Ruger Security 9 Compact

[Tokarev]

Another new launch just in time for NRAAM.

https://ruger.com/products/security9/specSheets/3818.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1EL81w5Zs

I'm not overly impressed with the full-size gun but I understand the appeal and I'm sure this one will also sell pretty well.

[Sammy1]

Looks a like an inexpensive G26. I tried the full size security 9 and like it.

[TheNewbie]

Man imagine if it had a full sized safety.

[Tokarev]

Man imagine if it had a full sized safety.
That's one of the things I don't like about the gun. I think Ruger's idea is to make the safety small enough that it can be ignored by those who don't want to use it. Okay. So why not make it big enough that those who want to use it can use it? Those who want to ignore it can still ignore it.

[Whirlwind06]

Small safety and no firing pin block. Had the full size and sold it. Great idea but add fp block imo.

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[TheNewbie]

Small safety and no firing pin block. Had the full size and sold it. Great idea but add fp block imo.

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I don't think the LCP has a firing pin block either. Am I wrong?

[Whirlwind06]

No it doesn't but it has a longer Tigger pull. I looked the lcr 2 and was put off by the short trigger and no fp block or safety.

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[Tokarev]

What would happen if Ruger took a page from CZ's book and made a gun that looked like a Glock 19? They could even go a step further and use Glock mags and sight cuts. Ship with Magpul mags to make it look like the Glock compatibility was accidental. They could go one step further and make the gun shaped almost like a Glock so it would fit Glock holsters.

Take it even further and make a gun that takes Gen3 or Gen4 internal parts. Make it a close copy. Maybe add some cosmetic work so the slide looks like a Security 9 slide and use a back strap system similar to the Nomad frame or maybe the M&P. Top it off with a version of the MOS plate.

How would the market respond? Just another aftermarket Glock clone like a Poly80 or a Lone Wolf? Or something interesting from an American company that's known for good prices and good customer service?

I think I have mixed feelings about the idea but I would prefer something like this imaginary Rulock over the Security line of pistols. And what happened to the Ruger American? Apparently even Ruger has decided not to take that gun seriously....



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[Tokarev]

So now that I'm thinking about this new Rulock:

Make the frame rails out of steel (possibly aluminum to keep the weight down?) and base the gun off the G19 locking block. The frame rails would be basically the top section of the frame. To this would be added a grip housing that's the trigger guard and mag well. Think STI 2011 frame here...

This grip housing and trigger guard would be available in various lengths (17, 19) and also a couple different sizes. It would be similar in concept to the P320 grip modules. Then the slide/barrel would be available in a short, medium, and "long" format that would all be based off the 19 locking block. As I envision this thing, it would use all Glock internals with maybe the exception being the locking block. The locking block could probably be machined directly into the frame rails.

ZEV or Zero Delta is doing something pretty similar but both those guns are quite expensive. So could something like this be make at a price that's pretty close to Glock? More importantly, would it actually sell?

[358156hp]

I've never envisioned Ruger as a copycat company, even when it would be in their best interests to go a little more mainstream with some designs. This has worked out very well for their revolvers, but their semi-auto designs seem to suffer at times because of it. Sometimes the darned square peg just needs to go into the darned square hole:)

[Tokarev]

I've never envisioned Ruger as a copycat company, even when it would be in their best interests to go a little more mainstream with some designs. This has worked out very well for their revolvers, but their semi-auto designs seem to suffer at times because of it. Sometimes the darned square peg just needs to go into the darned square hole:)I don't disagree but do kind of.

Ruger's 1911 line is an entire series of copycats. Good ones, in my experience. But copies none the less.

The M77 is a 98 Mauser action at heart.

The Mini-14 is a reworked M1/M14 with a different gas system.

While it doesn't share any internal parts or design features I can't help but wonder if the 10/22 wasn't designed in part to look a bunch like an M1 Carbine.

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[358156hp]

You do make excellent points Tokarev. My Ruger focus has always been primarily on handguns and I didn't really consider the rifle aspect. As far as 1911s go, Ruger seems to make perfectly adequate versions, but then again so do most manufacturers.

So I mildly disagree with myself, within context of course :)

[Tokarev]

You do make excellent points Tokarev. My Ruger focus has always been primarily on handguns and I didn't really consider the rifle aspect. As far as 1911s go, Ruger seems to make perfectly adequate versions, but then again so do most manufacturers.

So I mildly disagree with myself, within context of course :)Ruger double action revolvers are certainly a design unto themselves. The LCR is probably the class leader in the concealed carry market. At least in terms of money for features.

The striker semi-auto market seems to have eluded Ruger so far. They've tried hard with the SR series and now the Security line. The American has been mostly a fizzle. I hope they'll get there eventually.

One more copycat--the single action guns are generally a Colt SAA but I suppose there's not much room to do something different with that technology. I certainly doubt a polymer and aluminum hybrid Blackhawk would sell very well....

And how the heck did I fail to mention the AR-556 in my earlier list?

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[Whirlwind06]

I've never envisioned Ruger as a copycat company, even when it would be in their best interests to go a little more mainstream with some designs. This has worked out very well for their revolvers, but their semi-auto designs seem to suffer at times because of it. Sometimes the darned square peg just needs to go into the darned square hole:)The LCP and original LC9, are a direct copy of Kel-Tec P11 design (which I think is from the Grendel design). Better QA but pretty much the same parts.

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[Tokarev]

The LCP and original LC9, are a direct copy of Kel-Tec P11 design (which I think is from the Grendel design). Better QA but pretty much the same parts.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using TapatalkDon't quote me on this but I believe the fellow who invented the LCP still owns the design. He worked for and/or licensed it to Grendel and now Ruger.

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[Balisong]

In the video shown, the gun seemed extremely jumpy. I wonder of it really is that much of a handful or if I've just been watching too much video of PFers shooting....

[RAM Engineer]

I’ve never kept up with Ruger pistols since I shot a P95 about 20 years ago. That said...I’m baffled by their current pistol line up. I THOUGHT the SR series was the top of the line, with the American Pistol, their budget, polymer one. Now it seems the SR is no more and this Security series is either above or below the American Pistol, depending on who you ask.

Ruger seems of a mind with Beretta these days with bringing out a whole new “this is our new flagship” line every 5 years or so, hoping something sticks.

[Tokarev]

I’ve never kept up with Ruger pistols since I shot a P95 about 20 years ago. That said...I’m baffled by their current pistol line up. I THOUGHT the SR series was the top of the line, with the American Pistol, their budget, polymer one. Now it seems the SR is no more and this Security series is either above or below the American Pistol, depending on who you ask.

Ruger seems of a mind with Beretta these days with bringing out a whole new “this is our new flagship” line every 5 years or so, hoping something sticks.I think Ruger had high hopes for the American. It was touted as being built to meet MHS specs even though it was not submitted.

But I think bad timing (another striker fired pistol in a sea of striker fired pistols) and a few bad initial reviews pretty much killed the gun. Add to this the fact that it is a chassis system that doesn't interchange between full and compact and you have a gun that doesn't offer anything unique. Finally, Ruger has not followed up with accessories such as threaded barrels, optics slides, caliber conversion kits or different colored grip housings. To top it all off Ruger used a brand new (and expensive) magazine when they could have just as easily used the SR mags in the gun.

Ruger isn't the only company seemingly lost in the market. FN and Beretta can't get much traction in the duty handgun market. The 509 might slowly be getting there but the ghost of the FNS haunts the line.

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[RAM Engineer]

Even their compact guns...

LCP
LCP 2nd Gen
LCP II
LC9
LC9s
EC9s
LC380

[Tokarev]

Even their compact guns...

LCP
LCP 2nd Gen
LCP II
LC9
LC9s
EC9s
LC380

I'd like to see a revamp of the LCP II into a 9mm. I don't know if the polymer would take the punishment so they might have to switch to aluminum. But basically increase the design just enough to accommodate 6+1 rounds of 9mm ammo. Think of it as Ruger's answer to the SIG 238/938 line.

[momano]

I've always thought the LCP in .22LR would be a rock star.

[Tokarev]

I've always thought the LCP in .22LR would be a rock star.That would be pretty nifty. Also maybe 32 NAA.

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[TheNewbie]

Did Ruger update the original LCP trigger?


I know there is a custom LCP and LCP 2. However, at the shop today the old school looking LCP I tried had a trigger that seemed shorter and maybe crisper than my 10 year old edition of the LCP.

[fly out]

Full-size and compact pistols now available without thumb safeties:


The Security-9® Pro and Security-9® Pro Compact are now available for customers who prefer a pistol without an external manual thumb safety. These pistols feature a trigger safety as well as the same internal safety features found on all Security-9® pistols. Security-9® Pro models also feature steel front and rear tritium night sights and ship with three, all-steel magazines.