Now surefire..

[breakingtime91]

Being reported that SureFire has donated large quantities of money to anti-2nd amendment politicians like Loretta Sanchez pushed magazine ban in the state.


If this is true, what in the fuck surefire.

[Totem Polar]

Again, being surprised that money-motovated people end up being motivated by the sweet scent of money is like being surprised by a sunset over the California coastline.

The only Q; is there enough money in the hands of their consumer base to change the direction of the management’s scent tracking.

[rcbusmc24]

The only Q; is there enough money in the hands of their consumer base to change the direction of the management’s scent tracking.[/QUOTE

No.... there is not. The number of cans and lights sold on the domestic civvie market pales in comparison to the amount sold as government purchase orders... And much of their civvie can sales will continue as long as they remain in use by the .gov...... due to the cloners...

[RevolverRob]

The only Q; is there enough money in the hands of their consumer base to change the direction of the management’s scent tracking.

I thought the Q was, who’s gonna come up with a quality shotgun forend light that doesn’t look like ass (Sorry Streamlight, that thing is uglier and less functional than a Hi-Point).

[Casual Friday]

Looks like I'll be duct taping a Maglite to my barrel now.

[JodyH]

I don't require ideological purity from companies I do business with.
Where I draw the line is when a company takes a public stance in opposition to my values or otherwise "comes out".
Do what you need to do behind closed doors, that's business.
Virtue signal and reap the whirlwind.

[Alpha Sierra]

Get woke, go broke +1

[GJM]

Being reported that SureFire has donated large quantities of money to anti-2nd amendment politicians like Loretta Sanchez pushed magazine ban in the state.


If this is true, what in the fuck surefire.

Link?

[Suvorov]

I don't require ideological purity from companies I do business with.

Ideological purity - no. But I sure as hell draw the line at political donations to the likes of Sanchez, Udall, Feinstein, and their ilk.

[JodyH]

If you want to play in the military arena you gotta pay off the right politicians.
I'll look at the dollar amount, who it went to and what committee they sit on.

Where Benchmade went full retard imo was really ramping up their donations and them donating 100% to Democrats immediately after the 2016 election when Republicans took control of everything.
You'd think you'd be buying influence with the people who are actually running things or at least hedging your bets 50/50.
By giving the opposition party 100% of your donations, that reeks of a "pink pussy hat tantrum".

[breakingtime91]

Link?

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Surefire-campaign-finance-contributions----universal-background-checks-and-full-capacity-mag-ban/5-2196377/

has linked articles/evidence.

[breakingtime91]

If you want to play in the military arena you gotta pay off the right politicians.
I'll look at the dollar amount, who it went to and what committee they sit on.

Where Benchmade went full retard imo was really ramping up their donations and them donating 100% to Democrats immediately after the 2016 election when Republicans took control of everything.
You'd think you'd be buying influence with the people who are actually running things or at least hedging your bets 50/50.
By giving the opposition party 100% of your donations, that reeks of a "pink pussy hat tantrum".

I will fully admit I am wondering if this was to grease the wheels of one politician to get a contract. Either way I am bummed but I guess I shouldn't be so naive.

[YVK]

Link?

Google Surefire political donations. The first hit is a link to ARFCOM. Dude did the search on SF using the same site that has BM data, found $10K given between 2010 and 2018 to the above mentioned CA Dem woman who signed off on every anti-gun piece of paper.

[GJM]

Did they only donate to Democrats, or did they sprinkle donations around to both parties?

[YVK]

In last years, they donated 70% to Reps. 2010 is the only year I saw a reverse percentages.

[YVK]

If you want to play in the military arena you gotta pay off the right politicians.
I'll look at the dollar amount, who it went to and what committee they sit on.

Where Benchmade went full retard imo was really ramping up their donations and them donating 100% to Democrats immediately after the 2016 election when Republicans took control of everything.
You'd think you'd be buying influence with the people who are actually running things or at least hedging your bets 50/50.
By giving the opposition party 100% of your donations, that reeks of a "pink pussy hat tantrum".

https://govtribe.com/award/federal-c...f4d0184c1f23ff (https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award?searchId=5c6f5b8222f4d0184c1f23ff)

188 govt contracts awarded to Benchmade since '99 while donating to, by and large, the same people. I feel your anger but, from where I sit, this looks like paying the sources who have been reliably providing them with, on average, 10 govt contracts per year for two decades.

[HCM]

Memes appearing - this must be serious.

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[BillSWPA]

https://govtribe.com/award/federal-c...f4d0184c1f23ff (https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award?searchId=5c6f5b8222f4d0184c1f23ff)

188 govt contracts awarded to Benchmade since '99 while donating to, by and large, the same people. I feel your anger but, from where I sit, this looks like paying the sources who have been reliably providing them with, on average, 10 govt contracts per year for two decades.

If that is in fact the case then the issue is far worse than who received the donations.



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[RevolverRob]

If that is in fact the case then the issue is far worse than who received the donations.



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That's almost assuredly the case. I don't think it's a coincidence that Benchmade is giving money to congress members who sit on critical committees (as I noted here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?35280-Benchmade-is-a-dumpster-fire-right-now&p=848244&viewfull=1#post848244)).

Do we think it's a coincidence that Benchmade made donations to Martin Heinrich, a devout anti-gun politician, who also happens to sit on the US House Armed Services Committee, specifically the Tactical Air and Land Forces sub-committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Armed_Services_Subcommittee_on _Tactical_Air_and_Land_Forces). A committee who is in charge of designating funds for the Army, the Air Force, the Army and Air National Guard, and the Army and Air Reserve?

And let's see...several of Benchmade's most recent contracts came from...DOD DLA - for "Troop Support" equipment and the Army Reserve National Guard Units of Michigan and Tennessee...

Things that make you go...hmmm....

[JAD]

That's almost assuredly the case. I don't think it's a coincidence that Benchmade is giving money to congress members who sit on critical committees (as I noted here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?35280-Benchmade-is-a-dumpster-fire-right-now&p=848244&viewfull=1#post848244)).

Do we think it's a coincidence that Benchmade made donations to Martin Heinrich, a devout anti-gun politician, who also happens to sit on the US House Armed Services Committee, specifically the Tactical Air and Land Forces sub-committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Armed_Services_Subcommittee_on _Tactical_Air_and_Land_Forces). A committee who is in charge of designating funds for the Army, the Air Force, the Army and Air National Guard, and the Army and Air Reserve?

And let's see...several of Benchmade's most recent contracts came from...DOD DLA - for "Troop Support" equipment and the Army Reserve National Guard Units of Michigan and Tennessee...

Things that make you go...hmmm....

I probably don’t disagree with your point but I may not be catching all of it. Heinrich is a NM senator, so I’d be more interested if contracts were let with an NM connection.

The Defense Logistics Agency buys everything (established PORs) on behalf all of the branches. They’re like a purchasing clearing house.

What I read you saying is “their military contracts are military.”

[BillSWPA]

That's almost assuredly the case. I don't think it's a coincidence that Benchmade is giving money to congress members who sit on critical committees (as I noted here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?35280-Benchmade-is-a-dumpster-fire-right-now&p=848244&viewfull=1#post848244)).

Do we think it's a coincidence that Benchmade made donations to Martin Heinrich, a devout anti-gun politician, who also happens to sit on the US House Armed Services Committee, specifically the Tactical Air and Land Forces sub-committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Armed_Services_Subcommittee_on _Tactical_Air_and_Land_Forces). A committee who is in charge of designating funds for the Army, the Air Force, the Army and Air National Guard, and the Army and Air Reserve?

And let's see...several of Benchmade's most recent contracts came from...DOD DLA - for "Troop Support" equipment and the Army Reserve National Guard Units of Michigan and Tennessee...

Things that make you go...hmmm....

Things that make me wonder if the current “special counsel” is investigating the right people or things.



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[HCM]

Adding this here rather than staring a new thread, L3 is EoTech’s parent company.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000022068&cycle=2018&fbclid=IwAR0brYTFJLL_nJVeCxab05M9hmbclpA5eOE4_pCtC _8WKrgXTtTBpcjCues

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[Suvorov]

Adding this here rather than staring a new thread, L3 is EoTech’s parent company.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000022068&cycle=2018&fbclid=IwAR0brYTFJLL_nJVeCxab05M9hmbclpA5eOE4_pCtC _8WKrgXTtTBpcjCues

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Absolutely no surprise here. L3 is HUGE and pretty much own the market as far as airport security machines go and they are involved in a lot of things that an old crotchety Police State loving hag like DiFi is all in support of. Not saying that forgives them but for huge defense conglomerates like L3 I have already forgotten any ideas that they support the 2A in any real and meaningful way.

The bigger issue for me and EoTech is if my rifle will loose it's zero when I take it to Moab this year?

[BillSWPA]

Adding this here rather than staring a new thread, L3 is EoTech’s parent company.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000022068&cycle=2018&fbclid=IwAR0brYTFJLL_nJVeCxab05M9hmbclpA5eOE4_pCtC _8WKrgXTtTBpcjCues

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At least this is a somewhat even split, even if there are multiple names on the list who should not be receiving funds from anyone selling to civilian gun owners.

Giving to them would definitely make me favor their competition. Or, perhaps these threads are just going to save me some $ if I am deciding whether or not I really need something.


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[mmc45414]

I don't require ideological purity from companies I do business with.
Where I draw the line is when a company takes a public stance in opposition to my values or otherwise "comes out".
Do what you need to do behind closed doors, that's business.
Virtue signal and reap the whirlwind.
Yeah, the parading bothers me also. Another example is Kroger, formerly my preferred grocery store, in part because they had a good selection of gun magazines that they have decided to quit selling. Had I just gone there one day and they had been gone, I would have been frustrated a bit but not as angry as I was when they made a big virtue signaling social media huff about it. Consequently I am no longer loyal, and am in fact disloyal, and prefer to go elsewhere. We just now came home and unloaded $188 worth of stuff we just bought at Meijer. My wife always liked it there better anyway, and I am pretty sure they have bolstered their magazine selection.

[StraitR]

I'm guessing we'll see a lot more of this in the coming weeks, as people start digging for the purpose of digging.

[Old Man Winter]

I'm guessing we'll see a lot more of this in the coming weeks, as people start digging for the purpose of digging.

I've been digging just to see for myself...


Leupold has a PAC that donated exclusively to out of state anti-gun people in 2014.
Vista Outdoor aka Federal, Speer, Savage, Blackahawk, etc. has two board members that have no business being around 2A companies after the donations they've made.
Someone connected to Daniel Defense gave Bernie a stack of cash in 2016 but Marty and his wife are good to go.
Barrett has given to a lot of Dems over the years.
Remington, Trijicon, Federal, Sig, KAC, BCM and Beretta ceo's have been solid on donations.
Emerson, Cold Steel, Strider, Buck are good to go.
Obviously Benchmade, Surefire, L3 / Eotech have been exposed.
Pete Brownell / Brownells and Larry Potterfield / Midway USA are good to go.
Cabela brothers have been solid over the years but people associated with the company gave to Hillary, Bernie, Pelosi and Pocahontas in 2016.
Magpul looks solid but Fitzpatrick gave to anti-gunner Mark Udall in 2012.

It's interesting to see what size donations people give. Some are $1 some are $10k. Lobbying numbers get interesting $$$$$.

If you want to poke around yourself here are the links.

Companies: https://www.opensecrets.org/search?q=

Individual donors: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup

[BillSWPA]

Unfortunately any company can get a person or two that has a different agenda. The real question is the agenda of the company as a whole and/or the agenda of the company owners.

Giving to Bernie Sanders in 2016 could have been done to make things more difficult for the Hildabeast during the primaries rather than to actually support Bernie.



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[Old Man Winter]

Surefire has responded.

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/02/24/surefire-founder-john-matthews-responds-to-anti-2a-allegations/

Cliffs notes: they were chasing congressional funding and didn't get it.

[GyroF-16]

Surefire has responded.

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/02/24/surefire-founder-john-matthews-responds-to-anti-2a-allegations/

Cliffs notes: they were chasing congressional funding and didn't get it.

That’s kinda what I suspected a page or two ago...

[RevolverRob]

Benchmade should take a play out of Surefire’s book.

I know why Surefire did it. They admitted it. Told it to us straight. Said, “Hey we’re trying to accomplish some goals and that means greasing palms. We’re not proud of it, we were just doing what we thought was the best approach, and frankly the one many of our competitors use too. Didn’t work, so we cut bait and walked away.”

No balking, no double talk about, owned it - moving on.

That was an eloquent and articulate enough response that I may well go buy a Surefire now.