of wants is long, very long, and this is a new addition, there are lots of things ahead of it. But if I tripped over a deal I could buy one next week. Sorta like the day I was at a gun show to sell something to get the funds to buy an optic I wanted for my AR, and after I sold whatever it was I went to the one vendor I thought might have an Eotech and bought a Super Blackhawk instead. A 5.5" stainless SBH with Simply Rugged leather for $350, the optic had to wait :)


I've done the AR9 thing in the past, both rifle and pistol versions. As fun and useful as they can be, I don't know why I keep selling/trading my way out of them.I was reluctant to get one, but it turned out to be the most fun thing I didn't want, ever! :)

ETA: If you do transition to the M&P you could cover you and your sons with the Ruger, swapping between the Glock and tweaked M&P mags.

[awp_101]

Yes, there are some cool options out there. I am not really in need of something takedown, just that learning that the Ruger would take tweaked M&P mags moved it from the category of:
Don't Need One / Don't Want One / Wouldn't Buy One If It Was A Deal
to
That Would Be Cool! / I Am Going To Put That On The List Of Wants!

Understand the list of wants is long, very long, and this is a new addition, there are lots of things ahead of it. But if I tripped over a deal I could buy one next week.
So a funny thing happened on the way to the hardware store yesterday...

I didn't know M&P mags could be modded until your post so I started looking around and found a vid and that really made it more interesting to me. Yesterday I needed to go to the hardware store and decided I'd make the rounds of my usual gun shops to see what sales might be going on for the holiday weekend. The last shop also happened to be where I have a rifle on consignment. Right after I came in he told he'd sold the rifle so I looked around and he had 1 more NIB PCC in stock, $475. Now he has zero. I'll bring him the remaining balance and pick it up Tuesday.



Sorta like the day I was at a gun show to sell something to get the funds to buy an optic I wanted for my AR, and after I sold whatever it was I went to the one vendor I thought might have an Eotech and bought a Super Blackhawk instead. A 5.5" stainless SBH with Simply Rugged leather for $350, the optic had to wait :)

I'dve been hard pressed to pass on that SBH deal as well and I'm not a .44 Mag guy.

[mmc45414]

So a funny thing happened on the way to the hardware store yesterday...Sweet, I love a successful enabling :)


I didn't know M&P mags could be modded until your post so I started looking around and found a vid and that really made it more interesting to me.Which video did you find? The one I saw was pretty crude, but it made me understand it could be done, but I would go about it differently. The one I saw was the one with the Dremel cut off wheel.


I'dve been hard pressed to pass on that SBH deal as well and I'm not a .44 Mag guy.Yeah, that was the epitome of being dynamic and flexible, as to not pass up a smoking del.

[awp_101]

Which video did you find? The one I saw was pretty crude, but it made me understand it could be done, but I would go about it differently. The one I saw was the one with the Dremel cut off wheel.

This is the one I found, probably the same one you did:

https://youtu.be/13ZetRPw404

Yes, I can think of a better way to do the conversion than a 1"+ Dremel cutoff wheel...
https://flimg.flickr.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.staticflickr.com%2F1792%2 F28859502147_885eacb8f1_o.gif&h=60b6b3f74dae62a267aa96a9a1f46316e0a99d70e8dd1561 45815a53703cf33b

Having seen the process though, I'm looking forward to seeing if a B92 mag can be modded.

[mmc45414]

This is the one I found, probably the same one you didYes


Yes, I can think of a better way to do the conversion than a 1"+ Dremel cutoff wheel...Yeah, no shit. I admire his stones for figuring this out, but... I think two holes that get the top corners squared of and the space between removed somehow.


Having seen the process though, I'm looking forward to seeing if a B92 mag can be modded.Hmmm....

[awp_101]

Yeah, no shit. I admire his stones for figuring this out, but... I think two holes that get the top corners squared of and the space between removed somehow.
I'm thinking a slightly undersized drill bit, 2 or 3 holes drilled in a vertical line then some file work. Then again I never officially graduated from WECSOG so maybe I should stay in my lane...

Or this may be the project that makes me see if the HF vertical mill I was given actually works.

[mmc45414]

I'm thinking a slightly undersized drill bit, 2 or 3 holes drilled in a vertical line then some file work. I was thinking two holes the width of the notch, then you just have to remove the material between the holes and then square up the corners.


Or this may be the project that makes me see if the HF vertical mill I was given actually works.I was thinking this would be the project that would get me to finnaly BUY a tabletop mill.
- Ruger PCC, $475
- Table Top Mill, $500-$1000
- Donor M&P Mags, $23ea
- Having a carbine that accepts magazines from your $400 pistol? Well, not exactly priceless, but kinda cool :)


Then again I never officially graduated from WECSOG so maybe I should stay in my lane...I didn't even know what WECSOG is and had to look it up, so where does that leave me?!?!? :)

[awp_101]

I picked up my carbine this evening and after spending a short time studying and looking, I think 92 mags are going to be doable with the same mod as the M&P mags.


I was thinking two holes the width of the notch, then you just have to remove the material between the holes and then square up the corners.
The holes are going to have to be vertically stacked because the actual mag catch is vertical. That's why the Dremel jockey cut the way he did. I kind of thought that was the case looking at the hole in the Ruger mag on the vid but I wasn't sure until I had the carbine in hand.


I didn't even know what WECSOG is and had to look it up, so where does that leave me?!?!? :)
Hopefully not having done some of the "gunsmithing" I've done in the past.:D I can think of a Mauser and a Martini Cadet that were rebarreled with barrel vises and "receiver wrenches" made from stuff I had on hand because I was too cheap and impatient to order the correct tools. Then there was the S&W .455 HE frame that I picked up cheap to build myself a .45 Colt S&W that I bent during a barrel test fit because I was too cheap and impatient to order the correct tools. I left it too high in the bench vise when tried to turn it that last bit and I managed to spring the frame.

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[mmc45414]

I think 92 mags are going to be doable with the same mod as the M&P mags.
The holes are going to have to be vertically stacked because the actual mag catch is vertical.
It would seem like the only really crucial position would be the top of the slot? It could be a little wide, it could be a little long, but the top of the slot has to be in the right location. Probably can square up the tops of the factory mag and scribe some lines.


Hopefully not having done some of the "gunsmithing" I've done in the past.:D
… barrel vises and "receiver wrenches" made from stuff I had on hand because I was too cheap and impatient to order the correct tools.
… I left it too high in the bench vise when tried to turn it that last bit and I managed to spring the frame.
I think somewhere on P-F there might be a picture of a guy, possibly with initials that start with the letter "M", who had a M-69 with a slightly canted barrel, that concocted a clamp and wrench arrangement out of lumber...

[awp_101]

It would seem like the only really crucial position would be the top of the slot? It could be a little wide, it could be a little long, but the top of the slot has to be in the right location. Probably can square up the tops of the factory mag and scribe some lines.
Yes, the top should be the key. The factory mag has a vertical slot that's about 1/2" tall and maybe 1/8" wide and I think the closer I can stay to that the happier the mag will be because that's also about the size of the piece on the mag catch that actually holds the mag in place. I was surprised to see it set up that way, I was expecting something to key in from the side using the mag catch holes from the pistol.


I think somewhere on P-F there might be a picture of a guy, possibly with initials that start with the letter "M", who had a M-69 with a slightly canted barrel, that concocted a clamp and wrench arrangement out of lumber...

https://live.staticflickr.com/1874/44750248581_8a0a41b5e6_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bbqHQ2)

[awp_101]

Having seen the process though, I'm looking forward to seeing if a B92 mag can be modded.
Having now done the process, I can say I don't think it's worth the effort when Glock mags are so stupid cheap. There's only a small window between the correct height to properly feed and the bottom of the ejector (at least I think it's the ejector).

I modded one Mec-Gar 15 round magazine. It was hard to get the right seating depth without impinging on the ejector. It hand fed a couple of dummies and I tried it at the range yesterday. It sort of feeds but doesn't lock in very well. The lock up can be (probably) be fixed with some more file work, getting the correct height for proper feeding is going to be outside of my current skill set.

For me, I'd be time and money ahead to either wait for a B92 mag adapter or just biting the bullet and stocking up on Glock mags. Which really isn't a bad idea anyway...

[mmc45414]

Just to confirm, you didnt try an M&P mag, correct?

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